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It's been about 2 years since I first read Brokeback Mountain, and tonight I finally got to see the movie I've been anticipating almost that long.  I'm hoping I didn't set my expectations too high, because the short story affected me deeply.  I've probably read it a dozen times at least, and I fear I sat through the movie judging it against the book.  But, I'll wait for the "boomerang effect" so many people describe before making a final judgment.

My first disappointment in the movie was the failure to develop the emotional intimacy Jack and Ennis shared even before they ever had sex.  The book makes clear Ennis's emotional transformation in Jack's company with the line, "Ennis, riding against the wind back to the sheep in the treacherous, drunken light, thought he'd never had such a good time, felt he could paw the white out of the moon."  The movie does not reveal the deep friendship which was the foundation for their love the way the book does.  However, it's possible this was done purposefully to demonstrate another device in the book which would otherwise be hard to translate to film.  In the motel scene the movie instantly makes clear that they had been deeply and romatically in love (as did the kissing scene in front of Ennis's apartment) for all four years, but neither, at least not Ennis, had realized it until then.  I suppose that if Lee had depicted E & J having "the time of their lives" on Brokeback as the book does, it would not have been apparent to the audience that Ennis didn't know it at the time.

I have to give HUGE applause to the scene where Ennis threatens to kill Jack.  This is my favorite passage from the book, and I probably put more importance on Lee getting this one scene right than any other.  I had read online about Ennis's line, "Why don't you just let me be?  Because of you, Jack, that I'm like this.  Nothing.  Nowhere." That bothered me a lot, because Ennis's silent response to Jack's emotional outburst (in the book) was the one shot Lee HAD to get perfect, and he apparently completely changed it.  HOWEVER, I was not IN THE LEAST disappointed. Ennis's complete emotional breakdown, his anguish, his attempt to push the consoling Jack away, finally clinging to Jack's comforting arms, speak volumes more about Ennis's internal turmoil than Annie Proulx had been able to express in those two paragraphs, and as I said, that is my FAVORITE part of the book.  McMurtry, Ossana and Lee had a VERY high hurdle to clear, and they NAILED it. 

I leave it there for now, until the movie has had more time to sink in.  Anybody else have any thoughts on how the book and movie measure up to one another?

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Re: Compare/contrast the book vs. the movie. ***SPOILERS***
« Reply #1 on: Jan 22, 2006, 09:58 AM »
My experience is the opposite of yours.  I saw the movie for the first time last week, then again yesterday.  Afterwards, I went straight to the bookstore and bought the short story and proceeded to read it.

I agree that the movie does not portray the deep friendship between the two men as conveyed in the book.  In retrospect, it feels as if the movie rushed through the relationship on the mountain.  I got a much stronger feeling of what they meant to each other from the book.

If I had to decide, I would have to say I prefer the movie version.  Don't get me wrong, the book is quite powerful.  I also tend to prefer books to movie adaptations.  However, to me the movie was such a complete work of art.  The screenplay is amazing.  It is not an exact representation of the book, but takes specific scenes/events from the story and expands on them.  Whereas the book more successfully conveyed the deep friendship on the mountain, the movie revealed more about the men themselves.  The movie offered a more complete package, from the acting, music, scenery, etc.  It was overall a more emotional experience.

I also agree that the final exchange between the two men is the best part of the movie.  Starting from the verbal exchange leading to the embrace, and then into the flashback sequence and finally back to the present time.  The touching moment when Ennis grasps onto Jack in tears, you can sense his pain and anguish.  Then contrast that to the flashback, where Ennis approaches Jack from behind and embraces him.  The scene is so tender and you can sense that they have no cares in the world, just a deep love and friendship.  Pure innocence and youth.  It ends with Ennis riding off on his horse.  This is then contrasted back to the present time.  We see Jacks face and its obviously aged and pained.  He watches as Ennis drives away this time.  The power of this moment speaks volumes to me.  The love transformed from carefree innocence to painful devotion.

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Re: Compare/contrast the book vs. the movie. ***SPOILERS***
« Reply #2 on: Jan 22, 2006, 02:48 PM »
Another thing I missed in the translation was how Ennis called Jack "little darlin'" at their reunion, a term of affection he usually reserved for his horses and daughters.  Before seeing the movie, I imagined Ennis would use the phrase for his horse a few times on the mountain, then again with his daughters, and then on the landing at the apartment with Jack, and I thought it would have made quite a powerful impact. 

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« Reply #3 on: Jan 22, 2006, 02:51 PM »
Another thing I missed in the translation was how Ennis called Jack "little darlin'" at their reunion, a term of affection he usually reserved for his horses and daughters.  Before seeing the movie, I imagined Ennis would use the phrase for his horse a few times on the mountain, then again with his daughters, and then on the landing at the apartment with Jack, and I thought it would have made quite a powerful impact. 

I think because in the book they would explain how what it meant to Ennis to say that it worked, but in the movie it wouldn't have.

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Re: Compare/contrast the book vs. the movie. ***SPOILERS***
« Reply #4 on: Jan 22, 2006, 09:54 PM »
I think that's what I like about the movie best. It's so damn faithful, but leaves a few things just for the written story. The story soars with some of its prose that's not present in the movie, and the movie soars with things not in the story... and there's only just enough of those differences to give each its own unique "flavor".

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« Reply #5 on: Jan 24, 2006, 12:24 AM »
Another thing I missed in the translation was how Ennis called Jack "little darlin'" at their reunion, a term of affection he usually reserved for his horses and daughters.  Before seeing the movie, I imagined Ennis would use the phrase for his horse a few times on the mountain, then again with his daughters, and then on the landing at the apartment with Jack, and I thought it would have made quite a powerful impact. 

I think because in the book they would explain how what it meant to Ennis to say that it worked, but in the movie it wouldn't have.


I have to disagree.  All we would need is to hear Ennis, who never says much of anything, call his horses and his girls "little darlin'" a couple of times, and the impact of calling Jack by the same endearment would have been more powerful than even in the book.


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Another thing I just realized...  Jack says, "Sometimes I miss you so much I can't stand it," when in the book he says he misses Ennis enough to "make him whip babies."  Another example of Proulx's harsh prose that didn't make the final cut.

Oh well.  If wishes were fishes, we'd all be swimming.  BBM is still the closest-to-perfect adaptation of any written word to the screen I've ever seen.  Ossana and McMurtry are a LOCK for Best Adapted Screenplay, if BBM doesn't receive any other Oscars.

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« Reply #6 on: Jan 24, 2006, 09:01 AM »
Here are a few examples where the movie matches or exceeds the beauty of the original prose story.  I quote from the online version.  I will also concentrate on scenes preceeding the first love scene.

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Ennis and Jack, the dogs, horses and mules, a thousand ewes and their lambs flowed up the trail like dirty water through the timber and out above the tree line into the great flowery Meadows and the coursing, endless wind.

My Comments: Ang Lee's lyrical cinematography captures the ascent up the mountain most wonderfully.

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During the day Ennis looked across a great gulf and sometimes saw Jack, a small dot moving across a high meadow as an insect moves across a tablecloth; Jack, in his dark camp, saw Ennis as night fire, a red spark on the huge black mass of mountain.

My Comments:  Exquisitely realized in the movie.  Ennis' campfire is seen by Jack, and a comforted smile lights his face.  Ennis washing the coffee pot by the stream and eyes Jack, a little moving speck against the backdrop of mountain and ominous clouds.

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"Tell you what, you got a get up a dozen times in the night out there over them coyotes. Happy to switch but give you warnin I can't cook worth a shit. Pretty good with a can opener."

My Comments: I cite this passage specifically for the wonderful faux-pas from Gyllenhaal in a later scene when he fails to pry open the can of beans cleanly and ends up spattering himself with tomato sauce.  This is a faux-pas because THE SCREENPLAY GIVES NO INDICATION THAT GYLLENHAAL IS TO DO THIS.  Gyllenhaal must have been caught entirely off guard by this mistake, but his all-too-candid reaction (captured beautifully on screen) gives the entire scene an air of light humour and priceless sponteneity that improves on both text and screenplay.

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"Well, I'm goin a warsh everthing I can reach," he said, pulling off his boots and jeans (no drawers, no socks, Jack noticed), slopping the green washcloth around until the fire spat.

My Comments: As I mentioned elsewhere, Gyllenhaal's portrayal of Jack in this scene -- a gulp coursing down his throat, the subtle tightening of the jaw, and trying SO SO hard not to look full-face at a naked Ennis -- is one of his best moments in the entire film.

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They had a high-time supper by the fire, a can of beans each, fried potatoes and a quart of whiskey on shares, sat with their backs against a log, boot soles and copper jeans rivets hot, swapping the bottle while the lavender sky emptied of color and the chill air drained down, drinking, smoking cigarettes, getting up every now and then to piss, firelight throwing a sparkle in the arched stream, tossing sticks on the fire to keep the talk going, talking horses and rodeo, roughstock events, wrecks and injuries sustained, the submarine Thresher lost two months earlier with all hands and how it must have been in the last doomed minutes, dogs each had owned and known, the draft, Jack's home ranch where his father and mother held on, Ennis's family place folded years ago after his folks died, the older brother in Signal and a married sister in Casper. Jack said his father had been a pretty well known bullrider years back but kept his secrets to himself, never gave Jack a word of advice, never came once to see Jack ride, though he had put him on the woolies when he was a little kid. Ennis said 3
the kind of riding that interested him lasted longer than eight seconds and had some point to it. Money's a good point, said Jack, and Ennis had to agree. They were respectful of each other's opinions, each glad to have a companion where none had been expected.

My Comments: The screenplay, of course, abbreviates the subjects both men discuss in this scene.  The talk revolves exclusively around Jack's unhappiness with his father, and Ennis' sad upbringing.  But the screenplay adds the wonderful exchange beginning with Jack saying 'Friend, that's more words you've said in two weeks...' [my paraphrase].  In this exchange, you see -- for the first time -- looks of very deep affection exchanged by the two men.  The 'rodeo scene' that concludes this sequence in the screenplay is indeed very light and quicksilver -- it enforces the ever deepening familiarity and affection the two have for each other.

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Ennis knew the salty words to "Strawberry Roan." Jack tried a Carl Perkins song, bawling "what I say-ay-ay," but he favored a sad hymn, "Water-Walking Jesus," learned from his mother who believed in the Pentecost, that he sang at dirge slowness, setting off distant coyote yips.

My Comments: The screenplay version and movie realization of this scene is priceless.  The wonderful tune of "Water-Walking Jesus" (composed by Larry McMurtry's son, I believe) is gorgeous, and Gyllenhaal's earnest and raspy rendition is very apt indeed.  Finally, the 'Pentecost' screenplay additions are wonderful.  The last line declaimed by Ledger: 'You may be a sinner, but I ain't had the opportunity' [again, my paraphrase]  leads directly into the first love scene, injecting an underlying element of the 'forbidden' and 'sin' against the backdrop of the first realization of physical love.


Feel free to comment on the above.  I do feel, though, that the bond between the two men were indeed successfully developed in the initial scenes on Brokeback Mountain -- but in a way that is very subtle and exquisitely understated.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 24, 2006, 11:25 AM »
wow..tpe, that's great... I have to go for my 3rd viewing....

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« Reply #8 on: Jan 25, 2006, 11:59 AM »
wow..tpe, that's great... I have to go for my 3rd viewing....

Thanks tweric.  I really think there are so many subtleties in this movie.  It takes a while to take everything in, even after multiple viewings... :)

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Re: Compare/contrast the book vs. the movie. ***SPOILERS***
« Reply #9 on: Jan 25, 2006, 03:19 PM »
I like the development of the relationship with Ennis' daughters in the movie.  In the book, I don't get much of a sense of closeness between them, and I just think it works really well in the movie.  It balances Ennis' character and choices.  Plus the last scene was so beautiful with alma jr.

To be honest, I do like the "prettying" up of the cowboys in the movie vs the short story.  It may not be the truest thing - but mmmm.

Yeah, I'd like to have heard the "little darlin" and "whip babies" lines.  But would they have worked as beautifully as they did in the short story ???

Oh, they're both perfection in their own way.

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« Reply #10 on: Jan 26, 2006, 08:26 PM »
I just read the story. I had read it years ago and did not think much of it in fact, it was not a short story that I really cared about one way or anohter.
I have to say that IF I had read the story FIRST I might not have gone to see the movie.For me the story is not nearly as gold as the movie. Heath Ennis and the rest of the characters were just too down and out, and it was sll so depressing and uncouth.
I guess in my mind readjng the story I pictured these two cowboys as unkept old geezers
The other thing is a ls some of what was in the story was not in the movie, such as the FIL dying .No biggie but it did take me on  another course earlier.
Bottom line I love the movie, still cannot stop thinking about it, but the story, well it was really not for me.
i think I needed the beauty of these two guys to get me going,and then fall in love with this wonderful film.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 26, 2006, 08:36 PM »
I agree with you.

In the story it's true, they are rather unappealing, vulgar, homely, unattractive to say the least; not really the type of boys to whom you would give much attention. But then there was Heath Ledger an Jake Gyllenhaal - not quite the same is it?.

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« Reply #12 on: Jan 26, 2006, 08:38 PM »
Had you read the story before the movie?

I think the reason this movie is making it big is because the guys are such HUNKS !

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« Reply #13 on: Jan 27, 2006, 06:36 AM »
Had you read the story before the movie?

I think the reason this movie is making it big is because the guys are such HUNKS !

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no, read it after, in English, and like the movie, the French translation leaves a little to be desired. The French translation here is horrible - ridiculous accents, inappropriate vocabulary , poor dubbing (lip movement and words don't match, etc)

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« Reply #14 on: Jan 27, 2006, 08:49 AM »
I love both.  As I mentioned in another thread, the story is more visceral than the movie, but the movie struck me as more lyrical.

natalia had noted in a separate thread that there appears to be some sort of progression in the stories of the collection 'Close Range'.  Although some of the stories were initially published separately, one is indeed struck by the sequencing of the collection.  'Brokeback Mountain' is of course, the final story.  In my opinion, it is a fitting end to the collection, as it combines raw power and lyricism in a way that comes as a summation of many themes in the other stories.

But both story and movie stand by themselves.  They can be appreciated for both the subtle differences as well as the faithful compatibilities...
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 27, 2006, 09:05 AM »


But both story and movie stand by themselves.  They can be appreciated for both the subtle differences as well as the faithful compatibilities...
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Yes . To me though the movie was much more beautiful in all ways.
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 27, 2006, 09:11 AM »


But both story and movie stand by themselves.  They can be appreciated for both the subtle differences as well as the faithful compatibilities...
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Yes . To me though the movie was much more beautiful in all ways.
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The movie is indeed VERY poetic, particularly in those scenes where not a single word is even said or exchanged.

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« Reply #17 on: Jan 28, 2006, 01:07 AM »
I would say that the first time I saw the movie, I largely missed any indication that Jack and Ennis were developing more than a casual friendship prior to that first tent love scene. I know Oprah made the same observation in her interview with the cast earlier today. And so that scene comes as something of a shock to some viewers. I needed to read the story to get a better picture of their developing mutual trust and affection. I think the movie's screenplay does more to highlight their previous sense of loneliness and isolation, part of the driving force that brings them together emotionally.( I should note here that I have not yet had the opportunity to read the screenplay, I am merely speculating from what i observed on the screen.)
I also loved the story's depiction of their singing to each other and the beautiful touch of Jack's singing setting off coyote yips, and I miss that in the movie. Of course this is very minor quibbling, and besides, maybe  Ledger can't sing well enough to pull it off, and a dubbed in voice DEFINITELYwould not work.
But I'm also blown away by the degree to which both the story AND the movie invite and even demand close reading/viewing to really appreciate all the nuances and the craftsmanship on display.VERY,VERY powerful stuff!! And so I note with relish the points tpe made above, and will be watching for these nuances the next time I see the movie.
BTW, at this time I am anticipating that will be when the DVD becomes available. I need to take an emotional breather for now. UNLESSof course some friend tries to convince me otherwise. -Go ahead (jack) twist my arm!! ::)
 
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Re: Compare/contrast the book vs. the movie. ***SPOILERS***
« Reply #18 on: Jan 28, 2006, 02:02 AM »
It's been about 2 years since I first read Brokeback Mountain, and tonight I finally got to see the movie I've been anticipating almost that long.  I'm hoping I didn't set my expectations too high, because the short story affected me deeply.  I've probably read it a dozen times at least, and I fear I sat through the movie judging it against the book.  But, I'll wait for the "boomerang effect" so many people describe before making a final judgment.


Walford.  Good post.  I saw the movie first, was stunned, saw it again, and ordered book and screenplay (with essays by Annie, McM and Ossana) as fast as UPS cd get them to me.  I don't go to movies, and never even saw a screenplay.  I now know them in much detail.

Which has led to some pages of notes as I try to work out why the movie/story is whacking away at me at so many points. 

One result is a list of comparisons that I found more important (with page numbers LOL).  I'll refine them and get back.
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Re: Compare/contrast the book vs. the movie. ***SPOILERS***
« Reply #19 on: Feb 12, 2006, 02:53 PM »

I agree that the story and screenplay each stand on their own merits, one is not better than the other. 

I read the story first. I agree that the personality development was different in each.

The film was not as "explicit" as the story in the sex scenes (that I thought were in *no way* pornographic in the first place) and I struggle with the screen writers' motivation for leaving that out. The story to screenplay book gave no hint of an explanation and I suspect, neither will the DVD interviews. I speak further about this in the "Gun's goin' off" thread and will in others.

After my first showing, I left the theater with mixed feelings. I had to see it again to see if I missed anything. I didn't, it simply isn't there.

Although I will add the DVD to my collection, I felt disappointed when I left the theater both times and that is why I advise everyone to see the film first and then buy the short story in order to "fill in the blanks."

I wish the film all the best with AMPAS but it and the short story are definitely 2 different works of art.
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« Reply #20 on: Feb 16, 2006, 10:26 AM »
The book is Ennis, the movie is Jack. 

They complement each other - the book is spare, of few words, but well chosen words that say a lot.  The book lies there, its depths not apparent until you open it up, and then you see what pain it contains, and what love it has known;  the movie comes right up to you, arms open, and says "Tell you what, here's what happened on Brokeback." -- it wears a wide grin, speaks clearly, and surrounds you with emotion.

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« Reply #21 on: Feb 16, 2006, 12:51 PM »
The book is Ennis, the movie is Jack. 

They complement each other - the book is spare, of few words, but well chosen words that say a lot.  The book lies there, its depths not apparent until you open it up, and then you see what pain it contains, and what love it has known;  the movie comes right up to you, arms open, and says "Tell you what, here's what happened on Brokeback." -- it wears a wide grin, speaks clearly, and surrounds you with emotion.

Know what I mean?

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Re: Compare/contrast the book vs. the movie. ***SPOILERS***
« Reply #22 on: Feb 16, 2006, 01:05 PM »
I would say that the first time I saw the movie, I largely missed any indication that Jack and Ennis were developing more than a casual friendship prior to that first tent love scene. I know Oprah made the same observation in her interview with the cast earlier today. And so that scene comes as something of a shock to some viewers.

Well, to me it was loud and clear from the first moment the two laid eyes on each other that there was a major sexual spark--and it just escalated from there. The first scene of them waiting to speak to Aquirre is nothing less than a master class in good ol' fashioned cruising. The sexual tension between the two of them is thick enough to cut with Jack's straight-edge razor. Especially on Jack's side, the cruising is pretty blatant -- that first long stare/glare of his, then the peeking at Ennis in the mirror as he shaves, etc. Ennis notices all this--he reacts shyly, looking down all the time, as though afraid to have a look himself. In addition, from this moment until the first tent scene, there are innumberable sexual innuendoes through inflection and body language. With all that, I was surprised the frst sexual encounter didn't happener *sooner*.

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« Reply #23 on: Feb 16, 2006, 03:06 PM »
I wonder sometimes how people miss the connections that are being made between these two men, because I've only ever heard that comment from some straight people.  I wonder if the way that men connect, flirt, send signals, whatever you call it, is just not as familiar - because it should be.  It's how husbands and fathers and boyfriends communicate; it's how straight people do it.  The main difference is that, if you're gonna be killed for it, you tend to 1) make the gestures as unobtrusive and ambiguous as possible and 2) read a LOT into the things you see from others. 

I've also heard that the first part of the film is "slow", or that it's just "pretty scenery and working with sheep" and then BAM the tent scene.  Frankly, the book presents it just as abruptly, and there is that element of "what the hell is happening here?!" for both Ennis and Jack.  That came across well in the way they embrace, then bolt apart, then grasp each other, fumbling with clothes, and then, after the sex, promptly pass out til the next morning.  But that didn't come out of nowhere.

Notice in the film how Ennis responds to each of Jack's openings - his introduction, his jab about "did your folks just stop at Ennis", his invitation to a drink, his questions about Ennis's family.  And yet, because it's all new to him, he responds as he might to any other ranch hand who was outgoing - minimally.

Then notice how they interact on the mountain - Ennis has found someone who understands hard work, privation, and the struggle to stay afloat and improve yourself.  He begins to watch Jack more carefully - by the fire, as Jack rides off to the sheep, as Jack tends sheep on the mountain -- even from far away, Ennis is watching.  The looks they give each other get longer (Jack's always being more intense and longer-held.)

Then the real tipping point - Jack asks about Ennis's family by the fireside, and Ennis tells the whole story.  Jack is stunned.  He simply stares at Ennis, until Ennis says "What?", and then replies "Friend, that's the most words you've spoken in two weeks."  Ennis's very telling reply:  "That's the most words I've spoken in a year."  Opening up to a new friend, bonding, right there in front of you.

Following this is Ennis's first real overture to Jack - a subtle dig at Jack's chosen 'profession' of rodeoing. "My daddy used to say them rodeo riders is all f***-ups" - a comment which stymies Jack, who responds with "the hell they are!"  Ennis drags it out further, apparently enjoying pulling Jack's leg, until Jack realizes what Ennis is doing.  He then does his "rodeo f***up" imitation to Ennis' GREAT amusement - his first real smile -. 

We could add into this some other moments, all subtle, but then they are there in the film for a reason, right?
1) Ennis describing the wolf with balls as big as apples
2) Ennis bathing naked six feet from Jack
3) Jack repeatedly wishing they could be together in the camp
4) Ennis admitting that he'd 'not yet had the opportunity'
5) Ennis's teasing about Jack's harmonica skills
6) Jack sharing how he felt his father had ignored him

From my point of view, they spent that summer first becoming friends, "finding companionship where none had been expected", then Jack, the more adventurous, feeling it was safe to take a chance, did.  Ennis acted on the moment, in the tent, but then quickly returned. He maintained the "one time thing" for the rest of the summer.  For Ennis, this is a profound change - he has found not only companionship with a man who understands him, but love with a man who WANTS him.  NOTHING in his life has prepared him for this, so on top of the natural horniness that might have led to something very different in the tent, he feels the touch of another man, and the affection that man feels for him.  It's a powerful combination.

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He pressed his face into the fabric and breathed in slowly through his mouth and nose, hoping for the faintest smoke and mountain sage and salty sweet stink of Jack but there was no real scent, only the memory of it, the imagined power of Brokeback Mountain of which nothing was left but what he held in his hands. Make the pledge! Go Back to Brokeback whenever, however you can. Join the BTB Project.

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Re: Compare/contrast the book vs. the movie. ***SPOILERS***
« Reply #24 on: Feb 16, 2006, 06:35 PM »
I wonder sometimes how people miss the connections that are being made between these two men, because I've only ever heard that comment from straight people.  I wonder if the way that men connect, flirt, send signals, whatever you call it, is just not as familiar - because it should be.  It's how husbands and fathers, and boyfriends communicate; it's how straight people do it.
I don't understand how people have missed the connections, also.  During the scene where Jack decides to shave before asking about the job, when he looked in the truck's rear-view mirror, and adjusted it to see Ennis better, I heard a whipsered, "Aha..." from my husband, indicating, to me, that he knew exactly what Jack was doing, and that it had nothing to do with shaving.  It was what a straight guy would do if he saw a woman he was interested in.  So either the people that you've heard that comment from are lying, or are really clueless about being subtle in their actions when interested in someone.  I hope I don't sound accusatory; that's not my intention at all.  It's just hard to believe that someone can miss the clues indicating a sexual interest.

Then notice how they interact on the mountain - Ennis has found someone who understand hard work, privation, and the struggle to stay afloat and improve yourself.  He begins to watch Jack more carefully - by the fire, as Jack rides off to the sheep, as Jack tends sheep on the mountain -- even from far away, Ennis is watching.  The looks they give each other get longer (Jack's always being more intense and longer-held.)

Then the real tipping point - Jack asks about Ennis's family by the fireside, and Ennis tells the whole story.  Jack is stunned.  He simply stares at Ennis, until Ennis says "What?", and then replies "Friend, that's the most words you've spoken in two weeks."  Ennis's very telling reply:  "That's the most words I've spoken in a year.  Opening up to a new friend, bonding, right there in front of you.

Following this is Ennis's first real overture to Jack - a subtle dig at Jack's chosen 'profession' of rodeoing. "My daddy used to say them rodeo riders is all f***-ups" - a comment which stymies Jack, who responds with "the hell they are!"  Ennis drags it out further, apparently enjoying pulling Jack's leg, until Jack realizes what Ennis is doing.  He then does his "rodeo f***up" imitation to Ennis' GREAT amusement - his first real smile -. 

We could add into this some other moments, all subtle, but then they are there in the film for a reason, right?
1) Ennis describing the wolf with balls as big as apples
2) Ennis bathing naked six feet from Jack
3) Jack repeatedly wishing they could be together in the camp
4) Ennis admitting that he'd 'not yet had the opportunity'
5) Ennis's teasing about Jack's harmonica skills
6) Jack sharing how he felt his father had ignored him

From my point of view, they spent that summer first becoming friends, "finding companionship where none had been expected", then Jack, the more adventurous, feeling it was safe to take a chance, did.  Ennis acted on the moment, but then quickly returned to maintain the "one time thing" for the rest of the summer.  For Ennis, this is a profound change - he has found not only companionship with a man who understands him, but love with a man who WANTS him.  NOTHING in his life has prepared him for this, so on top of the natural horniness that might have led to something very different in the tent, he feels the touch of another man, and the affection that man feels for him.  It's a powerful combination.

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Wonderful analysis, btb.  Thank you.

In fact, I can't imagine what it would be like to have seen the movie without reading the stroy.

Hubby and I saw "Proof" starring Jakey last night and besides observing how gorgeous he is (hubs has no qualms about doing that, which is rather unusual for a straight guy), hubs made a comment about BBM and Jack (hell if I can remember what it was specifically) to which I answered that it was in the story. It made me realize how much the story helps to fill in the movie, and vice versa. Maybe that's why I can't remember what he asked/said, because the realization that movie and story complement one another so well was really like a revelation, and that there is something missing if you don't have both pieces. Like Ennis and Jack.
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Re: Compare/contrast the book vs. the movie. ***SPOILERS***
« Reply #25 on: Feb 16, 2006, 10:05 PM »
<SNIP>
Following this is Ennis's first real overture to Jack - a subtle dig at Jack's chosen 'profession' of rodeoing. "My daddy used to say them rodeo riders is all f***-ups" - a comment which stymies Jack, who responds with "the hell they are!"  Ennis drags it out further, apparently enjoying pulling Jack's leg, until Jack realizes what Ennis is doing.  He then does his "rodeo f***up" imitation to Ennis' GREAT amusement - his first real smile -. 

1) Ennis describing the wolf with balls as big as apples

4) Ennis admitting that he'd 'not yet had the opportunity'

5) Ennis's teasing about Jack's harmonica skills

<SNIP>

-backtobrokeback

Thank you for expanding on my point, btb, about all the many early signals of the Inevitable. Ennis's overtures are largely delivered via humor (such as the examples above you mention), because it's the only way he knows how to express his attraction at this juncture. His teasing is very sexy ... to me, at least.  ;).

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Re: Compare/contrast the book vs. the movie. ***SPOILERS***
« Reply #26 on: Feb 16, 2006, 10:07 PM »
<SNIP>
Following this is Ennis's first real overture to Jack - a subtle dig at Jack's chosen 'profession' of rodeoing. "My daddy used to say them rodeo riders is all f***-ups" - a comment which stymies Jack, who responds with "the hell they are!"  Ennis drags it out further, apparently enjoying pulling Jack's leg, until Jack realizes what Ennis is doing.  He then does his "rodeo f***up" imitation to Ennis' GREAT amusement - his first real smile -. 

1) Ennis describing the wolf with balls as big as apples

4) Ennis admitting that he'd 'not yet had the opportunity'

5) Ennis's teasing about Jack's harmonica skills

<SNIP>

-backtobrokeback

Thank you for expanding on my point, btb, about all the many early signals of the Inevitable. Ennis's overtures are largely delivered via humor (such as the examples above you mention), because it's the only way he knows how to express his attraction at this juncture. His teasing is very sexy ... to me, at least.  ;).

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Re: Compare/contrast the book vs. the movie. ***SPOILERS***
« Reply #27 on: Feb 17, 2006, 02:28 AM »
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His teasing is very sexy ... to me, at least.
And that's the understatement of the year!

It's warm and honest teasing - it's explorative, tentative, and for him, (despite it being a familiar mode of approach to people) a real risk-taking adventure.  He has no idea how Jack, a stranger, will react, but he feels comfortable around Jack, and that's a new feeling for him.  Jack does the same with his harmonica playing - it may not sound good, but it gets Ennis goin'.  Notice the big grin he gives (which Ennis can't even see) while Ennis is fixing the tent and griping about the broken harmonica.

He pressed his face into the fabric and breathed in slowly through his mouth and nose, hoping for the faintest smoke and mountain sage and salty sweet stink of Jack but there was no real scent, only the memory of it, the imagined power of Brokeback Mountain of which nothing was left but what he held in his hands. Make the pledge! Go Back to Brokeback whenever, however you can. Join the BTB Project.

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Re: Compare/contrast the book vs. the movie. ***SPOILERS***
« Reply #28 on: Feb 17, 2006, 03:36 PM »
There's a point in the story that I like  very much (among others)
It's during the reunion, when they're speaking to Alma:
Jack  and Ennis touch each other hands and feel like an electric shock,
and  Jack is described as looking like an exahusted horse, trembling so hard that Ennis can feel it..
I love that scene in the movie...but I would like they had kept it exactly as the one in the story.

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If someone was so kind to post that part of the story (I have the italian version) I'll be grateful to him/her for ever.

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Re: Compare/contrast the book vs. the movie. ***SPOILERS***
« Reply #29 on: Feb 17, 2006, 04:16 PM »
P.S.
If someone was so kind to post that part of the story (I have the italian version) I'll be grateful to him/her for ever.

The door opened again a few inches and Alma stood in the narrow light.

What could he say? "Alma, this is Jack Twist, Jack, my wife Alma." His chest was heaving. He could smell Jack -- the intensely familiar odor of cigarettes, musky sweat and a faint sweetness like grass, and with it the rushing cold of the mountain. "Alma," he said, "Jack and me ain't seen each other in four years." As if it were a reason. He was glad the light was dim on the landing but did not turn away from her.

"Sure enough," said Alma in a low voice. She had seen what she had seen. Behind her in the room lightning lit the window like a white sheet waving and the baby cried.

"You got a kid?" said Jack. His shaking hand grazed Ennis's hand, electrical current snapped between them.

"Two little girls," Ennis said. "Alma Jr. and Francine. Love them to pieces." Alma's mouth twitched.

"I got a boy," said Jack. "Eight months old. Tell you what, I married a cute little old Texas girl down in Childress -- Lureen." From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking.

"Alma," he said. "Jack and me is goin out and get a drink. Might not get back tonight, we get drinkin and talkin."

"Sure enough," Alma said, taking a dollar bill from her pocket. Ennis guessed she was going to ask him to get her a pack of cigarettes, bring him back sooner.

"Please to meet you," said Jack, trembling like a run-out horse.

"Ennis -- " said Alma in her misery voice, but that didn't slow him down on the stairs and he called back, "Alma, you want smokes there's some in the pocket a my blue shirt in the bedroom."
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