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The Movie & Story => Characters, Quotes & Scenes => Topic started by: aintfoolin on Nov 16, 2006, 04:42 PM
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Now I'm not an expert on trucks but these guys loved pickups...alot How many were they anyway? And why ?
Any takers?
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Someone on one of the threads said that pick-ups were cheap and useful for transporting bulky things or livestock. You still see them all ove rthe US and here occasionally; I've seen dogs in the back of one but never sheep or calves and I shouldn't think you could get anything bigger - I've also seen them with tools and so on. It sometimes seems to me that people dirve these now as a sort of statement, to show they aren't townies. I reckon Ennis and Jack had them because they were cheap and practical - can they be used off the blacktop ?
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It's probably more practical. I don't know if they were any cheaper, but I'm sure it made more sense on a farm or rural towns than a regular car.
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Having been raised on a farm I tend to agree My dad had several trucks, two of them like Jack's first black truck. Through the years I noticed that Jack's trucks got newer and nicer probably due to the fact that his financial situation became better once he married Lureen. Ennis also had several too , ALL FORDS. I happen to drive a Ford myself. Jack, now a Texas businessman stayed with his roots and always bought trucks. Wonder if he ever considered a nice red Mustang?
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Having been raised on a farm I tend to agree My dad had several trucks, two of them like Jack's first black truck. Through the years I noticed that Jack's trucks got newer and nicer probably due to the fact that his financial situation became better once he married Lureen. Ennis also had several too , ALL FORDS. I happen to drive a Ford myself. Jack, now a Texas businessman stayed with his roots and always bought trucks. Wonder if he ever considered a nice red Mustang?
Thanks for the input, aintfoolin. I didn't notice that Ennis's were all Fords. The unforgettable ones for me are: Jack's first black one (a GM, correct?), and the one where he and Lureen made love in.
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Having been raised on a farm I tend to agree My dad had several trucks, two of them like Jack's first black truck. Through the years I noticed that Jack's trucks got newer and nicer probably due to the fact that his financial situation became better once he married Lureen. Ennis also had several too , ALL FORDS. I happen to drive a Ford myself. Jack, now a Texas businessman stayed with his roots and always bought trucks. Wonder if he ever considered a nice red Mustang?
Thanks for the input, aintfoolin. I didn't notice that Ennis's were all Fords. The unforgettable ones for me are: Jack's first black one (a GM, correct?), and the one where he and Lureen made love in.
Sorry, TPE, but the fanatic in me has to say that Jack and Lureen made out in the backseat of L.D. Newsome's Cadillac (Lureen had to get the car home by midnight).
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Your right Jess ,Jack was ..."attacked" by Lureen in the backseat seat of her daddy's Caddy. Smiles....Well it was a more comfortable ride anyway.
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Someone on one of the threads said that pick-ups were cheap and useful for transporting bulky things or livestock. You still see them all ove rthe US and here occasionally; I've seen dogs in the back of one but never sheep or calves and I shouldn't think you could get anything bigger - I've also seen them with tools and so on. It sometimes seems to me that people dirve these now as a sort of statement, to show they aren't townies. I reckon Ennis and Jack had them because they were cheap and practical - can they be used off the blacktop ?
Funny, but I didn't question the truck at all. It's like, of course trucks. Everyone rural had trucks. And Ennis, for hitching a horse trailer to.
And now, well, in California anyway, townies definitely have trucks. Guys, construction workers, dykes.
OT, but I happen to really like Aguirre's car. Some goofy Nash Rambler or something. And looks to be newish, because they didn't make that style too much before 1963.
kathy
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Yeah, I liked Aguirre's car too. These cars are classics now, often seen in classic car shows.
Jack was partial to Ford F-150s, a big powerful engine.
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Sorry, TPE, but the fanatic in me has to say that Jack and Lureen made out in the backseat of L.D. Newsome's Cadillac (Lureen had to get the car home by midnight).
That was a slip. I was thinking of vehicles, in general, but I guess this was all about the trucks! :)
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Sorry, TPE, but the fanatic in me has to say that Jack and Lureen made out in the backseat of L.D. Newsome's Cadillac (Lureen had to get the car home by midnight).
That was a slip. I was thinking of vehicles, in general, but I guess this was all about the trucks! :)
Actually, L.D.Newsom's car isn't a Cadillac, it a '64 or '65 ('65 I think) red Thunderbird with black top and red interior. When Lureen rides up to Jack to get her hat from him (after it blew off in her ride) the T-Bird can be clearly seen in the background parked along side the building. Regarding the trucks, if you've ever been to Wyoming or rural Texas almost everybody drives pickup trucks, especially "rough mannerd, rough spoken" young men. Interestingly, in one of the early screenplays Aguirre's car is called out to be an "old white Buick station wagon" - I don't know why the switch was made to a late model Rambler sedan other than convienence on the set - Rambler dealers might have been pretty scarce out in Wyoming back in '63!
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A Thunderbird - that and the Corvette are the two iconic American cars for me - but I hate the idea of LD owning one. He wouldn't have a pick-up, I suppose, too rich and too busy showing off how successful he was.
( *o) I've driven a T-bird, but a modern one, not at all the same thing.)
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LD would have a pick-up, or two, also, besides the T-bird, I think. I'm surprised at the T-bird actually -- would definitely think he's a Cadillac man.
As to Aguirre, I think also that Rambler was an oddity. First of all, certain of those middle American folks probably thought those new-fangled "compact" cars (though Ramblers were always small-ish cars I think, before the "new" trend of compacts around 63) were Commie Pinko cars!
kathy
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Jack first appears in a 1950 GMC pickup that had seen better days. For a time I drove a 1951 Chevrolet pickup. It was very similar to the GMC and strictly a transportation issue and my grandfather let me have full title to it free of charge as long as I kept up and didn't get in a accident. I didn't. A lot of oral sex went on in that truck from 1957 on. It was great except that the heater was inefficient. I hung a lit red kerosene lantern from the radio knob to supplement the heat. That did the job. I never dated a girl in that truck. It was hokie in their estimation. It was not usual for a truck to have a radio in those days but it did.
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Of course too many of you do not know that the Rambler was originated by Nash Motor Cars Co many moons ago. Nash and Hudson merged to form American Motors and I seem to remember that Packard was absorbed by that group as well. This was in the 1950s or so as I remember. I was so disappointed because I always wanted a Packard 600 Patrician car. Wow, what a classy vehicle that was. I rode in one every Sunday morning going to Sunday school and church. It was worth the toment of organized religion to ride in that car. ANother advantage of the Nash was that the front seats could be leaned back and fixed in such a way to form a BED!! Every teenagers dream was to have a Nash. The thinking was that if you could get a girl in bed, it was easy sailing to your utmost desires. Anyway all this talk about Nash Hudson and Packard can be lit up by a search of google.com I think General Motors still makes a GMC pickup. On the east coast a pickup is very stylish. Thanks.
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A Thunderbird - that and the Corvette are the two iconic American cars for me - but I hate the idea of LD owning one. He wouldn't have a pick-up, I suppose, too rich and too busy showing off how successful he was.
( *o) I've driven a T-bird, but a modern one, not at all the same thing.)
I think the T-Bird choice reflects the incredible depth shown in making so many aspects of this film. The 'Bird was probably bought by L.D. for his beloved daughter, he wouldn't be caught dead in it. Remember the line from the great 60s Beach Boys song (same era as this scene) "She'll have fun, fun, fun, 'till her daddy takes the T-Bird away. . ."
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I think the T-Bird choice reflects the incredible depth shown in making so many aspects of this film. The 'Bird was probably bought by L.D. for his beloved daughter, he wouldn't be caught dead in it. Remember the line from the great 60s Beach Boys song (same era as this scene) "She'll have fun, fun, fun, 'till her daddy takes the T-Bird away. . ."
Oh, of course -- the T-bird would have been what he bought for Lureen!
Car nostalgia. I had a 1954 Ford in 1965; a 1950 Ford in 1966 (the color of Aspergum); a 1959 what was it -- funny tiny English car -- in 1969; a 1961 Ford Falcon in 1972 (cool car, white with red leather interior) -- all of these cars cost me $100 or less; then the only new car I ever bought, a 1974 Opel Manta Luxus. Then, in early 80's, a 1972 VW pop-top camper; then no car for a while; then in 1990, my Dad's 1979 AMC Pacer station wagon up until only a couple years ago -- I mourn the loss of that car. I now have a boring old lady's car, I think -- 1995 Nissan Altima. Next year I want to buy a new car, a PT Cruiser, or that funny Chevy HHR thing.
Sorry if OT... But the AMC reminded me of my Pacer... And JBron, that Packard that turned into a bed, I can dig that. My aunt had a humongous tank, a 40-something Hudson Hornet, and it did that, too, plus, the back of the back seat came up so it was like a bunk bed on top, great for kids at the drive-in movies.
kathy
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I was also thinking that the car belonged to Lureen herself. Just wanted to mention Jack's (Orange?) and white truck at the end. It had the King cab and appears to be very luxurious inside. The back seat has white tufted seats. But what are all those bars near the side veiw mirrors?
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Actually, L.D.Newsom's car isn't a Cadillac, it a '64 or '65 ('65 I think) red Thunderbird with black top and red interior. When Lureen rides up to Jack to get her hat from him (after it blew off in her ride) the T-Bird can be clearly seen in the background parked along side the building. Regarding the trucks, if you've ever been to Wyoming or rural Texas almost everybody drives pickup trucks, especially "rough mannerd, rough spoken" young men. Interestingly, in one of the early screenplays Aguirre's car is called out to be an "old white Buick station wagon" - I don't know why the switch was made to a late model Rambler sedan other than convienence on the set - Rambler dealers might have been pretty scarce out in Wyoming back in '63!
Interesting! Thanks jackster for the additional info. I had not noticed the T-Bird in the background in the said scene. That is an interesting detail I had missed.
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Of course too many of you do not know that the Rambler was originated by Nash Motor Cars Co many moons ago. Nash and Hudson merged to form American Motors and I seem to remember that Packard was absorbed by that group as well. This was in the 1950s or so as I remember. I was so disappointed because I always wanted a Packard 600 Patrician car. Wow, what a classy vehicle that was. I rode in one every Sunday morning going to Sunday school and church. It was worth the toment of organized religion to ride in that car. ANother advantage of the Nash was that the front seats could be leaned back and fixed in such a way to form a BED!! Every teenagers dream was to have a Nash. The thinking was that if you could get a girl in bed, it was easy sailing to your utmost desires. Anyway all this talk about Nash Hudson and Packard can be lit up by a search of google.com I think General Motors still makes a GMC pickup. On the east coast a pickup is very stylish. Thanks.
Thanks also, JBron10544, for the interesting comments. :)
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A Thunderbird - that and the Corvette are the two iconic American cars for me - but I hate the idea of LD owning one. He wouldn't have a pick-up, I suppose, too rich and too busy showing off how successful he was.
( *o) I've driven a T-bird, but a modern one, not at all the same thing.)
I think the T-Bird choice reflects the incredible depth shown in making so many aspects of this film. The 'Bird was probably bought by L.D. for his beloved daughter, he wouldn't be caught dead in it. Remember the line from the great 60s Beach Boys song (same era as this scene) "She'll have fun, fun, fun, 'till her daddy takes the T-Bird away. . ."
:)
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I was also thinking that the car belonged to Lureen herself. Just wanted to mention Jack's (Orange?) and white truck at the end. It had the King cab and appears to be very luxurious inside. The back seat has white tufted seats. But what are all those bars near the side veiw mirrors?
I should play closer attention to the details of that scene, aintfoolin. I had not noticed the bars near the side view mirrors...
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I'm strictly a speed freak so pick-ups don;t do it for me, nor old American cars, in general. But how amazing that on the site is someone who knows so much about them - enough to get me interested. Like tpe, I hadn't picked up all these details before - wil look more carefully next time, though I did notice that Jack's pick-ups changed to reflect his financial situation, while Ennis's stayed much the same and reflected his.
This in a broader sense says a lot about differing attitudes to cars in the US and UK, where there's a great desire to own the latest model, latest year number on your plate - I know people who spend quite a bit on vanity plates to try to hide the registration year of their out-of-date model. In the US, as in the movie, models and modes of transportation seem to be much more related to utilitarian considerations.
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I suppose the pick up was conveinent for ranchers to carry hay bails, hitches for horse trailers etc. But Jack's red and white truck.(the one he "red lined") to meet Ennis is in appeared to be very fast. This must have been a popular model because there are still plenty of them seen on the road even today.Of course Jack probably had the "peddle to the metal" in that scene!
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Now I'm not an expert on trucks but these guys loved pickups...alot How many were they anyway? And why ?
Any takers?
OK, since you ask, now listen carefully . . . trucks used by the boys, numbered in order of screen appearance. Model years are as close as I can do without gettin' a bunch a old books out:
#1 - Jack's black '50 GMC, opening scene, etc.
#2 - Ennis's late '50s GMC (you see a lot of still pictures posed with this one).
Jack returns to Signal in his '50 GMC.
Jack goes rodeoin' in his '50 GMC, meets Lureen.
Ennis goes to grocery with the girls in his late 50s GMC.
Ennis comes home to Alma & Jack's postcard in his late 50s GMC.
Ennis goes to post office "you bet" in his late 50s GMC.
#3 - Jacks red & white '63 Ford F-100, redlines it to see Ennis in 1967.
The boys go "fishin" in the red & white '63 Ford.
#4 - Ennis now has a turquoise & white '63 Ford F-100, he goes camping & meets Jack
who now has:
#5 Jacks blue, late 60s or possibly early '70s Ford F-100 with a camper cap (over the bed).
In the post-divorce reunion scene they're both still drivin' the same rigs.
In the Thanksgiving rush-out scene / Black & Blue Eagle bar fight scene Ennis's still driving his '63 Ford.
#6 Jacks brown & white late 70s GMC "dually" they're called duallys 'cause of the dual rear wheels. Last truck we see Jack with.
Ennis at PO with "deceased" post card and at Jack's folks at Lighting Flat is still driving his '63 Ford (#4) which by now, 1982, would be almost 20 years old.
'Course this is just an outline.
There are a lot of other trucks that appear (like Jacks father's), but these are the significant ones. For those of you not from the USofA, GMC (or Jimmy's in the vernacular) is a basically a "re-badged" Chevy sold by other General Motors dealers.
Curiosity: Jack gets a GMC, then Ennis gets a GMC; Jack gets a Ford, then Ennis gets a Ford.
Also, someone ask 'bout the "bars" on Jack's last truck windows. Them ain't bars, the back window on those trucks slide open, so what you see are the section dividers of the window. Same on the side windows, the "extended cab" pickups used a similar door stamping for the rear door as the front. Since a full sized window wouldn't fit down inside the door they needed to make the moving glass section a bit smaller, hence the divider.
Sorry if this is a bit long, but you did ask . . . it's not just a car. it's a truck.
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D'you know, I just love someone who knows a lot about something. Details are fascinating - to me these were just some sort of four-wheeled transport really but all the info makes them much more understandable. Thank you, jackster.
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Jackster , you offer a wealth of knowledge on this. Thanks. I take it that your a car and truck enthusiast? If you are then maybe post picture of your ride. I think the trucks they drove could have had cooler rims though. In the last scene they also both have those white rims which are ok but I prefer the shiny silver chrome . So much cooler looking IMO ... don't much care for the look of whitewall tires either, .but to each his own. I'm on the east coast born and raised but during the 60's in Cali. trucks and vans were popular among the younger crowd especially the "flower children" of that era. It was a time of making them indvidual statements of art . Beach bums also were in on the action. But I know there is quite a difference in the culture in 60's Wyoming and 60's southern California.Can't imagine Ennis driving around in a pickup painted bumper to bumper in lightningbolts and daisies! Anyway , again thanks for your input .
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Thanks, jackster -- I did love that chronology of trucks, and in context. Quite interesting.
Now I could tell you boys a thing or two about Alma's and Lureen's decor! Just kidding...I wouldn't subject you to that, but there's a lot to notice there. (I always wanted to be a set designer for movies -- and the funkier the better.)
kathy
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Thanks, jackster -- I did love that chronology of trucks, and in context. Quite interesting.
Now I could tell you boys a thing or two about Alma's and Lureen's decor! Just kidding...I wouldn't subject you to that, but there's a lot to notice there. (I always wanted to be a set designer for movies -- and the funkier the better.)
kathy
Yes, like that wonderful "paint by number" mountain view oil picture that goes with Ennis & Alma from the "lonesome ranch" to the apt above the landramat. Wonder if anyone has found one of those in an antique/junk shop, there should be 1,000s of 'em. Probably an inside joke with set crew, Alma had Brokeback Mountain hanging in her living room!
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OK, since you ask, now listen carefully . . . trucks used by the boys, numbered in order of screen appearance. Model years are as close as I can do without gettin' a bunch a old books out:
#1 - Jack's black '50 GMC, opening scene, etc.
#2 - Ennis's late '50s GMC (you see a lot of still pictures posed with this one).
Jack returns to Signal in his '50 GMC.
Jack goes rodeoin' in his '50 GMC, meets Lureen.
Ennis goes to grocery with the girls in his late 50s GMC.
Ennis comes home to Alma & Jack's postcard in his late 50s GMC.
Ennis goes to post office "you bet" in his late 50s GMC.
#3 - Jacks red & white '63 Ford F-100, redlines it to see Ennis in 1967.
The boys go "fishin" in the red & white '63 Ford.
#4 - Ennis now has a turquoise & white '63 Ford F-100, he goes camping & meets Jack
who now has:
#5 Jacks blue, late 60s or possibly early '70s Ford F-100 with a camper cap (over the bed).
In the post-divorce reunion scene they're both still drivin' the same rigs.
In the Thanksgiving rush-out scene / Black & Blue Eagle bar fight scene Ennis's still driving his '63 Ford.
#6 Jacks brown & white late 70s GMC "dually" they're called duallys 'cause of the dual rear wheels. Last truck we see Jack with.
Ennis at PO with "deceased" post card and at Jack's folks at Lighting Flat is still driving his '63 Ford (#4) which by now, 1982, would be almost 20 years old.
'Course this is just an outline.
There are a lot of other trucks that appear (like Jacks father's), but these are the significant ones. For those of you not from the USofA, GMC (or Jimmy's in the vernacular) is a basically a "re-badged" Chevy sold by other General Motors dealers.
Curiosity: Jack gets a GMC, then Ennis gets a GMC; Jack gets a Ford, then Ennis gets a Ford.
Also, someone ask 'bout the "bars" on Jack's last truck windows. Them ain't bars, the back window on those trucks slide open, so what you see are the section dividers of the window. Same on the side windows, the "extended cab" pickups used a similar door stamping for the rear door as the front. Since a full sized window wouldn't fit down inside the door they needed to make the moving glass section a bit smaller, hence the divider.
Sorry if this is a bit long, but you did ask . . . it's not just a car. it's a truck.
This is a very beautiful post, jackster. I thank you so much. I love the observation you make that they even seem to match their trucks...
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For Aintfoolin:
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'nuff said.
I hope this works, I really don't know what I'm doing.
jackster
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Jackster: Extremely cool! So you just Photoshopped the lettering on? Do tell. This isn't a real plate holder? Or is it? You know what, one can easily get a plain holder and print the lettering out on your printer on black stick-on sturdy fabric (hard to find). I want to do that!
kathy
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Jackster: Extremely cool! So you just Photoshopped the lettering on? Do tell. This isn't a real plate holder? Or is it? You know what, one can easily get a plain holder and print the lettering out on your printer on black stick-on sturdy fabric (hard to find). I want to do that!
kathy
IT'S REAL
You can find numerous "custom" frame makers on the web, they're about $20 bucks.
Took 'em two tries, first one came back "It's A Sweet Life"
jackster
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Oh -- you had said you weren't sure about what you were doing, that's why I thought it was a cgi. I guess you meant posting a pic?
Okay, excellent. Off I go to get one made. Not sure what I'll choose for it to say. Interesting, too, that I hadn't thought of the plate holder -- I knew I wouldn't get a custom plate itself, but this I can do. Fun!
kathy
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A sweet life indeed! This is really excellent Jackster. I want one too!
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I knew I wouldn't get a custom plate itself, but this I can do. Fun!
kathy
Interest in the trucks leads easily to their license plates. Don't know if you're at all familiar with WY plates as seen in the film, but they tell a story too. First (left) number is the county, then comes the buckin' bronc (1st appeared in 1936), then the plate number. So by checking out the plate numbers and color combo you can tell what location (county) and year it is. Ah Ha! Keys to this can be found on the web or I'll send the links. A bit of slo-mo stop-action review gives new insight to what the set designers and continuity folks were up to location and timeline wise.
There's also a place that'll make up full scale "fantasy" WY plates for you, unfortunately they only go up to 1955 and you can only get four characters in the right side field so "ENNIS" (my choice) is out (but I guess ALMA would work). If the boys were 19 in 1963 then they might have been born in 1944, maybe when Ennis got older and he bought an old black GMC pickup to fix up he'd have gotten a vanity plate like this:
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What'da think. Huh?
jackster
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What'da think. Huh?
Great custom plate Jackster.
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Very interesting. Jackster. :)
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I want one! We have several American plates, the ones with state mottoes on, but even if we could put UK registrations on them they'd be illegal. No custom plates in the UK - you can buy regular plates - from the Government, natch - with interesting combinations of numbers/letters, but they all have to conform to the legal requirements and the year number is always a part of the set so you're stuck with 06 ( or 66 depending on which half of the year your car is registered in) or whatever. Some people keep old numbers ("cherished numbers", in official parlance) say with their initials and a number - someone I know has C1 and his three initials. These you buy from private dealers - the price can be up to £15.000 for rare ones and the first-ever plate, A1, would be millions, I should think. You can put them on your car, but when you sell it the original official plates have to go back on.
No custom holders either - our plates are stuck on the car - ? screwed on? I've never looked.
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I'd like to imagine Jack driving around with this liscense plate on a new truck . A gift from Ennis after they find that sweet life together. I can dream can't I ? Maybe Jack could have his rodeo buckle made into a hood ornament! Cool. Good to see your from my old stomping grounds. The Buckeye State. In Pa. you can customize your plates up to 6 letters or buy one from the DMV that expresses your interests such as wildlife preservation etc.Thank you for all this wonderful information Jackster! Just got a new printer but hav'ent had time to set it up yet. I'll try to post a picture of my ride if I can figure out what I'm doing. I'm new to all this new technology. Heh heh.
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I didn't even think about the fact that they have so many pickup trucks in this movie. Then again, where I live more than half the cars you see out on the road are pickup trucks. I drive a pickup truck, it's just convienient and my Dad always told me that they are less likely to break down then a car, something about how the engine is set up, I don't remember.
Besides, didn't you guys know that they bigger your truck, the more of a man you are? lol
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Except for maybe one or two guys everyone at my job drives a pickup. Certainly they've gotten bigger and more powerful these days. and yes their is definitly a myth out there that says the bigger the truck, the bigger the man. I don't buy it.Believe or not I saw a truck the other day with a pair of testicles hanging off the bumper!!!! LOL I guess some men will do anything to prove their manhood. *grins*.
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Believe or not I saw a truck the other day with a pair of testicles hanging off the bumper!!!! LOL I guess some men will do anything to prove their manhood. *grins*.
Wow, I must admit I've never seen a pair of testicles hanging from a bumper. lol
My truck is not huge, it just gets me where I need to get and hauls what I need to bring with me. It's an older truck, though, 1983, so maybe guys didn't need to prove they had balls through the size of their trucks as much back then.
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They were fake of course but they were HUGE!
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They were fake of course but they were HUGE!
There's a hilarious video on YouTube of a couple of teenagers "castrating" one of these pickups with a pair of boltcutters. Then they wait nearby for the owner to come back and find the results lying on the ground. Real high school humor but funny nonetheless.
jackster
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I didn't even think about the fact that they have so many pickup trucks in this movie. Then again, where I live more than half the cars you see out on the road are pickup trucks. I drive a pickup truck, it's just convienient and my Dad always told me that they are less likely to break down then a car, something about how the engine is set up, I don't remember.
Besides, didn't you guys know that they bigger your truck, the more of a man you are? lol
I always thought it was just the opposite -- the bigger the truck the smaller the balls. Compenstion.
As if size of balls had anything to do with anything, gimme a break. Unless you're a coyote. I mean, what does it really mean -- do bigger balls have more sperm? Back when, that was important, but we've got plenty now, thanks.
P.S. I love all you guys! I do, really. You're just such easy targets sometimes. So you can say something bitchy to me about us women now if you want. Older women, that is. That would be me.
kathy
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In the UK the usual thing used to be that the bigger your car-engine and the sportier the car ( Porsches generally won) the smaller another part of your anatomy, of which most men have only one, was supposed to be. Now there seems to be a macho thing going on about the size of 4 by 4 you drive, except that most seem to have at, or rather more or less under, the wheel some blonde female who's about 5 feet tall. Very few people here drive pickups of any sort, though I've seen an odd American one here and there. Ironically they seem to be driven exclusively in towns.
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Funny, WW. Yep, basically the same thing here. Trucks are really for working men (and women) here. Most prevelant are the SUV's -- including the gigantous Hummers. Ridiculous -- and they are as often as not driven by "soccer moms." It's just Big Greed and marketing -- they stopped making station wagons and mini-vans, so SUV's are what families with kids think they need. But that's a whole other topic.
kathy
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Besides, didn't you guys know that they bigger your truck, the more of a man you are? lol
This certainly has more than a grain of truth to it. Though some may think it a sterotype, I do think the association of trucks with manliness is a manifestation of the well-known "Curse pf Masculinity" syndrome.
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I didn't even think about the fact that they have so many pickup trucks in this movie. Then again, where I live more than half the cars you see out on the road are pickup trucks. I drive a pickup truck, it's just convienient and my Dad always told me that they are less likely to break down then a car, something about how the engine is set up, I don't remember.
Besides, didn't you guys know that they bigger your truck, the more of a man you are? lol
I always thought it was just the opposite -- the bigger the truck the smaller the balls. Compenstion.
As if size of balls had anything to do with anything, gimme a break. Unless you're a coyote. I mean, what does it really mean -- do bigger balls have more sperm? Back when, that was important, but we've got plenty now, thanks.
P.S. I love all you guys! I do, really. You're just such easy targets sometimes. So you can say something bitchy to me about us women now if you want. Older women, that is. That would be me.
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Whatever the reality, it is the appearance being projected that is, I think, telling. True, the reality may be sometimes that of compensation, but they would still think that a bigger truck would compensate. There is a link made between inanimate objects (trucks in this case) and genitalia. IN some cases, the asssociations are quite primitive.
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Jack "red lined" it to see Ennis from Childress Texas to Riverton Wy. in his 1963 red & white F-100. I feel that back in those days the vehicles were better biult with a lot less maintenance needed (especially after long road trips like this) .
I can'timagine redlining it for those distances in one of these huge monstrosites on the road today without something going very wrong. Besides, Jack did;nt need huge fake balls, or trucks so huge that you need a step ladder to ascend into the damn thing to prove his manhood , He was all man without it.Some one has a blue and white truck just like Ennis's around the corner from me. How many of these new enormous "mantoys" will still be around 20-30 years from now? They may be all recalled with all these problems! Back then Ennis or Jack could have turned a few wrenchs and had the problem fixed. Not anymore.IMHO.
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Jack "red lined" it to see Ennis from Childress Texas to Riverton Wy. in his 1963 red & white F-100. I feel that back in those days the vehicles were better biult with a lot less maintenance needed (especially after long road trips like this) .
I can'timagine redlining it for those distances in one of these huge monstrosites on the road today without something going very wrong. Besides, Jack did;nt need huge fake balls, or trucks so huge that you need a step ladder to ascend into the damn thing to prove his manhood , He was all man without it.Some one has a blue and white truck just like Ennis's around the corner from me. How many of these new enormous "mantoys" will still be around 20-30 years from now? They may be all recalled with all these problems! Back then Ennis or Jack could have turned a few wrenchs and had the problem fixed. Not anymore.IMHO.
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Point well taken. The curse of masculinity can only go so far before common sense kicks in. ;)
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Are today's trucks as complicated inside as car engines? Not that I'd recognize the bits under the hood ( this is someone who once told a guy in a gas station that she thought the engine looked funny and he said in a rather bemused tone that that was because it was the air-conditioner) but apparently modern cars are so complicated and all the parts sealed or inaccessible that you can't just fix the carburetor or the plugs or whatever. I assume that if trucks are used out on back-roads or off the black-top that they need to be tough and ? maintainable without the services of a garage.
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Are today's trucks as complicated inside as car engines? Not that I'd recognize the bits under the hood ( this is someone who once told a guy in a gas station that she thought the engine looked funny and he said in a rather bemused tone that that was because it was the air-conditioner) but apparently modern cars are so complicated and all the parts sealed or inaccessible that you can't just fix the carburetor or the plugs or whatever. I assume that if trucks are used out on back-roads or off the black-top that they need to be tough and ? maintainable without the services of a garage.
Hate to disappoint you, but yeah, trucks (at least pickup trucks) are every bit as complicated these days as regular cars. A few years ago I needed to purchase a pickup for my small business, I wanted a "simple" vehicle with few items to breakdown. In order to get a simple Ford pickup with crank-up windows, no air conditioning, and a rubber floor mat I had to special order it from the factory! Of course the flip side of this is the fact that they are MUCH more reliable and require very little maintenance. Those trucks that Jack & Ennis drove were supposed to have the oil changed every 1,000 miles and be lubed every 3,000! That meant Jack shoulda' changed the oil TWICE in his trip to/from Riverton, ugh!
The term "redlined" just meant going at top speed, none of those trucks came with anything like a tachometer (which is where the redline actually appears). In Jack's red & white '63 Ford top speed (sustainable) would be in area of 80-85 mph. It might go faster, but believe me, you don't want to do it for long especially on the secondary roads he'd be driving in '67. Suspension and brake technology was primitive to say the least, Ennis's beatup '58 GMC (which he was drivin' at the time) still had a solid front axle, and the reason it was missing the front grill and bumber was probably because he'd rear-ended someone when he couldn't stop in time! They were truly "bullit-proof" in construction, but pretty limited in scope. Also, don't forget why Ennis had to drop out of high school as a sophomore and go to Worland with his brother. These vehicles are great to romanticize about and even cool to drive, but if I had to drive 1,200 miles to see someone I loved in a hurry, I'd leave the old truck at home.
jackster
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Jack didn't need huge fake balls, or trucks so huge that you need a step ladder to ascend into the damn thing to prove his manhood , he was all man without it.
Right on, Ennis too. Funny enough, all the goofy "super-trucks" we see today are really trying emulate the masculinity of Ennis & Jack and their pickups which (like themselves) were so brutally simple and plain. To paraphrase the SS passage: "no drawers, no socks, Jack noticed" - or in vehicular terms, "no radio, no heater, Jack noticed"
jackster
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Believe or not I saw a truck the other day with a pair of testicles hanging off the bumper!!!! LOL I guess some men will do anything to prove their manhood. *grins*.
Damn, I was right! A couple of days ago I was behind a truck or SUV, don't remember which, but hanging from the trailor jack was what looked like a large pair of testicles. :8 Now I know I wasn't seeing things. Thanks aintfoolin. O0
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Believe or not I saw a truck the other day with a pair of testicles hanging off the bumper!!!! LOL I guess some men will do anything to prove their manhood. *grins*.
Damn, I was right! A couple of days ago I was behind a truck or SUV, don't remember which, but hanging from the trailor jack was what looked like a large pair of testicles. :8 Now I know I wasn't seeing things. Thanks aintfoolin. O0
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OMG!!! What's next? Penis shaped taillights? *grins*
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Horrors! ;)
I do think that this simply echoes an association with trucks in many people's minds...
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So, next dim question coming up, do girls drive these "ballsy" trucks or are they purely for men?? (
Some of the biggest 4 by 4s here are driven by brain-dead birds who couldn't park them on an empty football pitch - the things are called Chelsea Tractors because that's where they're seen - in wealthy areas not noticeably threatened by stampeding buffalo or necessitating off-road driving. they often contain some blonde size 4 female and a two-year-old. Are trucks as common in large US cities as they are here? In fact farmers and so on shere eem to go with Land-Rovers more than trucks.
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Yes , In fact here in the U.S. trucks may outnumber cars on the road here now. If you include The countless SUVs which I think just about every family owns some form of these days. Even though we own cars, the SUV has become the main attraction. The vehicle of choice. Some of them are very l uxurious, boasting the latest perks in technology such as map tracking devices and computerized extras built in such as TVs and vidio games, CD players etc.! ( the Lincoln Navigator and the Escalde made by Cadillac) are examples) They're practically houses on wheels now days. Maybe you've seen some of them driven by celebbrities, which contributes to their popularity. Of course these vehicles are very high maintenance, especially if something in the computer goes wrong. You pay out the ass for repairs and being the gas guzzlers that they are, people are having a hard time keeping the tanks full. Everyone in my own family owns some form of one.
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Of course these vehicles are very high maintenance, especially if something in the computer goes wrong. You pay out the ass for repairs and being the gas guzzlers that they are, people are having a hard time keeping the tanks full. Everyone in my own family owns some form of one.
I'd have to respectfully disagree. I don't own one (did once), but I think you'll find with many, especially the Lincoln and Cadillac cited, whatever maintenance, either scheduled (typically every 10K miles or once a year) or unscheduled is entirely covered by warrenty at no charge for the first four-five years, no matter what goes wrong. Compare this to Ennis's old GMC which would require ten-times the number of oil changes, that's 50 quarts of old dirty oil thats gotta go somewhere. And not all SUVs are gas guzzlers, Ford and Honda make hybird (gas/electric) versions and will soon be joined by others. And of course "guzzler" is kind of relative, those old trucks driven by Ennis and Jack got about the same mileage (or worse), around 15-18 mpg, than most of todays biggest SUVs with fuel injection, etc. And don't even begin to think about what's coming out the tailpipe in terms of hydrocarbons and particulates. Those old bangers may be real cool as romantic images but if everyone who's driving an SUV today was in a '66 Ford pick-up we'd be choking to death! Sorry if this sounds like a rant, I just hate to see cars (old or new) get dumped on 'cause people make stupid decisions, it's not the cars fault.
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This is just too f**kin funny! O0
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Yes , In fact here in the U.S. trucks may outnumber cars on the road here now.
Very true.
Most folks don't know it, but for over a decade the Ford F-150 pickup (the modern equivilent to what Jack drove) has been the single largest selling vehicle on the face of the planet, bar none. That's not just USA, that's everywhere.
jackster
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Yes , In fact here in the U.S. trucks may outnumber cars on the road here now.
Very true.
Most folks don't know it, but for over a decade the Ford F-150 pickup (the modern equivilent to what Jack drove) has been the single largest selling vehicle on the face of the planet, bar none. That's not just USA, that's everywhere.
jackster
You sound like a Ford commercial friend. I used to have my company yard down the road from where they assemble the F-150's in Norfolk, VA. Been a Ford man my whole life. Not that I drive a pickup. Right now I got a slick little Focus hatchback. ;)
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Yes , In fact here in the U.S. trucks may outnumber cars on the road here now.
Very true.
Most folks don't know it, but for over a decade the Ford F-150 pickup (the modern equivilent to what Jack drove) has been the single largest selling vehicle on the face of the planet, bar none. That's not just USA, that's everywhere.
jackster
I believe it, my Dad and I both drive F-150s. His is a 2006 and mine is a 1983, both are up and running and were also the cheapest trucks we could get our hands on that had everything we needed. Oh, and those commercials I see several times a day; "Ford F-150, the official truck of Texas!"
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Maybe our "humble commander in cheif drives one while vacationing? Huh? did I say that? DON'T get me started please.
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If'n I had the money, I would have a pickup truck and a decent car. ;)
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I've never understood the American fascination with pickups - what do you put in the back? Is it some sort of frontier hang-over? I could never quite get my head around what were evidently wealthy people in Texas going round in pickups. Something to do with cars not being a status symbol or class marker in the US as they are in England?
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Well, aside from the obvious utility uses trucks provide ( American men I think spend half their lives in Home Depot!, a building chain of stores here in the states where you can buy any type of constuction materials for the do-it-youself crowd) . I am starting to see driving these monstrocities as a trend. Judging from what I see in the parking lot at my job, the bigger the truck, the bigger the man.
It's ego-tripping in a lot of cases, with actual songs written about this. It goes:" I Met All My Wives In Traffic Jams" " There's Something Women lLke about a Pick-up Man"! believe it or not!!! ::) and the famous " She Thinks my Tractor's Sexy ". :i ??? Men and their toys are one in the same in some cases. An extension of themselves.
Some men by into this but that's freedom of choice. A status symbol on the road now, pure muscle. It's "now a get out of my way, I own the road "type attitudes that go along with this in some cases. Only in America. I love it! :cr)
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I've never understood the American fascination with pickups - what do you put in the back?
If you don’t do anything they’re a waste. But if you're involved in any type of building, construction, remodeling, lawn care, major gardening, hunting, hauling, motorcycles, camping, animal feeding, moving, catering, shipping, delivery, or biking they’re incredibly handy. Three mountain bikes, helmets, backpacks and a cooler no problem. Eight Arborvitae, a balled Oak tree, and 200 lbs. garden mulch, no problem. Not to mention, like automobiles of 50 years ago, they are much easier to get in and out of than a car if you’re over 5’5” (and over 50 ^-^). Some are ridiculously large, that’s just stupid and egotistic.
WW I guarantee, if you lived in Wyoming, worked and lived on a ranch you’d drive one, maybe a small one, but a pickup O0. Your life would be too restricted without it. I borrowed my business pickup just today to clean out an old house of used lumber, old paint, wallboard, junk furniture and to carry yard tools back and forth. There’s no way I could do that in my little Audi.
They don’t make much sense in the city, but a lot of suburbanites drive ’em. I guess Europe is so urbanized now no one works or plays outdoors anymore (just kidding, I was in pretty little Lullworth Cove, Dorchester in May :) lots of space). A lot of men have ‘em in the US cause the family has two cars; the wife drives the minivan (with the kids) so hubby drives the truck. Single men drive ‘em and some single women. Few married couples would have only a pickup (except Ennis and Alma I guess).
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I live in a small rural community in Texas & just about every guy here drives a pickup. They are extremely useful. I just called my friend in Dallas & had him come over so I could borrow his truck to haul an antique dresser I bought. My dad has always owned pickups, that's what I learned to drive in! They also are good for hauling trailers, boats, campers, etc.
I love a man in a pickup truck! Extra points if he's wearing wranglers & a cowboy hat! <^(
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If you don’t do anything they’re a waste. But if you're involved in any type of building, construction, remodeling, lawn care, major gardening, hunting, hauling, motorcycles, camping, animal feeding, moving, catering, shipping, delivery, or biking they’re incredibly handy. Three mountain bikes, helmets, backpacks and a cooler no problem. Eight Arborvitae, a balled Oak tree, and 200 lbs. garden mulch, no problem. Not to mention, like automobiles of 50 years ago, they are much easier to get in and out of than a car if you’re over 5’5” (and over 50 ^-^). Some are ridiculously large, that’s just stupid and egotistic.
WW I guarantee, if you lived in Wyoming, worked and lived on a ranch you’d drive one, maybe a small one, but a pickup O0. Your life would be too restricted without it. I borrowed my business pickup just today to clean out an old house of used lumber, old paint, wallboard, junk furniture and to carry yard tools back and forth. There’s no way I could do that in my little Audi.
They don’t make much sense in the city, but a lot of suburbanites drive ’em. I guess Europe is so urbanized now no one works or plays outdoors anymore (just kidding, I was in pretty little Lullworth Cove, Dorchester in May :) lots of space). A lot of men have ‘em in the US cause the family has two cars; the wife drives the minivan (with the kids) so hubby drives the truck. Single men drive ‘em and some single women. Few married couples would have only a pickup (except Ennis and Alma I guess).
I had to laugh when I read this part, I'm only 4'9 and when I took my teenage son to the New York car show I couldn't reach the steps of some pickups they are so large. My son who is a even 6'0 begged me not even to look at hummers. I think it was embarrassing for him to see me try to climb in one, I swear I would need a hook and some rope.
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My son who is a even 6'0 begged me not even to look at hummers. I think it was embarrassing for him to see me try to climb in one . . .
Much agreed. Of course a Hummer, (or Dummer as some call 'em) like other SUVs, ain't no pickup.
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I wonder what would have happened if Ennis could'nt fix Jack's truck when he did? Jack pulled the truck into the lot facing the wall. When we see it again , it's facing out towards the road. Jack must've started it after they got paid,, backed it out, then it died right where they stood, then Ennis fixed it. Oh the possibilities. Damn you Ennis!!
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I wonder what would have happened if Ennis could'nt fix Jack's truck when he did? Jack pulled the truck into the lot facing the wall. When we see it again , it's facing out towards the road. Jack must've started it after they got paid,, backed it out, then it died right where they stood, then Ennis fixed it. Oh the possibilities. Damn you Ennis!!
Or could it be a blooper? I had always assumed that the truck died when Jack reached Signal at the start of the movie. But what you say here is also plausible...
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aintfoolin':
This is a common misperception and was even cited in the IMBd website as a goof until I corrected them. In fact the truck was actually parked down the street from Aguirre’s trailer for the summer (he didn’t want that old thing parked in his lot!). When Jack pulls out of the lot at the end of summer (just before spying Ennis in the rearview) he pulls out from two doors further down the street. You can tell that the building he is parked in front of is not the same one that is adjacent to Aguirre’s trailer. It all makes sense when looked at in slo-mo detail. His truck was parked there for the summer and would be hard to start the first time because the fuel in carburetor had dried up.
What I’ve never understood is why didn’t Jack offer Ennis a ride? “Hey, handsome goin’ my way?” It sure would have been worth a try, I know I would have. But maybe Jack felt kinda’ put down by the “Alma and me’s getting’ married in November” comment and couldn’t bring himself to drag this thing out.
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Thanks Jackster for clearing this up. I'll have watch it again for perspective. Yeah I always wondered why Jack never offered Ennis a ride too, but like you said maybe Jack just did'nt want to prolong the inevitable any longer. Ennis had made it clear what his intentions were. He still had the truck when ,true to his word, he returned the next summer. Sturdy little monster this truck. My father owned 2 of them. With his cars, it was Chevys, with his trucks? Always Fords.
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I did notice that the truck wasn't in front of Aguirre’s trailer. As for Jack offering a ride, I assumed it was offered (at some point prior to this scene) and Ennis said no.
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I did notice that the truck wasn't in front of Aguirre’s trailer. As for Jack offering a ride, I assumed it was offered (at some point prior to this scene) and Ennis said no.
In the SS they both had trucks. I think the movie just took some dramatic license
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aintfoolin':
This is a common misperception and was even cited in the IMBd website as a goof until I corrected them. In fact the truck was actually parked down the street from Aguirre’s trailer for the summer (he didn’t want that old thing parked in his lot!). When Jack pulls out of the lot at the end of summer (just before spying Ennis in the rearview) he pulls out from two doors further down the street. You can tell that the building he is parked in front of is not the same one that is adjacent to Aguirre’s trailer. It all makes sense when looked at in slo-mo detail. His truck was parked there for the summer and would be hard to start the first time because the fuel in carburetor had dried up.
What I’ve never understood is why didn’t Jack offer Ennis a ride? “Hey, handsome goin’ my way?” It sure would have been worth a try, I know I would have. But maybe Jack felt kinda’ put down by the “Alma and me’s getting’ married in November” comment and couldn’t bring himself to drag this thing out.
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Thanks, jackster. This makes perfect sense. But how could he have moved the truck when it refused to start? I suppose Ennis helped him out with this and they got it out of the way by some temporary means...
For me, Jack didn't offer a ride because he probably assumed that this was how Ennis wanted it to be. Plus, he was already probably expecting rejection here, given that he was already rejected twice before this.
Recall that when Jack offered him a loan, Ennis refused it rather sharply. And the second rejection was when Jack asked whether he was doing this again this summer. I think that "coded" in this question was the underlying and more important question: "Do you want to see me again?" Ennis understood the nature of the question, and he said "No". It clearly disconcerted Jack, and it is understandable that he would just try to leave without offering a ride.
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. . . . But how could he have moved the truck when it refused to start?
The key here is figuring out when the truck was parked there. Not much is explained or shown in the movie, and even less in the SS. An early screenplay had them sleeping in the truck the first night. (That could have made for a whole different movie - FNIT- First Night In the Truck!!!) My timeline has been that Aguirre had them move the truck down the street later that first day or early the second day before they headed out to the mountain. So at the end of summer, when they came back, the truck was still sitting where Jack had backed it in at the begining of summer, two doors down the street. It refused to start without Ennis playing with it - just as Ennis had refused to start without Jack playing with him!! (bookend!) :)
For me, Jack didn't offer a ride because he probably assumed that this was how Ennis wanted it to be. Plus, he was already probably expecting rejection here, given that he was already rejected twice before this. . . . . It clearly disconcerted Jack, and it is understandable that he would just try to leave without offering a ride.
All sounds plausible to me, still makes my heart ache though . . . :\'(