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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #90 on: Nov 28, 2007, 09:28 AM »
Quote from: Emzan on Nov 28, 2007, 09:22 AM
I'm watching it right now and Jack says:  come here and then they kiss and then he says I'm sorry and then it's alright twice ::)

Emzan, you also hear "it's alright", no?

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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #91 on: Nov 28, 2007, 12:59 PM »
Quote from: tpe on Nov 28, 2007, 09:28 AM
Emzan, you also hear "it's alright", no?

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yes I did :)
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #92 on: Nov 28, 2007, 07:24 PM »
Quote from: Emzan on Nov 28, 2007, 12:59 PM
yes I did :)

I still get confused as to whether Jack or Ennis was the one who was saying sorry, quite frankly.  I will defer to your statement in this matter. :)

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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #93 on: Nov 29, 2007, 09:43 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Nov 28, 2007, 07:24 PM
I still get confused as to whether Jack or Ennis was the one who was saying sorry, quite frankly.  I will defer to your statement in this matter. :)



You can't really see Jack or Ennis move their lips, but thats because the camera is filming Ennis when you can hear "I'm sorry" so I guess that Jack says that ;D, but you can say "I'm sorry" when you're lips don't move, try :P

Maybe that was confusing and sorry for my bad English  ::)
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #94 on: Nov 29, 2007, 10:58 AM »
Quote from: Emzan on Nov 29, 2007, 09:43 AM
You can't really see Jack or Ennis move their lips, but thats because the camera is filming Ennis when you can hear "I'm sorry" so I guess that Jack says that ;D, but you can say "I'm sorry" when you're lips don't move, try :P

Maybe that was confusing and sorry for my bad English  ::)

OT: your English is FAR from bad.  :)

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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #95 on: Nov 29, 2007, 11:18 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Nov 29, 2007, 10:58 AM
OT: your English is FAR from bad.  :)



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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #96 on: Nov 29, 2007, 05:58 PM »
Quote from: tpe on Nov 28, 2007, 07:24 PM
I still get confused as to whether Jack or Ennis was the one who was saying sorry, quite frankly. 

Me too. One of the great beauties of this masterpiece . . . either one could have said it, and it still works, either way.

And thanks to Heath and Jake most of the communication here was beautifully non-verbal.  <^(
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #97 on: Nov 30, 2007, 09:32 AM »
Quote from: jackster on Nov 29, 2007, 05:58 PM
Me too. One of the great beauties of this masterpiece . . . either one could have said it, and it still works, either way.

And thanks to Heath and Jake most of the communication here was beautifully non-verbal.  <^(

Indeed, it was much more powerful that way.

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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #98 on: Feb 07, 2008, 11:40 PM »
I have wondered about this as well but only heard Jack say "It's alright" several times.
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #99 on: Feb 08, 2008, 08:22 AM »
Quote from: Halenfarewell on Feb 07, 2008, 11:40 PM
I have wondered about this as well but only heard Jack say "It's alright" several times.
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This was how it was for me also...

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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #100 on: Feb 10, 2008, 02:03 PM »
Quote from: tpe on Feb 08, 2008, 08:22 AM
This was how it was for me also...



jack said "its alright"? I don't think i heard that....
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #101 on: Feb 10, 2008, 02:59 PM »
I think Jack knew he was trying to quell Ennis' fears so he said it's alright, etc.

I have wanted to know who said "I'm sorry"  just before they kiss SNIT.    It's supposed to be Ennis but I think I hear Jack say it. 

(then later someone said they heard Ennis say "I Love you" when he is clutching he shirts to his chest.) 

I wish the sound people had been more definitive when they recorded the dialog
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #102 on: Feb 10, 2008, 03:09 PM »
Ennis: I’m sorry….

Jack: Sssch, It’s all right, It’s all right…..

Jack: Come here….Lie down….


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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #103 on: Feb 10, 2008, 04:20 PM »


It's just the same you said,dear Tammy,but Ennis repites "I'm sorry" twice,almost in a whisper... <^(

Ah¡ *o)  at last,I heard the "I love you" in the closet scene,after having put the baffler's volume at the maximum and having received the visit of my first flat neighbours-I live in a 8 th flat-,complaining for the noise. ;D
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #104 on: Feb 16, 2008, 12:11 AM »
Quote from: trekfan on Feb 10, 2008, 02:59 PM
I think Jack knew he was trying to quell Ennis' fears so he said it's alright, etc.

I have wanted to know who said "I'm sorry"  just before they kiss SNIT.    It's supposed to be Ennis but I think I hear Jack say it. 

(then later someone said they heard Ennis say "I Love you" when he is clutching he shirts to his chest.) 

I wish the sound people had been more definitive when they recorded the dialog

i think they played the music loud on purpose - so there would be a mystery as to what was said & by whom.  I think Jack said the I'm sorrys.  You can see Ennis' face and his lips don't move.  You see Jack from the side so it's unclear if his lips move or not.  But we'll probably never know the truth - Ang's not talking   >:(
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #105 on: Mar 06, 2008, 06:14 PM »
I've watched the movie maybe 100 times... yeah I know, almost everyday.

The dialog I hear is:

Ready to kiss Ennis, Jack very softly (whisper) said: come, come on, come-on (imploring)
They kissed... then Jack said 3 times: it’s all right

IMO there is no… “I’m sorry” in the scene.
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #106 on: Mar 06, 2008, 07:14 PM »
i checked with subtitles in the scene ennis says sorry and jack says its alright, its alright some one has probably already said this before me but oh well
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #107 on: Mar 06, 2008, 10:09 PM »

I've seen this topic before and checked myself to see who says what and I can hear carely Jack saying 'I'm so sorry' twice as well as 'it's alright' twice or once, sometimes it changes as I watch it again...though IMO, I don't hear Ennis say much of anything, to me, he's just looking into Jack's eyes...waiting for the kiss
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #108 on: Mar 07, 2008, 01:17 AM »
IMO said, or rather almost whispered, in an American accent,with the slurring of sharp consonants that sometimes involves, "I'm sorry" and "It's all right" can sound very similar - again, try it.
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #109 on: Mar 07, 2008, 08:23 AM »
I can tell whut is being said best with sound turned off . . .

It's spelled . . . . L.O.V.E.

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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #110 on: Mar 07, 2008, 11:39 AM »
Quote from: jackster on Mar 07, 2008, 08:23 AM
I can tell whut is being said best with sound turned off . . .

It's spelled . . . . L.O.V.E.

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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #111 on: Mar 07, 2008, 11:45 AM »
Back to topic, if you put the subtitles on:

Ennis:  I'm sorry (tough I'm not sure her really said it)

Jack:  It's alright, it's alright.
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #112 on: Mar 07, 2008, 11:47 AM »
Quote from: chameau on Mar 07, 2008, 11:45 AM
Back to topic, if you put the subtitles on:

Ennis:  I'm sorry (tough I'm not sure her really said it)

Jack:  It's alright, it's alright.


i also watched this bit with subs and ennis does say "im sorry" he just mumbles a little you know average ennis :)
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #113 on: Mar 07, 2008, 02:28 PM »
As we know the subtitle folks miss-cued several more obvious lines of dialog elsewhere in the film.
Back in post #28 Del Mar Twist said:
Here is what Jack says.
  I'm Sorry.
  It's All Right.
  It's All Right.
  Lie Back. Come On.
 I take the "I'm Sorry" being about the kiss since Ennis was pulling away and turning his head slightly, but Jack kissed him, then he said "It's All Right. It's All Right." and he shook his head when he knew Ennis was all right with it. Then as he pulls Ennis onto his chest and lays back down he says, "Lie Back. Come On."

I believe DelMarTwist hit it exactly right here. Both in WHAT was said and WHY it was said. IMO Those darn subtitle folks have confused it greatly with their visual placement of the words making it look like Ennis says "I'm sorry". I think DMT is right, Jack says I'm Sorry, and he is sorry for being a little too forward with what is actually their FIRST kiss. I'm not sure Ennis was really prepared for a man-to-man kiss, but he came around pretty quick. JMHO.

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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #114 on: Mar 07, 2008, 02:48 PM »
Maybe you're right jackster but I have to listen to it again.
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #115 on: Mar 07, 2008, 03:52 PM »
Quote from: chameau on Mar 07, 2008, 11:45 AM
Back to topic, if you put the subtitles on:

Ennis:  I'm sorry (tough I'm not sure her really said it)

Jack:  It's alright, it's alright.

I don't know Jackster....I've always thought that It was like Cham wrote here. Also in Spanish Ennis says "I'm sorry". I think Ennis says that cause it was him who went out to the sheep without give Jack a word, and it was Ennis who said that it was a one shot deal and he was not queer. After being hard with Jack and saying to him that he wanted not more of "that", he went to the tend again looking for more so he apologized for his previous behaviour and the things (one shot deal and not queer) he said before. Then Jack said to him "It's alright", trying to make clear that it doesn't matter anymore.

Still you got me confused with that "Lie back. Come on" cause I thought it was "Come here. Lie down". At least I heard that in the film and I read brokies saying that too. Mmmm.....  :s)
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #116 on: Mar 07, 2008, 04:28 PM »
Quote from: Baby Tammy on Mar 07, 2008, 03:52 PM
I don't know Jackster....I've always thought that i was like Cham wrote here. Also in Spanish Ennis says "I'm sorry". I think Ennis says that cause it was him who went out to the sheep without give Jack a word, and it was Ennis who said that it was a one shot deal and he was not queer. After being hard with Jack and saying to him that he wanted not more of "that", he went to the tend again looking for more so he apologized for his previous behaviour and the things (one shot deal and not queer) he said before. Then Jack said to him "It's alright", trying to make clear that it doesn't matter anymore.

Still you got me confused with that "Lie back. Come on" cause I thought it was "Come here. Lie down". At least I heard that in the film and I read brokies saying that too. Mmmm.....  :s)

I agree with you,Tammy.As a matter of fact,it's Ennis who had more reasons to apologise than Jack;for the ones you quote in your post-his roughness with Jack and his denial in having more nights like that...-.But also,IMO,for having been too wild in their first night together,when it's sure that Jack wanted some more "foreplay" between them than the rough sex Ennis gave him.
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #117 on: Mar 07, 2008, 04:38 PM »
I agree with you too!!  ;D  ;D

Ennis was so rough and wild with Jack that first night; one more reason to say sorry. He was like an animal, you know (not that Jack was complaining but it hurts I guess).

And, like I said before, you can't say " I want no more of this. That is not going to happen again", and then you go for it. It's not normal that you have rejected someone and then later you look for that person to be with. I can see here why he said I'm sorry.

Jackster, do you see what Ali and I are trying to say? What do you think? We want to know.  ^f^
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #118 on: Mar 07, 2008, 07:38 PM »
Quote from: Baby Tammy on Mar 07, 2008, 04:38 PM
Jackster, do you see what Ali and I are trying to say? What do you think? We want to know. 

Gosh, now you really put me on the spot. Yes, of course, I do see what you’re saying and it makes perfect sense. The great beauty of BBM is the way Ang allowed us all “into” the film, we all see in it what we want, how we want it. This is what makes truly great art, and why this film is GREAT art. We are ALL correct, it works magically and beautifully every way you slice it, huh?

My only real point was to say that the subtitle folks are notorious, along with foreign language dubbers, at making grievous text and dialogue errors. Just ask Cham what he thinks about the French language version of BBM. They are not artists, they have a job. To be honest in listening to this scene with all kinds of headphones, and recently even the HD DVD version, I still can’t tell, it works both ways. Hope you don’t think this is a cop out; to me it’s just beautiful both ways.
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Re: What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
« Reply #119 on: Mar 07, 2008, 08:15 PM »
hmmm good points everyone ,
personally i beleive ennis' sorry was for mulitple reasons one for saying not a word to jack the morning after FNIT also for for the way he reacted at the start of FNIT and also probably many other of his actions that were less than fair to jack.
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