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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #150 on: Jun 16, 2006, 06:38 AM »
In the Opening Scene ,
This scene is striking in its lack of dialog as the two main characters first meet and assess each other in a silent sequence of western male posturing.
The peace and quiet that has flowed from the film's beginning is now loudly disrupted by a passing train

First we have the tranquility  and pastoral mood of the mountain,than all that follows interupting their love

Of course, I think even their silent looks have double meanings here: partly cautious and challenging, and also partly  affirming.  How many times have we encountered such looks before?

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #151 on: Jun 16, 2006, 06:41 AM »
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"Damn you Ennis."
 
Everything Jack says and does, even in anger, (especially in anger) springs from the fact that he
loves Ennis above all others, above everything else in his life.
 
Damn you Ennis = I love you Ennis. You're breaking my heart

I agree with this...

I've always felt that Jack was saying, I love you Ennis, but he was also a little angry because no matter how mad he is at Ennis it still breaks his heart to see him hurting... he is talking about "quiting" Ennis but Ennis' tears break down all his resolve and make him feel Ennis' pain as much as his own... something he maybe didn't want to do at that point, given all they had just said to each other.

Maybe in a way his "Damn you, Ennis" could also be interpreted as Jack saying, "If you would just admit you love me maybe neither of us would be hurting right now" or "maybe it's because of me that you are like this, but it's your fault we are both lonely and miserable."

Just my thoughts...


I do think Jack always knew that Ennis loved him.  But I know what you mean here: Jack wanted the life to go with that love.  I also felt that when he damns Ennis, he damns himself, for being so much in love that it hurts.



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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #152 on: Jun 16, 2006, 06:46 AM »
As far as the train is concerned, it's always been the great symbol of American industrialisation/mechanisation/progress - this one is the antithesis of the pastoral world in which Ennis spends much of his life, but from which Jack moves away - he makes his living selling machines, after all.

This is the first thing we contrast with the pastoral world of the Mountain: the world of Signal and the plains.  The image of the freight train is of course one of the most powerful symbols of small town USA.   Their Main Steets always lie in proximity to the train routes -- an affirmation that the railways are the lifeblood of the communities.  How striking does all this contrast with the silence and isolation of the Mountain.


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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #153 on: Jun 16, 2006, 09:52 AM »
In a sense, too, the train is a connection with the rest of the world, that world in which so much is happening that they don't know about and never seem aware of later. The mountain is a place that's not connected with, if you like, the lower world - in the ss they look down "suspended above ordinary affairs" - here the train passes Ennis by and Jack drives in the opposite direction. In a way that symbolises them; Ennis cut off and isolated, Jack at odds with the wordl around, as he's often at odds with authority and convention.

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #154 on: Jun 16, 2006, 01:20 PM »
Whew -- the last number of posts are just beautiful, the interpretation of these scenes.  It's almost too much for me at the moment, too much to contemplate so deeply.  Maybe I'm just hungry -- almost lunchtime.   :P  But just to say I really appreciate these astute observations articulately expressed.  Thank you all.

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #155 on: Jun 16, 2006, 08:37 PM »
The train at the beginning had a different meaning to me...
I notice how Ennis is standing by Aguirres' trailer and the train comes by.  The loud train with it's barreling clacking noises always startles me and I take this to mean that Ennis too is about to be given a loud awakening, so to speak.  Then the train rushes by, breaking up the picture of Ennis against the trailer, it is almost like we are getting snapshots of the old Ennis because in the next shot we see the train making it's exit, right while Jack enters the scene in his loud unapologetic cranky truck.  I don't think it's an accident that as the train in leaving, Jack arrives to shake up Ennis' old life.
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #156 on: Jun 16, 2006, 10:05 PM »
The train at the beginning had a different meaning to me...
I notice how Ennis is standing by Aguirres' trailer and the train comes by.  The loud train with it's barreling clacking noises always startles me and I take this to mean that Ennis too is about to be given a loud awakening too, so to speak.  Then the train rushes by, breaking up the picture of Ennis against the trailer, it is almost like we are getting snapshots of the old Ennis because as we see the next shot shows the train making it's exit, we see and hear Jack in his loud unapologetic cranky truck.  I don't think it's an accident that as the train in leaving, Jack arrives to shake up Ennis' old life.


Interesting perspective.  To me it's similar but just a little different.  Ennis is unaffected by the noisy clamor of the train passing.  Life passing him by in some measures and leaving him standing there.  When Jack came, however, it's in the quiet, waiting silence that Jack begins to have an effect on him.

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #157 on: Jun 17, 2006, 12:47 AM »
The train at the beginning had a different meaning to me...
I notice how Ennis is standing by Aguirres' trailer and the train comes by.  The loud train with it's barreling clacking noises always startles me and I take this to mean that Ennis too is about to be given a loud awakening too, so to speak.  Then the train rushes by, breaking up the picture of Ennis against the trailer, it is almost like we are getting snapshots of the old Ennis because as we see the next shot shows the train making it's exit, we see and hear Jack in his loud unapologetic cranky truck.  I don't think it's an accident that as the train in leaving, Jack arrives to shake up Ennis' old life.


Interesting perspective.  To me it's similar but just a little different.  Ennis is unaffected by the noisy clamor of the train passing.  Life passing him by in some measures and leaving him standing there.  When Jack came, however, it's in the quiet, waiting silence that Jack begins to have an effect on him.

I just love all these perspectives!  I think I'm feel the most resonance with your words, dalemidex.  And probably, we might see the same scenes later on when our own lives are a slightly different color or focus, and see the scene in another way...  That's what's so rich about this movie -- like a prism of interpretations.

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #158 on: Jun 17, 2006, 07:40 AM »
Thanks, Kathy.  Learning how the movie has different meanings to different people broadens my own appreciation for it.  As you said, so much depends on your own place and point in life.

You know, Ennis' action in that scene reminds me of something from my background.  I grew up on a dairy farm and absolutely love cows.  If you've ever driven by them in a pasture, you'll notice they don't pay a bit of attention.  Our farm was adjacent to train tracks and the cows were equally oblivious as they came and went.  But walk toward a cow and they definitley notice, reacting cautiously, skeptically, turning away.

Thinking about it, there are a lot of qualities in Ennis I love in cows. Somewhat docile and seeminly unaffected.  Wary and skeptical.  A bit rough but surprisingly gentle when they let you in, even if they seem a little awkward and tentative.  Hmmm.  Perhaps another reason why, in spite of finding Jack irresistible, it is Ennis my thoughts are drawn to.

Thanks for indulging me on this!


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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #159 on: Jun 17, 2006, 07:41 AM »
Sorry for getting so off topic here......

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #160 on: Jun 17, 2006, 11:04 AM »
So many different thoughts  as what the passing train means ...I'm  really perplexed!!
It's so mind blowing,to read all those interpretations of everyone  :t)

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #161 on: Jun 17, 2006, 11:58 AM »
So many different thoughts  as what the passing train means ...I'm  really perplexed!!
It's so mind blowing,to read all those interpretations of everyone  :t)

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Yes, it is amazing how one movie can bring forth so many different meanings.

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #162 on: Jun 17, 2006, 05:54 PM »
So many different thoughts  as what the passing train means ...I'm  really perplexed!!
It's so mind blowing,to read all those interpretations of everyone  :t)

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Yes, it is amazing how one movie can bring forth so many different meanings.




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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #163 on: Jun 17, 2006, 07:56 PM »
So many different thoughts  as what the passing train means ...I'm  really perplexed!!
It's so mind blowing,to read all those interpretations of everyone  :t)

 <^( <^(

Yes, it is amazing how one movie can bring forth so many different meanings.



Yes it is amazing and I love reading all of the different interpretations.  :)
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #164 on: Jun 17, 2006, 11:21 PM »
So many different thoughts  as what the passing train means ...I'm  really perplexed!!
It's so mind blowing,to read all those interpretations of everyone  :t)

 <^( <^(

Yes, it is amazing how one movie can bring forth so many different meanings.



Yes it is amazing and I love reading all of the different interpretations.  :)

I agree, these are wonderful interpretations!
If I may add yet another interpretation -- albeit a rather simple-minded one:

I saw the train as a metaphor for Ennis:

A train cannot choose its own path.
It must stay on rails laid down by others.
And to leave those rails means sure disaster.

Also, to operate safely, trains must be separated by long distances.

So a train is a "loner" of sorts.

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #165 on: Jun 18, 2006, 02:48 AM »
Thanks, Kathy.  Learning how the movie has different meanings to different people broadens my own appreciation for it.  As you said, so much depends on your own place and point in life.

You know, Ennis' action in that scene reminds me of something from my background.  I grew up on a dairy farm and absolutely love cows.  If you've ever driven by them in a pasture, you'll notice they don't pay a bit of attention.  Our farm was adjacent to train tracks and the cows were equally oblivious as they came and went.  But walk toward a cow and they definitley notice, reacting cautiously, skeptically, turning away.

Thinking about it, there are a lot of qualities in Ennis I love in cows. Somewhat docile and seeminly unaffected.  Wary and skeptical.  A bit rough but surprisingly gentle when they let you in, even if they seem a little awkward and tentative.  Hmmm.  Perhaps another reason why, in spite of finding Jack irresistible, it is Ennis my thoughts are drawn to.

Thanks for indulging me on this!


That's beautiful, your words about Ennis.  I love the cow analogy!  All the ways you said, and especially in that first scene, his actions are just as you describe -- cautious and turning away (but then he peeks), while Jack's strutting like a peacock.  What a pair!   <^(

And perhaps I'm drawn to Ennis for his depth.  Jack is right out there on the surface (and your "irresistable" is the perfect word for him); but Ennis, you have to look a little deeper.  I guess I relate to that.  Or maybe it's as simple as, the person who isn't all out there on the surface is a bit more of a challenge, for people who like that kind of challenge -- must see what's inside there...

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #166 on: Jun 18, 2006, 02:49 AM »

I agree, these are wonderful interpretations!
If I may add yet another interpretation -- albeit a rather simple-minded one:

I saw the train as a metaphor for Ennis:

A train cannot choose its own path.
It must stay on rails laid down by others.
And to leave those rails means sure disaster.

Also, to operate safely, trains must be separated by long distances.

So a train is a "loner" of sorts.


Lovely -- very poetic...

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #167 on: Jun 18, 2006, 02:54 AM »
I don't know if this exactly goes here, or if it's more like a "symbolism" thing, but the train -- I am also always startled by the noise right then in that scene -- reminds me of this:

Ennis in bed with Alma, when he flips her over and gives out a big loud grunt (loud in the context of a dark and quiet bedroom) / and wham! the scene immediately goes to the really loud rodeo scene and Jack going out of the chute.  That always startles me also.  That rough act in the bed shocks us awake and then the rodeo really shocks us awake even more.

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #168 on: Jun 18, 2006, 05:30 AM »
I don't know if this exactly goes here, or if it's more like a "symbolism" thing, but the train -- I am also always startled by the noise right then in that scene -- reminds me of this:

Ennis in bed with Alma, when he flips her over and gives out a big loud grunt (loud in the context of a dark and quiet bedroom) / and wham! the scene immediately goes to the really loud rodeo scene and Jack going out of the chute.  That always startles me also.  That rough act in the bed shocks us awake and then the rodeo really shocks us awake even more.

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Those scenes startle me too.

Here's another one -- the thunderclap during the hailstorm on BBM. I feel as if Mother Nature herself is warning the boys of trouble ahead. (Right before this, Jack has a bad feeling about Aguirre and his binoculars.) Ka-BOOM!

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #169 on: Jun 18, 2006, 03:55 PM »
I don't know if this exactly goes here, or if it's more like a "symbolism" thing, but the train -- I am also always startled by the noise right then in that scene -- reminds me of this:

Ennis in bed with Alma, when he flips her over and gives out a big loud grunt (loud in the context of a dark and quiet bedroom) / and wham! the scene immediately goes to the really loud rodeo scene and Jack going out of the chute.  That always startles me also.  That rough act in the bed shocks us awake and then the rodeo really shocks us awake even more.

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Those scenes startle me too.

Here's another one -- the thunderclap during the hailstorm on BBM. I feel as if Mother Nature herself is warning the boys of trouble ahead. (Right before this, Jack has a bad feeling about Aguirre and his binoculars.) Ka-BOOM!


Beautiful observation.  Thank you.

To me that rodeo scene has a double meaning.  It shows Jack trying to ride out the yearning in his heart.  He fails.




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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #170 on: Jun 18, 2006, 04:20 PM »
I don't know if this exactly goes here, or if it's more like a "symbolism" thing, but the train -- I am also always startled by the noise right then in that scene -- reminds me of this:

Ennis in bed with Alma, when he flips her over and gives out a big loud grunt (loud in the context of a dark and quiet bedroom) / and wham! the scene immediately goes to the really loud rodeo scene and Jack going out of the chute.  That always startles me also.  That rough act in the bed shocks us awake and then the rodeo really shocks us awake even more.

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I know exactly what you mean, it made me jump when I first watched it! I said something similar on another thread, it's so well done the way the Ennis and Alma scene suddenly cuts to the Jack scene. The image of Jack on the bull is a very powerful and sexual one, and it fits perfectly to show what Ennis is thinking about when he's with Alma.
There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #171 on: Jun 18, 2006, 07:35 PM »
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Those scenes startle me too.

Here's another one -- the thunderclap during the hailstorm on BBM. I feel as if Mother Nature herself is warning the boys of trouble ahead. (Right before this, Jack has a bad feeling about Aguirre and his binoculars.) Ka-BOOM!

Wow -- I hadn't taken note of this -- I'll have to watch.  Is it right before the hailstorm or what?

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #172 on: Jun 18, 2006, 07:39 PM »

Beautiful observation.  Thank you.

To me that rodeo scene has a double meaning.  It shows Jack trying to ride out the yearning in his heart.  He fails.


Oh god, that's a good one.  Sometimes these things have to be pointed out to me, but then I get it.  The fact that he loses this first time we see him rodeoing (and then the painful scene in the bar with Jimbo or whoever he heck he is who I don't like).  Or it could be he can't hold on to Ennis, or to his feelings for Ennis, and falls off...  But then, he holds on for the 8 seconds when Lureen's watching, so he snags her instead.

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #173 on: Jun 18, 2006, 07:41 PM »
I don't know if this exactly goes here, or if it's more like a "symbolism" thing, but the train -- I am also always startled by the noise right then in that scene -- reminds me of this:

Ennis in bed with Alma, when he flips her over and gives out a big loud grunt (loud in the context of a dark and quiet bedroom) / and wham! the scene immediately goes to the really loud rodeo scene and Jack going out of the chute.  That always startles me also.  That rough act in the bed shocks us awake and then the rodeo really shocks us awake even more.

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I know exactly what you mean, it made me jump when I first watched it! I said something similar on another thread, it's so well done the way the Ennis and Alma scene suddenly cuts to the Jack scene. The image of Jack on the bull is a very powerful and sexual one, and it fits perfectly to show what Ennis is thinking about when he's with Alma.

Yes indeed, a very visceral connection there between Ennis and Jack, and both very sexual or sexual-ish scenes...

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #174 on: Jun 18, 2006, 10:53 PM »
Wow -- I hadn't taken note of this -- I'll have to watch.  Is it right before the hailstorm or what?

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Yes, it's at 35:33 of the movie, at the very beginning of the storm scene, before the hail actually starts to fall. Made me jump out of my seat in the theater.

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« Reply #175 on: Jun 19, 2006, 07:16 AM »

Beautiful observation.  Thank you.

To me that rodeo scene has a double meaning.  It shows Jack trying to ride out the yearning in his heart.  He fails.


Oh god, that's a good one.  Sometimes these things have to be pointed out to me, but then I get it.  The fact that he loses this first time we see him rodeoing (and then the painful scene in the bar with Jimbo or whoever he heck he is who I don't like).  Or it could be he can't hold on to Ennis, or to his feelings for Ennis, and falls off...  But then, he holds on for the 8 seconds when Lureen's watching, so he snags her instead.

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I do love the double meaning in their names.  I find the names so apt, and both actors were so good in the portrayal. 


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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #176 on: Jun 22, 2006, 09:54 AM »
Following this fascinating discussion on trains (so symbolic!), sounds and the double meaning of the rodeo scenes (tpe, wonderful connection!) I was reminded of how also certain words or phrases have been doubled or used repeatedly.

We see "cowboy" used a lot: a term of endearment between Jack and Ennis, as a come on by Lureen to Jack, a brush off by the rodeo clown to Jack.

Of course, the boys are always calling each other "friend" or "bud".

What strikes me as spooky though, I will admit, is the line "so, here I am".   

We first hear those words from Aguirre's lips, when he rides up to tell Jack about his Uncle being sick. "Your ma wanted me to tell you ... So, here I am".  He's looking up the mountain with his binoculars, and Jack turns his gaze up there, too, seeing what he see;  Ennis riding among the herd of sheep, unaware that he's being watched.  Ennis is in blissful ignorance of how there can indeed be prying eyes even in the sanctuary of their mountain, so is able to continue their relationship through the rest of the summer, without the fear of exposure inhibiting him.

Then later, in the dreaded divorce misunderstanding Jack says to Ennis "Got your postcard your divorce had come through ... So, here I am".  He even says it with same kind of rhythm that Aguirre used.  A few seconds later and he realizes his mistake, as Ennis is stumbling over his excuses and looking off toward the distance.  Jack follows his gaze, too, and this time sees that truck passing by and understands that Ennis is fearing being seen with him.  Ennis doesn't KNOW if he's being watched, but he is fearful that this is the case, and his suspicions are enough to further fuel his withdrawal and set new bruises on their relationship.  Bruises that will have heartbreaking consequences later on.

There is also the phrase "Tell you what ... ".  Jack may have picked this up from his father.  He uses it that last camping trip .. "Tell you what ... truth is, sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it". 

Then of course, John Twist uses it with his last words spoken to Ennis after Jack has died, "Tell you what ... we got a family plot, and he's goin' in it". 

Both times, "Tell you what .. " is followed by things that Ennis would probably have preferred not to hear, because each pronouncement is a blow to his heart, I think, though in very different ways. 

Hearing it from Jack, it's confirmation of the depth of Jack's feelings, the hurt he's been enduring all these years, what Ennis knew he was doing to him but couldn't - or wouldn't - change.  Here, finally, put into simple words and sent out into the night air, can't be denied, can't be ignored, though Ennis surely does try.

Nor can he ignore after John Twist's words at the end that Jack isn't going to have his wishes answered in death either, and Ennis has no power to change that.  Except, as we believe, through the guardianship of the shirts that represent their history and their love.

I may be reaching on these, but as we've come to realize ... there is little in BBM that isn't there for a reason ....   :-\\
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #177 on: Jun 22, 2006, 10:01 AM »
Following this fascinating discussion on trains (so symbolic!), sounds and the double meaning of the rodeo scenes (tpe, wonderful connection!) I was reminded of how also certain words or phrases have been doubled or used repeatedly.

We see "cowboy" used a lot: a term of endearment between Jack and Ennis, as a come on by Lureen to Jack, a brush off by the rodeo clown to Jack.

Of course, the boys are always calling each other "friend" or "bud".

What strikes me as spooky though, I will admit, is the line "so, here I am".   

We first hear those words from Aguirre's lips, when he rides up to tell Jack about his Uncle being sick. "Your ma wanted me to tell you ... So, here I am".  He's looking up the mountain with his binoculars, and Jack turns his gaze up there, too, seeing what he see;  Ennis riding among the herd of sheep, unaware that he's being watched.  Ennis is in blissful ignorance of how there can indeed be prying eyes even in the sanctuary of their mountain, so is able to continue their relationship through the rest of the summer, without the fear of exposure inhibiting him.

Then later, in the dreaded divorce misunderstanding Jack says to Ennis "Got your postcard your divorce had come through ... So, here I am".  He even says it with same kind of rhythm that Aguirre used.  A few seconds later and he realizes his mistake, as Ennis is stumbling over his excuses and looking off toward the distance.  Jack follows his gaze, too, and this time sees that truck passing by and understands that Ennis is fearing being seen with him.  Ennis doesn't KNOW if he's being watched, but he is fearful that this is the case, and his suspicions are enough to further fuel his withdrawal and set new bruises on their relationship.  Bruises that will have heartbreaking consequences later on.

There is also the phrase "Tell you what ... ".  Jack may have picked this up from his father.  He uses it that last camping trip .. "Tell you what ... truth is, sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it". 

Then of course, John Twist uses it with his last words spoken to Ennis after Jack has died, "Tell you what ... we got a family plot, and he's goin' in it". 

Both times, "Tell you what .. " is followed by things that Ennis would probably have preferred not to hear, because each pronouncement is a blow to his heart, I think, though in very different ways. 

Hearing it from Jack, it's confirmation of the depth of Jack's feelings, the hurt he's been enduring all these years, what Ennis knew he was doing to him but couldn't - or wouldn't - change.  Here, finally, put into simple words and sent out into the night air, can't be denied, can't be ignored, though Ennis surely does try.

Nor can he ignore after John Twist's words at the end that Jack isn't going to have his wishes answered in death either, and Ennis has no power to change that.  Except, as we believe, through the guardianship of the shirts that represent their history and their love.

I may be reaching on these, but as we've come to realize ... there is little in BBM that isn't there for a reason ....   :-\\

This is truly beyond words.   I am almost at a loss for words to respond to this.

"so, here I am".

"Tell you what ... "

And the most poigniant of all:

"it's alright"


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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #178 on: Jun 22, 2006, 10:07 AM »

This is truly beyond words.   I am almost at a loss for words to respond to this.

"so, here I am".

"Tell you what ... "

And the most poigniant of all:

"it's alright"



Oh, now I have tears ...   :\'(   

I couldn't touch that one without breaking down, I swear ....  thank you, tpe!
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #179 on: Jun 22, 2006, 10:18 AM »

This is truly beyond words.   I am almost at a loss for words to respond to this.

"so, here I am".

"Tell you what ... "

And the most poigniant of all:

"it's alright"



Oh, now I have tears ...   :\'(   

I couldn't touch that one without breaking down, I swear ....  thank you, tpe!


MississaugaRed , as you pointed out, it is terrible to discover the multiple meanings in these short phrases.  Who cannot help being moved by the cruelty of fate. 

So many meanings for so few words.  The sadness underlying all this is sometimes too much to bear.