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Re: "where the bluebirds sing and there's a whiskey spring"
« Reply #30 on: Jun 13, 2006, 12:04 AM »
Ennis the realist lives - real life isn;t utopian.
Jack dies - does this say that dreams die?
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Re: "where the bluebirds sing and there's a whiskey spring"
« Reply #31 on: Jun 13, 2006, 07:17 AM »
Quote from: welshwitch on Jun 13, 2006, 12:04 AM
Jack dies - does this say that dreams die?

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Re: "where the bluebirds sing and there's a whiskey spring"
« Reply #32 on: Jun 13, 2006, 07:19 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Jun 13, 2006, 07:17 AM
Quote from: welshwitch on Jun 13, 2006, 12:04 AM
Jack dies - does this say that dreams die?

 :\'(

I try to believe this: Jack dies; his dream lives on.

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Re: "where the bluebirds sing and there's a whiskey spring"
« Reply #33 on: Jun 13, 2006, 08:38 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Jun 13, 2006, 07:19 AM
Quote from: tpe on Jun 13, 2006, 07:17 AM
Quote from: welshwitch on Jun 13, 2006, 12:04 AM
Jack dies - does this say that dreams die?

 :\'(

I try to believe this: Jack dies; his dream lives on.



That seems so true to me; it's not until Jack dies that Ennis realizes they shared this dream, perhaps, so he carries it on.  "Jack, I swear": that I'll always love you, but also that I will remember your dream and stay faithful to it.  :(   :\'(
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Re: "where the bluebirds sing and there's a whiskey spring"
« Reply #34 on: Jun 13, 2006, 08:41 AM »
Quote from: shieldmaid on Jun 13, 2006, 08:38 AM
That seems so true to me; it's not until Jack dies that Ennis realizes they shared this dream, perhaps, so he carries it on.  "Jack, I swear": that I'll always love you, but also that I will remember your dream and stay faithful to it.  :(   :\'(

In a deep sense, Ennis lives Jack's dream in the end, no?  He is so isolated in that end.  It is as if he lives in a dream...

Thanks shieldmaid.
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Re: "where the bluebirds sing and there's a whiskey spring"
« Reply #35 on: Jun 13, 2006, 08:44 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Jun 13, 2006, 08:41 AM
In a deep sense, Ennis lives Jack's dream in the end, no?  He is so isolated in that end.  It is as if he lives in a dream...

Exactly.  He is alone, yet not exactly lonely.  Jack is with him, in a dream (remember the beginning of the short story: "he is suffused with a sense of pleasure because Jack Twist was in his dream").  Beautiful, tpe.
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Re: "where the bluebirds sing and there's a whiskey spring"
« Reply #36 on: Jun 13, 2006, 08:46 AM »
Quote from: shieldmaid on Jun 13, 2006, 08:44 AM
Quote from: tpe on Jun 13, 2006, 08:41 AM
In a deep sense, Ennis lives Jack's dream in the end, no?  He is so isolated in that end.  It is as if he lives in a dream...

Exactly.  He is alone, yet not exactly lonely.  Jack is with him, in a dream (remember the beginning of the short story: "he is suffused with a sense of pleasure because Jack Twist was in his dream").  Beautiful, tpe.

Yes, I can't help thinking that in a strange way, the film was faithful to the spirit of the short story's dream ending...

Just a feeling.  The feeling is the same...

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Re: "where the bluebirds sing and there's a whiskey spring"
« Reply #37 on: Jun 13, 2006, 09:08 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Jun 13, 2006, 08:46 AM
Yes, I can't help thinking that in a strange way, the film was faithful to the spirit of the short story's dream ending...

Just a feeling.  The feeling is the same...

I agree; that's one of the miracles of this film, that the screenwriters, director, actors were able somehow to capture the heartbreaking beauty and atmosphere of the original story.  :)
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Re: "where the bluebirds sing and there's a whiskey spring"
« Reply #38 on: Jun 13, 2006, 09:42 AM »
I concur. I have never seen a film stay so true to its source material while expanding its themes and opening them up to a whole new level. And to make a short story into a 2hr14min movie without changing Anything at its core is amazing to me!
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