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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #30 on: Apr 19, 2006, 09:06 AM »


Ahhh .. that "damn you, Ennis" gets me every time.  Has anyone ever been "damned" by such a an intensely loving voice before?? :(  I think not.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( (incapable of saying a word)

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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #31 on: Apr 19, 2006, 10:20 AM »
Ms. Ossana was the one I think who said the film becomes tragedy in the scene at the Twist home;...

ooooooeeeeee!  Do you remember where Mrs. Ossana said that Stephen?  That is WONDERFUL!!!!

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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #32 on: Apr 19, 2006, 11:40 AM »
Wow, what a hard thread to get through!   :'( :'( :'(

That is indeed a powerful scene - even on viewing eight, after I thought I'd made peace with it all, I started crying right there (and right now ::closes office door:: ).  I think the "I can't stand this anymore" line was Ennis's way of breaking, just as Jack lost his control with anger and frustration ("I did once..."). 

In the original story, Ennis is even more stoic and repressed:
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Like vast clouds of steam from thermal springs in winter the years of things unsaid and now unsayable -- admissions, declarations, shames, guilts, fears -- rose around them. Ennis stood as if heart-shot, face grey and deep-lined, grimacing, eyes screwed shut, fists clenched, legs caving, hit the ground on his knees.

"Jesus," said Jack. "Ennis?" But before he was out of the truck, trying to guess if it was heart attack or the overflow of an incendiary rage, Ennis was back on his feet and somehow, as a coat hanger is straightened to open a locked car and then bent again to its original shape, they torqued things almost to where they had been, for what they'd said was no news. Nothing ended, nothing begun, nothing resolved.

This gives us a much different picture of Ennis, who isn't admitting anything verbally, although physically his torment is clear, and who isn't comforted by Jack, but collapses and regains his self-control all alone.   I think the "nothing ended, nothing begun, nothing resolved" gives a us a way to understand why Ennis sent a postcard as if nothing had changed.  The "almost" lets us see that Jack may be thinking of finding a way to make his own pain go away.  If only that postcard had come a couple of weeks earlier...  :'( :'( :'( :'(

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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #33 on: Apr 19, 2006, 04:57 PM »
All right. Ennis couldn't stand it anymore.

But he sent the normal postcard in October. "How about Nov 7? at the cabin..."

Was Ennis resolved to "stand it" a little longer?

Did he fear that Jack would not come?

Did he have a sense of foreboding that somehow, after that exchange, things could never be the same again?

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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #34 on: Apr 19, 2006, 05:19 PM »
All right. Ennis couldn't stand it anymore.

But he sent the normal postcard in October. "How about Nov 7? at the cabin..."

Was Ennis resolved to "stand it" a little longer?

Did he fear that Jack would not come?

Did he have a sense of foreboding that somehow, after that exchange, things could never be the same again?

As backtobrokeback pointed out, the situation was torqued back to the status quo.  I loved the way the movie modified this: by showing that Jack actually reassured Ennis by hugging him (not in the original story).  By his loving reassurances, Jack was able to bring things back to where they had begun.  He was unhappy with it, but he could not bear seeing Ennis hurt and in pain.

There is a deep significance with introducing Jack's remembrance of the dozy embrace here (again, not as in the story).  It was introduced at this point in the film because it highlights that the status quo was perhaps what they had from the very beginning -- and yet, in spite of this, Jack could not help seeing that their love had survived the 20 years on just that. 

To build the wonderful edifice of love from something so little.  That is the miracle of BBM. And yet, with this realization, something dies inside of Jack.  Because he realizes that although the love has sustained itself, it cannot develop into the dream of love he had envisioned from the very beginning.  It would be too much pain and hurt for his beloved Ennis.  He could not push the dream to fruition if it means hurting Ennis. 

The death inside of Jack at this moment is the renunciation of love for love's sake.

Jack will always love Ennis. Even as he dreamed (so close to his death) of a life with someone else, it was perhaps in order to leave the boundaries set by Ennis as they were -- boundaries already set even in that beatific flashback scene.  Because Jack knew that even within the narrow compass of that restricted relationship, their love for each other was sustained.  That, in a sense, was what he craved for all along.  Not a cabin on a ranch.  Not a cow and calf operation.  Jack lived for the very survival of their love:

'Let be...Let be...'

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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #35 on: Apr 19, 2006, 06:02 PM »
I need to cath my breath, my heart is pounding 100mph, I just went throuhg this whole thread and my eyes are full of tears.  Just to recap, yes they were about to break bust just couldn't and were back to the statu quo.

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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #36 on: Apr 19, 2006, 07:04 PM »
i can hear just right now those words on my head and it is sad to see he was still not trying to cry he was trying to hide his feelings from the world again! but his body was tired and frustrated his mind wanted to not show the truth but his heart was up to the point of explode. he didn't have anything really no wife, his daughters were growing with another father, eh didn't even have his own ranch that was his dream in his younger days he didn't accomplished none of this dreams and specially he didn't have the love he really wanted to share with Jack.

All this feelings were killing him nothing in his life was as he wanted he didn't have anything to get for him except the memories and those moments with jack and he was trying hard to get those time but his own fears retained him to don't go further. no matter how much jack tried to get close to him Ennis never really opened to him. Ennis killed jack feeling because he never let them be as they both wanted in their deeps. Ennis was affected by his childhood memories and that plus the society ideas of "two men together" created in him a big barrier between him and jack. Jack didn't care but he really love Ennis and seeing that he was hurting him so much also as the same way that the situation was afecting him he decided to let him go. maybe he would have go to randall or maybe now we don't know that . but we know that he tried to get from ennis his love and got what he thought it was love but it was not enought for him either. Jack tried hard to not hurt ennis but in  a certain way he hurt it from the begining.

i can't try to think about what could had happened if Ennis postcard was really received but never answered he was now where but he was decided to get his only happy moments with jack because even if he was nothing Jack was the only thing that make him feel real and human.
There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #37 on: Apr 19, 2006, 09:22 PM »
I think this line is saying that he can't stand to say goodbye anymore. ( I stated that in another post).  You never know if this is the last goodbye (which it was.) 

Why didn't Jack just give him a ride after their first summer?  I shout this at the TV every time I watch it.  Then there never would have been a need to go through such anguish.  Damnit.

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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #38 on: Apr 19, 2006, 09:42 PM »
I think this line is saying that he can't stand to say goodbye anymore. ( I stated that in another post).  You never know if this is the last goodbye (which it was.) 

Why didn't Jack just give him a ride after their first summer?  I shout this at the TV every time I watch it.  Then there never would have been a need to go through such anguish.  Damnit.

probably he was not sure that ennis was in a good mood at him after that fight
There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #39 on: Apr 20, 2006, 07:06 AM »
"it's alright , it's ok, Damn you Ennis" from jack that is a statement that shows -to me- that he was sorry for pushing it,  and that he understood that Ennis couldn't be pushed to give anymore than he had been. he was sorry to upset him and was caught by surprise TOTALLY! at Ennis' reaction. 'damn you' was like jack saying, ok, we  shall just have to go back to what we were and what we had. this was when jack finaly realised that that was it - No more - Ennis just couldn't do it any other way. 

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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #40 on: Apr 20, 2006, 07:12 AM »
I agree, Maria. Jack is totally taken back by Ennis' breakdown and realizes they will never change the status quo of their relationship: back to square one......And so Ennis later sends a card to suggest the next get together, feeling relaxed because everything is back to "normal", but it's too late: Jack is dead.
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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #41 on: Apr 20, 2006, 07:14 AM »
Why didn't Jack just give him a ride after their first summer?  I shout this at the TV every time I watch it.  Then there never would have been a need to go through such anguish.  Damnit.

I hear you on that one!  The last few times I've watched BBM I want to give Ennis a good swift kick during that divorce misunderstanding scene ... "Don't let Jack drive away again, you idiot!!!".
Of course, nothing changes no matter how loud I yell. "sigh"

I kind of think, realistically, that there are just a few true opportunities where Ennis, being the man he is, might have actually been able to take the steps to be with Jack more permanently. 

One is like you say, when they were leaving Brokeback that first summer (why doesn't t he go with Jack to Lighting Flat for a month?? They were a month early coming off the mountain.)  Then later, when Ennis is finally divorced and can't use poor Alma as an excuse anymore.  And of course, after "I can't stand this anymore, Jack".  The man is breaking in two here, I still believe that with a little time that confrontation may have led even our rigid Ennis to bend a little, in spite of his fears.

 Not to be. :(  Never enough time, never enough.
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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #42 on: Apr 20, 2006, 07:32 AM »
OOT.  Reading this thread and the one about the 'short leash' is literally killing me.

I should resist reading these early in the morning.

I thank you all for the beautiful posts.


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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #43 on: Apr 20, 2006, 11:54 AM »
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Not to be. Sad  Never enough time, never enough.
 

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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #44 on: Apr 21, 2006, 05:34 AM »
In the original story, Ennis is even more stoic and repressed:
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Like vast clouds of steam from thermal springs in winter the years of things unsaid and now unsayable -- admissions, declarations, shames, guilts, fears -- rose around them. Ennis stood as if heart-shot, face grey and deep-lined, grimacing, eyes screwed shut, fists clenched, legs caving, hit the ground on his knees.

"Jesus," said Jack. "Ennis?" But before he was out of the truck, trying to guess if it was heart attack or the overflow of an incendiary rage, Ennis was back on his feet and somehow, as a coat hanger is straightened to open a locked car and then bent again to its original shape, they torqued things almost to where they had been, for what they'd said was no news. Nothing ended, nothing begun, nothing resolved.

Now here is more room for interpretations... in the short story, the "why don't you let me be" and "I can't stand it anymore" parts didn't take place. Ennis never said a word - he reacted only physically. in the movie the screenwriters gave us their own interpretation to this scene by making Ennis verbalize his emotions: "why don't you just let me be, huh? it's coz of you Jack that I'm like this... I'm nothing... I'm nowhere...  (and later) I can't stand it anymore, Jack". But originally Ennis had never said that, Jack has lashed out on him, and he collapsed "as if heart-shot". If you put the movie scene aside for a minute, when you read this scene, what do you think was going through Ennis' head? What was he thinking when Jack said what he said, that made him fall apart? I'd really like to hear people's opinions...




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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #45 on: Apr 21, 2006, 06:00 AM »
In the original story, Ennis is even more stoic and repressed:
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Like vast clouds of steam from thermal springs in winter the years of things unsaid and now unsayable -- admissions, declarations, shames, guilts, fears -- rose around them. Ennis stood as if heart-shot, face grey and deep-lined, grimacing, eyes screwed shut, fists clenched, legs caving, hit the ground on his knees.

"Jesus," said Jack. "Ennis?" But before he was out of the truck, trying to guess if it was heart attack or the overflow of an incendiary rage, Ennis was back on his feet and somehow, as a coat hanger is straightened to open a locked car and then bent again to its original shape, they torqued things almost to where they had been, for what they'd said was no news. Nothing ended, nothing begun, nothing resolved.

Now here is more room for interpretations... in the short story, the "why don't you let me be" and "I can't stand it anymore" parts didn't take place. Ennis never said a word - he reacted only physically. in the movie the screenwriters gave us their own interpretation to this scene by making Ennis verbalize his emotions: "why don't you just let me be, huh? it's coz of you Jack that I'm like this... I'm nothing... I'm nowhere...  (and later) I can't stand it anymore, Jack". But originally Ennis had never said that, Jack has lashed out on him, and he collapsed "as if heart-shot". If you put the movie scene aside for a minute, when you read this scene, what do you think was going through Ennis' head? What was he thinking when Jack said what he said, that made him fall apart? I'd really like to hear people's opinions...


Keren, that's a pretty hard question to answer, but I'll give you my thoughts, for what they're worth.

I think that Ennis has always been torn apart by leaving Jack, but he manages to put it to the back of his mind because their time together was always so happy, and there would always be a next time. But then suddenly Jack tells Ennis everything about how hard he finds it and how he has to seek solace in Mexico because he "can't make it on a couple a high altitide f*cks once or twice a year" - and Ennis is terrified by the thought that maybe there won't be a next time this time. It's almost identical to the way that he reacts the first time they part - the gut cramps caused by the fear of never seeing Jack again, which he didn't recognise until a year later - only this time he knows exactly what he's feeling and all of his suppressed fear comes shooting to the surface.

Ennis simply can't bear the idea of a life without Jack in it - and the realisation that this is a possibility brings him to his knees, both literally and figuratively.

Relating my thoughts here back to what "movie Ennis" says is harder - unless you add a couple of extra words to his: It's coz of you Jack that I'm like this....I'm nothing....I'm nowhere....without you But maybe that's just me trying to find something positive out of what is a devastating scene to both read and watch....

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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #46 on: Apr 21, 2006, 06:45 AM »
What was he thinking when Jack said what he said, that made him fall apart? I'd really like to hear people's opinions...

keren_b, yes, a difficult question.  A number of old threads tried to grapple with this question.

It may be interpreted as Ennis lashing out at Jack -- blaming him for the emotional torment in his life that he thinks (rightly or wrongly) is the cause of his failure as a family man, as a breadwinner, and as a member of society as a whole.

It may be interpreted as  a true sign that the strain of living the dictum of 'If you can't fix it, you've got to stand it' was beginning to show.  Ennis could not fix it, nor could he stand it.  The outburst from Jack simply opened the floodgates.

Perhaps the most beautiful interpretation I have seen of this is contained in an old thread http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=eeb1dc4ad0c762d16b42d1a214ed4d96&topic=794.msg6993#msg6993.

I quote this beautiful interpretation in full:

I don't think that Ennis can blame Jack for being the way he is. Love goes two-ways in a relationship- I don't think Ennis meant what he said very literal, it was just an odd way of him to express how Jack's love totally changed his life, even if not for the best. I thought it was almost adorable...in an interesting way; Ennis was indirectly saying that his love for Jack was so deep that it blew him off his feet and messed up his entire life. If only situations and times were different, this wouldn't have been a negative thing, but in their very homophobic atmosphere it never could have worked.

Maybe what Ennis said to try to wound Jack came up in the heat of the moment, and he was taking his frustrations out on Jack because he just wanted to be with him. Ennis seems to always have an excuse or something/one to blame, and this was just a way for Ennis to do that- blame Jack. To me, it was heart-crushingly romantic. An amazing, emotion filled scene. 

It is this interpretation that I hold most dear.



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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #47 on: Apr 21, 2006, 07:03 AM »
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Ennis simply can't bear the idea of a life without Jack in it - and the realization that this is a possibility brings him to his knees, both literally and figuratively.

Relating my thoughts here back to what "movie Ennis" says is harder - unless you add a couple of extra words to his: It's coz of you Jack that I'm like this....I'm nothing....I'm nowhere....without you But maybe that's just me trying to find something positive out of what is a devastating scene to both read and watch....


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NoReins, I think you've hit right to the core of Ennis's anguish.

What I see through the whole film is that the rest of Ennis's life is nothing compared to the brief times he gets to spend with Jack.  The spaces in between camping trips are voids for Ennis, he exists but doesn't seem to have substance in that life.  He drifts almost ghostlike through his world when Jack isn't with him.  He goes through the motions, waiting out the days until he can be real again, take form again.  I think his relationship with Jack became the only solid thing in his world, and his only true connection (aside perhaps his daughters) is with Jack.

The threat of losing the only thing in his life that has any real meaning to him is enough to break him that last time at the lake. Both in the film, with the words, and in the short-story without.

I can definitely hear  "without you" implied in the few sentences Ennis is able to choke out at the end.
More sadness, but more confirmation of love, too.  :'(   I guess that makes this bitter-sweet.
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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #48 on: Apr 21, 2006, 07:22 AM »
Thank you tpe for your comment and the reference... that is a beautiful interpretation you quoted, but in my question I wasn't referring to the movie scene but to the short story, where Ennis didn't lash out back at Jack and didn't say anything, in fact. I know it's hard to seperate between the two, but the way I see it, Ennis' response at the movie was the screenwriters interpertation for this scene in the book, and I was wondering about other interpretations... maybe I'm not explaining myself very well.

Lindsey, your interpretation makes a lot of sense to me. it could very well be that Ennis thought Jack was about to leave him and couldn't handle the thought of that.

I also think that up until that point, Ennis had no idea how hard things were for Jack. or maybe he did but chose to repress it. there's a point in Jack's statement "you have no idea how bad it gets". and when Ennis realizes that, when he sees the pain that Jack is going through, and those words "I wish I knew how to quit you" - when he thinks that Jack is suffering so much because he, Ennis, can't give him what he wants - he can't handle that. he can't deal with Jack's pain, after all he loves him so much.
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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #49 on: Apr 21, 2006, 08:34 AM »
Keren, I think your point is well taken; in other threads from a month ago there were miscommunications because of the focus: are we talking about the story or the film!  I went back to the story after reading your post and your are so right: there is room for other interpretations. The screenwriters chose theirs, and we can choose ours!  We already know that this is the brilliance of Annie Proulx's story: one sentence, one silence, can unfold in different ways and become the seed for a whole new scene, or an alternate perspective of one......We have focused most on Jack's realization that Ennis could no longer survive the pressures......but maybe, as you and Lindsey suggest, it's Ennis who realizes Jack's vulnerabilities and his need to leave Ennis! Whatever the case, we are talking about the story as written by Annie!
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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #50 on: Apr 21, 2006, 08:34 AM »
karen_b, I see your point.

I think whatever interpretation we may give to this scene, what is central is that Ennis is reacting to all the recriminations that have been left unsaid after all those years.  I think in both the story and the screenplay version, the crux rests on Ennis becoming entirely vulnerable at that point.  This is perhaps the only time prior to Jack's death that you sense a breakdown of his stoicism. 

Ennis's silence is not as important as the image of the thermal spring that is used to describe Ennis.  It is not a question of what he was thinking, rather, it is more a question of what he was feeling.

The recriminations must have caught him off-guard.  He recognized the truth in the recriminations, and he could not be stoic in the face of it. 

Whatever the interpretation, Ennis's reaction was in the gut, and less than from his mind.  The closest parallel was when he broke down after they first parted in 1963. 

"If you can't fix it, you've got to stand it."  At this point, he was so close not being able to stand it.  Jack was probably the only one that could do this to him.


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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #51 on: Apr 21, 2006, 08:48 AM »
"If you can't fix it, you've got to stand it."  At this point, he was so close not being able to stand it.  Jack was probably the only one that could do this to him.

Jack was definitely the only one who could do that to him.

You're spot on with this, though - and the screenwriters obviously agreed since that's what Ennis says. Which leads on to mine and others (possibly hopelessly romantic, clutching-at-straws) view that if you can't stand it, you've got to fix it i.e. this wasn't the beginning of the end, rather the moment when Ennis realised that he had to try to be with Jack. I think I'll cling to my belief that November would have been the turning point - somehow that just makes it all so much easier to bear.
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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #52 on: Apr 21, 2006, 08:57 AM »
But I don't think "easier to bear" is at all what Annie Proulx or the screenwriters want us to take away from the story; this goes back to what they've said in interviews and what many have said here: the power comes from the tagic vision of the story; and isn't that what leaves us so powerfully moved and so deep in thought? Of course it's natural to fantasize possibilities for other scenarios, but the story and film, it seems to me, give no suggestions to anything approaching resolution or happiness.
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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #53 on: Apr 21, 2006, 09:22 AM »
Ach, Stephen, you're probably right - but it is hard not to fantasize about a happier scenario (although obviously still tragic since Jack still dies)

I guess these two characters have just got so deep under my skin that I can't help but wish it had all worked out. Daft, I know, since they are just that - characters in a story.
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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #54 on: Apr 21, 2006, 09:24 AM »
I think whatever interpretation we may give to this scene, what is central is that Ennis is reacting to all the recriminations that have been left unsaid after all those years.  I think in both the story and the screenplay version, the crux rests on Ennis becoming entirely vulnerable at that point.  This is perhaps the only time prior to Jack's death that you sense a breakdown of his stoicism. 

Ennis's silence is not as important as the image of the thermal spring that is used to describe Ennis.  It is not a question of what he was thinking, rather, it is more a question of what he was feeling.

The recriminations must have caught him off-guard.  He recognized the truth in the recriminations, and he could not be stoic in the face of it. 

Whatever the interpretation, Ennis's reaction was in the gut, and less than from his mind.  The closest parallel was when he broke down after they first parted in 1963. 

"If you can't fix it, you've got to stand it."  At this point, he was so close not being able to stand it.  Jack was probably the only one that could do this to him.

So true. Thank you, tpe.
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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #55 on: Apr 21, 2006, 09:32 AM »
I guess these two characters have just got so deep under my skin that I can't help but wish it had all worked out. Daft, I know, since they are just that - characters in a story.

But they're much more than just characters in a story... I'll try to explain what I mean by qouting a part of what I wrote in another thread:

...Ennis could never truly accept the fact that he loves a guy in the most romantic, passionate way possible, he could never accept this part of himself. That's what makes their story such a tragedy, that's why they couldn't have a happy ending. And the bigger tragedy is that there are a lot of people out there who live their lives just like Ennis, not being able to accept this part of themselves, and the reason they can't accept it is because of the society they live in. There are people out there who live empty, faked, half- lives because of society's ignorance and stereotypes, and I think the movie has succeeded in showing that in the most sharp and poignant way. Apart from being one of the most beautiful and tragic love stories I've ever seen on screen it also has an important and valuable message, and this message changes people's lives all around the world. And for that it deserved the Oscar.

(this is from the "what did you see in BBM that got you good" thread, you can read my full explanation there).
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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #56 on: Apr 21, 2006, 09:35 AM »
Just did, Keren - replied to it too.
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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #57 on: Apr 21, 2006, 10:33 AM »
Thanks to everyone for such beautiful and thought-provoking posts.  This is indeed a hard thread to read.  Even thinking about the ideas in these posts and the questions asked demands a lot out of us emotionally. 

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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #58 on: Apr 21, 2006, 10:36 AM »
Thanks to everyone for such beautiful and thought-provoking posts.  This is indeed a hard thread to read.  Even thinking about the ideas in these posts and the questions asked demands a lot out of us emotionally. 

It cannot be any other way.




So true, tpe.  I leave after reading these threads and feel drained.  Yet, wonderfully enriched at the same time.  Thanks to everyone.
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Re: The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
« Reply #59 on: Apr 21, 2006, 12:17 PM »
Lindsey, your interpretation makes a lot of sense to me. it could very well be that Ennis thought Jack was about to leave him and couldn't handle the thought of that.

Why would Ennis think Jack is about to leave him when just the night before Jack expressed how much he missed Ennis?

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