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Re: What about Cassie Cartwright?
« Reply #120 on: Oct 10, 2007, 11:51 AM »
But Alma survives by getting what she's always wanted, a comforable bourgeois life, a baby and a husband who can keep her. Alma to me is 1950s woman. Cassie is much brasher; I see her as a survivor who will adapt and get at least something if what she wants.

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Re: What about Cassie Cartwright?
« Reply #121 on: Oct 10, 2007, 03:25 PM »
 I agree, Cassie was a woman who had alot of the same qualities as Jack. She saw what she wanted and went after it. Of all the men in that bar, she zeroes in on Ennis. ( As a matter of fact, Ive often thought if the story went differently, she and Jack may have made a good pair).  Being a barmaid, she no doubt has had her pick of men. She had everything any red-bloodied male could want and a personality to match. She saw Ennis as another attractive guy, but he was not the typical aggressive personality that she probably was used to. He sat alone in the bar, apart from the others , did'nt have much to say when he could have taken the opportunity to come on to her as she served him beer, instead it was she who had to make the first move. She soon finds that he is shy and sort of withdrawn. Didnt reject her dance proposal, instead letting her take the lead to the dance floor. and probably let her take the lead in other aspects of their relationship, mainly sex.
All along I feel Ennis knew that this could only go so far. Jack was still in the picture and he knew that Cassie would not understand why he needed him. I feel he would rather die than to have her find out what his *true* feelings were if he let her get too close. Therefore he just plays along imo and when she starts talking marriage, plays her off completly. She leaves messages at his job and residences, trying to hunt him down. Little does she know Ennis does'nt really want to be found which becomes clear later. IMO he shouldn't have led on her on and hurt her, but this seems to be a pattern with Ennis. Jack and Alma suffered in similar ways in trying to figure this man out. He's complicated no doubt. My take.
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Re: What about Cassie Cartwright?
« Reply #122 on: Oct 10, 2007, 11:20 PM »
Thanks, aintfooling, welshwitch , myprivatejack , tpe.

You all have differing opinions, and I love them. I really honestly don't know Cassie and how she will react.

"Cassie being very similar to Jack" may actually be a problem, because people too similar to each other usually don't get along. They may put up with each other for Ennis' sake, at least for a while. But they may never fall in love with each other as they had with Ennis. And Ennis will not play well as the middle played by both ends.

Social convention may be strong, but we have all heard of the unmarried aunt or uncle. I think as long as people didn't flaunt their eccentricities at the face of social respectability, most people are tolerant of unconventional people. It is part of social evolution that we need eccentric people to blaze new trails, to innovate. Too much conservative oppression and life becomes dull and stagnant. By the time of bushy side-burns, disco, and urban cowboys, gay people are breaking out. I really think Ennis and Jack would have been the pioneer that blazed the trail of gay love had Jack lived. Ennis will always be the shy private person that we all love, but Jack will be the political force to be reckon with.
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Re: What about Cassie Cartwright?
« Reply #123 on: Oct 11, 2007, 07:38 AM »
Thanks everyone for sharing your thouights.

aintfoolin's comment about Cassie and Jack having similarities is quite fascinating.  I had never considered this before, and I do think that there is a grain of truth to this.  As WW said, Cassie is a survivor, and perhaps Jack can be though of a survivor in some ways. 

What struck me the most is the correspondence on something that I know some people would not agree on -- i.e., that Cassie and (perhaps) Jack were ready to move on in the end, but had not quite forgotten their love for Ennis.  Did anyone else see this correspondence?

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Re: What about Cassie Cartwright?
« Reply #124 on: Oct 11, 2007, 08:17 AM »
Thanks everyone for sharing your thouights.

aintfoolin's comment about Cassie and Jack having similarities is quite fascinating.  I had never considered this before, and I do think that there is a grain of truth to this.  As WW said, Cassie is a survivor, and perhaps Jack can be though of a survivor in some ways. 

What struck me the most is the correspondence on something that I know some people would not agree on -- i.e., that Cassie and (perhaps) Jack were ready to move on in the end, but had not quite forgotten their love for Ennis.  Did anyone else see this correspondence?


Wow, you are right! No wonder somebody mentioned that Cassie is the female equivalent of Jack. This makes their possible open relationship even more interesting.
« Last Edit: Oct 11, 2007, 08:31 AM by tpe »
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Re: What about Cassie Cartwright?
« Reply #125 on: Oct 11, 2007, 08:33 AM »
Wow, you are right! No wonder somebody mentioned that Cassie is the female equivalent of Jack. This makes their possible open relationship even more interesting.

It's quite an interesting thought, I agree.  Perhaps there is more to it than meets the eye...