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Why Jack Quit Ennis
« on: Jul 28, 2006, 08:01 PM »
NOTE:  I see that there is a thread similar to this. I am starting this new one because I think the essay is well written. This post was written by a friend of mine on another board and it generated great discussions. I am dedicating this to “ruthlessly” (in hopes that this finds you).

As for me … I do not agree with this essay in its entirety. It certainly, however, provokes thought! ENJOY!


[color=Red]A very important part of this post is the definition of “quit.”  This has caused more confusion, disagreement, and argument than could ever have been imagined.  Therefore, please take note that here,  “quit” means “allow to go” or “set free” – it DOES NOT mean “stop loving” or “forget about.”  [/color]


Why Jack Quit Ennis



Many people seem to believe that Jack did not “quit” Ennis when, in fact, quitting Ennis was the only thing that Jack could do. Here’s why:

During the last campfire scene, Jack came as close as either of them ever did to saying “I love you” when he said “Tell you what. The truth is… sometimes I miss you so much, I can hardly stand it.” No verbal response from Ennis. Jack twice offered Ennis the chance to live together. Ennis turned him down. Jack saved their two shirts from the mountain. Jack initiated the reunion. Jack was the first to initiate tenderness between the two of them. Jack longingly asked Ennis whether he’d be back to the mountain the next year. Jack drove 14 hours 2-3 times a year to see Ennis.

Jack loved Ennis AND Jack realized it AND Jack accepted it AND Jack moved on it. Ennis certainly loved Jack, but he did not recognize it as “love,” he certainly did not accept it, and he, in fact, moved from it.

When they had their final fight, Ennis broke down and blamed Jack for being the way he was – not gay; rather, alone and drifting. Ennis was utterly confused, angry and tormented by his and their situations even though he kept it going and, deep down, wanted it to continue – so much so that he broke down, crying, and angrily swearing and attacking Jack. This is one piece of the pair of bookends that truly show us Ennis’ torment. The other bookend is his breakdown after Jack drove away after their initial time on the mountain ended. He was retching and this turned into anger. Partly he was kicking himself for letting Jack go, but he was also kicking himself for not being able to understand what had just happened on the mountain. He wasn’t thinking about this on the mountain, in the situation; rather, it all hit him after the initial summer ended abruptly and early and he found himself walking back into his stilted and fearful life with a marriage and wife just around the bend. That had been his plan before the mountain and he was terribly confused and angry as to how his plan could have taken such a twist. And yet all the time, underneath all of himself, he loved and craved Jack. But it was not in Ennis’ character to allow deep-down feelings to rise to the surface and for him to admit them.

In the final fight, when Jack said “I wish I knew how to quit you,” Ennis responded “Then why don’t you? Why don’t you just let me be, huh?” Then Ennis broke down and blamed Jack and, in his truest moment of self-realization and openness, told Jack that “I’m nothing’. I’m nowhere.”

Now comes the moment of greatest revelation in the film. And it’s not Ennis’ realization. It’s Jack’s. Jack suddenly sees Ennis in a different light. He doesn’t see Ennis any longer as a guy who’s all too happy to get it a couple of times a year as long as he can keep his life going. Now he sees the true Ennis – a guy who’s doing this because something’s got hold of him… he can’t help himself… and he’s tormented by this dilemma in himself. Jack realizes that Ennis has never come to terms with his love or with their relationship or with himself, for that matter.

And it is here that Jack displays the greatest love shown in the movie. He quits Ennis. He does not quit Ennis for Jack’s sake, for Jack to be able to get it on with another man in a more open or convenient relationship. Jack quits Ennis for Ennis’ sake. Jack realizes that if Jack truly loves Ennis with all of his heart, then Jack must let Ennis be. Jack must be removed from the picture of Ennis’ life so that Ennis will no longer be tormented by something that he is simply not equipped to deal with – this is Ennis’ character. I’m sure that Jack knows that if Jack quits Ennis it will cause Ennis a lot of pain. But Jack also knows that the “quit” pain will ultimately be less disastrous to the man he loves (Ennis) than the “continue” pain is causing him. Ennis can cope with rejection and abandonment – on the surface -- as he has done since his parents died.  But he cannot deal with his inner struggles – at least not this one. It’s just not his character. And when Jack realizes this, he shows his truest love for Ennis by letting him be. Jack could not fix Ennis, so Jack had to let him stand. And Ennis cannot do this anymore with a relationship with Jack.

Jack said "I wish I knew how to quit you."  And in the greatest irony of the film, Ennis showed Jack just how to do that -- one of Jack's wishes came to pass.

They part and the look on Jack’s face as Ennis drives away says a thousand things. Most notably, to me, the look says “Goddamn you Ennis. If it was up to me we could have had it. But it wasn’t just up to me. And you couldn’t “stand” it. So I’ll give you what you say you want (even though he really doesn’t), that which I know you really need – I’ll let you be.” Jack knows he is saying good-bye to Ennis for the last time here. And not for himself, but for his love. This is the greatest sacrifice shown in the film.

Jack has just seen his lover crumple up into a ball of unmanageable emotions, fears, conflicts, and inner struggles.  And Jack knows that Ennis can neither fix it nor stand it.  The destructive effects of rural homophobia (the theme of the film) have taken their ultimate toll on Ennis.  Jack has only two realistic options: Let Ennis go or hold him captive.  It is because of Jack’s love for Ennis that he lets him go.  Otherwise, Jack never loved Ennis at all because his other option is to say: “Damn!  I just saw my lover crumple into a ball of despair.  Oh, well, I can still get a few high-altitude fucks out of him every year.”  Because neither of them can fix it and because Ennis cannot stand it, Jack must quit Ennis.

Jack goes back to Texas. At some point he takes up with Randall. So much so that after twenty years of telling his folks “me and Ennis,” he now tells them “me and this other guy.”  And Jack does this before Ennis’ postcard about Pine Creek in November.

Now, I do NOT mean to get into an entire discussion about HOW Jack communicated all of this to Ennis.  That’s grist for another thread some day.  Suffice it to say that I do not believe that Jack told all of this – including “quitting -- to Ennis after Ennis’ breakdown and before Ennis drove off.  If he had, Ennis’ final postcard, as written, would not fit.  Jack may have told Ennis “You have to decide by next November.”  Then, Ennis’ postcard could fit.  But then Jack’s telling his parents of the other guy wouldn’t fit.  Maybe Jack needed time to process all of this and intended to communicate it to Ennis somehow, somewhere later – before or at November.  I do not believe that Jack would have simply let Ennis go and not somehow let Ennis in on it.  That’s not Jack’s character.  I also believe that since Jack loved Ennis so much, Jack would have succeeded in letting Ennis be, even though it would have wrenched Jack’s guts out for the rest of his life.

But as for Ennis, even after the final scenes with Jack, Ennis still had not changed. He didn’t send a postcard saying “OK, let’s set up housekeepin’ together.” It was just another invite – initiated this time by a guy who thought he may have lost Jack forever by his words and actions during the final scenes of the two of them. This being much like when he thought that Jack wasn’t contacting Ennis for four years after the mountain because Ennis thought maybe Jack wouldn’t forgive Ennis for punching Jack.

I do believe that Ennis finally figured out that Jack loved Ennis – but it took a bit of doing. In the bus station, Ennis told Cassie “I was probably no fun anyways, was I?”  (Harkening back to Ennis’ comment to Jack in the final lake scene about “a good time.”)  And she informed him that “Ennis, girls don’t fall in love with fun” – preceded by a ‘huh’ that drips with “I can’t believe you just said that. Are you that foolish?” Here, Ennis realizes that his times with Jack were not just fun and that Jack did not just fall in love with fun. Ennis looks as if he’s thinking, “Wow! Jack didn’t fall in love with fun, Jack fell in love with me.”

Deep down in an area that Ennis doesn’t communicate with, Ennis loved Jack. But on the surface – which is where Ennis (island) del Mar (of the sea) lives – it was all just fun – it was a “thing” that grabbed him – at least, this is how Ennis rationalized it to himself. In the final scene between Jack and Ennis, as the camera pans from Jack’s right to his left, and Jack is, presumably, weighing Ennis, Ennis says “We had a good time that year, didn’t we?” Ennis would only allow himself to believe that his dalliances with Jack were just fun, like going out hunting, fishing, or camping, with any other buddy, except that in Jack’s case, “something grabs hold of us.” But Cassie made Ennis realize on the surface, where Ennis lives, that Jack fell in love with Ennis.

Note also that when Junior tells Ennis she’s getting married, he doesn’t respond with the usual “Do you love him?” – as most fathers would. Ennis says “Now this Kurt fella… he loves you?” This signals to us that Ennis has made the connection that Jack loved Ennis (thanks also to the shirts).

And so we end our story of Ennis del Mar at a closet, with a postcard and the two shirts. He has carefully arranged his memories of Jack and of Brokeback Mountain. He keeps the picture of Brokeback hanging straight. He snaps a button.  When the shirts were in Jack’s closet, Jack’s shirt was on top of Ennis’ shirt. Jack had his arms around Ennis, comforting him. Now, in probably his only act of true acknowledgment that what he felt for Jack was love, Ennis has hung the shirts with Ennis’ arms wrapped around Jack, holding him forever.
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Re: Why Jack Quit Ennis
« Reply #1 on: Jul 28, 2006, 08:10 PM »
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Now comes the moment of greatest revelation in the film. And it’s not Ennis’ realization. It’s Jack’s. Jack suddenly sees Ennis in a different light. He doesn’t see Ennis any longer as a guy who’s all too happy to get it a couple of times a year as long as he can keep his life going. Now he sees the true Ennis – a guy who’s doing this because something’s got hold of him… he can’t help himself… and he’s tormented by this dilemma in himself. Jack realizes that Ennis has never come to terms with his love or with their relationship or with himself, for that matter.

And it is here that Jack displays the greatest love shown in the movie. He quits Ennis. He does not quit Ennis for Jack’s sake, for Jack to be able to get it on with another man in a more open or convenient relationship. Jack quits Ennis for Ennis’ sake. Jack realizes that if Jack truly loves Ennis with all of his heart, then Jack must let Ennis be. Jack must be removed from the picture of Ennis’ life so that Ennis will no longer be tormented by something that he is simply not equipped to deal with – this is Ennis’ character. I’m sure that Jack knows that if Jack quits Ennis it will cause Ennis a lot of pain. But Jack also knows that the “quit” pain will ultimately be less disastrous to the man he loves (Ennis) than the “continue” pain is causing him. Ennis can cope with rejection and abandonment – on the surface -- as he has done since his parents died.  But he cannot deal with his inner struggles – at least not this one. It’s just not his character. And when Jack realizes this, he shows his truest love for Ennis by letting him be. Jack could not fix Ennis, so Jack had to let him stand. And Ennis cannot do this anymore with a relationship with Jack.
Eloquently put, heartbreaking to read and re-live over again.
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Re: Why Jack Quit Ennis
« Reply #2 on: Jul 29, 2006, 08:54 AM »
Beautifully written and heartbreaking.  :\'(
“What Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some shared and sexless hunger."

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Re: Why Jack Quit Ennis
« Reply #3 on: Jul 29, 2006, 09:57 AM »
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In the final scene between Jack and Ennis, as the camera pans from Jack’s right to his left, and Jack is, presumably, weighing Ennis...

Beautifull how camerawork can tell a story... I love that!

Like the end scene with the two shirts hanging on the closetdoor with the picture and the window looking out in to nature, where nature in the movie is  a metaphore for freedom. Ennis wants that, and its on the tip of his fingers (the window), he just has to open it!

Instead, he shakes his head and says: "Jack, I swear.." Closes the door, keeping all of his love and feelings 'in the closet' and walks out of the scene leaving us looking out of the window into nature knowing this man will live a lie and die a lonely man...

One thing though. The last postcard is not form Jack, but from Ennis (it's a returned postcard)...




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Re: Why Jack Quit Ennis
« Reply #4 on: Jul 29, 2006, 03:55 PM »

If there is a fundamental tenet in this essay that I fully agree with, it is this:  Jack's greatest act of love was to "give up" Ennis.  I have hinted at this in the Jake "Superstar" thread: that the love portrayed by Gyllenhaal in the guise of Jack Twist approaches the concept of agape at the very end.  I have thought for a while now that this part of the portrayal goes deeper that what was implied in Proulx's short story.  It is this aspect that I consider Jake Gyllenhaal's greatest contribution to the story, in his re-invention of the character of Jack Twist.  It becomes a character totally his own: a character whose pedigree can be traced in an unbroken succession of previous Jake Gyllenhaal characters.

I have always likened this aspect of BBM to the Redemption through Love  leitmotif at the end of Wagner's Gotterdammerung.  In the end, Jack "giving up" on Ennis approaches the ideal of pure and unconditional love.   He will let Ennis go free, even as he will always love Ennis above all things in this world.




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Re: Why Jack Quit Ennis
« Reply #5 on: Jul 29, 2006, 04:08 PM »

If there is a fundamental tenet in this essay that I fully agree with, it is this:  Jack's greatest act of love was to "give up" Ennis.  I have hinted at this in the Jake "Superstar" thread: that the love portrayed by Gyllenhaal in the guise of Jack Twist approaches the concept of agape at the very end.  I have thought for a while now that this part of the portrayal goes deeper that what was implied in Proulx's short story.  It is this aspect that I consider Jake Gyllenhaal's greatest contribution to the story, in his re-invention of the character of Jack Twist.  It becomes a character totally his own: a character whose pedigree can be traced in an unbroken succession of previous Jake Gyllenhaal characters.

I have always likened this aspect of BBM to the Redemption through Love  leitmotif at the end of Wagner's Gotterdammerung.  In the end, Jack "giving up" on Ennis approaches the ideal of pure and unconditional love.   He will let Ennis go free, even as he will always love Ennis above all things in this world.




I quote the entire post.
Yes, he will let Ennis go free, filìa and eros turned to be agape.
A total and pure love freed from possession.

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« Reply #6 on: Jul 29, 2006, 04:53 PM »

If there is a fundamental tenet in this essay that I fully agree with, it is this:  Jack's greatest act of love was to "give up" Ennis.  I have hinted at this in the Jake "Superstar" thread: that the love portrayed by Gyllenhaal in the guise of Jack Twist approaches the concept of agape at the very end.  I have thought for a while now that this part of the portrayal goes deeper that what was implied in Proulx's short story.  It is this aspect that I consider Jake Gyllenhaal's greatest contribution to the story, in his re-invention of the character of Jack Twist.  It becomes a character totally his own: a character whose pedigree can be traced in an unbroken succession of previous Jake Gyllenhaal characters.

I have always likened this aspect of BBM to the Redemption through Love  leitmotif at the end of Wagner's Gotterdammerung.  In the end, Jack "giving up" on Ennis approaches the ideal of pure and unconditional love.   He will let Ennis go free, even as he will always love Ennis above all things in this world.




I quote the entire post.
Yes, he will let Ennis go free, filìa and eros turned to be agape.
A total and pure love freed from possession.


Thanks Mars. 

Whether I agree fully with this essay or not,  I love it very much.  Reading this essay has defined my mood for at least today.  It has certainly made this day richer. 

Mars, I know you understand this feeling.  I think it is close to the heart of BBM.


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Re: Why Jack Quit Ennis
« Reply #7 on: Jul 29, 2006, 05:00 PM »
Yes Tpe, I understand this feeling.

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« Reply #8 on: Jul 29, 2006, 05:04 PM »
Yes Tpe, I understand this feeling.

Then you will not rebuke me if I say that I cried reading it.


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Re: Why Jack Quit Ennis
« Reply #9 on: Jul 29, 2006, 05:11 PM »
No,absolutely not!! It's the force and weakness of a richer soul!! O0

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« Reply #10 on: Jul 30, 2006, 04:44 AM »
OK...excellent, I wasn't the only one... :\'(
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 30, 2006, 08:43 PM »
I am glad all of you thought the essay was well written and provided "food for thought". I truly admire the person who wrote this essay. I don't agree with all of it, but the author gives a compelling argument to refute everything I have thought previously.

If there is a fundamental tenet in this essay that I fully agree with, it is this:  Jack's greatest act of love was to "give up" Ennis.  I have hinted at this in the Jake "Superstar" thread: that the love portrayed by Gyllenhaal in the guise of Jack Twist approaches the concept of agape at the very end.  I have thought for a while now that this part of the portrayal goes deeper that what was implied in Proulx's short story.  It is this aspect that I consider Jake Gyllenhaal's greatest contribution to the story, in his re-invention of the character of Jack Twist.  It becomes a character totally his own: a character whose pedigree can be traced in an unbroken succession of previous Jake Gyllenhaal characters.

I have always likened this aspect of BBM to the Redemption through Love  leitmotif at the end of Wagner's Gotterdammerung.  In the end, Jack "giving up" on Ennis approaches the ideal of pure and unconditional love.   He will let Ennis go free, even as he will always love Ennis above all things in this world.

Tpe – I love what you are saying here. I honestly thought that Jack would never “quit” Ennis. I vacillate between thinking that Jack decided to move on without Ennis and thinking that Jack was incapable of letting Ennis go. What I mean by this is that both characters were enmeshed. In the screenplay, after the “dozy embrace”, it states that Jack “watches the pickup truck, and his other half, fade away into the distance …” I tie this into the two shirts … Ennis’ shirt tucked into Jack’s … “… the pair like two skins, one inside the other, two in one.” It is reminiscent of marital vows, “ …. and the two shall become one.” At the end, Ennis’ , “Jack, I swear …” is his marital vow to Jack.

I know you will say, like many others, that the film is a different medium than the story or screenplay and the actors, director, et.al. bring his/her own interpretation to the piece. I completely agree with that. However, I do find that other sources can assist in understanding the motivation of each character. IMO, the film stayed very close to the screenplay. Therefore, I do use it as an additional aid in interpreting the film.
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 30, 2006, 09:58 PM »
This is all so hearbreaking  :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'(

Where are those tissues ?

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« Reply #13 on: Jul 31, 2006, 07:22 AM »
I am glad all of you thought the essay was well written and provided "food for thought". I truly admire the person who wrote this essay. I don't agree with all of it, but the author gives a compelling argument to refute everything I have thought previously.

If there is a fundamental tenet in this essay that I fully agree with, it is this:  Jack's greatest act of love was to "give up" Ennis.  I have hinted at this in the Jake "Superstar" thread: that the love portrayed by Gyllenhaal in the guise of Jack Twist approaches the concept of agape at the very end.  I have thought for a while now that this part of the portrayal goes deeper that what was implied in Proulx's short story.  It is this aspect that I consider Jake Gyllenhaal's greatest contribution to the story, in his re-invention of the character of Jack Twist.  It becomes a character totally his own: a character whose pedigree can be traced in an unbroken succession of previous Jake Gyllenhaal characters.

I have always likened this aspect of BBM to the Redemption through Love  leitmotif at the end of Wagner's Gotterdammerung.  In the end, Jack "giving up" on Ennis approaches the ideal of pure and unconditional love.   He will let Ennis go free, even as he will always love Ennis above all things in this world.

Tpe – I love what you are saying here. I honestly thought that Jack would never “quit” Ennis. I vacillate between thinking that Jack decided to move on without Ennis and thinking that Jack was incapable of letting Ennis go. What I mean by this is that both characters were enmeshed. In the screenplay, after the “dozy embrace”, it states that Jack “watches the pickup truck, and his other half, fade away into the distance …” I tie this into the two shirts … Ennis’ shirt tucked into Jack’s … “… the pair like two skins, one inside the other, two in one.” It is reminiscent of marital vows, “ …. and the two shall become one.” At the end, Ennis’ , “Jack, I swear …” is his marital vow to Jack.

I know you will say, like many others, that the film is a different medium than the story or screenplay and the actors, director, et.al. bring his/her own interpretation to the piece. I completely agree with that. However, I do find that other sources can assist in understanding the motivation of each character. IMO, the film stayed very close to the screenplay. Therefore, I do use it as an additional aid in interpreting the film.


Thank you. dly64, for sharing this with us.

I rather felt the same way as you did about Jack never quitting Ennis.  And, indeed, the to lovers are so intertwined that it is difficult to imagine them ever being disentangled fro each other.

It is true, both took the vow.  In spite of everything that came to pass, I do think their love for each other remained intact.
There are so many levels and vantage points from which to interpret this film, no?  Each one may be slightly different, and yet all unite in enriching this story in ways that still stun us all.

 

 

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Re: Why Jack Quit Ennis
« Reply #14 on: Aug 01, 2006, 07:00 PM »
Wonderful essay - well written and perceptive (but perhaps that's because i agree with every word!)  When I saw the film (never having read the story) my first reaction when the postcard came back with "Deceased" on it was that Jack had killed himself to release Ennis, which would have been even more Wagnerian!  A good example of how the "film Jack" is subtly different to the "story Jack" - the extra details in the film somehow make Jack a much more enigmatic and deeper (and more attractive IMO) character.
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Re: Why Jack Quit Ennis
« Reply #15 on: Aug 02, 2006, 04:08 AM »
When the postcard came back I could not believe it that Jack was dead.

Because, for me, this was the first time Ennis took the enetiative towards Jack. All other postcards came from Jack inviting Ennis, now it was the other way around and I like to think Ennis was finally 'comming out' realizing that it is HIS life, and he needs to life it the way that makes HIM happy (allthough a very small step).

That is why I cryed at this scene the first time, finally he is accepting and he is smacked down in a very hard way. Kicking him even deeper in his fears.

For Jack, HE never gave up, I like to think he needed to set Ennis free if he really loved Ennis. Beeing with him was breaking Ennis up, and if there ever was going to be a relationship between them it had to come from Ennis...

Makes the returned postcard even more painfull...

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Re: Why Jack Quit Ennis
« Reply #16 on: Aug 02, 2006, 07:45 AM »
That is why I cryed at this scene the first time, finally he is accepting and he is smacked down in a very hard way. Kicking him even deeper in his fears.

I never thought of it that way- I'm always crying at this point (from the confrontation right through the end). That does make it even more painful- he summoned the courage to "fight" or reach out and it was too late.  :\'(
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 02, 2006, 08:13 AM »
That's the irony of Jack's saying "There ain't never enough time, never enough". there isn't enough time for them to waste it, but they do, and then it's too late. Jack's run out of time and Ennis has too much with nothing to fill it. Perhaps Jack had a sense that after twenty years, he'd given too much time to Ennis and needed to use some of his time differently.

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« Reply #18 on: Aug 02, 2006, 09:45 AM »
I just reread the essay, and looking back now, it certainly makes a lot of sense.  Ennis unfortunately didn't really understand the extent of Jack's love for him until it was too late....   :\'(  Sometimes it takes tragedy to kick us in the butt and knock some sense into us, just like the movie did for so many of us for the better...

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« Reply #19 on: Aug 02, 2006, 01:33 PM »
That is why I cryed at this scene the first time, finally he is accepting and he is smacked down in a very hard way. Kicking him even deeper in his fears.

I never thought of it that way- I'm always crying at this point (from the confrontation right through the end). That does make it even more painful- he summoned the courage to "fight" or reach out and it was too late.  :\'(

If this was the case, then the last time they were together and had the... never enough time/don't know how bad it gets/mexico discussion - it DID work for Jack, and had November come he may have finally got what he wanted. It's what I've always hoped. Oh why did he have to die :\'(
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Offline KillRoy1972

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Re: Why Jack Quit Ennis
« Reply #20 on: Aug 02, 2006, 04:32 PM »
That is why I cryed at this scene the first time, finally he is accepting and he is smacked down in a very hard way. Kicking him even deeper in his fears.

I never thought of it that way- I'm always crying at this point (from the confrontation right through the end). That does make it even more painful- he summoned the courage to "fight" or reach out and it was too late.  :\'(

If this was the case, then the last time they were together and had the... never enough time/don't know how bad it gets/mexico discussion - it DID work for Jack, and had November come he may have finally got what he wanted. It's what I've always hoped. Oh why did he have to die :\'(

I know...

This, for me, is the most painfull part of the movie.

It makes me very sad to know that it all could have been like it should, where JAck and Ennis finally were in 'that place'.

And it makes me angry that 'as usual' Ennis is kicked down like he's always been. (what parrent shows his kid a dead homosexual man and tells him 'that is what happens'. For all Ennis know, his father killed the man. What kind of chilhood did Ennis have...

I totaly understand Ennis his fears...

And than this happens.. Just when he is about to open up...

Its just unfair!

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Re: Why Jack Quit Ennis
« Reply #21 on: Aug 03, 2006, 05:56 AM »
Wordsworth said it all - "The child is father to the man."

Ennis was formed by his father long before Jack came into his life;I think Jack finally realized that he was never going to overcome Ennis's conditioning. Doesn;t mean he stopped loving him, or given Jack's nature hoping.

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Re: Why Jack Quit Ennis
« Reply #22 on: Aug 16, 2006, 03:14 PM »
Thanks Diane for posting this well written essay.  I agreed mostly, as I did at the other site where this essay was from, that Jack qiut Ennis out of true love.  To me, "quit" does not mean to stop loving Ennis, it means to set Ennis free  and let him be.  This gives Ennis a chance to think and decide what is important to him.  As everyone knows, Ennis finally summoned enough courage to initiate the postcard only to have it returned.  There's a good chance that comes November, Ennis might change a little.  But poor Jack has to die off before that time.  I think Ennis making an effort to call Laureen and go to Lightning Flat proves that he changes somewhat.  Yes, it is too sad.

Thanks again Diane and I'll jump back and forth between these sites.

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Re: Why Jack Quit Ennis
« Reply #23 on: Sep 03, 2006, 07:30 PM »
Wordsworth said it all - "The child is father to the man."

Ennis was formed by his father long before Jack came into his life;I think Jack finally realized that he was never going to overcome Ennis's conditioning. Doesn;t mean he stopped loving him, or given Jack's nature hoping.

Beautful post Welshwitch  ^f^

I don't think anything was going to stop Jack from loving Ennis unconditionally.