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The Eyes
« on: Dec 02, 2006, 06:29 PM »
In a weird set of circumstances I discovered today that the actor who portrays John Twist, Jack's father, lives not ten minutes from me in New Jersey.  But my subject is about the look of the eyes during certain scenes.  When Jack Twist returns to Joe Aguirre's trailer to seek further work on Brokeback and to ask if Aguirre had heard from Ennis, Aguirre tells Jack that there's no work for him and the well known quote about how Aguirre paid Ennis and Jack to guard the woolies.  Except that the dogs wound up babysitting the sheep while Jack and Ennis "stemmed the rose."  When Aguirre is giving Jack this reprimand the camera closes in on Aguirre's face.  His eyes, particularly the right eye, has the glassy look of a marble about it.  It's also in this scene that I think that Jack Twist, with his hat in his hand, looks incredibly handsome.  His hair is flattened by his just removed hat, but his eyes look enormous in this scene.  His eyes were hungry enough with longing for Ennis for him to travel nearly one thousand miles, from Texas to Wyoming, on the off chance that he might hear word about Ennis from Aguirre.  That took guts, I thought, because Aguirre's sentiment towards Jack and Ennis was that they were useless ranch stiffs. 

Getting back to the look of eyes in this film:  When the brokenhearted Ennis travels to Lightning Flat to see Jack's parents and ask about scattering Jack's ashes on Brokeback Mountain, John, Jack Twist's father gives Ennis a withering speech about the plans Jack had and how Jack had even planned to bring another man to the Twist ranch and beat it into shape.  This, in my impression, was a deliberate turn of the knife in Ennis' heart.  But maybe it really didn't matter to Ennis because he rested assured in Jack Twist's eternal love.  "I know where Brokeback Mountain is," John Twist said.  "Tell you what.  We've got a family plot and he's going in it."  And in the scene before Ennis ascends to Jack's old boyhood room, again I find the marble, glassy-eyed look in John Twist's eyes.
 

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Re: The Eyes
« Reply #1 on: Dec 02, 2006, 07:45 PM »
I agree. The eyes tell alot in this film. There are many scenes where there is no talking (SNIT) but the look in the  eyes tell the story. This is  the genious of Ang Lee"s direction and two great actors who have obviously studied their craft. The eyes are the window to the soul as they say? Yep, in the scene you mentioned we can see everything Jack is feeling. The hurt, disappointment and the anger at Aguirre's words. I love that even though Jack is subjected to Aguirre"s humiliation he still has the courage to ask about Ennis.
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Re: The Eyes
« Reply #2 on: Dec 02, 2006, 10:32 PM »
                                                      :f) :c)WHAT A BEAUTIFUL EYES
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Re: The Eyes
« Reply #3 on: Dec 04, 2006, 10:08 AM »
I did notice the glassy look in John Twist's eyes.   It gave me the impression of a very cold and steely personality -- used to hardships and very seldom moved emotionally.  In Jack's eyes, you see  the opposite: it has a soft look in many of the scenes -- there is an element of gentleness and understanding.

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Re: The Eyes
« Reply #4 on: Dec 30, 2006, 09:03 AM »
"The eyes are the window to the soul"--and how true this is in this movie!  From the opening scene to the final "Jack, I swear"--The eyes tell the story--for me anyway.
This may not be popular belief , but I believe that John twist was a bitter, angry man. He was emotionally abusive to his son (and I'm sure, his wife). I think Jack wanted to be like his dad--to be a rodeo rider, but his father was not supportive of his son.  In the short story he humiliates Jack (by urinating on him--and then making him clean up the bathroom and his clothing).  His father was angry that Jack went to TX and not helped him out with the farm/ranch.   Jack went to TX after seeing Aguirre for work the next summer, and to ask about Ennis.  Randy Quaid played a great part, IMHO.  Jack went on to TX and met up with Lureen, who was financially 'set' by way of her daddy (stud duck).  The scene in which the father-in-law throws the keys at Jack and says 'Rodeo can go get it outta the car". You can see the look of shame in jack's eyes--yet he smiles to cover it up to his wife.
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Re: The Eyes
« Reply #5 on: Dec 30, 2006, 11:57 AM »
The eyes do play a major role in conveying emotion throughout this film.  I'm particularly moved by the look in Ennis's eyes as Jack pulls up to his apartment.  By this time Ennis has had quite a few beers and was quite figity in anticipation of Jack's arrival.  It started to look as though Ennis was giving up on seeing Jack.  Once Jack pulled up the look in Ennis's eyes was priceless.  He could hardly contain himself.  He just had to get Jack in his arms...and he did!
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Re: The Eyes
« Reply #6 on: Dec 31, 2006, 10:44 AM »
There are so many emotions conveyed throughout the film just from a look, a glance, a stare.

I love Mother Twist use of them during the final scenes. She says only few words and yet what she says to Ennis with her eyes is SO powerful i was speechless. Those were such looks of understanding, of KNOWING, of compassion i was incredibly moved.

The sideways glance she gives to her husband during these moments also says so much.

IMHO she had such an understanding of what Ennis and Jack meant to each other, and she made me know that merely by her expressive eyes, not by what she said.

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Re: The Eyes
« Reply #7 on: Dec 31, 2006, 01:48 PM »
OMG--yes. My sister just watched the movie with her husband. They are in their early 50's and live in FL. I am in PA, BTW.
Anyway, HBO has been showing BBM all month and I kept reminding her every weekend, to watch it, so we could discuss it.
We talked this morning and we both got choked up discussing the scene when Ennis goes to see the Twists.
Just imagining that he was in the home, meeting the parents that raised the man that he loved; seeing the house, land, room that jack saw as a boy, teen and adult. Ennis' going there to ask for the ashes, and offering to 'fulfill Jack's final wishes'. Ennis' hearing what the father had to say--pushing the knife deeper into Ennis' heart---and the unspoken 'screaming' emotion and love coming from Mrs.Twist!  When Ennis drives up to the house, my heart is in my throat.
Actually the heartwrenching is three-fold for me;

1. Ennis reads the returned postcard (which I need to see the postmark for the date)
2. Ennis calls Lureen--fully expecting Jack to answer the phone (in the story).
Ennis learning what happenned to the man that he loved--albeit not what he believes happenned.
3. Ennis driving to the Twist home/ having his heart ripped from his chest from Mr Twist~~ having his heart returned by Mrs. Twist/finding, on purpose of the shirts.

The acting portrayed by all three of them in this scene is incredibly intense and brilliant.

My sister asked me 'where are the ashes?'
That's one I have to think on.
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Re: The Eyes
« Reply #8 on: Dec 31, 2006, 02:01 PM »
My sister asked me 'where are the ashes?'
That's one I have to think on.
I must admit - in my fantasy world where i often recreate bits of the film in an attempt to make peace with it i imagine Mrs Twist has somehow secreted the ashes into the brown paper bag without her husband's knowledge, and the final looks she gives to Ennis are saying 'here's my boy - take care of him...'

Not very likely i know - but in my heart of hearts i really wish that had happened...

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Re: The Eyes
« Reply #9 on: Dec 31, 2006, 04:05 PM »
I've been thinking about the scene around the campfire when Ennis opens up about his upbringing. Jack asks Ennis "yer brother and sister do right by you?"  As Ennis elaborates on that part of his life, Jack is looking at him with slight smile.  It makes me wonder if Jack is thinking "wow...he is opening up to me.  There's a real special person under there."

After Jack says "Friend, that's more words than you spoke in the last two weeks," Ennis grins and states that was the most he had spoken in a year.  I look at the smile on Ennis's face as he takes another sip of his drink.  His eyes must have conveyed to Jack that he felt very comfortable talking to him about anything.

Excuse me...I'm grabbing my tissue right now.
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Re: The Eyes
« Reply #10 on: Dec 31, 2006, 04:08 PM »
I've been thinking about the scene around the campfire when Ennis opens up about his upbringing. Jack asks Ennis "yer brother and sister do right by you?"  As Ennis elaborates on that part of his life, Jack is looking at him with slight smile.  It makes me wonder if Jack is thinking "wow...he is opening up to me.  There's a real special person under there."

After Jack says "Friend, that's more words than you spoke in the last two weeks," Ennis grins and states that was the most he had spoken in a year.  I look at the smile on Ennis's face as he takes another sip of his drink.  His eyes must have conveyed to Jack that he felt very comfortable talking to him about anything.

Excuse me...I'm grabbing my tissue right now.
I hear you totally - and agree with everything you are saying. I also love the look Jack gives him after he says 'thats the most i've spoken in a year', to me it's filled with a kind of compassin and understanding. He knows how rough things have been for Ennis and it is such a tender look i find myself sighing over it every time.

Beautiful beautiful scene.

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Re: The Eyes
« Reply #11 on: Dec 31, 2006, 04:12 PM »
You're right bella.  It's just another example of so much being said without need for words.
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Re: The Eyes
« Reply #12 on: Jan 02, 2007, 10:02 AM »
"The eyes are the window to the soul"--and how true this is in this movie!  From the opening scene to the final "Jack, I swear"--The eyes tell the story--for me anyway.
This may not be popular belief , but I believe that John twist was a bitter, angry man. He was emotionally abusive to his son (and I'm sure, his wife). I think Jack wanted to be like his dad--to be a rodeo rider, but his father was not supportive of his son.  In the short story he humiliates Jack (by urinating on him--and then making him clean up the bathroom and his clothing).  His father was angry that Jack went to TX and not helped him out with the farm/ranch.   Jack went to TX after seeing Aguirre for work the next summer, and to ask about Ennis.  Randy Quaid played a great part, IMHO.  Jack went on to TX and met up with Lureen, who was financially 'set' by way of her daddy (stud duck).  The scene in which the father-in-law throws the keys at Jack and says 'Rodeo can go get it outta the car". You can see the look of shame in jack's eyes--yet he smiles to cover it up to his wife.

The John Twist of the short story did seem to me as abusive.  I ma influenced by this bias, and see in John Twist's eyes the look of bitterness and contempt.  If Jack's eyes are dreamy, so John Twist's are hard and glassy.  They see things is a cold, clear light.


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Re: The Eyes
« Reply #13 on: Jan 02, 2007, 10:05 AM »
OMG--yes. My sister just watched the movie with her husband. They are in their early 50's and live in FL. I am in PA, BTW.
Anyway, HBO has been showing BBM all month and I kept reminding her every weekend, to watch it, so we could discuss it.
We talked this morning and we both got choked up discussing the scene when Ennis goes to see the Twists.
Just imagining that he was in the home, meeting the parents that raised the man that he loved; seeing the house, land, room that jack saw as a boy, teen and adult. Ennis' going there to ask for the ashes, and offering to 'fulfill Jack's final wishes'. Ennis' hearing what the father had to say--pushing the knife deeper into Ennis' heart---and the unspoken 'screaming' emotion and love coming from Mrs.Twist!  When Ennis drives up to the house, my heart is in my throat.
Actually the heartwrenching is three-fold for me;

1. Ennis reads the returned postcard (which I need to see the postmark for the date)
2. Ennis calls Lureen--fully expecting Jack to answer the phone (in the story).
Ennis learning what happenned to the man that he loved--albeit not what he believes happenned.
3. Ennis driving to the Twist home/ having his heart ripped from his chest from Mr Twist~~ having his heart returned by Mrs. Twist/finding, on purpose of the shirts.

The acting portrayed by all three of them in this scene is incredibly intense and brilliant.

My sister asked me 'where are the ashes?'
That's one I have to think on.

Thanks, HLJG, for sharing this.

I also think that Mrs. Twist's eyes also glitter here.  They have a feverish, other-worldly glint, just as intense and noticable as her husband's.  But her eyes are not cold.  They speak compassion.  It is as if they glisten with perpetual tears.