Author Topic: Symbols you will forever associate with BBM scenes (Read 268054 times)

ksxks · « **Reply #300 on:** Jan 19, 2007, 06:51 PM »

Green, yes, and blue, also. Lots of blue -- sky, water, and denim! Oh yes, and Jack Twist's eyes. Might as well add "beige" or "tan" -- Ennis's jackets, well-worn tents, dusty towns...

kathy

tpe · « **Reply #301 on:** Jan 19, 2007, 07:18 PM »

Dusty towns and weathered buildings. Verdant slopes and snowy peaks. The blue blue heavens. The cold cold dark dark earth.

ksxks · « **Reply #302 on:** Jan 19, 2007, 07:48 PM »

Rain and hail and snow.

tpe · « **Reply #303 on:** Jan 19, 2007, 07:58 PM »

Earth, Fire, and Rain (i.e., the Mountain, their Love, and their Tears).

welshwitch · « **Reply #304 on:** Jan 20, 2007, 12:56 AM »

And ycould add the fourth element - earth, fire, water .... and the air of the mountain, cold, clear and often a rushing wind, which Ennis recalled whn he held the shirts in Jack's room.

greenfrog · « **Reply #305 on:** Feb 10, 2007, 06:13 PM »

This is a new one for me, but I can now associate this with Jack meeting Randall.

jacks_key · « **Reply #306 on:** Feb 10, 2007, 07:09 PM »

Anything to do with cowboys, camping, fishing. And black cowboy hats - I was at the store this afternoon, and saw a guy wearing a black cowboy hat. Made me think of Jack (even tho' the guy looked nothing like Jack)!

tpe · « **Reply #307 on:** Feb 12, 2007, 08:47 AM »

Quote from: jacks_key on Feb 10, 2007, 07:09 PM

Anything to do with cowboys, camping, fishing. And black cowboy hats - I was at the store this afternoon, and saw a guy wearing a black cowboy hat. Made me think of Jack (even tho' the guy looked nothing like Jack)!

The colors we associate whith them -- the color of the hats, jackets, etc. I understand how you feel.

welshwitch · « **Reply #308 on:** Feb 12, 2007, 11:05 AM »

Clarkson and Hammond from "Top Gear" sat by a fire while eating in last night's prog - and I was right back there after Ennis had killed the elk.

Holden Worther · « **Reply #309 on:** Feb 22, 2007, 08:30 PM »

Quote from: greenfrog on Sep 05, 2006, 09:49 PM

How about . . . "The Many Huh's of Ennis"

Any time i hear someone say "huh" i automatically think of Ennis. My favorite connection between BBM and my real life is that elk that they shot. Whenever elks come into the conversation i think of bbm. I even named the elk Stan just so it wouldn't be so weird, even though i guess to other people naming it might be a little weird.

ksxks · « **Reply #310 on:** Feb 22, 2007, 10:18 PM »

Not to mention, elk like never come into my conversation or thoughts -- not in San Diego! (Except when watching BBM that is.)

kathy

JT · « **Reply #311 on:** Feb 27, 2007, 05:22 PM »

Even lightning reminds me of BBM now too.

tpe · « **Reply #312 on:** Feb 27, 2007, 05:25 PM »

Quote from: JT on Feb 27, 2007, 05:22 PM

Even lightning reminds me of BBM now too.

Because of the scene when Jack was shown sleeping before a coming storm, no?

JT · « **Reply #313 on:** Feb 27, 2007, 05:46 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Feb 27, 2007, 05:25 PM

Because of the scene when Jack was shown sleeping before a coming storm, no?

Yeah that and the fact Jack mentioned about a lightning killing 42 sheeps I think.

tpe · « **Reply #314 on:** Feb 27, 2007, 06:05 PM »

Quote from: JT on Feb 27, 2007, 05:46 PM

Yeah that and the fact Jack mentioned about a lightning killing 42 sheeps I think.

Excellent. That part momentarily slipped off my mind...

welshwitch · « **Reply #315 on:** Feb 28, 2007, 01:57 PM »

OT but I wonder how one lightning strike could kill 42 sheep? Or were there 42 strikes? And what a weirdly precise figure.

ksxks · « **Reply #316 on:** Feb 28, 2007, 07:42 PM »

Maybe he was just trying to impress the new boy with his mathematical prowess and big words (asphyxiate).

kathy

tpe · « **Reply #317 on:** Mar 01, 2007, 08:51 AM »

Quote from: ksxks on Feb 28, 2007, 07:42 PM

Maybe he was just trying to impress the new boy with his mathematical prowess and big words (asphyxiate).

kathy

I was quite surprised when he used that word.

Something about mention of lit in that scene, along with its appearance in the one showing Jack sleeping, as well as in the hailstorm scene, do seem to connect lightning with all this. It's almost a symbol no? What does it mean? The fickleness of fortune/fate? The ever-present threat that loomed over them even in the Mountain?

welshwitch · « **Reply #318 on:** Mar 01, 2007, 12:03 PM »

The unpredictablility and incontrollability of the forces of nature?

Lightning strikes are often used as metaphors for the effect of suddenly falling in love - in French the "coup de foudre".

And then Jack comes from Lightning Flat, a name I don't entirely understand.

Holden Worther · « **Reply #319 on:** Mar 01, 2007, 07:24 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Mar 01, 2007, 08:51 AM

I was quite surprised when he used that word.

Something about mention of lit in that scene, along with its appearance in the one showing Jack sleeping, as well as in the hailstorm scene, do seem to connect lightning with all this. It's almost a symbol no? What does it mean? The fickleness of fortune/fate? The ever-present threat that loomed over them even in the Mountain?

hahaha....fickle

ksxks · « **Reply #320 on:** Mar 01, 2007, 11:37 PM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Mar 01, 2007, 12:03 PM

The unpredictablility and incontrollability of the forces of nature?

Lightning strikes are often used as metaphors for the effect of suddenly falling in love - in French the "coup de foudre".

And then Jack comes from Lightning Flat, a name I don't entirely understand.

Yes! Not only lightning, a force of nature, but Lightning Flat -- fascinating. And it is an odd name, isn't it? Lightning doesn't go with Flat...and it would more commonly be Flats I think.

LF is on the border of Montana. Ennis is from Sage, on the border of Idaho. They came together in the middle.

kathy

welshwitch · « **Reply #321 on:** Mar 02, 2007, 10:52 AM »

Diametrically opposed in geographical origin as they are in character and destiny?

tpe · « **Reply #322 on:** Mar 02, 2007, 11:26 AM »

Yes, lightning does seem to figure in the scenes ans well as place names. It is not so uncommon in the Midwest, where great thunderstorms form in the Great plains. But it is also very symbolic.

edgar · « **Reply #323 on:** Mar 03, 2007, 05:19 AM »

I think the lightning imagery is mostly associated with Jack: he was there the previous summer when the lightning struck; he's from Lightning Flat. (May be a stretch, but the word "flat" also can indicate speed--"He ran the distance in 30 seconds flat.")

This all perhaps recalls Proulx's description of Jack as having a "quicksilver" quality to him.

Lightning and "quicksilver" (mercury): changing, shiny, unpredictable, always moving...

ksxks · « **Reply #324 on:** Mar 03, 2007, 09:58 PM »

Edgar, that is great! Jack...quicksilver...lightning. And flat. Excellent.

kathy

manhattangirl · « **Reply #325 on:** Mar 04, 2007, 09:13 AM »

Mirrors-I know this must have been pointed out before. Jack was staring in the mirror while he was shaving when they were waiting for Aguirre to arrive, what was he thinking then? And the summer ended. Jack was driving away from Ennis, he looked in his rear view mirror, looking at Ennis from a distance. No question about what he was thinking then.

lamusica · « **Reply #326 on:** Mar 04, 2007, 12:16 PM »

Poetically, mirrors have always meant the thing reflected in the mirror is just a shadow-image of the real thing. I think this applies to Ennis in the mirror of Jack's truck when Jack pulls away to leave BBM. Ennis, as viewed in the mirror, is losing his substance to Jack. Ennis is becoming more and more unreal as his image recedes in the mirror until he will have disappeared completely. That's when the real heartbreak sets in. We don't see Jack break down, as Ennis does, but we can imagine how difficult it was for Jack to see Ennis fade away -- maybe never to be seen again.

manhattangirl · « **Reply #327 on:** Mar 04, 2007, 01:16 PM »

Quote from: lamusica on Mar 04, 2007, 12:16 PM

Poetically, mirrors have always meant the thing reflected in the mirror is just a shadow-image of the real thing. I think this applies to Ennis in the mirror of Jack's truck when Jack pulls away to leave BBM. Ennis, as viewed in the mirror, is losing his substance to Jack. Ennis is becoming more and more unreal as his image recedes in the mirror until he will have disappeared completely. That's when the real heartbreak sets in. We don't see Jack break down, as Ennis does, but we can imagine how difficult it was for Jack to see Ennis fade away -- maybe never to be seen again.

Every time I think of kicking Ennis to the curb, I read posts like yours. When Ennis breaks down, I have to remember, that this man alway had a depth of feeling that is so easily missed. You see how cruel he could be by the way he treats Jack. But then you have to understand, that he did indeed love him, more than he himself realized, and Jack took more of Ennis with him then he understood.

ethan · « **Reply #328 on:** Mar 04, 2007, 06:05 PM »

Even turkey makes me think of BBM, peanuts too.

What the movie shows is just many of our daily lives. There is no way to escape the movie and I don't want to escape.

tpe · « **Reply #329 on:** Mar 05, 2007, 09:44 AM »

Quote from: ksxks on Mar 03, 2007, 09:58 PM

Edgar, that is great! Jack...quicksilver...lightning. And flat. Excellent.

kathy

I agree, kathy. Thanks, Edgar!

Author Topic: Symbols you will forever associate with BBM scenes (Read 268054 times)

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