Topic: Randall

[aintfoolin]

Exactly right on your first point there CSC . Randall aint Ennis but he was attractive enough for Jack at the time. The recognition during the " staredown" in both their eyes sold me. They were zoning on each other for a few moments. Randall has gentle eyes I like that.
I also love Ennis's quiet manner. He thinks before he jumps( though he can take this to far but he's so shy.) , in a good way. Spontaneity is not his strong suit ,but they're both sexy to me. I can stare at Jack....all day long! His charming personality melts me down.  poor Jack.  It would be hard to choose between any 3 of these guys.  Mercy!

[Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree]

Reality check!

You have heard of Heath and Jake - well ladies and gentelmen, here is David!!!!





David Harbour who played Randall. With bleached hair and without a beard, he is rather dissapointing in my opinion!

[stephan]

Reality check!

You have heard of Heath and Jake - well ladies and gentelmen, here is David!!!!
David Harbour who played Randall.

I agree, JFT : a total disappointment 

[Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree]

It is not a good photo. It is certainly not the sort of thing the studios put out.

To be honest, by the look of this rather dire snap, I think he would be great in a re-make of the Munsters, playing Herman!

[Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree]

I should not be so cruel. The fact is - he delivered the goods in BBM. Every single part in the entire film was perfectly casted and acted.

I feel our dislike is simply a reaction to the part he played - sterotyping.

[stephan]

It is not a good photo. It is certainly not the sort of thing the studios put out.
(...)

I should not be so cruel. The fact is - he delivered the goods in BBM. Every single part in the entire film was perfectly casted and acted.

I feel our dislike is simply a reaction to the part he played - sterotyping.

You aren't being cruel, JFT. I also agree that he was excellent in BBM (I wonder if the beard was there before the film, or did he grow it for the film ?). My disappointment in the picture you posted is that he is simply less hot 

[Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree]

You aren't being cruel, JFT. I also agree that he was excellent in BBM (I wonder if the beard was there before the film, or did he grow it for the film ?). My disappointment in the picture you posted is that he is simply less hot 

If it was the same as the rest of the BBM facial hair - it was a glued on job!

If he can turn on the charm and the deep voice once - he can do it at will whenever he wants! If you look at the eyes, its still there.

[stephan]

If it was the same as the rest of the BBM facial hair - it was a glued on job!
(...)

If that is the case, then it was a stroke of genius to imagine him in a beard (sigh).

[Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree]

If that is the case, then it was a stroke of genius to imagine him in a beard (sigh).

The cowboy hat helps a lot too!

The beard is very convincing. It is just not thick enough to be immitation. I think it was the real thing.

[City Slickin' Cowboy]

Reality check!


David Harbour who played Randall. With bleached hair and without a beard, he is rather dissapointing in my opinion!

Unlike Heath, you won't hear me raving about David Harbour.  However, in the beard and darker hair as Randall he looks much better.

[manhattangirl]

Hi,

Shadowy or not, did anybody ever consider that when Jack told Ennis about Randall's wife, it could have been Randall he was talking about.   After all Randall was up front with Jack about  his intentions, and Jack, well,  after all going to Mexico every so often, Randall could have been more convenient for Jack.


A really icky thought, I know, but there it is.

Manhattangirl

[City Slickin' Cowboy]

Hi,

Shadowy or not, did anybody ever consider that when Jack told Ennis about Randall's wife, it could have been Randall he was talking about.   After all Randall was up front with Jack about  his intentions, and Jack, well,  after all going to Mexico every so often, Randall could have been more convenient for Jack.


A really icky thought, I know, but there it is.

Manhattangirl

I'm sure a number of us assumed Jack was talking about Randall.  It never occurred to me that he would be involved with LaShawn.  I believe from the beginning Jack didn't think it would have been wise to be upfront about Randall.  Ennis's comments regarding mexico was proof that Ennis did not want to think of Jack with another man.  To open up about an actual relationship with Randall would have been very risky.

[BBM Fan]

You aren't being cruel, JFT. I also agree that he was excellent in BBM (I wonder if the beard was there before the film, or did he grow it for the film ?). My disappointment in the picture you posted is that he is simply less hot 

I didn't care for him with the beard - but without it - not so hot.  With the beard, his eyes stand out more & I think that's his biggest asset.

[BBM Fan]

I'm sure a number of us assumed Jack was talking about Randall.  It never occurred to me that he would be involved with LaShawn.  I believe from the beginning Jack didn't think it would have been wise to be upfront about Randall.  Ennis's comments regarding Mexico was proof that Ennis did not want to think of Jack with another man.  To open up about an actual relationship with Randall would have been very risky.

I agree - Jack didn't want LaShawn.  He couldn't tell Ennis he was seeing another man so he said the ranch foreman's wife - that way Ennis thought he was interested in women & wasn't "queer", which may have put him off limits to Ennis, due to the Earl & Rich thingy. 

[CrimsonSky]

I'm sure a number of us assumed Jack was talking about Randall.  It never occurred to me that he would be involved with LaShawn.  I believe from the beginning Jack didn't think it would have been wise to be upfront about Randall.  Ennis's comments regarding mexico was proof that Ennis did not want to think of Jack with another man.  To open up about an actual relationship with Randall would have been very risky.

I agree. I always thought he was talking about Randall, it never crossed my mind that he would have an affair with LaShawn, but that he told Ennis it was a woman he was seeing cause Ennis would have freaked out if he found out Jack was seeing another man. In a way, I wish he had told Ennis about Randall, because it would have caused a similar argument to the one they had the next morning (worse probably), but once it was out in the open they would have had time to talk about it (unlike the next morning) and maybe they could have resolved things, with Ennis finally agreeing to be with Jack properly.

Thanks for the pic of David Harbour, JFT I actually find him more attractive without the beard (although he doesn't really do anything for me either way), but that's probably because I have a deep rooted phobia about men with moustaches and beards I think that's why I was so against Randall at first, but over time I've come to feel sorry for him more than anything. I can't blame him for trying it on with Jack, and let's be honest, Jack could've said no, but he chose not to, and Randall wasn't forcing him to do anything he didn't want to do. Randall was probably very upset when Jack died, and wouldn't have been able to grieve openly for him, which would've made it even harder for him Randall's just another victim of the unfair society that prevented Jack and Ennis from being together in the first place  

[City Slickin' Cowboy]

Thank you for your comments CrimsonSky.  True indeed...Randall was another victim here.

[aintfoolin]

Jack would have nothing to gain but trouble, confessing his affair with Randall to Ennis. Why would he? He lied to keep things calm and safe. Ennis was not a patient man+it was just too painful for both of them.

Jack and LaShawn? PALLLEEESSSEEE! ........ no.

[tpe]

I guess arrogant isn't the right word, but I used it because of the way he just sat there & smiled.  He didn't know about Ennis at that time - I was just being protective of him (Ennis) and saying on Ennis' behalf - stay away from my man.  Although if Ennis had been confronted with Jack & Randall, I have doubts that he would have done anything.  Who knows - I just didn't want Jack with anyone else.  Bottomline

I think I know what you mean -- he was too forward or self-confident, perhaps.  Randall is certainly much bolder than Jack, no?  Did Jack like this?  At the very least, it was a contrast with Ennis.


I also understand your not weanting Jack to be with anybody else.  Ennis certainly felt the same way...

[tpe]

Hi,

Shadowy or not, did anybody ever consider that when Jack told Ennis about Randall's wife, it could have been Randall he was talking about.   After all Randall was up front with Jack about  his intentions, and Jack, well,  after all going to Mexico every so often, Randall could have been more convenient for Jack.


A really icky thought, I know, but there it is.

Manhattangirl

Yes, this has been discussed in a number of the older threads.  Personally, I believe this was Jack's oblique way of informing Ennis about Randall, and sometimes, I think that Ennis must have gotten it. 

[welshwitch]

A lot about Randall's appearance seems to me to have been deliberately chosen so that he has no resemblance to Ennis - if Jack were to become involved with him, at least it wouldn't be as a substitute for Ennis in physical type.

[Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree]

A lot about Randall's appearance seems to me to have been deliberately chosen so that he has no resemblance to Ennis - if Jack were to become involved with him, at least it wouldn't be as a substitute for Ennis in physical type.

That is true. They were both men and the same race and social culture (what ever that means) but the personality, ecconomic status and appearence of Randall differs greatly from Ennis.

[City Slickin' Cowboy]

A lot about Randall's appearance seems to me to have been deliberately chosen so that he has no resemblance to Ennis - if Jack were to become involved with him, at least it wouldn't be as a substitute for Ennis in physical type.

I haven't read the short story yet (yeah, yeah..just slap me! ).  Is Randall's physical apprearance discussed?

[JT]

I haven't read the short story yet (yeah, yeah..just slap me! ).  Is Randall's physical apprearance discussed?

You haven't read the SS yet??!! 
Randall is not even in the SS at all.  Just a mention by John Twist about Jack bringing up another fellow in spring.  "A ranch neighbor of his."

[City Slickin' Cowboy]

You haven't read the SS yet??!! 
Randall is not even in the SS at all.  Just a mention by John Twist about Jack bringing up another fellow in spring.  "A ranch neighbor of his."

I know, I know..I'm not a recreational reader.  Since Randall is barely mentioned in the SS I'm so glad they decided to make him into a quiet hunk.

[BBM Fan]

I think I know what you mean -- he was too forward or self-confident, perhaps.  Randall is certainly much bolder than Jack, no?  Did Jack like this?  At the very least, it was a contrast with Ennis.


I also understand your not weanting Jack to be with anybody else.  Ennis certainly felt the same way...

Randall just looked c*cky (ok, I didn't put that asterisk in there) to me.  But at least he was willing & Jack wanted that.  With Randall, Jack wouldn't have to always make the first move (I know, Ennis did make some first moves), which I imagine can be frustrating.  And yes, he was a contrast to Ennis, which was good.

To make peace with you, CSC, and others who like Randall, I'm going to try not to make negative comments about him anymore.  At least he gave Jack what he wanted, so that is something positive.     Suffice it to say, I prefer Ennis with Jack.

[JT]

I know, I know..I'm not a recreational reader.  Since Randall is barely mentioned in the SS I'm so glad they decided to make him into a quiet hunk.

It's all right, CSC.
There are several things in the movie that were not in the book.  They're just suggestions in the book really.  Cassie for example, is not in the ss either.  She's just a gooding girl that Ennis mentioned in the last meeting.  There are also a few name changes.  

[City Slickin' Cowboy]

No need for peace making BBM Fan.  We all want Ennis and Jack together. They belong together.  Randall just happened to be an unexpected, yet, interesting distraction for me.

[BBM Fan]

No need for peace making BBM Fan.  We all want Ennis and Jack together. They belong together.  Randall just happened to be an unexpected, yet, interesting distraction for me.

I knew I'd be hearin' from you, CSC.  Glad yer not throwin' that NASCAR mug at me.

It's funny, isn't it, how some people are attracted to one type of person and some are not.  I do think "Randall" was better lookin' in that beard - than without.  At least we both like J & E.  I'm happy to let you be distracted with Randall.  For me - can't get my mind of Jack.   

[JT]

Randall just looked c*cky (ok, I didn't put that asterisk in there) to me.  But at least he was willing & Jack wanted that.  With Randall, Jack wouldn't have to always make the first move (I know, Ennis did make some first moves), which I imagine can be frustrating.  And yes, he was a contrast to Ennis, which was good.

To make peace with you, CSC, and others who like Randall, I'm going to try not to make negative comments about him anymore.  At least he gave Jack what he wanted, so that is something positive.     Suffice it to say, I prefer Ennis with Jack.

I think everyone here prefers Ennis with Jack hands down.  Randall is just another victim like our boys and needs to find his own way.  I kind of felt sorry for him too.  He made mistakes also marrying the wrong person, but Jack and Ennis will always belong together.

[BBM Fan]

I think everyone here prefers Ennis with Jack hands down.  Randall is just another victim like our boys and needs to find his own way.  I kind of felt sorry for him too.  He made mistakes also marrying the wrong person, but Jack and Ennis will always belong together.

Actually, I felt sorry for him too - he was runner up to Ennis