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Offline Forever

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the opening scene
« on: Mar 20, 2012, 12:15 PM »
I don't really know if this topic, the opening scene had been already covered by you amazing brokies! ;D But I was wondering why the first time they met outside Aguirre's trailer they didn't introduced themselves, Jack stared at Ennis and said nothing, Ennis seemed to be extremely shy hiding himself under his hat. So my question is, why didn't they talked or introduce to each other ? Was it the shyness of Ennis ? Was it love at first sight for both of them ? Any thoughts ??
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Re: the opening scene
« Reply #1 on: Mar 20, 2012, 12:40 PM »
I believe the scene has been discussed in other threads.  The personalities displayed of the two characters in my opinion showed that an outgoing greeting wouldn't be initiated by either character.  They were both there looking for work and likely sizing each other up mentally in the event the job opening was for one person and not two.
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Re: the opening scene
« Reply #2 on: Mar 20, 2012, 01:46 PM »
Hey Forever,

Not exactly been covered but there are similar threads.

http://www.ennisjack.com/forum/index.php?topic=1319.0

Just for information, there is an index of discussion which could be interesting to read.

http://www.ennisjack.com/forum/index.php?topic=1504.0

Now to your questions. I am not sure why they didn't introduce each other. It could be due to shyness of Ennis or being nervous whether they were going to get their job hearing sheep. I would think it is completely ordinary when two strangers don't introduce or even try to spark conversations.

I wouldn't think it is love at first sight. As they spent more time together and got to know more, they were drawn to each other.
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Re: the opening scene
« Reply #3 on: Mar 20, 2012, 02:45 PM »
To add a bit  more here - As CSC and Ethan have pointed out, there's A LOT written about this most interesting and important scene in other threads because it sets the tone for so much of the entire film. My own abridged version of an answer is:
1. They're teenagers. Even in 1963 teenagers (especially males) weren't known for an abundance of social graces, especially when raised in remote, sparsely inhabited locales.
2. They don't really know who they are or why they're there. They may actually be competitors for the same (single) job. They have no way of knowing that they'll end up working together as a pair.
3. Ennis in particular isn't very talkative and his insecurity (partly due to his confused sexuality) keeps him from initiating any contact even though he was there first. Jack, as we learn, is much more outgoing and probably would have made a gesture if he had any kind of acknowledgement from Ennis upon his arrival.
4. Finally, it may be difficult for others to understand the "cowboy" culture of the American west where self-reliance and personal independence were (and are) cherished. Not to be confused with being rude, impolite, or hostile, it's a different view of where a man stands in the world and in relation to others. There is a point of pride in being able to survive on your own in nature's elements, and, to some extent, the need, or even the desire to be social is considered a sign of weakness. We see this as the boys try and prove themselves to one another on the mountain. Not until they each have conquered several adversities do we see them really open up and relax to one another.

Of course please keep in mind this is JMHO, there are many other viewpoints and interpretations to this wonderful scene.

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Re: the opening scene
« Reply #4 on: Mar 21, 2012, 11:59 AM »
It's always seemed to me that there is a point in that opening scene where Jack is just starting to move towards Ennis in order to introduce himself, but seeing he's not getting any encouragement from Ennis, draws back and just watches Ennis in silence.

Unable to make this introduction before their meeting with Aguirre, it is Jack who initiates the handshaking and introduction after they leave Aguirre's office and Jack who has to push the shy and withdrawn Ennis to reveal his last name.

I've always  thought too that Jack's position as the initiator is revealed when it is he who suggests that they go get a drink, early as it is - maybe only nine or ten in the morning. (Indeed, there is a deleted scene which makes this point as the bar is barely open). As they walk towards the bar, it looks a though Jack is two or three feet ahead of Ennis who is trailing somewhat reluctantly behind, his head still down.

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Re: the opening scene
« Reply #5 on: Apr 10, 2012, 10:29 PM »
I posted a thread on this about that scene and thought maybe Jack was teasing Ennis with the looks he was giving him and somebody else made me think about this scene a bit differently.