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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #30 on: Apr 26, 2006, 03:30 AM »
But TJ, Ennis DID have a relationship with Cassie, so that wasn't a lie.  He may have only been in it to be seen to be doing the right thing, and we know his heart wasn't in it, but he wasn't actually lying.  Jack, of course, was lying, as we know it was the rancher himself he was having an affair with, not the rancher's wife.

I think TJ is talking about the story, rather than the movie. In the story there's no reference to Cassie, other than when they're talking prior to the "miss you so much..." line and even then it's just a passing reference.
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« Reply #31 on: Apr 26, 2006, 07:35 AM »
Ok, I've just seen this scene again in it's entirety (I love the fact that I work so close to home that I could nip back for a quick BBM fix now that I've got the dvd!) and I've finally seen Jack's little sigh just before Ennis starts to speak - perfectly acted, the whole weight of the world on his shoulders, dreading what Ennis is going to say to him.

I also think he says "me neither" very quickly, which pretty much confirms what we've all said above - that he says it only to ensure that Ennis won't be driven away by the thought that Jack is gay.
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #32 on: Apr 26, 2006, 08:13 AM »
I also think he says "me neither" very quickly, which pretty much confirms what we've all said above - that he says it only to ensure that Ennis won't be driven away by the thought that Jack is gay.

If I remember correctly, Annie Proulx also wrote that he responded with "me neither" very quickly". Obviously he said that just because he knew this is what Ennis wants to hear.
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #33 on: Apr 26, 2006, 09:24 AM »
I also find it interesting that Ennis on his return, never mentions to Jack the dead sheep. With all the emotions that must have been bubbling inside him he doesn't use this as a tool with which to reproach Jack - 'this is the consequence of what we did'. Instead hes straight to the point with their relationship - he must have known this was all Jack was interesting in hearing about at that moment, and doesn't lay his own guilt regarding the sheep at Jack's door.

Maybe i'm reading more into this than what is there but i keep finding examples of Ennis protecting and 'looking after' Jack and it makes me appreciate his character more and more.

They protect each other.  Jack never told Ennis that Aguirre saw them making out.  Jack knew that Ennis would have flipped out.
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #34 on: Apr 26, 2006, 01:12 PM »
Ok, I've just seen this scene again in it's entirety (I love the fact that I work so close to home that I could nip back for a quick BBM fix now that I've got the dvd!) and I've finally seen Jack's little sigh just before Ennis starts to speak - perfectly acted, the whole weight of the world on his shoulders, dreading what Ennis is going to say to him.

I also think he says "me neither" very quickly, which pretty much confirms what we've all said above - that he says it only to ensure that Ennis won't be driven away by the thought that Jack is gay.


Yes, and the expression on Jack's face here really breaks my heart.  He says "me neither" quickly, to reassure Ennis, but he seems to look at him as though betrayed.  I don't think he wants to have to make this statement--but he wants to be "in the same place" as Ennis somehow.  If denying queerness is the way to do it, then he will.  That's another reason why I think it is so important that Ennis goes to Jack during the SNIT; Jack gives Ennis the verbal confirmation he needs, so then Ennis has to give Jack physical confirmation.
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #35 on: Apr 26, 2006, 03:46 PM »

 I love the reproach from Jack after Ennis says "you know I aint queer".  "Me neither", which is said in such a way that says "well, seeing as you said that, I suppose I'd better say it too".  But it's a half-hearted attempt to convince himself as much as Ennis.
 

Jack is constantly doing this. He matches Ennis excuse for excuse, lie for lie. After Ennis tells about "the waitress" (book) or Cassie (movie); Jack returns with "rancher's wife."

Christie and Edgar, those are both good responses. In reply to edgar, I consider the waitress and the wife to be lies, too.

Jack seemed to make himself to be equal with Ennis in many situations.

In the last movie scene together when Ennis says, "boys like you," he is one of those boys himself but refuses to admit it. In the book, Ennis says no such thing.

Edgar, you are so right, Jack does mention the rancher's wife straight after Ennis talks about Cassie.  I hadn't thought of that before.

But TJ, Ennis DID have a relationship with Cassie, so that wasn't a lie.  He may have only been in it to be seen to be doing the right thing, and we know his heart wasn't in it, but he wasn't actually lying.  Jack, of course, was lying, as we know it was the rancher himself he was having an affair with, not the rancher's wife.

Not being argumentive here  . . . But there are lots of other people besides myself who believe that the bar girl given the name of "Cassie" never existed in the first place when they read the story. I bring the story into this discussion because the name of the major section here is "The Movie & Story." The Movie is not always in agreement with the story as Annie Proulx had published in "Close Range."

To paraphrase Ennis's words here and make comparisons: "The 'I'm putting the blocks to a bar girl' is still me saying 'I'm not no queer'."

And Jack's response was more like this: "So, 'I have been having an affair with a rancher's wife' and since I am just as much as a man as you are, that is me still saying "me neither' to your 'I'm not no queer'."

Cassie only exists in the movie and she exists in Riverton, Wyoming; but, in the book, the unnamed bar girl exists in Signal, Wyoming, which is not even in the same county as Riverton. We know that they are not in the same county when Linda Higgins asks if the Brokeback Moutain is over in Fremont County when Ennis is looking for a BbM postcard in her gift shop and he says, "No, north a here."
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #36 on: Apr 26, 2006, 05:03 PM »
TJ, I think you would agree with me that we are dealing here with 3 distinct entities.

The first is of course the short story, as published in the New Yorker or 'Close Range'

The second is the screenplay, which is based from the short story, but is a distinct work of art.

The third is the movie itself, which is different in ways from both story and screenplay.

The most catholic approach is to take all three entities under the title of "Brokeback Mountain".  It is not a question of exegesis.  It is a question of appreciating 3 related works of art.

One can make a comparative analysis of all three, but I think it is best to take the stance that there is no one single authority that governs plot or characterization.  All three have something to offer.

In this light, one can proceed with greater richness.


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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #37 on: Apr 26, 2006, 05:25 PM »
Ok, I've just seen this scene again in it's entirety (I love the fact that I work so close to home that I could nip back for a quick BBM fix now that I've got the dvd!) and I've finally seen Jack's little sigh just before Ennis starts to speak - perfectly acted, the whole weight of the world on his shoulders, dreading what Ennis is going to say to him.

I also think he says "me neither" very quickly, which pretty much confirms what we've all said above - that he says it only to ensure that Ennis won't be driven away by the thought that Jack is gay.


Yes, and the expression on Jack's face here really breaks my heart.  He says "me neither" quickly, to reassure Ennis, but he seems to look at him as though betrayed.  I don't think he wants to have to make this statement--but he wants to be "in the same place" as Ennis somehow.  If denying queerness is the way to do it, then he will.  That's another reason why I think it is so important that Ennis goes to Jack during the SNIT; Jack gives Ennis the verbal confirmation he needs, so then Ennis has to give Jack physical confirmation.

I couldn't agree more.  I always felt Jack's response was meant to help ensure Ennis wouldn't be frightened away.  As long as they both perceived this experience as something they could walk away from they could deal with it for the time being.
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #38 on: Apr 26, 2006, 05:49 PM »
TJ, I think you would agree with me that we are dealing here with 3 distinct entities.

The first is of course the short story, as published in the New Yorker or 'Close Range'

The second is the screenplay, which is based from the short story, but is a distinct work of art.

The third is the movie itself, which is different in ways from both story and screenplay.

The most catholic approach is to take all three entities under the title of "Brokeback Mountain".  It is not a question of exegesis.  It is a question of appreciating 3 related works of art.

One can make a comparative analysis of all three, but I think it is best to take the stance that there is no one single authority that governs plot or characterization.  All three have something to offer.

In this light, one can proceed with greater richness.



I do agree, "tpe." And, we could have 3 different forums relating to Brokeback Mountain. I "own" two "Brokeback Mountain" Yahoo Groups, one for the movie and one for the stand-alone book. I created the one for the published book before I as given ownership of the one for the movie. I don't have a copy of the published screenplay.

Oh, "catholic?" Getting religious here? LOL It is difficult to have a "catholic," aka universal, discussion of only one version of the story because we all did not have the same English Language teachers and we all do not have American English as our first language. But, I did study Standard American English in Public School beginning in first grade and even as a refresher course when I was a graduate student.

And, we all have not had one or more college courses related to the interpretation and/or criticism of literature. (I'm not a know-it-all; but, I had one which was an English class and the other was a theology class. The same basic hermeneutical principles were to be applied in each discipline.)

With some folks in this forum, it is not exegesis, but, eisegesis. When one uses exegesis, one tries to understand the world view of the author and attempt to put oneself in the author's place. Using exegesis, one does not place one's interpretation over the authority of the original writer.

Eisegesis is the substitution of the authority of the interpreter for the authority of the original writer. Some people have interpreted some of Annie Proulx's Wyoming, country/rural, and/or Western expressions according to their lack of knowledge of those 3 areas of expression. And, Annie Proulx showed us that sometimes Jack Twist did not always interpret what Ennis said by the way he meant it. Ennis did not really threaten to kill Jack; but, Jack thought he did. When Ennis wanted a blanket before that first night in the tent, in the book he said "Got you and extra blanket?"; he did not say "Do you have an extra blanket?" Although the latter is what he meant.

IMO, the screenplay writers, at times, used eisegesis to over-ride what Annie Proulx had originally written. According to "Morgan," the moderator of the now defunct "annieproulx.com forum," what is in the books was originally what was in the manuscript she had submitted to the New Yorker Magazine.

Larry McMurtry even admitted to adding women to the original story in a Time Magazine interview. I get the magazine and I even cited that in my BbM groups.

As a "stand-alone" movie  . . . meaning if there had no Annie Proulx story in the first place, I consider it to be a great movie as long as I leave out what I know about Pentecostals, Methodists, herding sheep, camping in the (Ozark) mountains, farming, and living in the country (among other things).

As a "stand-alone" short story published in books, I consider what Annie Proulx wrote from a heterosexual woman's POV in regard to homophobia and internalized-homophobia experienced by a guy like Ennis Del Mar to be a classic. That's why I like her story better.
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #39 on: Apr 26, 2006, 05:50 PM »
Ok, I've just seen this scene again in it's entirety (I love the fact that I work so close to home that I could nip back for a quick BBM fix now that I've got the dvd!) and I've finally seen Jack's little sigh just before Ennis starts to speak - perfectly acted, the whole weight of the world on his shoulders, dreading what Ennis is going to say to him.

I also think he says "me neither" very quickly, which pretty much confirms what we've all said above - that he says it only to ensure that Ennis won't be driven away by the thought that Jack is gay.


Yes, and the expression on Jack's face here really breaks my heart.  He says "me neither" quickly, to reassure Ennis, but he seems to look at him as though betrayed.  I don't think he wants to have to make this statement--but he wants to be "in the same place" as Ennis somehow.  If denying queerness is the way to do it, then he will.  That's another reason why I think it is so important that Ennis goes to Jack during the SNIT; Jack gives Ennis the verbal confirmation he needs, so then Ennis has to give Jack physical confirmation.

Everyone's posts on this thread are really helping me to see this scene in a completely new way.  I've started to see it more clearly, and understand all about the non-verbal communication, and the way Ennis and Jack say what they say.  I now see, and totally agree with what NoReins and Shieldmaid say here, that Jack saying "me neither" is just a reaction to what Ennis says to him.  He wants this thing to continue with Ennis, and if that means "denying his queerness" then so be it.  The things we do for love.   :'(
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #40 on: Apr 26, 2006, 05:57 PM »
Everyone's posts on this thread are really helping me to see this scene in a completely new way.  I've started to see it more clearly, and understand all about the non-verbal communication, and the way Ennis and Jack say what they say.  I now see, and totally agree with what NoReins and Shieldmaid say here, that Jack saying "me neither" is just a reaction to what Ennis says to him.  He wants this thing to continue with Ennis, and if that means "denying his queerness" then so be it.  The things we do for love.   :'(

The things we do for love.  I would sometimes try to pick the moment when Jack knew he loved Ennis.  Reading these posts makes me believe that it was probably this scene on the hill.  Jack was really concerned where things stood between he and Ennis. It doesn't surprise me that he would downplay the "queerness" of this situation to avoid scaring Ennis. I think he would have said anything to be on the same page with Ennis.  His eyes told all.
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #41 on: Apr 26, 2006, 06:21 PM »
I would say that Annie Proulx tried to use exegesis in her attempt to understand the world view of her character Ennis Del Mar. That is why she ended up with so many unanswered questions in the minds of her readers.
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« Reply #42 on: Apr 26, 2006, 06:26 PM »
Everyone's posts on this thread are really helping me to see this scene in a completely new way.  I've started to see it more clearly, and understand all about the non-verbal communication, and the way Ennis and Jack say what they say.  I now see, and totally agree with what NoReins and Shieldmaid say here, that Jack saying "me neither" is just a reaction to what Ennis says to him.  He wants this thing to continue with Ennis, and if that means "denying his queerness" then so be it.  The things we do for love.   :'(

The things we do for love.  I would sometimes try to pick the moment when Jack knew he loved Ennis.  Reading these posts makes me believe that it was probably this scene on the hill.  Jack really was really concerned where things stood between he and Ennis. It doesn't surprise me that he would downplay the "queerness" of this situation to avoid scaring Ennis. I think he would have said anything to be on the same page with Ennis.  His eyes told all.

Wow--that's a great point.  Clearly Jack is attracted to and really likes Ennis for a long time before this scene (short story: "each glad to have a companion where none had been expected").  But seeing this as the moment when Jack realizes the depth of his feelings--that also changes my interpretation of their interaction.  As someone said earlier, he waits all day for Ennis to return from the sheep and react to the FNIT--and finally he can't wait any longer.  His feelings are uncontrollable--but he manages to hold them in check as he waits for Ennis to respond.  Beautiful.
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #43 on: Apr 26, 2006, 06:45 PM »
i really love this scene guys it is so full of non verbal language!!! Jack looking at the horizon on the floor and Ennis comming one have to wonder how much time would Ennis had stared at Jack and how long he would take to him to get the enough courage to talk to Jack, we know that Ennis is not good and words and he probably was trying to find the best way to aproach Jack. and the our Jack  (i said our LOL if my girlfriend read this i'm dead :P) looking at Ennis with those eyes he was screaming his feelings to Ennis but he just stood there as Ennis talked to him. I realize Jack attraction towards Ennis from the begining but it most beautiful moment is on the bear scene when he trieds to heal Ennis and Ennis couldn't hold Jack's hands on his body heals himselft. and not to mention when they talk Jacks eyes were saying more than he really said.
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #44 on: Apr 27, 2006, 06:48 AM »
the best is when Ennis kicks the snow and sulks when Jack tells him they gotta leave earlier than expected.  Ennis knew his time was cut short - he wasn't ready for that, doesn't know how to handle it and is dissapointed and takes it out on Jack.  Then there is the look on Jack's face when Ennis says about leaving his shirt up on the mountain.  A  blank look yet there is that look.
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« Reply #45 on: Apr 27, 2006, 08:11 PM »
Yes, in the scene by the truck when Ennis makes the comment about the shirt, I absolutely knew Jack had taken it. Didn't know they would book-end it so amazingly though! As to the scene on the mountain, I'm just so impressed by how much emotion these guys are able to show us While in Profile! More than most actors in a front-view closeup. Beautiful!
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2006, 01:26 PM »
Yes, in the scene by the truck when Ennis makes the comment about the shirt, I absolutely knew Jack had taken it. Didn't know they would book-end it so amazingly though! As to the scene on the mountain, I'm just so impressed by how much emotion these guys are able to show us While in Profile! More than most actors in a front-view closeup. Beautiful!

Yes, the more I think about it, the more I'm impressed that Ang Lee chose to shoot this scene in this way.  It really tells us a lot about their relationship to one another: they can't yet face each other (or their growing love for one another), and they certainly can't make it public (as perhaps facing the camera would suggest), so they sit side-by-side, backs to the camera, barely able to look at one another.  They don't touch and speak only 25 words total.  Yet we understand--and share--the tension of their unexpressed longing.  As the sun goes down across from their mountain, so their attraction for one another grows.
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2006, 03:38 PM »
This is one of my favourite scenes.  It is getting darkish, so I have presumed that Jack waited all day, and then couldn't wait any more, so went up the mountain to see if he could fix things.   In terms of body language, watch the rifle in Ennis's hand.  As soon as he moved it to his other side, I knew the thing between them was bigger than he(Ennis) could ever deal with, and that their relationship would continue.  I knew things would be 'ok'. 

I found this pic today, and noticed that Ennis' rifle is on the ground beside him. Have never seen that before, and even though ellyjay says that when Ennis holds the rifle, he moves it to the other side, I never actually saw that happen in the film.  But this pic proves it did happen, and by doing so, you could say Ennis was not hiding behind a shield (the gun), but opening himself up to such wonderful possibiilties with Jack.

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« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2006, 04:07 PM »
I found this pic today, and noticed that Ennis' rifle is on the ground beside him. Have never seen that before, and even though ellyjay says that when Ennis holds the rifle, he moves it to the other side, I never actually saw that happen in the film.  But this pic proves it did happen, and by doing so, you could say Ennis was not hiding behind a shield (the gun), but opening himself up to such wonderful possibiilties with Jack.

I love this photo, it's on my desktop actually. But in the movie we don't see Ennis putting his rifle on the ground, and this photo seems brighter than in the movie. it's not a screencup, I think this one was taken for promotion purposes, no?
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« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2006, 05:16 PM »
I found this pic today, and noticed that Ennis' rifle is on the ground beside him. Have never seen that before, and even though ellyjay says that when Ennis holds the rifle, he moves it to the other side, I never actually saw that happen in the film.  But this pic proves it did happen, and by doing so, you could say Ennis was not hiding behind a shield (the gun), but opening himself up to such wonderful possibiilties with Jack.

I love this photo, it's on my desktop actually. But in the movie we don't see Ennis putting his rifle on the ground, and this photo seems brighter than in the movie. it's not a screencup, I think this one was taken for promotion purposes, no?

Yeah, I agree with Keren here. Just watched that bit of the movie again (along with some other bits ;)) and we definitely don't see that shot. We don't see whether Ennis put the rifle down or not (although I think he would have) because all we see is the back of his head and the side of his face.
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« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2006, 01:13 PM »
The promotional picture is so fascinating because they're not sitting next to each other as they do in the film, but Ennis is a little farther ahead.   Yet note the position of Jack's legs!!  (please don't think I just have a dirty mind, though!)  I think it suggests that he's turning toward Ennis, and Ennis is farther down the mountain as the poster is symbolically suggesting his difficulty with the relationship.  Also, Ennis's head is visible here (albeit from behind), whereas Jack's is not.  Another version of the Titanic-like promo poster, in which Jack is looking down and Ennis to the side.
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« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2006, 02:15 PM »
Jack's head is visible too, you just have to scroll the pic to the right...  :)
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« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2006, 04:17 PM »
Jack's head is visible too, you just have to scroll the pic to the right...  :)

Whoops, my bad.  ;)  Thanks!
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« Reply #53 on: May 13, 2006, 11:35 AM »
You can see Jack's emotional pain in this scene.  When Ennis says "...one shot thing we got going on here", Jack LOOKS and sounds hurt to  me.  His "Its nobody's business but ours" sounds almost accusitory.  If he indeed DID go up to Ennis in this scene, I think it took a lot of courage on his part, after Ennis riding off that morning not answering his "See you at supper".  But I think he was afraid that Ennis might stay with the sheep all night without coming in for supper, and I don't think Jack could have stood that.
He had to get some feeling of how Ennis was thinking at this point.  I believe he was afraid that he'd lose Ennis' friendship because of what happened FNIT.  I think they both felt like they were walking on eggshells.

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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #54 on: May 13, 2006, 04:10 PM »
He had to get some feeling of how Ennis was thinking at this point.  I believe he was afraid that he'd lose Ennis' friendship because of what happened FNIT.  I think they both felt like they were walking on eggshells.

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I think that stuck out to me quite a bit thru that scene. Even the look on his face as Ennis rode off that morning was a look of worry.
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #55 on: May 13, 2006, 04:25 PM »
I think they both felt like they were walking on eggshells.

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THis is a very apt description. 

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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #56 on: May 13, 2006, 04:43 PM »
I found this pic today, and noticed that Ennis' rifle is on the ground beside him. Have never seen that before, and even though ellyjay says that when Ennis holds the rifle, he moves it to the other side, I never actually saw that happen in the film.  But this pic proves it did happen, and by doing so, you could say Ennis was not hiding behind a shield (the gun), but opening himself up to such wonderful possibiilties with Jack.

I love this photo, it's on my desktop actually. But in the movie we don't see Ennis putting his rifle on the ground, and this photo seems brighter than in the movie. it's not a screencup, I think this one was taken for promotion purposes, no?

Yeah, I agree with Keren here. Just watched that bit of the movie again (along with some other bits ;)) and we definitely don't see that shot. We don't see whether Ennis put the rifle down or not (although I think he would have) because all we see is the back of his head and the side of his face.


Keren and Noreins, I know you are both no doubt right about this pic, but I just think it is still quite nice to imagine things about a scene that we don't get to see.  You know, like how long were they up there for after Jack says "Me neither"?  Do they say anything else to each other? 
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #57 on: May 13, 2006, 10:47 PM »

Keren and Noreins, I know you are both no doubt right about this pic, but I just think it is still quite nice to imagine things about a scene that we don't get to see.  You know, like how long were they up there for after Jack says "Me neither"?  Do they say anything else to each other? 

christie, that's exactly what I've been wondering.  Can you imagine the charged silence between them after this exchange took place?  Who got up first and led the way back to the horses?  Where Ennis looked--and what he thought about--while Jack was making dinner that night?  ;)  I like to think that they probably didn't say anything else while sitting together but that maybe they glanced sideways at one another a couple more times.  Maybe Jack led the way back to the horses--giving Ennis the chance to admire the view. . . .
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #58 on: May 14, 2006, 07:06 AM »

Keren and Noreins, I know you are both no doubt right about this pic, but I just think it is still quite nice to imagine things about a scene that we don't get to see.  You know, like how long were they up there for after Jack says "Me neither"?  Do they say anything else to each other? 

christie, that's exactly what I've been wondering.  Can you imagine the charged silence between them after this exchange took place?  Who got up first and led the way back to the horses?  Where Ennis looked--and what he thought about--while Jack was making dinner that night?  ;)  I like to think that they probably didn't say anything else while sitting together but that maybe they glanced sideways at one another a couple more times.  Maybe Jack led the way back to the horses--giving Ennis the chance to admire the view. . . .

That's an interesting line of thought... I love this scene. the looks, the silence, the music. I don't think they said anything after that, I think they just sat there... and then one of them said maybe, "time to head down to the camp" or something like that. and I think they ate in silence, no jokes or songs or stories this time...
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Re: sitting on the mountain together
« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2006, 07:14 AM »

Keren and Noreins, I know you are both no doubt right about this pic, but I just think it is still quite nice to imagine things about a scene that we don't get to see.  You know, like how long were they up there for after Jack says "Me neither"?  Do they say anything else to each other? 

christie, that's exactly what I've been wondering.  Can you imagine the charged silence between them after this exchange took place?  Who got up first and led the way back to the horses?  Where Ennis looked--and what he thought about--while Jack was making dinner that night?  ;)  I like to think that they probably didn't say anything else while sitting together but that maybe they glanced sideways at one another a couple more times.  Maybe Jack led the way back to the horses--giving Ennis the chance to admire the view. . . .

That's an interesting line of thought... I love this scene. the looks, the silence, the music. I don't think they said anything after that, I think they just sat there... and then one of them said maybe, "time to head down to the camp" or something like that. and I think they ate in silence, no jokes or songs or stories this time...

Definitely. I think the next words spoken between them were probably the "s'alright" that Jack whispers in SNIT.
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