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Offline jjmiao

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the poker in this scenes
« on: Aug 14, 2006, 01:20 AM »
Perhaps it already issued here for past, but I would like to know,
does it have any sepcial means for this scenes as under:

"Pair of deuces going nowhere" in Joe Aguirre's hand. :s)

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Re: the poker in this scenes
« Reply #1 on: Aug 14, 2006, 02:34 AM »
Perhaps it already issued here for past, but I would like to know,
does it have any sepcial means for this scenes as under:

"Pair of deuces going nowhere" in Joe Aguirre's hand. :s)

I think it refers to Jack & Ennis's relationship.

Their relationship has started, but is going nowhere. Ennis can only go so far and Jack is constantly hanging on, waiting for him but getting nowhere.

Nicely picked up jjmiao :c)

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Re: the poker in this scenes
« Reply #2 on: Aug 14, 2006, 02:44 AM »

I think it refers to Jack & Ennis's relationship.

Their relationship has started, but is going nowhere. Ennis can only go so far and Jack is constantly hanging on, waiting for him but getting nowhere.

Nicely picked up jjmiao :c)


Dear greenfrog,

Thanks for your comment, and I will forward your words to our board in Taiwan, to sharing the view you offered. :t)

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Re: the poker in this scenes
« Reply #3 on: Aug 14, 2006, 06:12 AM »
Deuce ( teo ones) is the lowest throw at dice, therefore presumably means "worth little" - Aguirre's implying that that's what they are, no future, no prospects. Ironically it's also what ennis says about himself in the last scene with Jack.

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Re: the poker in this scenes
« Reply #4 on: Aug 14, 2006, 06:29 AM »
Deuce ( teo ones) is the lowest throw at dice, therefore presumably means "worth little" - Aguirre's implying that that's what they are, no future, no prospects. Ironically it's also what ennis says about himself in the last scene with Jack.


I knew what two dueces going nowhere meant, but I've never noticed the irony of Ennis saying that in his last meeting with Jack. Very interesting observation welshwitch.   :)
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Re: the poker in this scenes
« Reply #5 on: Aug 14, 2006, 07:41 AM »
Deuce ( teo ones) is the lowest throw at dice, therefore presumably means "worth little" - Aguirre's implying that that's what they are, no future, no prospects. Ironically it's also what ennis says about himself in the last scene with Jack.

I thought of this, also.


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Re: the poker in this scenes
« Reply #6 on: Aug 14, 2006, 03:02 PM »
Perhaps it already issued here for past, but I would like to know,
does it have any sepcial means for this scenes as under:

"Pair of deuces going nowhere" in Joe Aguirre's hand. :s)

I always thought that it was reference to poker...a pair in poker is two cards having the same number/face value (i.e., two 5's or two Kings). A pair of dueces (two 2's)  would be the lowest possible winning combination in a game of poker

So Joe Aguirre's thought of Ennis and Jack would be (A pair of dueces going nowhere)...two almost worthless young men with no future.
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Re: the poker in this scenes
« Reply #7 on: Aug 15, 2006, 04:07 PM »
Yes,same goes for me as what jesseanne21 said.Deuce being the lowest in a pack of cards.Aguirre being his mean and horrible self.
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Re: the poker in this scenes
« Reply #8 on: Aug 16, 2006, 07:16 AM »
Yes,same goes for me as what jesseanne21 said.Deuce being the lowest in a pack of cards.Aguirre being his mean and horrible self.
Jennis.x

Pair of deuces therefore translates to the lowest PAIR, correct?

 
« Last Edit: Aug 16, 2006, 09:52 AM by tpe »

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Re: the poker in this scenes
« Reply #9 on: Aug 16, 2006, 08:17 AM »
If you think of deuce as the throw of two ones, then he's saying that both ennis and Jack are as worthless as the least you can score - you can't throw less than two at dice. Actyally I think he's not thought that profoundly about it ( or indeed about anything) - he's just a nasty man who likes to belittle and score off people who can't talk back.

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Re: the poker in this scenes
« Reply #10 on: Aug 16, 2006, 12:28 PM »
Yes,same goes for me as what jesseanne21 said.Deuce being the lowest in a pack of cards.Aguirre being his mean and horrible self.
Jennis.x

Pair of deuces therefore translates to the lowest PAIR, correct?

 
Yes,That's right.You cannot get any lower,which is what Aguirre thinks of our boys. :X

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Re: the poker in this scenes
« Reply #11 on: Aug 16, 2006, 12:31 PM »
Yes,same goes for me as what jesseanne21 said.Deuce being the lowest in a pack of cards.Aguirre being his mean and horrible self.
Jennis.x

Pair of deuces therefore translates to the lowest PAIR, correct?

 
Yes,That's right.You cannot get any lower,which is what Aguirre thinks of our boys. :X

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Whether poker or dice, the implication is quite clear.  It is a comment of disdain coming from Agguire...