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Offline JnE

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Ennis had all the power...
« on: Jul 08, 2011, 02:15 AM »
When I think of how some people feel that it was a weakness - and proof of lesser love - on Jack's part to consider finding a secure - albeit less fulfilling - secondary relationship, it occurs to me that they aren't seeing the big picture here.  It was relatively "easy" - in a paralyzing, denial state, sort of way - for Ennis, to live the way he did those 20 years with Jack, considering that he knew he had the power to change things whenever - if ever - he wanted.  He knew that all he had to do was whistle and Jack would come a'runnin'!  Jack, on the other hand, didn't have such luxury.  With Ennis' lack of verbalization, Jack was in a constant state of worry and stress.  It was all on Ennis' timing.  Ennis had the security of knowing that if he felt he needed to see Jack every month (every week, every day, even!), he could; therefore, it was a safety net that lulled him to sleep, allowing him to set the one to three times a year limitations, without feeling any of the "losing Jack" anxiety.  He could adjust it anytime.  And throughout it all, Jack had to wait and wish and hope and wonder, compounded by the lack of confirmation given him from Ennis.  To think anyone could stand on such shaky ground for so long is seriously unrealistic.  It's amazing he lasted as long as he did - especially after Ennis divorced! - which is truly where everything started taking a turn for the worse.  The thing some seem to miss is that his wandering is not about love, it's about companionship.  They both knew what they had was the absolute love of their lives (Ennis not quite getting the "love" part just yet, but he did know it was something so INCREDIBLE that nothing else could reach it!).  This would not change.  But, with this lack of balance, it is simply unfair to put the judgment on Jack for something (the relationship) he certainly had no control over, whatsoever.  And let's not forget two very important factors here: First, as much as Jack wanted one, there was no actual "commitment" between the two.  Ennis shied away from that like there was no tomorrow. You could argue that there was an unspoken commitment, but like everything else unspoken, that just proved to confuse and frustrate Jack further.  It was like, Ennis didn't want a commitment, but he didn't want Jack looking elsewhere, either.  A serious sabotage.  And second, they were now setting steadily into in the mid-life crisis range.  The future was looking mighty bleak, indeed!  This was no time to be lacking in a steady foundation!!  Having said all that, however, let it be noted that I stand firmly on the fact that Ennis and Jack would have ended up making it no matter what Jack did.  If Jack ever did try to leave, it would have only been because he was trying to stop the terrible pain that he and Ennis were in, ultimately realizing that no pain could possibly compare to that of being without eachother (No doubt why Jack became careless in the end, no longer caring about anything without Ennis, subconsciously preferring death, inadvertantly setting his path towards that end), and Ennis wouldn't have lasted long without the knowledge and security that Jack was there and readily available, whenever needed.  It would have slapped him awake, but good!  Put to the true test, Ennis would have come through, just as he did in the regretful end.  It is an absolute fact that this was a love that would - and did - withstand it all -- even death... and I'll even go as far as to add, a love that will last throughout eternity.
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Offline chowhound

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Re: Ennis had all the power...
« Reply #1 on: Jul 09, 2011, 01:23 PM »
Hi JnE and welcome!
   I think there's a very real possibility that Ennis, during the summer of 1983 - that is from their meeting in the May of that year to Ennis's sending the postcard suggesting a reunion at Pine Creek on Nov 7 - has reevaluated both his relationship to Jack and to that "sweet life" so long ago proposed by Jack.
   First, it is Ennis who sends the postcard, not Jack, and I think this may well be significant. Unlike you, I see Jack as the one who primarily or even exclusively proposes the dates on when they could get together. As Ennis reminds Jack, to make the dates proposed by Jack, Ennis often had to quit the job he was currently working on - a sacrifice which Jack clearly has never had to undergo. However, this time it's Ennis who is taking the lead, something he may never have done before.
   Then there is the money angle. During the quarrel scene, Ennis complains that Jack has forgotten what it's like to be poor, a poverty, in Ennis's case, in part brought on by having to pay child support. However, we know that Ennis has only to pay such payments until each child reaches eighteen. As Alma Jr. was probably born in the autumn of 1964, then payments for her should come to a stop by the autumn of 1963. Jenny is about fifteen months younger an Alma Jr., so payments for her should also be ending fairly shortly. In other words, without these monthly payments, Ennis's financial future is looking considerably brighter and would accord him a freedom of action he's never had since the divorce.
   More important than the financial side, I believe, is the emotional. During the quarrel, Jack has at least voiced the possibility of "quitting" Ennis, something that has never been even hinted at before. I think for Ennis, the very idea that Jack might leave him would shake him to his emotional core. It would also require him to think of ways he might change things in order ensure that Jack never left him.
   I think the postcard that Ennis sends is the beginning of a response to all of this. Quite how far Ennis would have gone in moving towards establishing a "sweet life" with Jack is impossible to say but I think he is at least edging in that direction. Of course, if Ennis is changing and envisioning a different future with Jack, such changes, tragically, have come just a little too late.

Offline JnE

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Re: Ennis had all the power...
« Reply #2 on: Jul 09, 2011, 08:44 PM »
Thanks chowhound!  Very valid points, all of them.  It also occurs to me that whenever Ennis gets stressed, confused, negatively emotional - what have you - he punches out, fists and verbally.  He bitch-slapped Jack the first time they parted and regretted it for the four years they were apart, then he responded with the, "Why don't you then!" to Jack's, "I wish I knew how to quit you", which I have no doubt left Ennis feeling quite regretful, again, afterwards.  After they reunited, years before, Ennis had said - in the movie - that he thought he'd never see Jack again, and - in the book - that after a year he realized that he should never have let Jack out of his sight.  So, after knowing the feeling of having gone without Jack those first four years, I have no doubt that Ennis didn't want an instant repeat... especially with the fear that this time he may really never see him again.  So, the pursuit (the sent postcard) began, to assure Jack that he - Ennis - didn't really mean it.  In the book, the postcard says that November still looked like the first chance he could see Jack; in the movie, it's a set date of November 7th, with a request for jack to reply.  Each scenario is a pursuit of confirmation and desire to assure that everything is still okay and nothing has ended between them.

**After posting this, another thought came to me that - if my experiences are any indication - I believe that Ennis' lashing out with "Why don't you then!" was his way of not only pushing back and getting back at Jack for the pain just caused him by Jack's, "I wish I knew how to quit you", but also his way of subconsciously begging Jack to answer back with, "Because I care too much about you to quit you and I always will" (Normally, I would replace the sentiment "care" with "love", but we all know that Ennis was not yet able to comprehend that feeling - "this thing" - for Jack, which, of course, is the fundamental issue of all this!!!), thus once again filling the hole that Jack just burst open in Ennis' heart.
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Re: Ennis had all the power...
« Reply #3 on: Jul 11, 2011, 11:46 PM »
Excellent posts, friends.  :)

I would agree about Ennis having the power in the relationship. Jack knew how he felt and what he wanted from Ennis so to a certain extent he was tied to those feelings and those needs. As well as the hope that one day Ennis would agree to that sweet life Jack could envision for both of them (at least up until the divorce scene but all evidence says he held onto that hope even after that). The tragic irony is that Ennis had all of the power and at the same time had none. Because to him their fate was set and they had no other options than to get together every once in a while out in the middle of nowhere. He just couldn't bring himself to believe that the world would ever allow for anything else for them. And as long as he believed that, he was just as trapped by their circumstances as Jack was.

The other thing I'm inclined to agree with JnE about is the mindset of each of our boys. Because Jack was more aware of and in touch with his feelings, I think they were probably always a little more raw for him. In other words, the separation, Ennis' refusal to contemplate a life together, and the infrequent opportunities they had to be together wore on him in a different way than they wore on Ennis. Because Ennis had built such a wall around himself and such a stoic approach to life with the belief that it wasn't going to get any better, there was a certain acceptance he had that Jack probably never did. Much like a person with chronic pain can 'get used to it' to a certain extent, I think Ennis trod through his life with his unhappiness more as a constant dull ache that occasionally flared to unbearable life when he thought on it too closely. While Jack, I think, never quite allowed that wound to close as completely in between their trips together, so his pain was of a different nature. I guess that's why when people started a thread asking who suffered more (or something to that extent) I always said that while he was alive Jack probably suffered a little more (just because he was in touch with those feelings) but once he was gone Ennis suffered in a way that neither of them had experienced before. And of course he had to keep those feelings, and his regret, with him for the rest of his life.  :_(

I think too that neither ever realized quite how much power he had over the other because neither quite knew just how much he was loved in return.
For a moment in our lives. Forever in our hearts.

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Offline JnE

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Re: Ennis had all the power...
« Reply #4 on: Jul 12, 2011, 10:15 PM »
Wow, thanks for your insights, FlwrChild! How very perceptive of you!! I've read so many comments & disputes about whether or not Jack & Ennis completely understood their love for one another, but last night I was just considering the very thing that you mention here, about "neither quite knew just how much he was loved in return". While Ennis may not have completely understood the absolute depth of his love for Jack until he died, I think it was the powerful revelation of how much Jack loved him - renowned shirt scene - that totally blew him over to realize the fullness of his loss, love & regret. Just as his saying to Alma, Jr., "... does he love you?", shows his transformation into the complete acknowledgment of just how important it is to be greatly loved, as it is to love greatly.

I can also totally see what you're saying about, “Ennis had all the power and at the same time had none”.  How very true!!  Things are rarely “this OR that”.  Usually there is so much intermixed, and I think you hit it right on the mark.  And the “chronic pain” example you give is spot-on!!  So obvious, staring me right in the face, and yet somehow managed to evade!  You forget what “good” and “normal” feels like when you live with chronic pain… and the few moments of relief is like a miracle (I would liken those moments to whenever he met up with Jack); but those times are few and far in-between, with the pain soon returning (when he and Jack part), and Ennis expecting and then accepting it.  He's just happy for the few reprieves (meeting with Jack), which he believes is more than deserved or can be expected.  So, revel in the few moments of joy and simply “stand” the rest.  But Ennis had no idea what pain really was until Jack died and, as you wrote, “suffered in a way that neither of them had experienced before.”  Beautifully put.  This is the real punishment for living a fearful and unfulfilled life.  Good lesson that.  As bad as the possibility of what could happen was, it would be worth any risk, just to really live in the moment of the life that God graciously granted.  Living a dead life is just as good as being dead; and a long, painful, slow burn is so much worse than just ripping the bandage off.  Afterall, what's a life full of self-imposed misery compared to the other, even if the other is cut short, which it may not have been. (You still stay careful, but you just do it together!)  Lord Almighty, what a way to gain a revelation. :_(
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Re: Ennis had all the power...
« Reply #5 on: Jul 14, 2011, 08:34 PM »
I love the way you put some of those thoughts. I can actually picture it in my mind. Ennis becoming conditioned to the pain and forgetting what "good" and "normal" feel like (that's exactly what chronic pain is like). His reveling in the few moments of joy that he gets with Jack. And I see that scene where he finds the shirts in exactly the same way!

I agree too about the lesson learned. Julia Roberts has a line in Steel Magnolias: "I would rather have thirty minutes of wonderful than a lifetime of nothing special."  I think people sometimes think of that as trite but I think it reveals a deeper truth: life is meant to be lived. And to fulfill us. The prize is not in how many years we rack up but in what we do with those years. And poor Ennis learned only too late that perhaps that prize is worth risking even death for. Like you, I think that realization is evident in his question to Alma Jr.

The sadness of Jack and Ennis is that they had a great love that could never be fulfilled. The beauty of Jack and Ennis is that they had a great love. The gift of their story for us is that we can learn from their loss.
For a moment in our lives. Forever in our hearts.

"They were respectful of each other’s opinions, each glad to have a companion where none had been expected." ~ BBM Short Story

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The first way is to be kind. The second way is to be kind. The third way is to be kind. (Mister Rogers)

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Re: Ennis had all the power...
« Reply #6 on: Jul 14, 2011, 11:35 PM »
Oh boy, FlwrChild, you just opened up the floodgates...  

To pretty much paraphrase everyone who's been on this board:

WAY TO BRING ON THE WATERWORKS!!!


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Re: Ennis had all the power...
« Reply #7 on: Jul 15, 2011, 01:33 PM »
 :ghug:  :ghug:  :ghug:


Brokeback should come with flood warnings. 
For a moment in our lives. Forever in our hearts.

"They were respectful of each other’s opinions, each glad to have a companion where none had been expected." ~ BBM Short Story

There are three ways to ultimate success:
The first way is to be kind. The second way is to be kind. The third way is to be kind. (Mister Rogers)

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Re: Ennis had all the power...
« Reply #8 on: Sep 07, 2011, 05:36 PM »
in the sense that he was the pursued?

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Re: Ennis had all the power...
« Reply #9 on: Jun 21, 2012, 05:32 PM »
I love the way you put some of those thoughts. I can actually picture it in my mind. Ennis becoming conditioned to the pain and forgetting what "good" and "normal" feel like (that's exactly what chronic pain is like). His reveling in the few moments of joy that he gets with Jack. And I see that scene where he finds the shirts in exactly the same way!

I agree too about the lesson learned. Julia Roberts has a line in Steel Magnolias: "I would rather have thirty minutes of wonderful than a lifetime of nothing special."  I think people sometimes think of that as trite but I think it reveals a deeper truth: life is meant to be lived. And to fulfill us. The prize is not in how many years we rack up but in what we do with those years. And poor Ennis learned only too late that perhaps that prize is worth risking even death for. Like you, I think that realization is evident in his question to Alma Jr.

The sadness of Jack and Ennis is that they had a great love that could never be fulfilled. The beauty of Jack and Ennis is that they had a great love. The gift of their story for us is that we can learn from their loss.


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