Author Topic: Okay, i just noticed something... (Read 21643 times)

FulOfSadness · « **on:** Aug 15, 2006, 01:15 PM »

I was just watching the "All rodeo cowboys are all f*** ups" scene, and right after Ennis says "Hell, thats most i've spoken in a year," did anyone noticed that he half-smiles, but then looks away shyly??? Jack does the same thing, and it hit me, that they shared something like that, it was amazing. I'm alittle slow, and i just noticed this, but wow, it made me feel all weird

i didn't notice how sensitive that part of the movie is, so everyone go watch that part, and notice how SHY Ennis gets after sharing a smile, and a look with Jack, its priceless!!!!

jesseanne21 · « **Reply #1 on:** Aug 15, 2006, 01:28 PM »

oh, yeah!!! First love in bloom

NoReins · « **Reply #2 on:** Aug 15, 2006, 01:50 PM »

Yeah, I'd noticed Ennis's little shy smile before. I notice ~~most~~ all of Ennis's smiles, if I'm being completely honest

I do love the way that Jack's smile develops slowly as Ennis speaks though....like he's just basking in the unexpected gift of Ennis opening up to him.

lamusica · « **Reply #3 on:** Aug 15, 2006, 01:51 PM »

I've always thought of that scene as the very first sign that Ennis is opening up to Jack; he has just spoken to him about his family -- something you don't do too readily unless you are willing to take a chance on a friendship with the new person.

tpe · « **Reply #4 on:** Aug 15, 2006, 02:08 PM »

There is a very old thread here that asks the forum members to identify at what scene they think they detect the first appearance of love.

I should look for it. It would be an interesting read for those not acquainted with it.

FulOfSadness · « **Reply #5 on:** Aug 15, 2006, 03:01 PM »

I loved it!

camellia · « **Reply #6 on:** Aug 15, 2006, 03:21 PM »

This has always been one of my favorite scenes in the movie. It's the first time the movie shows something more than friendship is developing between the two boys. Ennis really opens up and then they are both a little embarrased about it. I think they are realizing this could be more than a friendship at this point too. It's a beautiful scene!

tpe · « **Reply #7 on:** Aug 16, 2006, 07:23 AM »

Quote from: FulOfSadness on Aug 15, 2006, 03:01 PM

I loved it!

It is an interesting subject you touch here, FulOfSadness. The one you pointed out is, of course, a favorite of many. Just because it was so beautiful...

The old thread:

http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=f3f2dbc5e0851119d314464800a84659&topic=3321.0

Rønnaug · « **Reply #8 on:** Aug 16, 2006, 08:21 AM »

Quote from: NoReins on Aug 15, 2006, 01:50 PM

I do love the way that Jack's smile develops slowly as Ennis speaks though....like he's just basking in the unexpected gift of Ennis opening up to him.

Along with the fact that you can sense his breathing more

tpe · « **Reply #9 on:** Aug 16, 2006, 09:48 AM »

Quote from: Esmelily on Aug 16, 2006, 08:21 AM

Quote from: NoReins on Aug 15, 2006, 01:50 PM

I do love the way that Jack's smile develops slowly as Ennis speaks though....like he's just basking in the unexpected gift of Ennis opening up to him.

Along with the fact that you can sense his breathing more

Lovely observations. Thank you.

stephan · « **Reply #10 on:** Aug 19, 2006, 04:23 PM »

It is indeed a very very beautiful scene :\'( Isn't love always beautiful ? :\'( :\'(

tpe · « **Reply #11 on:** Aug 19, 2006, 04:36 PM »

Quote from: stephan on Aug 19, 2006, 04:23 PM

It is indeed a very very beautiful scene :\'( Isn't love always beautiful ? :\'( :\'(

Even when it is sad, it is beautiful.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #12 on:** Aug 19, 2006, 08:32 PM »

I think ,along with first inklings of love here Jack is establishing trust from Ennis whuch aint easy.His smiles are sweet though.

erica loves jack · « **Reply #13 on:** Sep 02, 2006, 10:01 PM »

jack is definitely looking at ennis' junk and giving him the 'how you doin'?' look.

it's so weird to see nice little innocent jack being all sexual and fiesty. in that moment, you can tell he really wants to put it on a brother like a pop tart. haha.

go jack go!!

FulOfSadness · « **Reply #14 on:** Sep 02, 2006, 11:00 PM »

Quote from: erica loves jack on Sep 02, 2006, 10:01 PM

jack is definitely looking at ennis' junk and giving him the 'how you doin'?' look.

it's so weird to see nice little innocent jack being all sexual and fiesty. in that moment, you can tell he really wants to put it on a brother like a pop tart. haha.

go jack go!!

LOL. Jack isn't innocent

I think Randell's butt knows that

LMAO, i've said too much!

greenfrog · « **Reply #15 on:** Sep 03, 2006, 12:03 AM »

Quote from: FulOfSadness on Sep 02, 2006, 11:00 PM

Quote from: erica loves jack on Sep 02, 2006, 10:01 PM
jack is definitely looking at ennis' junk and giving him the 'how you doin'?' look.

it's so weird to see nice little innocent jack being all sexual and fiesty. in that moment, you can tell he really wants to put it on a brother like a pop tart. haha.

go jack go!!

LOL. Jack isn't innoncent I think Randell's butt knows that LMAO, i've said too much!

You have definately said too much

Patriot1 · « **Reply #16 on:** Sep 03, 2006, 09:53 AM »

Quote from: erica loves jack on Sep 02, 2006, 10:01 PM

jack is definitely looking at ennis' junk and giving him the 'how you doin'?' look.

it's so weird to see nice little innocent jack being all sexual and fiesty. in that moment, you can tell he really wants to put it on a brother like a pop tart. haha.

go jack go!!

OMG! It is true! I AM too old. I don't even understand English any more!

What is "junk" and what on earth does it mean to "put it on a brother like a pop tart"

I feel like an Egyptologist trying to figure out an ancient language.

welshwitch · « **Reply #17 on:** Sep 03, 2006, 01:36 PM »

Or maybe your English is just too good for modern usages?

Patriot1 · « **Reply #18 on:** Sep 03, 2006, 02:42 PM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Sep 03, 2006, 01:36 PM

Or maybe your English is just too good for modern usages?

I don't know Welshwitch. All I know is I read words that looked like English words but they were put together in a way that left me totally in the dark as far as the meaning of the sentence.

By the way, if you or anyone else can interpret what was said, I will be grateful.

keren_b · « **Reply #19 on:** Sep 03, 2006, 02:44 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Sep 03, 2006, 09:53 AM

Quote from: erica loves jack on Sep 02, 2006, 10:01 PM
jack is definitely looking at ennis' junk and giving him the 'how you doin'?' look.

it's so weird to see nice little innocent jack being all sexual and fiesty. in that moment, you can tell he really wants to put it on a brother like a pop tart. haha.

go jack go!!

OMG! It is true! I AM too old. I don't even understand English any more!

What is "junk" and what on earth does it mean to "put it on a brother like a pop tart"

I feel like an Egyptologist trying to figure out an ancient language.

If it makes you feel any better, Patriot, I don't understand it either... of course, I can always pull out the "English is not my mother language" card - I doubt I'll find it in the dictionary, too! but, given the context, I can guess what that means...

Anyway, back on topic - as much as we like to joke about it, I don't think this moment was about sex. at least I prefer to think it wasn't. Rather, I'd prefer to think about it as a moment when they realize the depth of their friendship, even the depth of their feelings for each other. I'd like to think that Ennis was thinking how comfortable he feels with Jack, how great it is to be able to tell him all these things, and Jack thinking how he enjoys listening to Ennis talking, how much he loves hearing his voice, how wonderful it is to finally have him open up. This scene brings to my mind the part in the ss about both of them being happy to find a companion where none had been expected, and Ennis feeling like he could paw the white out of the moon. it's like a moment of realization - I feel something for this guy, and not necessarily sexual feelings, more like emotions. At least, that's my take on it.

FulOfSadness · « **Reply #20 on:** Sep 03, 2006, 02:47 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Sep 03, 2006, 02:42 PM

Quote from: welshwitch on Sep 03, 2006, 01:36 PM
Or maybe your English is just too good for modern usages?

I don't know Welshwitch. All I know is I read words that looked like English words but they were put together in a way that left me totally in the dark as far as the meaning of the sentence.

By the way, if you or anyone else can interpret what was said, I will be grateful.

"Ennis's Junk" refers to the lump in his pants if you get what i'm saying

Hes checking how 'big' he is down there. LOL.

I'm, guessing "put it on a brother like a pop tart" Jack wanted to have sex with Ennis badly.

FulOfSadness · « **Reply #21 on:** Sep 03, 2006, 02:51 PM »

I agree, the scene wasn't about sex, but had that edge to it, that is innuendous (most the kids my age don't know what that means

) Its still a great part. Ennis and Jack are basically best freinds that have mad animal sex.

Patriot1 · « **Reply #22 on:** Sep 03, 2006, 02:53 PM »

Quote from: keren_b on Sep 03, 2006, 02:44 PM

Anyway, back on topic - as much as we like to joke about it, I don't think this moment was about sex. at least I prefer to think it wasn't. Rather, I'd prefer to think about it as a moment when they realize the depth of their friendship, even the depth of their feelings for each other. I'd like to think that Ennis was thinking how comfortable he feels with Jack, how great it is to be able to tell him all these things, and Jack thinking how he enjoys listening to Ennis talking, how much he loves hearing his voice, how wonderful it is to finally have him open up. This scene brings to my mind the part in the ss about both of them being happy to find a companion where none had been expected, and Ennis feeling like he could paw the white out of the moon. it's like a moment of realization - I feel something for this guy, and not necessarily sexual feelings, more like emotions. At least, that's my take on it.

That is exactly the feeling I came away with keren_b. I saw nothing sexual in this either. I also saw a friendship growing.

Patriot1 · « **Reply #23 on:** Sep 03, 2006, 03:09 PM »

Quote from: keren_b on Sep 03, 2006, 02:44 PM

Quote from: Patriot1 on Sep 03, 2006, 09:53 AM
Quote from: erica loves jack on Sep 02, 2006, 10:01 PM
jack is definitely looking at ennis' junk and giving him the 'how you doin'?' look.

it's so weird to see nice little innocent jack being all sexual and fiesty. in that moment, you can tell he really wants to put it on a brother like a pop tart. haha.

go jack go!!

OMG! It is true! I AM too old. I don't even understand English any more!

What is "junk" and what on earth does it mean to "put it on a brother like a pop tart"

I feel like an Egyptologist trying to figure out an ancient language.

If it makes you feel any better, Patriot, I don't understand it either... of course, I can always pull out the "English is not my mother language" card - I doubt I'll find it in the dictionary, too! but, given the context, I can guess what that means...

Oh! Thank goodness it is not just me. I was beginning to think I was losing it.

Patriot1 · « **Reply #24 on:** Sep 03, 2006, 03:24 PM »

Quote from: FulOfSadness on Sep 03, 2006, 02:47 PM

Quote from: Patriot1 on Sep 03, 2006, 02:42 PM
Quote from: welshwitch on Sep 03, 2006, 01:36 PM
Or maybe your English is just too good for modern usages?

I don't know Welshwitch. All I know is I read words that looked like English words but they were put together in a way that left me totally in the dark as far as the meaning of the sentence.

By the way, if you or anyone else can interpret what was said, I will be grateful.

"Ennis's Junk" refers to the lump in his pants if you get what i'm saying Hes checking how 'big' he is down there. LOL.

Oh my goodness. The meaning of words are being changed? I grew up thinking "junk" was old or discarded material or objects or anything regarded as worthless. If you are correct, I would think Ennis' privates were anything but worthless to Jack.

Quote from: FulOfSadness

I'm, guessing "put it on a brother like a pop tart" Jack wanted to have sex with Ennis badly.

I still don't get that one. Do kids today wear pop tarts? They don't have sex with a pop tart I hope!!!!!!
So you are saying if I went to a bar today and said, 'I'd like to put you on like a pop tart' the other person would know I wanted to have sex? OMG! I would never have guessed a pop tart was the same as sex.

Patriot1 · « **Reply #25 on:** Sep 03, 2006, 03:28 PM »

Quote from: FulOfSadness on Sep 03, 2006, 02:51 PM

I agree, the scene wasn't about sex, but had that edge to it, that is innuendous (most the kids my age don't know what that means ) Its still a great part. Ennis and Jack are basically best freinds that have mad animal sex.

Maybe it would be better if they learned the english language instead of having sex with a pop tart!

FulOfSadness · « **Reply #26 on:** Sep 03, 2006, 04:50 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Sep 03, 2006, 03:28 PM

Quote from: FulOfSadness on Sep 03, 2006, 02:51 PM
I agree, the scene wasn't about sex, but had that edge to it, that is innuendous (most the kids my age don't know what that means ) Its still a great part. Ennis and Jack are basically best freinds that have mad animal sex.

Maybe it would be better if they learned the english language instead of having sex with a pop tart!

i've had a few pop tarts in my day

erica loves jack · « **Reply #27 on:** Sep 03, 2006, 06:56 PM »

ok....

by 'junk' i mean his penis and balls area. (i hope everyone can understand that.... young or old. lol.)

and 'put it on a brother like a pop tart'... thats a quote from the movie A Walk to Remember... basically, it means bang him real good.

i hope everyone understands now.

awww this reminds me of jack and ennis....

welshwitch · « **Reply #28 on:** Sep 04, 2006, 11:54 AM »

Pop tarts in the UK are rather repulsive biscuit/cake things filled with jam and junk is either rubbish or drugs ( nuch the same thing IMO).

It seems to me this scene is not about sex at all - it's about gradually coming to know and trust another hiuman being, which neither has much reason to do given the backgrounds they come from. It's that magical time when you're sicovering someone to whom you can talk completely openly, without being ridiculed, someone who will listen and understand, someone to whom you are important, someone you can trust.

And I don;t know about animal sex either - FNIT may be animalistic, but SNIT isn't nor the wrestling scene, the motel, the later shots of them asleep together in tent. In all those they're doing the very things that differentiate us from animals - caring, showing tenderness and gentleness, enjoying closeness, being sensual as well as sexual.

FulOfSadness · « **Reply #29 on:** Sep 04, 2006, 12:42 PM »

SNIT wasn't animalistic, as it is the most tender moment in movie history!

But, come one, the FNIT, the reunion kiss........The motel sex they must of had after 4 years. They are men with high sex drives, and i don't think that we can ignore that. The SNIT was a moment of certain desperation on Ennis's behalf. He was too lonely, and he wanted some love, rather it be physical or emotional (he got both) Even in the SS Proulx says their 'couplings' never got any less passionate, or 'good'.

Thay have animal sex, i know i would if i was either! but yes, there love is delicate, and they want to keep it that way. Also in the SS, Proulx explains that they never talked during sex, they just laughed and grunted (animal like?) there is nothing wrong with animal sex, and there is no reason to think that anyone meant wrong by saying they have 'mad animal sex'

Author Topic: Okay, i just noticed something... (Read 21643 times)

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