Author Topic: Love or Loneliness? (Read 25892 times)

aimi15 · « **on:** Jul 10, 2006, 10:34 AM »

I can't remember if this has been discussed but it is a question that has been bugging me.

A while ago a member of this forum mentioned to me that the story of Ennis and Jack was more to do with loneliness than being a love story. That is, the theme of BBM isn't the love that two people find, it's the loneliness that dogs them throughout their lives.

It has opened up a whole can of worms for me, mainly about Ennis. Was he lonely before he met Jack, or was the loneliness only really a factor for him when they were apart? Did Alma satisfy his feelings of loneliness before he met Jack or was he destined to always be one of life's loners?

And when you think of Ennis what comes to mind first - the love he shared with Jack, or the man left on his own in the trailer?

Sorry for being so depressing but these are questions i can't find answers to at the moment and i would love to hear what other people think.

tpe · « **Reply #1 on:** Jul 10, 2006, 10:49 AM »

I think Ennis was lonely prior to meeting Jack -- but that loneliness is rooted on different ground. Prior to the summer of 63, Ennis's loneliness was rooted on an a hard, stoic life and the inevitable hardships that followed the untimely death of his parents. It was a lonely childhood in the sense that responsibilities were thrust upon him that precluded a more normal, carefree childhood (this is true especially after the death of his parents).

After he met Jack, it became rooted to a loneliness born out of unfulfilled love.

You combine the two, and you get very close to the brooding character that is Ennis.

aimi15 · « **Reply #2 on:** Jul 10, 2006, 10:54 AM »

Thank you tpe, that is precisely one of the things that i am trying to sort through in my mind. Was the loneliness an inherent part of Ennis' nature? He would always be lonely? I feel for him in that he had even more loneliness in his life through losing Jack, but maybe i should be slightly relieved that the loneliness was just a part of his character and nothing could have changed that, it would always have been there whether he had found Jack or not. Just throwing some ideas arounds.

tpe · « **Reply #3 on:** Jul 10, 2006, 11:27 AM »

Quote from: aimi15 on Jul 10, 2006, 10:54 AM

Thank you tpe, that is precisely one of the things that i am trying to sort through in my mind. Was the loneliness an inherent part of Ennis' nature? He would always be lonely? I feel for him in that he had even more loneliness in his life through losing Jack, but maybe i should be slightly relieved that the loneliness was just a part of his character and nothing could have changed that, it would always have been there whether he had found Jack or not. Just throwing some ideas arounds.

I think his love for Jack was a source of loneliness for Ennis, as much as it was a source of happiness. His love for Jack marginalized him. It confirmed his "difference" with the rest of society. But it was not Jack's fault. Jack was the catalyst that awakened Ennis to the promise of true love. The fact that this kind of love was not acceptable to a part of himself as well as to the society he moved in was the cause of so much of his loneliness in later life. But it was love nonetheless.

NoReins · « **Reply #4 on:** Jul 10, 2006, 12:21 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Jul 10, 2006, 11:27 AM

Quote from: aimi15 on Jul 10, 2006, 10:54 AM
Thank you tpe, that is precisely one of the things that i am trying to sort through in my mind. Was the loneliness an inherent part of Ennis' nature? He would always be lonely? I feel for him in that he had even more loneliness in his life through losing Jack, but maybe i should be slightly relieved that the loneliness was just a part of his character and nothing could have changed that, it would always have been there whether he had found Jack or not. Just throwing some ideas arounds.

I think his love for Jack was a source of loneliness for Ennis, as much as it was a source of happiness. His love for Jack marginalized him. It confirmed his "difference" with the rest of society. But it was not Jack's fault. Jack was the catalyst that awakened Ennis to the promise of true love. The fact that this kind of love was not acceptable to a part of himself as well as to the society he moved in was the cause of so much of his loneliness in later life. But it was love nonetheless.

aimi and tpe - you're breaking my heart here :\'(

I really do believe that the only time Ennis was truly happy was when he was with Jack, when he could relax and be the man that he was, with no fear of being "outed", of someone else knowing - and when he was with Junior (maybe even both girls) where he was free to display his love for her (them), because that's what fathers do. At those times, he wasn't lonely, but the rest of the time? Yeah, I reckon he was. He was clearly lonely as a child (as tpe said) and Alma didn't help that (through no fault of hers) because she wasn't who he wanted her to be - he was able to put on a mask to allow her to think things were ok, but deep down he was empty and alone, dreaming of the only person who could complete him.

With Jack gone, the only person who seemed to be able to help was Junior - and its his interaction with her at the end of the movie that gives me some hope that he wouldn't live out the rest of his life alone. He finally finds himself saying the word "love" to another person because he's finally understood what he and Jack shared was just that, and he finally seems to realise that if you love someone (whether that's in the way he loved Jack or in the way he loves his daughters) then you do whatever you can to make them happy, which he does by agreeing to go to Junior's wedding.

I'm convinced he would never even go looking for, let alone find, another Jack - I don't think he needed to, because Jack would remain alive in his heart and his dreams - but I do think that maybe, just maybe, his acceptance of his feelings for Jack would allow him to be more open to being loved by, and being part of, Junior's life.

welshwitch · « **Reply #5 on:** Jul 10, 2006, 12:39 PM »

Ennis appears to be a natural loner - even in that "working on the roads" sequence he's not interested in the guy he's working with or what he's saying, and when Alma proposes some sort of social thing he always turns her down, except on July 4th and look how that turns out.

In some ways Ennis is enacting the cliche of the strong silent stoical loner outside of society and with no way in. There are plenty of parallels in Westerns.

aimi15 · « **Reply #6 on:** Jul 10, 2006, 01:10 PM »

It makes me wonder if it was due to circumstance or down to his own character that made Ennis a loner. He gives the clues to having to depend so utterly on himself with the conversation about his brother and sister, in which he states 'no more room for me'. Makes me wonder if it was an intentional loneliness, a form of self preservation, no one able to leave him alone again as he was already alone. As he says 'you got nothing, you don't need nothing.'
Maybe that is why being with Jack those few times rocked him to the core, he didn't feel he had to be lonely when he was with Jack and it went against every defensive mechanism he had been practising for so long.

I feel so sad when i think of Ennis' loneliness, but thankfully the love they shared comes to mind far more powerfully.

Thanks for your comments.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #7 on:** Jul 10, 2006, 01:35 PM »

Ennis was lonely from an early age I believe. Being raised by a father who did't allow him to show his feelings openly. Any emotions were suppressed and berated. thought of as bein sissy.Tenderness of course was discouraged or berated also. therefore Ennis withdrew, held every thing inside , unsure how to please and be pleased, how to love or be loved ( to recieve it). He also saw death at a young age. A mental picture that remained with him . In the bar scene, when Jack says "shit, thats's hard, to him it was the first time anyone seemed to akknowledge his pain. and I beleive it's just one thing that drew Ennis to Jack early on.

aimi15 · « **Reply #8 on:** Jul 10, 2006, 01:47 PM »

Great post aintfoolin

tpe · « **Reply #9 on:** Jul 10, 2006, 01:50 PM »

Quote from: NoReins on Jul 10, 2006, 12:21 PM

I'm convinced he would never even go looking for, let alone find, another Jack - I don't think he needed to, because Jack would remain alive in his heart and his dreams - but I do think that maybe, just maybe, his acceptance of his feelings for Jack would allow him to be more open to being loved by, and being part of, Junior's life.

I am in tears here.

Ennis is dead to the world; but Jack remains alive within him forever.

smilesalot · « **Reply #10 on:** Jul 10, 2006, 04:06 PM »

I really do believe that the only time Ennis was truly happy was when he was with Jack, when he could relax and be the man that he was, with no fear of being "outed", of someone else knowing - and when he was with Junior (maybe even both girls) where he was free to display his love for her (them), because that's what fathers do. At those times, he wasn't lonely, but the rest of the time? Yeah, I reckon he was. He was clearly lonely as a child (as tpe said) and Alma didn't help that (through no fault of hers) because she wasn't who he wanted her to be - he was able to put on a mask to allow her to think things were ok, but deep down he was empty and alone, dreaming of the only person who could complete him.

With Jack gone, the only person who seemed to be able to help was Junior - and its his interaction with her at the end of the movie that gives me some hope that he wouldn't live out the rest of his life alone. He finally finds himself saying the word "love" to another person because he's finally understood what he and Jack shared was just that, and he finally seems to realise that if you love someone (whether that's in the way he loved Jack or in the way he loves his daughters) then you do whatever you can to make them happy, which he does by agreeing to go to Junior's wedding.

I'm convinced he would never even go looking for, let alone find, another Jack - I don't think he needed to, because Jack would remain alive in his heart and his dreams - but I do think that maybe, just maybe, his acceptance of his feelings for Jack would allow him to be more open to being loved by, and being part of, Junior's life.

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Wow you totally mirrored my view on this. No need even to post anything except to say thanks....it's always so amazing when someone else can put words to what's in your heart.

CrimsonSky · « **Reply #11 on:** Jul 10, 2006, 04:36 PM »

Quote from: aimi15 on Jul 10, 2006, 01:10 PM

It makes me wonder if it was due to circumstance or down to his own character that made Ennis a loner. He gives the clues to having to depend so utterly on himself with the conversation about his brother and sister, in which he states 'no more room for me'. Makes me wonder if it was an intentional loneliness, a form of self preservation, no one able to leave him alone again as he was already alone. As he says 'you got nothing, you don't need nothing.'
Maybe that is why being with Jack those few times rocked him to the core, he didn't feel he had to be lonely when he was with Jack and it went against every defensive mechanism he had been practising for so long.

Your self-preservation theory makes a lot of sense, aimi,after losing his parents, then his sister, and his brother,he would've thought that it was easier not to get close to people, that way there's no chance of being hurt by them

Of course, Jack comes along and makes all the loneliness disappear, but Ennis ends up losing him too after the summer,and that loneliness is probably even more painful, cause he now knows what it's like not to be lonely. No wonder he was so overcome when he saw Jack again after four years!

The scene from the movie that immediately sprang to my mind reading this thread, is when Alma is trying to convince him to move to town, and she (somewhat manipulatively, some might say), reminds him of his childhood "you don't want it to be so lonely, do you?" Ennis immediately thinks of Jack, cause the only time he wasn't lonely was with Jack, and when he says "it ain't so lonely now", it's not Alma he's trying to convince, it's himself,and he fails miserably, it's obvious he's thinking about Jack when he's having sex with Alma

As for the question about what springs to mind when I think of Ennis, it's the scene where he's holding the shirts after finding them in Jack's closet :\'( I'm getting teary eyed just thinking about it, the way he tries to summon up Jack's essence from his shirt, knowing it's all he has left of him, and that he'll never again be able to escape the loneliness now Jack's gone :\'(

smilesalot · « **Reply #12 on:** Jul 10, 2006, 05:29 PM »

The self-preservation theory is interesting, I have posted this idea on another site. Do you think, maybe subconsiously, Ennis was trying to sabotage the relationship with Jack, by choosing the most inopportune time to discuss Not August, but November. It seems to me that Ennis chooses language in the last fight scene that he knows will push Jack's buttons, "boys like you", "You made me like this..". Just the night before Jack says, " I miss you so much I can hardly stand it" to which Ennis cannot even provide a response, physically or verbally. Maybe Ennis made a decision that night that he was going to do everything he can do drive Jack away, hence the "I can't take this anymore, Jack" comment. Maybe Ennis was trying to drive Jack away so then Ennis would not have to make the decision to end anything, but to make Jack walk away. Maybe Ennis, so used to being abandoned and alone, tries to drive Jack away as a response to the "I miss you so much" comment from Jack. In his brokenness, Ennis only loving response to Jack's expression of loneliness is to give Jack a reason to leave him -- thereby letting Jack move on and get over Ennis. And in doing so, Ennis continues to rely on instincts ingrained in him from childhood .."Oh well, everyone leaves me...I don't need them...I've dealt with this before so I know how to work through this."

stacp · « **Reply #13 on:** Jul 10, 2006, 08:19 PM »

Quote from: smilesalot on Jul 10, 2006, 05:29 PM

The self-preservation theory is interesting, I have posted this idea on another site. Do you think, maybe subconsiously, Ennis was trying to sabotage the relationship with Jack, by choosing the most inopportune time to discuss Not August, but November. It seems to me that Ennis chooses language in the last fight scene that he knows will push Jack's buttons, "boys like you", "You made me like this..". Just the night before Jack says, " I miss you so much I can hardly stand it" to which Ennis cannot even provide a response, physically or verbally. Maybe Ennis made a decision that night that he was going to do everything he can do drive Jack away, hence the "I can't take this anymore, Jack" comment. Maybe Ennis was trying to drive Jack away so then Ennis would not have to make the decision to end anything, but to make Jack walk away. Maybe Ennis, so used to being abandoned and alone, tries to drive Jack away as a response to the "I miss you so much" comment from Jack. In his brokenness, Ennis only loving response to Jack's expression of loneliness is to give Jack a reason to leave him -- thereby letting Jack move on and get over Ennis. And in doing so, Ennis continues to rely on instincts ingrained in him from childhood .."Oh well, everyone leaves me...I don't need them...I've dealt with this before so I know how to work through this."

I really don't think Ennis was trying to sabotage the relationship. I think he waited to tell Jack about not meeting in August because he was nervous; just look at the way he bites his nails and rubs the car handle when he tells Jack about it. I think he didn't want to spoil the whole week with Jack by telling him earlier. He knew it would upset Jack. Ennis then tries to lighten the mood by telling a joke (coffee pot line) and telling Jack what a good time they'll have in November (hunting, Don Wroe's cabin). If Ennis was trying to sabotage the relationship, I don't think he would have made comments like this. Ennis' "boys like you" comment seems to come only after Jack mentions their relationship in the past tense ("I did once."). I think Ennis gets a little scared by this, so his back goes up. I also think he's incredibly jealous of the thought of Jack being with other men in Mexico and gets all macho and pissy with Jack. Finally, I took Ennis "I can't stand this any more, Jack" as Ennis' declaration that he couldn't stand it, so he might have to fix it. Hence, he goes back and breaks up with Cassie. Just my take on it, though.

LuvJackNasty · « **Reply #14 on:** Jul 10, 2006, 08:45 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Jul 10, 2006, 01:50 PM

Quote from: NoReins on Jul 10, 2006, 12:21 PM
I'm convinced he would never even go looking for, let alone find, another Jack - I don't think he needed to, because Jack would remain alive in his heart and his dreams - but I do think that maybe, just maybe, his acceptance of his feelings for Jack would allow him to be more open to being loved by, and being part of, Junior's life.

I am in tears here.

Ennis is dead to the world; but Jack remains alive within him forever.

Me too! :\'(

Beautiful posts everyone.

FlwrChild · « **Reply #15 on:** Jul 10, 2006, 10:02 PM »

Can't say much more than yep. You've moved me to tears. :\'( You all really see into our boys' hearts. Thanks for the posts.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #16 on:** Jul 11, 2006, 03:22 AM »

I agree with Stacp here Ennis seemed kinda nervous about telling Jack about Nov., looking down when Jack eye'd him, biting his nails etc... He knew Jack was already down already about another "parting" and did'nt want upset him further.

welshwitch · « **Reply #17 on:** Jul 11, 2006, 06:03 AM »

But that "Go ahead" comment is confrontational. I can see him thinking, "OK, let's get this over with," and hoping that as he hasn't the strength to end it, Jack will abandon him. After all it's Ennis who sends the next postcard, so he hasn't given up on Jack, because IMO he can't. And if he's lived Jack IMO would have responded - they're closely entangled to break apart, and in the end love lasts regardless of physical proximity.

tpe · « **Reply #18 on:** Jul 11, 2006, 07:03 AM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Jul 11, 2006, 06:03 AM

But that "Go ahead" comment is confrontational. I can see him thinking, "OK, let's get this over with," and hoping that as he hasn't the strength to end it, Jack will abandon him. After all it's Ennis who sends the next postcard, so he hasn't given up on Jack, because IMO he can't. And if he's lived Jack IMO would have responded - they're closely entangled to break apart, and in the end love lasts regardless of physical proximity.

This is an interesting point of view, perhaps suitable for having its own thread. At that point you mentioned in the confrontation, was Ennis pushing Jack to abandon him?

welshwitch · « **Reply #19 on:** Jul 11, 2006, 11:03 AM »

I see Ennis as thinking, just for a moment, that at least without Jack, in other words if he chose loneliness, he'd know where he was and not have to put up with all the emotional gut-wrenching that seeing Jack imposed.

smilesalot · « **Reply #20 on:** Jul 11, 2006, 02:27 PM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Jul 11, 2006, 11:03 AM

I see Ennis as thinking, just for a moment, that at least without Jack, in other words if he chose loneliness, he'd know where he was and not have to put up with all the emotional gut-wrenching that seeing Jack imposed.

Yes, I totally agree with this. Getting personal here, but I had a difficult childhood - feelings of abandonment etc. - and recognized in therapy that I do have a tendency to drive people away so that I could keep my walls up. Although I feel lonely and miserable -- at least this is something I KNOW -- and I don't have to conquer my fears. I see Ennis as being like this to a great degree, his guard is always up, holding his secrets deep within him, afraid to let anyone get too close. So during the fight, I see echoes of fights that I have had with my spouse/boyfriends...where I cross into territory I know will aggravate the other person, so as to drive them away. This is why Ennis is so quick to say " So...Why don't you then?" when Jack says he wishes he could quit him. As excruciatingly painful as it would be to lose Jack, as least Ennis can MOVE ON and stop this feeling of going no where, being nothing, losing his identity. And also, in his mind Ennis thinks ..."Well, he's better off without me because I make him so miserable. I love him so much, I can't stand seeing him this way. " This is echoed in his reaction to Cassie, when she confronts him in the diner. "I guess I never was any fun." Maybe I am putting too much of my own life, in this interpretation, please forgive me.

tpe · « **Reply #21 on:** Jul 11, 2006, 03:04 PM »

Quote from: smilesalot on Jul 11, 2006, 02:27 PM

Quote from: welshwitch on Jul 11, 2006, 11:03 AM
I see Ennis as thinking, just for a moment, that at least without Jack, in other words if he chose loneliness, he'd know where he was and not have to put up with all the emotional gut-wrenching that seeing Jack imposed.

Yes, I totally agree with this. Getting personal here, but I had a difficult childhood - feelings of abandonment etc. - and recognized in therapy that I do have a tendency to drive people away so that I could keep my walls up. Although I feel lonely and miserable -- at least this is something I KNOW -- and I don't have to conquer my fears. I see Ennis as being like this to a great degree, his guard is always up, holding his secrets deep within him, afraid to let anyone get too close. So during the fight, I see echoes of fights that I have had with my spouse/boyfriends...where I cross into territory I know will aggravate the other person, so as to drive them away. This is why Ennis is so quick to say " So...Why don't you then?" when Jack says he wishes he could quit him. As excruciatingly painful as it would be to lose Jack, as least Ennis can MOVE ON and stop this feeling of going no where, being nothing, losing his identity. And also, in his mind Ennis thinks ..."Well, he's better off without me because I make him so miserable. I love him so much, I can't stand seeing him this way. " This is echoed in his reaction to Cassie, when she confronts him in the diner. "I guess I never was any fun." Maybe I am putting too much of my own life, in this interpretation, please forgive me.

smilesalot, thank you for sharing this personal matter with us. You would probably understand this aspect of Ennis's character. The defensive reaction is also born out of fear of getting hurt, correct? In a way, Ennis's desire to get over "it" was doomed to failure -- an he knew it. Either way, the hurt confronts him -- no matter what he did. Perhaps he wanted then to go beyond his problematic love of Jack, but he must have known that he could not live without that love.

lamusica · « **Reply #22 on:** Jul 11, 2006, 03:20 PM »

CrimsonSky, I, too, am interested in Alma's comment about Ennis not wanting the girls to grow up so lonely like he was when he was a kid. I think this line shows us that Ennis did open up to Alma in some ways. He obviously opened up to her when talking about his lonely childhood. Perhaps he DID make an effort to get to know Alma on a deeper level and TRIED to love her, thinking he and she were going to be together all their lives.
As far as Ennis and Jack: Does it really make any difference what brings two people together? Maybe it was loneliness on both their parts, but that's immaterial. The fact is, SOMETHING brought them together. There was something to which they both could relate that made them attractive to each other. Maybe it was mutual loneliness, maybe it was physical attraction, maybe it was being alone together on the mountain. We will never know, but it just doesn't matter in the long run. They DID fall in love, no matter what spurred that love.
I think they both were very lonesome boys. Ennis, with deceased parents and a brother and sister who could no longer make room for him, and Jack, coming from such a sterile environment with such an A-hole for a father. (Even a kind mother couldn't make up totally for such a father-figure!) Also, neither man talks about having any friends at all. You never saw Ennis having a drink with a buddy down at the bar, and you never saw anyone paying any attention to Jack, except for Lureen. Lonely they were, IMHP, just waiting for someone to love.

FlwrChild · « **Reply #23 on:** Jul 11, 2006, 03:24 PM »

lamusica, you make me cry for them all over again. Everyone has shown great insights. Thanks for letting me tag along on the journey!

aintfoolin · « **Reply #24 on:** Jul 11, 2006, 04:01 PM »

I felt the "why don't ya just let me be" was Ennis kind of calling Jack's bluff a little bit here taking into account the confession Jack had just made about Mexico. He was real mad .He was also sick of dealing with the whole damn thing .But also scared of loosing Jack forever. It all came down on him at once. I can't say that Ennis would purposely sabotage the relationship.

FlwrChild · « **Reply #25 on:** Jul 11, 2006, 04:09 PM »

I agree. It was obviously eating him alive, but he was also desperately holding on to it. The pleading to use Don Wroe's cabin again, sending the postcard for November even after the confrontation. Ennis was not going to walk away from this relationship even if he wanted to; he couldn't.

smilesalot · « **Reply #26 on:** Jul 11, 2006, 04:37 PM »

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smilesalot, thank you for sharing this personal matter with us. You would probably understand this aspect of Ennis's character. The defensive reaction is also born out of fear of getting hurt, correct? In a way, Ennis's desire to get over "it" was doomed to failure -- an he knew it. Either way, the hurt confronts him -- no matter what he did. Perhaps he wanted then to go beyond his problematic love of Jack, but he must have known that he could not live without that love.

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Definitely, as I see it, fear of getting hurt. I regret now using the word "sabotage" earlier, because it assumes an air of manipulation which is not at all fair to Ennis. I think Ennis just believes himself to be unloveable, and cannot comprehend how anyone can love him as deeply as Jack does. Ennis has nothing in his experience that he can compare Jack's love to...never having experienced steadfast love from his family. Which is why I think, Ennis chooses loneliness instead of love while Jack was alive -- because the thought of love is so painfully foreign -- "What if I commit myself to him and take the chance and HE leaves me too?" However, when Ennis sees the shirts he realizes the depth of Jack's love for him, and IMO Ennis finally chooses love and honours it. I am not sure if even Ennis really admitted to himself how much he needed Jack until the end. Maybe he felt he could survive without Jack if Jack was to walk away - especially if Ennis thought this was for JACK'S own good. Ennis was just going to fall back on the "gotta stand it" stoicism that shaped his life.

tpe · « **Reply #27 on:** Jul 11, 2006, 05:04 PM »

Quote from: smilesalot on Jul 11, 2006, 04:37 PM

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smilesalot, thank you for sharing this personal matter with us. You would probably understand this aspect of Ennis's character. The defensive reaction is also born out of fear of getting hurt, correct? In a way, Ennis's desire to get over "it" was doomed to failure -- an he knew it. Either way, the hurt confronts him -- no matter what he did. Perhaps he wanted then to go beyond his problematic love of Jack, but he must have known that he could not live without that love.
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Definitely, as I see it, fear of getting hurt. I regret now using the word "sabotage" earlier, because it assumes an air of manipulation which is not at all fair to Ennis. I think Ennis just believes himself to be unloveable, and cannot comprehend how anyone can love him as deeply as Jack does. Ennis has nothing in his experience that he can compare Jack's love to...never having experienced steadfast love from his family. Which is why I think, Ennis chooses loneliness instead of love while Jack was alive -- because the thought of love is so painfully foreign -- "What if I commit myself to him and take the chance and HE leaves me too?" However, when Ennis sees the shirts he realizes the depth of Jack's love for him, and IMO Ennis finally chooses love and honours it. I am not sure if even Ennis really admitted to himself how much he needed Jack until the end. Maybe he felt he could survive without Jack if Jack was to walk away - especially if Ennis thought this was for JACK'S own good. Ennis was just going to fall back on the "gotta stand it" stoicism that shaped his life.

This is beautiful.

Whether one agrees or disagrees with it, this is beautiful.

smilesalot · « **Reply #28 on:** Jul 11, 2006, 06:46 PM »

That's the beauty of this love story. Regardless, of how you interpret it...it just brings you outside yourself. No wonder it changed my life.

tpe · « **Reply #29 on:** Jul 12, 2006, 08:02 AM »

Quote from: smilesalot on Jul 11, 2006, 06:46 PM

That's the beauty of this love story. Regardless, of how you interpret it...it just brings you outside yourself. No wonder it changed my life.

I have thought many a time of the connection between love, joy, and loneliness. In the context of BBM, the story allows us to go outside ourselves if only to delve deeper within our own hearts.