Topic: Rodeo Clown Scene - possible spoilers

[*Froggy*]

Rodeo clown approach was in some ways a depiction of Jack's gay tendency, for what you haven't seen yet, is that when Jack leaves the bar, the Rodeo cowboys and the guy's at the pool table are making their way out and when Jack tries to go to his truck they block his way and make fun of Him. the scene was edited for the released version. They are 40 minutes missing from the original cut

Where did you get this from? Is there something you have not told us???

[monicita]

That does sound really interesting. Sometimes I find it difficult though, to incorporate all the "might have beens". Maybe we can think of it as parallel versions: The book, the screenplay, the deleted scenes. And let the movie itself stand as the beautiful work of art it is. I would even say: Maybe Ang Lee (who, remember, said in the Charlie Rose Interview that his favourite place was the editing room, and the most important for the final product) wanted the scene to be more ambigous and therefore cut out the cowboys in the parking lot. Maybe he wanted us to experience Jacks uncertainty about the situation. Wanted us to envision what it must be like to always have to be careful, unclear, in fear and doubt. I think the final version depicted just that, and brilliantly!

monicita

[tweric]

Yes. AND, I'd rather not see that edited-off scene. It's quite painful to watch.

(No, it's not in the "from book to screenplay" book)

[frenchcda]

Rodeo clown approach was in some ways a depiction of Jack's gay tendency, for what you haven't seen yet, is that when Jack leaves the bar, the Rodeo cowboys and the guy's at the pool table are making their way out and when Jack tries to go to his truck they block his way and make fun of Him. the scene was edited for the released version. They are 40 minutes missing from the original cut

Where did you get this from? Is there something you have not told us???

search here: http://www.davecullen.com/brokebackmountain/
it was trough that site that I got my info anf it redirected me to other site where the info was blogged in!

[sweet_man_1]

hi everyone

i dont remember the guys back at the pool table looking back at jack when the rodeo clown joined them after rebuffing jack... and i specifically remember looking for that to happen... i only saw the movie once, so i may have missed it, but i like the fact that the scene was ambiguous... "who, besides jack was gay? and who may have even known jacks intentions?"

[Patriot1]

i dont remember the guys back at the pool table looking back at jack when the rodeo clown joined them after rebuffing jack... and i specifically remember looking for that to happen... i only saw the movie once, so i may have missed it, but i like the fact that the scene was ambiguous... "who, besides jack was gay? and who may have even known jacks intentions?"

When the clown walked away from Jack and walked over to the pool table he made a gesture with his thumb pointing toward Jack.  The four people around the pool table (3 men and a woman) gathered around the clown to hear what he was saying giving me the impression he was talking softly.  I don't think he was saying, 'For a good time go and see that guy at the bar.'  However, none of the four people at the pool table looked in Jack's direction.

What amazed me was how openly Jack cruised him and how he stared at the clown as he walked away and over to the pool table.  Anyone watching him would have picked up on that in a second.  And the bartender did.

[sweet_man_1]

i've seen people stare at each other after a confrontation...

anyway, you confirm my recollection that NONE of the guys at the pool table turned to look at jack... clearly, though, we were all expecting the rodeo clown to talk about jack to them, but i think it was brilliant that ang lee did not have any of them look over to jack so as to keep the whole "what did he say to the pool players" question ambiguous

thanks for your reply

[Patriot1]

i've seen people stare at each other after a confrontation...

So have I but this wasn't an angry stare...this was a "check out them bunz!!!" stare. 

[sam]

Yes, I thought that Jack was trying to pick-up the rodeo clown Jimbo.

I did see Jimbo walk back to the fella's in the back, and it did look like he made a gesture with his thumb back in Jack's direction (not really a clear shot)...but I didn't see that group of men actually looking back/staring at Jack.  They just gathered around Jimbo and seemed to be interested in what he was saying.

A rebuke like this one probably takes place a million times in bars.  The bartender probably has seen it happen a million times already.  In my opinion, his remark to Jack about calf ropin' was not meant so much as a smartass, smartalecky remark, but more as a way to 'soften' Jimbo's refusal of Jacks approach, sort of a way to quickly "change the subject" to something more neutral...("Let's start talkin' bout rodeo again...")

Jack's sharp answer in that biting tone to the calf ropin' question from the bartender, seemed to me at least, a direct result of his embarassment of having being witnessed (by said bartender) trying to pick-up Jimbo, and then having been flatly refused...

I don't think he was expecting that...he seemed quite 'startled' by Jimbo's rebuke.

hehe...and yes, MY gaydar went a ringin' too, whenever Jimbo was in shot... (I liked him...thought he was mighty nice lookin'! )

I found it quite strange too, that the bar was mainly filled with only men...a man's domain? No women allowed?

[Patriot1]

I found it quite strange too, that the bar was mainly filled with only men...a man's domain? No women allowed?

  Believe it or not, not too many years ago in the State of Connecticut there were "Men's Bars". No women were allowed.  There were signs on the outside that plainly said "MEN'S BAR".

When the law was changed and women were allowed go go into the bar, they were not permitted to get any closer than 3 feet from the bar.  In this case I mean the actual bar where you sit.

It has been a long time since I have been in Connecticut so I am not sure if the laws have changed or not.  It has become such a liberal State I would guess those laws no longer exist.


Now, having said all that, one of the people playing pool was a woman.

[sam]

I found it quite strange too, that the bar was mainly filled with only men...a man's domain? No women allowed?

  Believe it or not, not too many years ago in the State of Connecticut there were "Men's Bars". No women were allowed.  There were signs on the outside that plainly said "MEN'S BAR".

When the law was changed and women were allowed go go into the bar, they were not permitted to get any closer than 3 feet from the bar.  In this case I mean the actual bar where you sit.

It has been a long time since I have been in Connecticut so I am not sure if the laws have changed or not.  It has become such a liberal State I would guess those laws no longer exist.


Now, having said all that, one of the people playing pool was a woman.

I never saw one of "those" bars when I was in Connecticut...but hmmm...then again...it might have been coz I was not "out" yet...hehe...

Moving now completely off topic: I also once heard that there was a "Man's" bar where a urinal was built right  into the bar itself...along the customer side of the bar...that way, one could just keep on drinking without ever having to make a pitstop to the restroom...

Kinda like: Jest keep on chuggin' and jest whip 'it out and let it go at the bar cowboy!! 

I forget. I think that bar was in Texas somewheres.  I saw a picture of the actual bar with urinal!  I think that it's now a museum piece...

Sorry, I hope that I haven't offended anyone by bringing this up...

[Patriot1]

Believe it or not, not too many years ago in the State of Connecticut there were "Men's Bars". No women were allowed.  There were signs on the outside that plainly said "MEN'S BAR".

I never saw one of "those" bars when I was in Connecticut...but hmmm...then again...it might have been coz I was not "out" yet...hehe...

It wasn't a gay bar Sam.  Women were just not allowed in bars.  They could go into taverns and cocktail lounges but not bars. Best I can remember it was back in the late 60's the law changed to allow women into a bar.

I also once heard that there was a "Man's" bar where a urinal was built right into the bar itself...along the customer side of the bar... 

You know, I think I heard about that bar...or one like it.  Doesn't seem to be the kind of bar I would frequent; especially seeing I don't drink.  I think people would wonder why I came there when all I drink is Diet Pepsi.  To check out the scenery?!

[CherryCake]

I always laugh when I see Jack try to pick up the rodeo clown in that bar....
Now, if the clown was gay, there is no reason he would not have tried to hook up with gorgeous studly, bull-riding masculine Jack..  But for the clown to rudely refuse a beer like that is hilarious. Earlier the clown was all dolled up in his hideous garish make-up, rainbow suspenders, bright red stockings, glad rags over a demin skirt and suddenly HE'S too good to accept a beer from Jack who is being friendly?  Jack is NOT an screaming queen making a lurid pass, hello.
I didn't buy the clown's reaction at all. 

[bram]

I always laugh when I see Jack try to pick up the rodeo clown in that bar....
Now, if the clown was gay, there is no reason he would not have tried to hook up with gorgeous studly, bull-riding masculine Jack..  But for the clown to rudely refuse a beer like that is hilarious. Earlier the clown was all dolled up in his hideous garish make-up, rainbow suspenders, bright red stockings, glad rags over a demin skirt and suddenly HE'S too good to accept a beer from Jack who is being friendly?  Jack is NOT an screaming queen making a lurid pass, hello.
I didn't buy the clown's reaction at all. 

I didn't buy it either. I mean come on, who turns down free beer? Even if I was completely straight I would have taken the beer and just walked away from him.

[tpe]

I always laugh when I see Jack try to pick up the rodeo clown in that bar....
Now, if the clown was gay, there is no reason he would not have tried to hook up with gorgeous studly, bull-riding masculine Jack..  But for the clown to rudely refuse a beer like that is hilarious. Earlier the clown was all dolled up in his hideous garish make-up, rainbow suspenders, bright red stockings, glad rags over a demin skirt and suddenly HE'S too good to accept a beer from Jack who is being friendly?  Jack is NOT an screaming queen making a lurid pass, hello.
I didn't buy the clown's reaction at all. 

I didn't buy it either. I mean come on, who turns down free beer? Even if I was completely straight I would have taken the beer and just walked away from him.

I think the clown did seem to initially want to accept the offer.  But the screenplay notes that there was a certain frisson in Jack's look that made him uncomforatable.  It was then that he decided to decline the offer of a free beer.

[bram]

I always laugh when I see Jack try to pick up the rodeo clown in that bar....
Now, if the clown was gay, there is no reason he would not have tried to hook up with gorgeous studly, bull-riding masculine Jack..  But for the clown to rudely refuse a beer like that is hilarious. Earlier the clown was all dolled up in his hideous garish make-up, rainbow suspenders, bright red stockings, glad rags over a demin skirt and suddenly HE'S too good to accept a beer from Jack who is being friendly?  Jack is NOT an screaming queen making a lurid pass, hello.
I didn't buy the clown's reaction at all. 

I didn't buy it either. I mean come on, who turns down free beer? Even if I was completely straight I would have taken the beer and just walked away from him.

I think the clown did seem to initially want to accept the offer.  But the screenplay notes that there was a certain frisson in Jack's look that made him uncomforatable.  It was then that he decided to decline the offer of a free beer.

Okay, he made him feel uncomfortable. I've been in that situation... I still took the beer, though. Maybe the rodeo clown had more money than I do.

[tpe]

Okay, he made him feel uncomfortable. I've been in that situation... I still took the beer, though. Maybe the rodeo clown had more money than I do.

bram, your objections are certainly valid/understandable.  I guess it depends on just how good the beer was. 

[bram]

Okay, he made him feel uncomfortable. I've been in that situation... I still took the beer, though. Maybe the rodeo clown had more money than I do.

bram, your objections are certainly valid/understandable.  I guess it depends on just how good the beer was. 

I think he just didn't like beer as much as I do. I once shared three pitchers and a two step with a creepy guy who kept trying to grope me. He paid for the beer, so it was all good. He was pretty pissed when I went straight home without doing anything else with him, though.

[tpe]

Okay, he made him feel uncomfortable. I've been in that situation... I still took the beer, though. Maybe the rodeo clown had more money than I do.

bram, your objections are certainly valid/understandable.  I guess it depends on just how good the beer was. 

I think he just didn't like beer as much as I do. I once shared three pitchers and a two step with a creepy guy who kept trying to grope me. He paid for the beer, so it was all good. He was pretty pissed when I went straight home without doing anything else with him, though.

bram, the rodeo clown should have learned a thing or two from you.   

Well, he should have known better!  But at least he payed for reasonably good beer.  I would expect he was a man of some taste -- creepy or not!

Thanks. 

[Patriot1]

Is it possible the rodeo clown wasn't a gold digger?

[tpe]

Is it possible the rodeo clown wasn't a gold digger?

Hi Patriot1.  Interesting question.  I really don't know.   He probably was not. 

[coguaro]

I think that rodeo clown was embarassed more becuase of Jack look, expecially the second time he looked him, which speaks more and more then any world....

[My Man Jack]

I was sort of looking forward to the clown part of the movie because of what the screenplay says about him: "The RODEO CLOWN, a young man with something of the college athlete about him,. . ."

My mind had already pictured a young handsome man with a nice build, but . . . we got Jimbo instead.   

[bram]

bram, the rodeo clown should have learned a thing or two from you.   

Well, he should have known better!  But at least he payed for reasonably good beer.  I would expect he was a man of some taste -- creepy or not!

Thanks. 

I'm really not a gold digger. I didn't realize that story made me sound like one until after patiot brought it my attention. When I first started taking the beer, I didn't know what he wanted. My friend had met him the night before and we thought he was into her. I played along after he started hitting on me, because my friend liked him and wanted to stay. I should have told him that I was uninterested.

[tpe]

bram, the rodeo clown should have learned a thing or two from you.   

Well, he should have known better!  But at least he payed for reasonably good beer.  I would expect he was a man of some taste -- creepy or not!

Thanks. 

I'm really not a gold digger. I didn't realize that story made me sound like one until after patiot brought it my attention. When I first started taking the beer, I didn't know what he wanted. My friend had met him the night before and we thought he was into her. I played along after he started hitting on me, because my friend liked him and wanted to stay. I should have told him that I was uninterested.

bram, situations at a bar can be so ambiguous and signs and representations are easily misinterpreted or given more meaning than is intended. 

For a person like myself who no longer frequents bars, it is sometimes easy for me to forget this. 

 

[bram]

bram, the rodeo clown should have learned a thing or two from you.   

Well, he should have known better!  But at least he payed for reasonably good beer.  I would expect he was a man of some taste -- creepy or not!

Thanks. 

I'm really not a gold digger. I didn't realize that story made me sound like one until after patiot brought it my attention. When I first started taking the beer, I didn't know what he wanted. My friend had met him the night before and we thought he was into her. I played along after he started hitting on me, because my friend liked him and wanted to stay. I should have told him that I was uninterested.

bram, situations at a bar can be so ambiguous and signs and representations are easily misinterpreted or given more meaning than is intended. 

For a person like myself who no longer frequents bars, it is sometimes easy for me to forget this. 

 

I just don't want you guys to think I'm a bad person. I like talking on here with you, and I really do care about your opinion.

[tpe]

bram, I certainly understand.  Peace.