Brokeback Mountain Forum @ ennisjack.com
The Movie & Story => Characters, Quotes & Scenes => Topic started by: Toadily on Jan 05, 2006, 07:05 PM
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I know Proulx makes up names that aren't really out there, like in Shipping News, but are
Ennis, alma and Lureen real names of people in the world?
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Ennis is Irish...From the name of a town in Ireland.
Alma is English...Modern name meaning either "nourishing" from Latin or "the soul" from Spanish.
Lureen comes from the English name Lauren...From the Roman cognomen Laurentius, which meant "of Laurentum". Laurentum was a city in ancient Italy, its name probably deriving from Latin laurus "laurel". Saint Laurence was a 3rd-century deacon and martyr from Rome. According to tradition he was roasted alive on a gridiron because, when ordered to hand over the church's treasures, he presented the sick and poor.
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Ennis is Irish...From the name of a town in Ireland.
Alma is English...Modern name meaning either "nourishing" from Latin or "the soul" from Spanish.
Lureen comes from the English name Lauren...From the Roman cognomen Laurentius, which meant "of Laurentum". Laurentum was a city in ancient Italy, its name probably deriving from Latin laurus "laurel". Saint Laurence was a 3rd-century deacon and martyr from Rome. According to tradition he was roasted alive on a gridiron because, when ordered to hand over the church's treasures, he presented the sick and poor.
Cool, thanks for posting this. do you know if people out there have these names? I guess I can google and see!
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I looked and it appears there are people named Lureen but not Alma or Ennis, there are a lot
of US cities called Ennis, even in Texas!
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Ennis is a very rare male name, it is not used anymore,there are a few people (male and female) born in the 20s/30s, early 40s who were called Ennis and who are still around. There are some people who have Ennis as their surnames!
Same for Alma.
Lureen is non-existent...well i cannot find it being used!
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I have an aunt (in Kentucky) named Loreen, but never heard of Lureen. Ennis is not so very uncommon in Kentucky either, but shoes and teeth are. Ha ha ha.
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I had a student whose middle name was "Alma."
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I know someone named Alma, but have never heard of another Lureen or Ennis.
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You all are a riot on this name thing...Absolutely there are folks named Lureen, Ennis and Alma...My grandmother (God rest her soul) was Mary Alma Stewart and went by Alma. It's a fairly old and Southern name. You probably won't hear of many Almas today. Ennis...that's clearly a Southern version, and yes, there is an Ennis, Texas that I drove through just last Sunday afternoon. Do I know anyone named Ennis? No, but feel certain that there are a wide variety of Ennises to be found. Lureen is yet another Southern version of Loreen, Lorene, Laureen, etc. Lureen is just a little more clinch-lipped than some of the others. These names go in cycles...For those of you who are contemplating children, here are yet three excellent examples of how you can be regularly reminded of BBM through your next generation! "Now Ennis! Pick that mess up! I don't want to have repeat myself!" "Lureen, darling, come over here and tell me about your day!" Apologies for taking humorous advantage of our open-mindedness on this forum....argh....
stationbbm
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These names go in cycles...For those of you who are contemplating children, here are yet three excellent examples of how you can be regularly reminded of BBM through your next generation! "Now Ennis! Pick that mess up! I don't want to have repeat myself!" "Lureen, darling, come over here and tell me about your day!" Apologies for taking humorous advantage of our open-mindedness on this forum....argh....
stationbbm
It is funny that you mentioned it. I have thought of using these names for my future pets. ;D
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I've always liked the name Jack, even before BBM but now I have a strange urge to name my firstborn son Ennis!
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From posters on other boards: "Ennis" is archaic gaelic (Irish) for "Island", thus "Ennis del Mar" = Island (alone) in the sea." And my god, is he ever insular, huh?
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From posters on other boards: "Ennis" is archaic gaelic (Irish) for "Island", thus "Ennis del Mar" = Island (alone) in the sea." And my god, is he ever insular, huh?
Wonderful. 'Island of the Sea'.
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Is Brokeback a real Mountain/Place?
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Is Brokeback a real Mountain/Place?
According to Proulx: no. But there is supposedly a Break Back Mountain in Wyoming whose name she used as a starting point for her own mountain.
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I can't find Brokeback Mountain on Mapquest or Google Earth. Does anyone know where it is? Also, has anyone else heard about the contest whose prize is five days and four nights at Brokeback Mountain sponsored by Wyoming Chamber of Commerce? I'd love to go there and spread my 22 year old dead kitty's (Molly) ashes...
Jim
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I can't find Brokeback Mountain on Mapquest or Google Earth. Does anyone know where it is? Also, has anyone else heard about the contest whose prize is five days and four nights at Brokeback Mountain sponsored by Wyoming Chamber of Commerce? I'd love to go there and spread my 22 year old dead kitty's (Molly) ashes...
Jim
Here is an excerpt from a Proulx interview about the subject. The interview is in the Planet Jackson Hole website:
http://www.planetjh.com/testa_2005_12_07_proulx.html
PJH: It seems there could be no other name for this story than "Brokeback Mountain" it conjures a remote, sublimely beautiful place, but it's also an ominous name, suggestive of physical harm and disfigurement. Is it a real place? How did you find the name?
AP: Brokeback is not a real place. There is, on a map I once saw, a Break Back Mountain in Wyoming which I have never seen, but the name worked on several levels and replaced half a dozen more pedestrian names I had been trying out.
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Thanks TPE!
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From posters on other boards: "Ennis" is archaic gaelic (Irish) for "Island", thus "Ennis del Mar" = Island (alone) in the sea." And my god, is he ever insular, huh?
Thankx
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Someone Argentine on IMDb said Alma is quite a common woman's name in his home country in South America as is Del Mar.
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I always thought Del Mar was a kinda wierd last name for Ennis... correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Del Mar a Spanish name?
And it doesn't look like Ennis has any Spanish in him...
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I always thought Del Mar was a kinda wierd last name for Ennis... correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Del Mar a Spanish name?
And it doesn't look like Ennis has any Spanish in him...
http://www.delmar.ca.us/
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I live in California, and Alma is a very common name among the Hispanic population.
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From posters on other boards: "Ennis" is archaic gaelic (Irish) for "Island", thus "Ennis del Mar" = Island (alone) in the sea." And my god, is he ever insular, huh?
Actually all of the name of the characters are symbollic. Like you said, Ennis Del Mar translates ino "Island in the sea" and is very descriptive of the character. As far as Jack Twist, I read an article online that the word "twist" is a bullriding/rodeo term used to describe the amount of strength a rider has in his thighs and butt to hold on to a bull. This can be interpreted several ways as to the Jack Twist character, metaphorically speaking, as to the hold he had on Ennis even after death, his tenacity and endurance of a relationship with a man that he desparately loved but could never be with more than twice a year over a 20 year span.
Alma is Spainish for "soul", I think that is especially symbollic of Alma Jr. more than her mom. Alma Jr seemed to be the only person other than Jack who really understood Ennis-his other "soul mate" if you will.
There is a film by Werner Herzog called "Don Aguirre, Wraith of God" in which Klaus Kinski played a ruthless conquerer who cares only about riches and exploits the people (I think Mayans?) as if he were a God. I don't think that it is a coincidence that this is the name Prolux gives to Joe Aguirre, Ennis and Jack's boss on BBM. Brokeback is like Eden to the two lovers and they are peaceful and happy until Aguirre sees them through his binoculars and cuts the job short, thus making them leave Eden/BBM
like a "wraithful God".
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From posters on other boards: "Ennis" is archaic gaelic (Irish) for "Island", thus "Ennis del Mar" = Island (alone) in the sea." And my god, is he ever insular, huh?
Actually all of the name of the characters are symbollic. Like you said, Ennis Del Mar translates ino "Island in the sea" and is very descriptive of the character. As far as Jack Twist, I read an article online that the word "twist" is a bullriding/rodeo term used to describe the amount of strength a rider has in his thighs and butt to hold on to a bull. This can be interpreted several ways as to the Jack Twist character, metaphorically speaking, as to the hold he had on Ennis even after death, his tenacity and endurance of a relationship with a man that he desparately loved but could never be with more than twice a year over a 20 year span.
Alma is Spainish for "soul", I think that is especially symbollic of Alma Jr. more than her mom. Alma Jr seemed to be the only person other than Jack who really understood Ennis-his other "soul mate" if you will.
There is a film by Werner Herzog called "Don Aguirre, Wraith of God" in which Klaus Kinski played a ruthless conquerer who cares only about riches and exploits the people (I think Mayans?) as if he were a God. I don't think that it is a coincidence that this is the name Prolux gives to Joe Aguirre, Ennis and Jack's boss on BBM. Brokeback is like Eden to the two lovers and they are peaceful and happy until Aguirre sees them through his binoculars and cuts the job short, thus making them leave Eden/BBM
like a "wraithful God".
Wow that is so interesting! Thank you so much, I love what you say about Alma Jr. and Aguirre's meaning is very interesting too. Do you think Annie Proulx has seen it?
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That is so perceptive. It just gets deeper and deeper...
Jim
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I don't know if Proulx has seen "Don Aguirre," she is so diverse, it would not surprise me. She is a fascinating, multi-faceted writer.
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To be frankly honest, the first time I heard the name Ennis Del Mar it made me think of a quote from The Simpsons...
Krusty the Clown: There once was a man named Ennis.
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... a limerick???
Jim
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Oh, God, no ... I shudder to think what Krusty would use to rhyme with "Ennis."
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I forgot, but somewhere on the site it tells you that the film was shot in Alberta, Canada. And somewhere else on a messageboard, i heard it was shot just outside of Calgary, Canada. Probably more places too, not sure. But im curious to find out just like all of you guys heh.
Hmm ever since this movie came out, I think people are gonna start naming they're sons & daughters Ennis, Jack, and Alma, and Lureen. Heh, how cool is that?
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Hmm ever since this movie came out, I think people are gonna start naming they're sons & daughters Ennis, Jack, and Alma, and Lureen. Heh, how cool is that?
They could do the southeastern US thing and combine the names too: Almalureen, Ennisjack.
Jim
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I forgot, but somewhere on the site it tells you that the film was shot in Alberta, Canada. And somewhere else on a messageboard, i heard it was shot just outside of Calgary, Canada. Probably more places too, not sure. But im curious to find out just like all of you guys heh.
Hmm ever since this movie came out, I think people are gonna start naming they're sons & daughters Ennis, Jack, and Alma, and Lureen. Heh, how cool is that?
Here is the TOPIC (http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=140.0) about the location of BBM. I have already heard that some even name their pets with these names.
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A little more on names... Brokeback Mountain is a fictional place. I know there has been some discussion about the name Brokeback and it's connotations and I just remember this one: The Ballad of the Sad Cafe novella by Carson Mccullers In this novel is the only other time I have heard the term brokeback. In this case it is used disparagingly toward a humpback dwarf ( who happens to be in love with the protagonists husband.
Here is what Amazon.com says: ...the title work in a collection of short stories, published in 1951. Peopled with bizarre and grotesque characters, the novella has a folkloric quality and is considered one of the author's best works. Amelia Evans, a tall and lonely woman, falls passionately in love with her cousin Lymon, a malevolent dwarf. Amelia opens a cafe that serves as a much-needed social outlet for their tiny Southern town. Lymon falls in love with Amelia's estranged husband, Marvin Macy, who has just been released from prison. Lymon and Macy overpower Amelia physically and wreck her cafe, after which they disappear together, leaving Amelia and the townspeople without hope.
Jim
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Oh, God, no ... I shudder to think what Krusty would use to rhyme with "Ennis."
There was a young man named Ennis,
Who was endowed with a beautiful ______.
He hooked up with Jack,
And they got in the sack.
And then said, "I hope nobody has seen us."
Jim
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Oh, God, no ... I shudder to think what Krusty would use to rhyme with "Ennis."
There was a young man named Ennis,
Who was endowed with a beautiful ______.
He hooked up with Jack,
And they got in the sack.
And then said, "I hope nobody has seen us."
Jim
Erm erm... >:(
LOL ;D
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Oh, God, no ... I shudder to think what Krusty would use to rhyme with "Ennis."
There was a young man named Ennis,
Who was endowed with a beautiful ______.
He hooked up with Jack,
And they got in the sack.
And then said, "I hope nobody has seen us."
Jim
hilarious! ;D
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Ennis means "Island"..I read that somewhere..you know how much reading we do about BBM..cannot remember where..Proulx knows what she is doing..
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Quote from: Apollonos on 19 January 2006, 00:17:43
Oh, God, no ... I shudder to think what Krusty would use to rhyme with "Ennis."
There was a young man named Ennis,
Who was endowed with a beautiful ______.
He hooked up with Jack,
And they got in the sack.
And then said, "I hope nobody has seen us."
Jim
Yep ... that's just what I was afraid of. My hat's off to you ....
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There was a young man named Ennis,
Who was endowed with a beautiful ______.
He hooked up with Jack,
And they got in the sack.
And then said, "I hope nobody has seen us."
Jim
Wonderful. You amaze me ;)
Well, we have all seen Jack and Ennis got in the sack and I say - we are so fortunate.
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The names of people in Annie Proulx work remind me of another author who had a penchant for unusual namesof characters: Charles Dickens.
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In spite of dramatic conclusion of BBM :-... after some meditation :) I conclued that Ennis and Jack have been lucky because they found their twin soul...
coguaro
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I can't find Brokeback Mountain on Mapquest or Google Earth. Does anyone know where it is? Also, has anyone else heard about the contest whose prize is five days and four nights at Brokeback Mountain sponsored by Wyoming Chamber of Commerce? I'd love to go there and spread my 22 year old dead kitty's (Molly) ashes...
Jim
I believe that Brokeback Mountain is not too far from Lake Woebegone.
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I believe that Brokeback Mountain is not too far from Lake Woebegone.
Brokeback Mountain does not exist... ;) It's a pure product of Annie Proulx imagination
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I believe that Brokeback Mountain is not too far from Lake Woebegone.
Brokeback Mountain does not exist... ;) It's a pure product of Annie Proulx imagination
Lake Woebegone is a pure product of "Prairie Home Companion" a radio show it is purely fictional.
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I believe that Brokeback Mountain is not too far from Lake Woebegone.
Brokeback Mountain does not exist... ;) It's a pure product of Annie Proulx imagination
Lake Woebegone is a pure product of "Prairie Home Companion" a radio show it is purely fictional.
hahahahahahahaha!
Froggy needs to go to bed! ;D
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I believe that Brokeback Mountain is not too far from Lake Woebegone.
Brokeback Mountain does not exist... ;) It's a pure product of Annie Proulx imagination
In which case... Yes Brokeback Mountain is not far from Lake Woebegone!
Don't you love it when everybody gets to be right at the same time?
Somehow, and I can't explain why, whenever I hear Lake Woebegone I confuse it with Lake Winnipeg. In which case, if I were not confused, it might just be near Brokeback Mountain. Huh!
Jim
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I know Proulx makes up names that aren't really out there, like in Shipping News, but are
Ennis, alma and Lureen real names of people in the world?
I have a client named Ennis
I also knew an elderly woman named Alma
Lureen I have heard as well
J
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Here in the Philippines, the name Alma is very common, I also have a schoolmate with a last name of "del Mar". However, in the US probably its non existent or rarely u can find someone with that name.
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The name Alma is quite common her in thw Philippines, like wise i know someone with a last name of "del Mar". In US u rarely find someone with the name.
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Is Ennis last name "del Mar" a Latin name?
"Del Mar" are two Italian or Spanish words meaning litterally "of the sea"... joining the name "Ennis" which means in ireland "island".. the final meaning will be "island of the sea"....... this may represent that Ennis was so isolated and close in himself... such an island of the sea!!!
coguaro
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This Island of the Sea topic has been discussed earlier somewhere in this site. But, am I crazy, or was there an island in the lake during our boys final scene together??? Well, gotta go back again...
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This Island of the Sea topic has been discussed earlier somewhere in this site. But, am I crazy, or was there an island in the lake during our boys final scene together??? Well, gotta go back again...
interesting..need to see BBM again then!!! ;D
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There is always a good reason to see BBM again. Speaking of names...anyone (maybe French speakers) know about Aguirre? Thanks...
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There is always a good reason to see BBM again. Speaking of names...anyone (maybe French speakers) know about Aguirre? Thanks...
Nop, never heard it before.
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There is always a good reason to see BBM again. Speaking of names...anyone (maybe French speakers) know about Aguirre? Thanks...
Nop, never heard it before.
Aguirre is a common hispanic name