Topic: What about Randall's sorrow?

[babytammy7]

Hello Dear Brokies!!!

First of all I only speak spanish so, again and again, sorry so much for my horrible english!!! 

I'd been thinking about Randall......Most of people hate Randall but he is not guilty about anything: he didn't kill Jack, he didn't know about Ennis so he didn't know about Jack's infidelity, and so then he isn't guilty or responsible about that (Jack's infidelity) 'cause he isn`t Ennis partner, this was Jack, so Jack is the only guilty about him infidelity (well and Ennis too.....). I don't know if this makes sense, I can't express myself fine.....sorry.....
But anyway, I like Randall. He was kind, gentle and nice with Jack and he was enough brave to show what he was feeling for Jack and make the first movement.

I don't really know if he was in love with Jack, but somehow he loved him or at least he liked him so so so much, 'cause he was willing to live with Jack ( and that was a dangeorus thing...a lot risks) and he was willing to leave his wife and his comfortable life and his ranch to follow Jack, and that was more than Ennis never did. So I'm asking myself: how bad did Randall feel when Jack died? I think he must have felt so much pain, so much sadness, so much lonliness...He had plans with Jack, he adored Jack, so SURE when Jack died he felt lost, devastated and scared.....and maybe he thought he was going to be killed too......

I'm sad about him......
I love Ennis, and I wanted him to be always with Jack forever, but he wasn't the only one who loved Jack......Randall maybe suffered the same pain, and lived the same nightmare  :\'(

What you think about it friends?

Kisses from Spain  You know my home is your home here in Spain!!!


                           Tammy

[tpe]

Thanks Tammy.

Personally, I don't hate Randall at all.  Granted, I don't love him that much either.  What I can say is that I find Randal very interesting -- in his role as a shadowy "alternative" for something Jack could never get from Ennis.

I think we know very little of Randall, but we do think that he looms large in the background, because it is he that stands for a possible alternative in the end -- when Jack is at his wits end about Ennis. 

Have you checked the thread devoted entirely to Randall?  You will find the discussions there very stimulating.  A lot of guesswork and speculation, because we don't know very much about him, but we can make very interesting guesses nonetheless.

But your point is well taken: Randall must have cared for Jack, if he was indeed willing to share a life in thr end.  I would think that Randall was devastated by Jack's death -- and very much afraid, too.  It probably pushed him deeper into the "closet".

[proulxfan]

Tammy,

Don't worry too much about your ability to express yourself in English. You did a great job here. :\'(

I hadn't thought about what Randall's reaction might be to Jack's death. That's an interesting topic, but since I have not read the Randall thread yet, I will wait to see if I should post my thoughts there. My partner and I are both big fans of Randall. Maybe we can team up with you to start "Team Randall"

Works for me!!

[monicita]

Hi Tammy,

I also think that Randall was important to Jack during the last years of his life. Just not as important as Ennis. And we don't really know if Randall knew nothing about Ennis. Maybe Jack told him about the love of his life? Maybe he had finally found someone he could unburden himself to? Maybe it was more comradeship than love. I would like to think that Jack found somebody he could talk to openly. We all need that!

monicita

[myprivatejack]

I´m sorry to disagree from all of you  :(because although Randall can be rather important to the end of the story,it´s true we know a little about him to really have an opinion.But perhaps he was at the end in a middle place between a simple relief as the Mexican hustlers and the great love for Ennis.I mean that perhaps he was the possibility for Jack to have a life of his own,seeing that Ennis paranoia broke all his dreams down,and this same situation made him put a greater illusion on Randall and what he could offer him in the future(it´s something that often happens when a relationship ends and you find another person few time after,I don´t know if I´m explainig well...).
What´s more,sometimes I´ve wondered if Randall was a kind of trap and if his father-in-law had something to do with it;he was a Lureen friend and probably had made business with Newsome,who hated Jack

[welshwitch]

If Randall was as he seems on the surface, just someone attracted to Jack and recognising in him something he found in himself, then Jack's death would shut down a series of possibilities for him and maybe make him more reluctant to try again - poor man, he'd also be more firmly stuck with La Shawn. He would also be in a position analagous to that of the boy Ennis when shown the body by his father; if Jack dies as Ennis beleives, b=not as Lureen says, that would surely suggest to Randall that he too is not safe.

[tpe]

I´m sorry to disagree from all of you  :(because although Randall can be rather important to the end of the story,it´s true we know a little about him to really have an opinion.But perhaps he was at the end in a middle place between a simple relief as the Mexican hustlers and the great love for Ennis.I mean that perhaps he was the possibility for Jack to have a life of his own,seeing that Ennis paranoia broke all his dreams down,and this same situation made him put a greater illusion on Randall and what he could offer him in the future(it´s something that often happens when a relationship ends and you find another person few time after,I don´t know if I´m explainig well...).
What´s more,sometimes I´ve wondered if Randall was a kind of trap and if his father-in-law had something to do with it;he was a Lureen friend and probably had made business with Newsome,who hated Jack

I think I understand what you say here, MPJ: that randall could have been a stopgap.  I certainly could have been this way -- Jack gravitating naturally to someone after he had decided to cut loose from his dream of a life with Ennis.

This is also plausible.

[tpe]

If Randall was as he seems on the surface, just someone attracted to Jack and recognising in him something he found in himself, then Jack's death would shut down a series of possibilities for him and maybe make him more reluctant to try again - poor man, he'd also be more firmly stuck with La Shawn. He would also be in a position analagous to that of the boy Ennis when shown the body by his father; if Jack dies as Ennis beleives, b=not as Lureen says, that would surely suggest to Randall that he too is not safe.

Yes, Jack's death could have been quite traumatic for Randall, too, depending on how you view him and Jack.  It could have pushed him deeper into the closet...