Author Topic: The 101 Kisses of BBM (Read 51018 times)

welshwitch · « **Reply #30 on:** Jan 09, 2007, 03:14 PM »

Or, at that point, knowing? He and Ennis hadn't exactly parted on good terms. Maybe he was swept away by Lureen's enthusiasm, so to speak, or maybe he was even fantasizing that she was Ennis?

tpe · « **Reply #31 on:** Jan 09, 2007, 03:19 PM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Jan 09, 2007, 03:14 PM

Or, at that point, knowing? He and Ennis hadn't exactly parted on good terms. Maybe he was swept away by Lureen's enthusiasm, so to speak, or maybe he was even fantasizing that she was Ennis?

Funny you mentioned this, as I had though that maybe Jack was imagining he was kissing Ennis when he was kissing LUreen.

AFTER ALL: Ennis surely had Jack in mind when he was kissing Alma with his eyes closed (and flipped her over in the end...)

aintfoolin · « **Reply #32 on:** Jan 09, 2007, 04:02 PM »

Oh yes , and when he was dancing with her in the bar, his face had ENNIS written all over it. It is the same look IMO that he had outside with Randall.

NoReins · « **Reply #33 on:** Jan 10, 2007, 04:05 AM »

Quote from: tpe on Jan 09, 2007, 03:19 PM

Funny you mentioned this, as I had though that maybe Jack was imagining he was kissing Ennis when he was kissing LUreen.

AFTER ALL: Ennis surely had Jack in mind when he was kissing Alma with his eyes closed (and flipped her over in the end...)

I think you're right, Thomas - I think both of them were thinking of the other when they were with their wives.

You can certainly see it in the scene where Ennis closes his eyes before kissing Alma. There's a moment when the look in his eyes changes - when she says "not so lonely like you were raised" - and you know he's thinking that he wasn't lonely with Jack but he is with her because he wishes she was Jack.

tpe · « **Reply #34 on:** Jan 10, 2007, 09:05 AM »

Quote from: NoReins on Jan 10, 2007, 04:05 AM

I think you're right, Thomas - I think both of them were thinking of the other when they were with their wives.

You can certainly see it in the scene where Ennis closes his eyes before kissing Alma. There's a moment when the look in his eyes changes - when she says "not so lonely like you were raised" - and you know he's thinking that he wasn't lonely with Jack but he is with her because he wishes she was Jack.

Yes, I think the moment in the scene where Ennis closes his eyes and the moment in the other scene where Jack stares out while dancing with Lureen act as bookends that balance each other out. I do think it is more explicit in the scene between Ennis and Alma, but one can read enough in the scene between Jack and Lureen to realize the connection that still binds the two of them, separated as they were by circumstances of their own making/choosing.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #35 on:** Jan 10, 2007, 12:12 PM »

They were lucky to have loved like this too tpe . I agree. To imagine themselves with each other while engaged in intimate settings with someone else speaks to their desperate strong desire and longing to be together.It's also sad for them to have to do it but it could'nt be helped I suppose.

tpe · « **Reply #36 on:** Jan 10, 2007, 03:18 PM »

Quote from: aintfoolin on Jan 10, 2007, 12:12 PM

They were lucky to have loved like this too tpe . I agree. To imagine themselves with each other while engaged in intimate settings with someone else speaks to their desperate strong desire and longing to be together.It's also sad for them to have to do it but it could'nt be helped I suppose.

The kisses exchanged between Ennis/Jack and Alma?Lureen: they were both real and imaginary, no? Quite a duality here. They hungered for love and found some solace in the arms of surrogates. Yes in their minds' eye, they kissed each other.

stephan · « **Reply #37 on:** Jan 10, 2007, 04:08 PM »

I have read this thread with much pleasure.
It has reminded me of the scene of their first trip together back to Brokeback Mountain. Ennis is looking up at the sky, and he says he is sending up a prayerof thanks.
In that scene, Ennis is extraordinarily happy, and his emotions spill out in words, something which he never did before. The intensity of his gratitude seems to me to be worth a slow long kiss.

The intensity of the fear he expresses when he says no to Jack's "It could be like this always" is also like a strong cuddle, looking for protection.

tpe · « **Reply #38 on:** Jan 10, 2007, 04:14 PM »

Quote from: stephan on Jan 10, 2007, 04:08 PM

I have read this thread with much pleasure.
It has reminded me of the scene of their first trip together back to Brokeback Mountain. Ennis is looking up at the sky, and he says he is sending up a prayerof thanks.
In that scene, Ennis is extraordinarily happy, and his emotions spill out in words, something which he never did before. The intensity of his gratitude seems to me to be worth a slow long kiss.

The intensity of the fear he expresses when he says no to Jack's "It could be like this always" is also like a strong cuddle, looking for protection.

One would say that it may very well be the equivalent of one long kiss. Such a smile or such a kiss would be a manifestation that Ennis was in heaven.

stephan · « **Reply #39 on:** Jan 10, 2007, 04:20 PM »

Then, of course, there is the shirts scene.... One long, sad kiss....

tpe · « **Reply #40 on:** Jan 10, 2007, 04:28 PM »

Quote from: stephan on Jan 10, 2007, 04:20 PM

Then, of course, there is the shirts scene.... One long, sad kiss....

It was a kiss, wasn't it. I know he basically smelled it, but he did it in such a way that one would think he was holding Jack in his arms and administering a kiss...

LuvJackNasty · « **Reply #41 on:** Jan 10, 2007, 11:44 PM »

Oh wow Stephan and Tpe- that's beautiful :\'(

tpe · « **Reply #42 on:** Jan 11, 2007, 10:46 AM »

Perhaps it was Jack's astral body that Ennis kissed in that closet.

chameau · « **Reply #43 on:** Jan 11, 2007, 05:48 PM »

I found this thread only today, interesting discussions indeed. There is something however that wasn't discussed, the fatherly kisses of Ennis. We all aggree he looks sincere and passionate only when he kisses Jack. What about his daughters? He is as sincere here as a father loving his daughters.

1st example when he holds and kisses a crying baby Jenny.
2nd example, the last scene at the trailer when Junior steps out the car and she gets a warm welcoming kiss from her dad.

And thare are sad kisses like, when Ennis is about to leave for his first ''fishing trip'', he kisses both Junior and Alma on the cheek (''see you Sunday Ladies'') and he looks so guilty.

$:-\\$

Alma's world collapsed because she witnessed her husband kissing another man like she was never kissed before, this is one sad scene when she is left alone holding Junior. :\'(

greenfrog · « **Reply #44 on:** Jan 11, 2007, 06:02 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Jan 11, 2007, 10:46 AM

Perhaps it was Jack's astral body that Ennis kissed in that closet.

Here come the tears again :\'( :\'( :\'(

tpe · « **Reply #45 on:** Jan 11, 2007, 06:05 PM »

Quote from: chameau on Jan 11, 2007, 05:48 PM

I found this thread only today, interesting discussions indeed. There is something however that wasn't discussed, the fatherly kisses of Ennis. We all aggree he looks sincere and passionate only when he kisses Jack. What about his daughters? He is as sincere here as a father loving his daughters.

1st example when he holds and kisses a crying baby Jenny.
2nd example, the last scene at the trailer when Junior steps out the car and she gets a warm welcoming kiss from her dad.

And thare are sad kisses like, when Ennis is about to leave for his first ''fishing trip'', he kisses both Junior and Alma on the cheek (''see you Sunday Ladies'') and he looks so guilty. $:-\\$

Alma's world collapsed because she witnessed her husband kissing another man like she was never kissed before, this is one sad scene when she is left alone holding Junior. :\'(

Very beautiful, Pierre. We do see many forms of kisses, specifiacally with Ennis. The kisses he gives his daughters are indeed distinct, as they are almost tantamount to a benediction.

Of course, Ennis as father also receives kisses. What I have in mind is the tender kiss of greeting given by Alma Jr. in the last scene (she did kiss him, correct?)

tpe · « **Reply #46 on:** Jan 11, 2007, 06:07 PM »

Quote from: greenfrog on Jan 11, 2007, 06:02 PM

Here come the tears again :\'( :\'( :\'(

Don't be sad, greenfrog. Jack would have kissed Ennis back to comfort him.

chameau · « **Reply #47 on:** Jan 11, 2007, 06:09 PM »

Quote

Of course, Ennis as father also receives kisses. What I have in mind is the tender kiss of greeting given by Alma Jr. in the last scene (she did kiss him, correct?)

I guess they do kiss each other, some hug & kiss. I need to check.

tpe · « **Reply #48 on:** Jan 11, 2007, 06:23 PM »

It would surprise us, I'm sure, if we try to catalogue all the kisses in BBM! Some of it we probably miss or just take for granted.

chameau · « **Reply #49 on:** Jan 11, 2007, 06:42 PM »

not to count an aborted kiss like the one after the divorce, they hug and Jack is obviously initiating a kiss when Ennis stops him, his girls are there waiting in the truck among other reasons.

tpe · « **Reply #50 on:** Jan 12, 2007, 09:40 AM »

Quote from: chameau on Jan 11, 2007, 06:42 PM

not to count an aborted kiss like the one after the divorce, they hug and Jack is obviously initiating a kiss when Ennis stops him, his girls are there waiting in the truck among other reasons.

Yes! When Jack's hand reaches out to grab Ennis from behind the neck, it was an attempt to KISS Ennis, no? We had the same impression!

jacks_key · « **Reply #51 on:** Jan 15, 2007, 11:28 AM »

I love this thread...so many kinds of kisses, so many different meanings...

My favorite kiss has to be their first one (SNIT). That whole sequence, starting with Ennis coming into the tent, and them kissing and lying down together, and then Jack rolling on top of him...absolutely breathtaking.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #52 on:** Jan 15, 2007, 03:48 PM »

A million tommorrows may all pass away.
I won't forget all the joy that is mine today.....-Artist unknown-

stephan · « **Reply #53 on:** Jan 15, 2007, 04:29 PM »

Quote from: chameau on Jan 11, 2007, 06:42 PM

not to count an aborted kiss like the one after the divorce, they hug and Jack is obviously initiating a kiss when Ennis stops him, his girls are there waiting in the truck among other reasons.

I completely agree, Chameau.
The scene of "fight" Ennis and Jack have when Aguirre orders them to leave Brokeback Mountain reflects Ennis's sadness of leaving Jack. Their physical contact, isn't it a sort of kiss ? A kiss symbolised by the contrary ?

tpe · « **Reply #54 on:** Jan 16, 2007, 10:06 AM »

Quote from: jacks_key on Jan 15, 2007, 11:28 AM

I love this thread...so many kinds of kisses, so many different meanings...

My favorite kiss has to be their first one (SNIT). That whole sequence, starting with Ennis coming into the tent, and them kissing and lying down together, and then Jack rolling on top of him...absolutely breathtaking.

Specifically, the wet opening kiss...

tpe · « **Reply #55 on:** Jan 16, 2007, 10:12 AM »

Quote from: stephan on Jan 15, 2007, 04:29 PM

I completely agree, Chameau.
The scene of "fight" Ennis and Jack have when Aguirre orders them to leave Brokeback Mountain reflects Ennis's sadness of leaving Jack. Their physical contact, isn't it a sort of kiss ? A kiss symbolised by the contrary ?

Well, I always thought that the punch Ennis gave Jack was a sort of kiss, and the fight was an act of making love...

jacks_key · « **Reply #56 on:** Jan 16, 2007, 09:05 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Jan 16, 2007, 10:06 AM

Specifically, the wet opening kiss...

Oohhhh my goodness, yes!!! Sigh...!

tpe · « **Reply #57 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 08:36 AM »

The kiss Ennis gave to Alma right before he goes off with Jack during the reunion has always fascinated me. What did it exactly mean? I don't think he kissed Alma insincerely. It was tender and full of genuine feeling. And yet, Ennis knew (and Alma knew) that it was a kiss of betrayal. Was it supposed to reassure Alma? Was Ennis still battling with his feelings. Although Ennis loved Jack, I think that in a way, he did love Alma...

jacks_key · « **Reply #58 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 02:24 PM »

^^I agree; I believe Ennis had some kind of affection for Alma, and was perhaps trying to reassure her (maybe that's not the right word for it, sorry). He didn't know that Alma had seen him kissing Jack.

tpe · « **Reply #59 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 02:27 PM »

Quote from: jacks_key on Jan 17, 2007, 02:24 PM

^^I agree; I believe Ennis had some kind of affection for Alma, and was perhaps trying to reassure her (maybe that's not the right word for it, sorry). He didn't know that Alma had seen him kissing Jack.

Yes, had Ennis known that Alma saw them kissing, we may suspect that his parting kiss was more for dissembling. But he didn't know, and so, the parting kiss must have been sincere.