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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #30 on: Feb 09, 2006, 10:16 AM »
Annie never tells us how Ennis got the shirts out of the house, I think this was done so the part where he hangs them on his wall is not spoiled for us. However; I do like the way it was handled in the movie. One thing that I do like better in the movie (concerning that scene) is when she gives the knowing look, and hands him the bag. In the book she is standing "at the table coring apples with a sharp serrated instrument" when she says "You come again". It would almost seem like could have cared less if Ennis was there or not if it had not been for the going up to his room part.

One thing that still bothers me is that Ennis swapped shirts in the movie, putting his on the outside. I think it almost might have been a better "shrine" to Jack if he had left them the way Jack kept them all those years, but then again perhaps the movie is saying that it's now Ennis who holds these two icons of their happiness on Brokeback and so as the torch passes to him he brings his shirt to the outside, even as Jacks had been.

In my mind, the significance of switching the shirts is that it's Ennis' silent way of demonstrating that his love for Jack will never die, that his protecting arms will be around him forever. 

The more I see the movie, the more I appreciate the subtlety of the role Jack's mother plays.  That mama loved her baby.  And you know, it just came to mind--she is just as trapped as Ennis is, by economics and circumstance.  Look at where she lives, and who she lives with.  Maybe that's why she's so sympathetic...she understands being unable to break out.

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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #31 on: Feb 09, 2006, 11:55 AM »

OK, now you've done it.  I will never look at that scene the same way again.  I just hope I don't laugh out loud in the movie theatre.  That is the best laugh I had all week.  Now just how long is it going to be before someone plays the movie backwards to reveal the hidden message "I buried Jack"
oooh.  Didn't mean to ruin your BBM experience...(as if I could!) just tossing in a bit levity.

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No no no.  Don't shut up.  One of the reasons I thought it was funny is there could have been a slight bit of truth to it.  Jack's mother was a Pentecost.  The primary belief of Pentecosts, so I've been told, is speaking in tongues -- a made up language comprised mostly of jibberish.

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« Reply #32 on: Feb 09, 2006, 12:28 PM »
Annie never tells us how Ennis got the shirts out of the house, I think this was done so the part where he hangs them on his wall is not spoiled for us. However; I do like the way it was handled in the movie. One thing that I do like better in the movie (concerning that scene) is when she gives the knowing look, and hands him the bag. In the book she is standing "at the table coring apples with a sharp serrated instrument" when she says "You come again". It would almost seem like could have cared less if Ennis was there or not if it had not been for the going up to his room part.

One thing that still bothers me is that Ennis swapped shirts in the movie, putting his on the outside. I think it almost might have been a better "shrine" to Jack if he had left them the way Jack kept them all those years, but then again perhaps the movie is saying that it's now Ennis who holds these two icons of their happiness on Brokeback and so as the torch passes to him he brings his shirt to the outside, even as Jacks had been.

In my mind, the significance of switching the shirts is that it's Ennis' silent way of demonstrating that his love for Jack will never die, that his protecting arms will be around him forever. 

The more I see the movie, the more I appreciate the subtlety of the role Jack's mother plays.  That mama loved her baby.  And you know, it just came to mind--she is just as trapped as Ennis is, by economics and circumstance.  Look at where she lives, and who she lives with.  Maybe that's why she's so sympathetic...she understands being unable to break out.

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camom - great point! seeing this movie with you would be an experience!

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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #33 on: Feb 09, 2006, 12:30 PM »
To be specific, Jack's father says, "We got a family plot, and he's goin' in it."

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« Reply #34 on: Feb 09, 2006, 12:35 PM »

OK, now you've done it.  I will never look at that scene the same way again.  I just hope I don't laugh out loud in the movie theatre.  That is the best laugh I had all week.  Now just how long is it going to be before someone plays the movie backwards to reveal the hidden message "I buried Jack"
oooh.  Didn't mean to ruin your BBM experience...(as if I could!) just tossing in a bit levity.

I will shut up now.
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No no no.  Don't shut up.  One of the reasons I thought it was funny is there could have been a slight bit of truth to it.  Jack's mother was a Pentecost.  The primary belief of Pentecosts, so I've been told, is speaking in tongues -- a made up language comprised mostly of jibberish.


I don't have a bible in front of me, but "Pentecost" refers to the book of Acts, where just after Jesus accends into heaven after his resurrection, the believers are gathered together, but because they speak different languages, they can't communicate.  Tongues of flame appear over their heads, and they are suddenly able to speak together.  Hence the idea of "speaking in tongues."  I always thought that it was actually language, though, just not a language they knew IRL.  Might be wrong there.  There is a Pentecostal church, but the Pentecost is an event, too.

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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #35 on: Feb 09, 2006, 02:24 PM »
What prevented Jack's mother from ever washing the two soiled shirts that stood in the closet - albeit obscured - for 20 years?  I imagine that Jack once requested of his mother, "Mama, please don't ever wash 'em two shirts."

Oh, my. You are so right. She so knew.

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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #36 on: Feb 09, 2006, 10:28 PM »
i think Jack's parents know about the relationship between Ennis and Jack....

about Ennis change his shirt outside, i think it means Ennis realized that how much that Jack has been given and it's time now for him to "HOLD" Jack forever...

If i'm not mistaken, Jack's father did said that "You may take the ashes if u got your family plot."

Just came back from the movie.. Jack's dad say's "Tell you what, we got a family plot and he's goin in it." (straight from the stort story)
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« Reply #37 on: Feb 10, 2006, 02:27 AM »
i think Jack's parents know about the relationship between Ennis and Jack....

about Ennis change his shirt outside, i think it means Ennis realized that how much that Jack has been given and it's time now for him to "HOLD" Jack forever...

If i'm not mistaken, Jack's father did said that "You may take the ashes if u got your family plot."

Just came back from the movie.. Jack's dad say's "Tell you what, we got a family plot and he's goin in it." (straight from the stort story)


The family plot's probably in back of the barn.  What an a**.

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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #38 on: Feb 10, 2006, 04:16 AM »
BTW, I also think that Jack's mother KNEW those shirts were up there.  Notice how she smiles when Ennis brings them down - NO questions from her - she KNEW the ashes were to stay, but I think she WANTED Ennis to have the shirts.

did anyone see her rub her hand over his as she was bagging the shirts?  it was really touching.

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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #39 on: Feb 11, 2006, 12:02 PM »
i think Jack's parents know about the relationship between Ennis and Jack....

The family plot's probably in back of the barn.  What an a**.

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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #40 on: Feb 11, 2006, 05:23 PM »
i think Jack's parents know about the relationship between Ennis and Jack....

The family plot's probably in back of the barn.  What an a**.

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LOLOLOLOL  You are probably right, camom... thanks for giving me a laugh today!

OK, well, I lied.  The story says Ennis drives by the plot as he's leaving.  But I bet the dad would like it to be behind the barn!  Maybe Mrs. Twist will oblige when he kicks off.   ;D

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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #41 on: Feb 11, 2006, 06:14 PM »
At the end Lureen's discussion with Ennis, she suggests he get in touch with Jack's parents in order to carry out "his wishes".."I mean about the ashes and all". Why does she have to clarify what Jack's wishes with the "I mean" tag. That hit me..what other wishes could she be referring to???
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« Reply #42 on: Feb 11, 2006, 08:44 PM »
At the end Lureen's discussion with Ennis, she suggests he get in touch with Jack's parents in order to carry out "his wishes".."I mean about the ashes and all". Why does she have to clarify what Jack's wishes with the "I mean" tag. That hit me..what other wishes could she be referring to???

I've wondered about that, too, but can't for the life of me figure out what it means, unless Lureen knew that Jack's true wish was to be with Ennis.  I can't think of any other wish it could be, but that would mean that Lureen knew all about the relationship.

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« Reply #43 on: Feb 11, 2006, 09:32 PM »
When Jack first made the offer to Ennis about living together in a Ranch running a cow and calf operation, he never mentioned that it was going to be in Mr. Twist's Sr's ranch.  I don't think even Ennis knew that until he went to visit Jack's parents.  In the movie and short story we were led to believe that the ranch was going to be a new ranch bought by Jack and maybe Ennis.  I believe that was Jack's # 1 wish IMO.  So, by saying 'the ashes I mean', Lureen is saying to Ennis, at least fullfill Jack's wish in regard to his ashes since reset of his wishes doesn't really matter anymore.  Who knows, Jack could or would have mentioned him and Ennis going to the Twist ranch and building it up in passing.  Also, Ennis didn't know anything about Jack wanting his ashes to go up to Brokeback.  Jack told Lureen that was his favorite place and that's where he wanted his ashes go.  Interestingly, Jack does say to Ennis that their whole relationship is built on Brokeback, if Ennis never knows the rest in their last argument. 

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« Reply #44 on: Feb 11, 2006, 09:35 PM »
One more post like that, and Im a gonna start crying again!
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« Reply #45 on: Feb 11, 2006, 09:47 PM »
If you can't fix it you got to stand it... CODY!!!! :)

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« Reply #46 on: Feb 11, 2006, 10:26 PM »
I know, and that's the been the tough part of all of this. This movie just makes me sob.
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« Reply #47 on: Feb 11, 2006, 10:35 PM »
You bet!

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« Reply #48 on: Mar 24, 2006, 08:08 PM »
At the end of the movie, when the camera looks out of Ennis's window towards a green grassy field (maybe a cornfield?) and there's really nothing much else to see... I was reminded of the window in Jack's bedroom, that god-forsaken house and place where he grew up, and how for years, that was the only view Jack had as a boy, the road passing by his house, the only road out of the hell he grew up in. Ennis raises the window and props it up, as  he's telling Jack, "Whatever is left of your spirit in this house, let it fly free, back to our mountain..."

I don't think the story ever tells how old he was when he left home, but I feel he must have been pretty young. He must have left as soon as he was able to get out, I think, and probably only went home to see his mother more than his dad. Remember, his mother kept his room the way it had been when he was a boy. Remember the scene where Jack tells Ennis that his father was also a rodeo cowboy, but that he kept his secrets to himself and have never come to see Jack ride?  The father comes across as not caring one way or the other, but sort of sizing Ennis up, and then dismissing him at the end, by telling him, "I'm telling you, he'll be buried in the family plot."

I don't know how long Jack has been dead at this point, but when I read the story the first time, I remember thinking, "ok, Jack's dead, he's gonna be buried in the family plot... when? Why haven't you already done it."

Has anyone here ever read or seen the movie, "Shipping News" also written by Annie Proulx. In the story, the sister receives the ashes of her brother who had raped her when she was a girl. She takes the ashes to the outhouse and dumps them in the outhouse, and then sits on the outhouse hole and pees on the ashes.

I wonder what Jack's dad has done with Jack's ashes?

Jack's mother seems fearful of the father. Notice how she looks fearfully out of the corner of her eye when the father is telling Jack the first time, that Jack will be buried in the family plot. Then, as if sensing Ennis's anguish, she puts her hand on his shoulder and tells him he can go up to see Jack's room. When Jack came down with the shirts, she nods with a knowing smile and gets a paper bag for him to put them in. Notice how carefully (almost respectfully) the shirts are put into the bag. The father on the other hand doesn't even look up, his scowling expression never changes. Then there's that last cutting remark, as if to make sure the barb pierced Ennis's heart. He's telling him in no uncertain terms, that he knows the truth about Brokeback Mountain.  Jack's mother puts her hand to throat, as if hearing those words are choking her.  How did such a lovely woman ever end up with that rattlesnake of a husband?

And when Ennis walks outside, you can feel the tension drain off. Notice how he looks up at Jack's window one last time before turning towards his truck. Even though Jack's mother tells him to come back anytime, Ennis will never set foot on that property again.

At the end of the movie, he's putting the numbers on his mailbox, putting down roots. Alma Jr tells him she's getting married and at first he says, he can't make it (sounds like when Jack asked him to go back to Brokeback in August and Ennis told him he couldn't because he had to work). Then he changes his mind, and says the boss will have to find somebody else. "My little girl's getting married." Perhaps now, too late for Jack, though, Ennis is finally ready to start making some changes in his life. He watches Alma Jr go, then finds the sweater. He folds it (smells it before putting it in the closet, for the scent of her).

After Alma Jr leaves, he's probably feeling mixed emotions about his "little girl" getting married, perhaps feeling like he's losing yet another person he loves - probably the only person left on earth who really loves him. Love doesn't seem to come easily to Ennis, and it hurts when he loses it. Remember the divorce scene? Look at the tears in Ennis's eyes...

When he opens the closet door and sees the shirts, and says, "Jack, I swear..." I think he finally realizes his mistake... Perhaps if he had relented and joined Jack in August on Brokeback Mountain, Jack wouldn't have been in Texas where he was killed, but instead on Brokeback, safe with Ennis. I think he's saying, "Jack, I swear... if I had known it was going to be like this..."

There will no more "fishing trips" to catch up on each other's lives, no one to share the news with. He'll never be able to say to Jack, "My little girl's getting married!" Or perhaps, later, "I'm gonna be a grand dad!"

There's nothing left for him at this point -- no grave to mourn at, and Jack literally torn in two (between his wife and his parents - neither of whom seem too broken up about it, except for perhaps, the mother). There's only this makeshift shrine of two shirts and an old postcard to remind him of the happiness on Brokeback, and to worship the love of his life...

...and that lonely view outside of his window... with the fields and years stretching endlessly ahead of him...

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In an interview with The Advovate magazine with Larry McMurty and Diana Ossana, they are asked about the shirts at the end of the movie:

Interviewer: I had to see the movie twice before I realized that later on, when Ennis had those shirts hanging in his trailer, he’d tucked Jack’s inside his. Did you two come up with that?

Ossana: No. That was Heath.


Which just goes to how totally Heath had allowed himself to be the character of Ennis.  I wonder how Heath approached the writers and suggested it to them. I believe he totally fell into character and when it came time to film that scene, he instinctively knew that the shirts should be rearranged, now that they were his.

In a sense, before, Jack was holding Ennis inside himself, and now Ennis is holding Jack inside himself, protecting him.

I think it was Aristotle who said, "Friendship is a single soul inhabiting two bodies." Jack's soul is part of Ennis's now.

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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #49 on: Mar 24, 2006, 08:14 PM »
At the end Lureen's discussion with Ennis, she suggests he get in touch with Jack's parents in order to carry out "his wishes".."I mean about the ashes and all". Why does she have to clarify what Jack's wishes with the "I mean" tag. That hit me..what other wishes could she be referring to???

I've wondered about that, too, but can't for the life of me figure out what it means, unless Lureen knew that Jack's true wish was to be with Ennis.  I can't think of any other wish it could be, but that would mean that Lureen knew all about the relationship.

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From thre implications in the film, I am afraid Lureen knew of Jack's wishes to relocate with the ranch foreman. She only thought of the foreman as the other man..until Ennis explained that Brokeback mountain was real, and that experience belonged only to Jack and Ennis..that is when Lureen's whimpering starts, motivating the snide, cold about the ashes I mean. IMHO.
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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #50 on: Oct 19, 2006, 08:35 AM »
I believe Ennis took the ashes with him for the following reasons:
1) Jack's mum sent him to Jacks room (knowing fully well that the ashes were there and Ennis would find them)
2) She gives him the look when she puts the shirts in the back for him
3) She tells Ennis to come visit them again as if she wanted him to come back and tell her where he'd shattered the ashes / what he'd done with them..
4) In the next scene (right after Ennis left Jack's parents) we can see a car driving up a mountain.. Don't think that's a coincidance (Just like in the beginning where Ennis hitchhiked to Aguirre's trailer and met Jack..)
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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #51 on: Oct 19, 2006, 08:45 AM »
I believe Ennis took the ashes with him for the following reasons:
1) Jack's mum sent him to Jacks room (knowing fully well that the ashes were there and Ennis would find them)
2) She gives him the look when she puts the shirts in the back for him
3) She tells Ennis to come visit them again as if she wanted him to come back and tell her where he'd shattered the ashes / what he'd done with them..
4) In the next scene (right after Ennis left Jack's parents) we can see a car driving up a mountain.. Don't think that's a coincidance (Just like in the beginning where Ennis hitchhiked to Aguirre's trailer and met Jack..)


And I disagree for the following reasons:
1. "Grace" Twist would never have given Ennis the ashes even though she wanted to because she would have had to suffer the rath of John Twist.
2. The ashes would have been in a box or urn and they were not wrapped in the shirts.
3. The "car" you saw was actually Ennis' truck driving down the road from the Twist ranch. I believe the scene was put in there to show that the Twists live in the middle of nowhere where Ennis could have felt safe living there with Jack.


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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #52 on: Oct 19, 2006, 09:48 AM »
I believe Ennis took the ashes with him for the following reasons:
1) Jack's mum sent him to Jacks room (knowing fully well that the ashes were there and Ennis would find them)
2) She gives him the look when she puts the shirts in the back for him
3) She tells Ennis to come visit them again as if she wanted him to come back and tell her where he'd shattered the ashes / what he'd done with them..
4) In the next scene (right after Ennis left Jack's parents) we can see a car driving up a mountain.. Don't think that's a coincidance (Just like in the beginning where Ennis hitchhiked to Aguirre's trailer and met Jack..)


And I disagree for the following reasons:
1. "Grace" Twist would never have given Ennis the ashes even though she wanted to because she would have had to suffer the rath of John Twist.
2. The ashes would have been in a box or urn and they were not wrapped in the shirts.
3. The "car" you saw was actually Ennis' truck driving down the road from the Twist ranch. I believe the scene was put in there to show that the Twists live in the middle of nowhere where Ennis could have felt safe living there with Jack.




1. Why should she suffer the wrath of John. She's a clever woman.. and she sure knows how to 'fool' her husband. If the ashes were indeed in Jack's old room (which i suspect they were) I doubt that John would know bout that..
2. It was only half the ashes.. and why should they be in a urn? They could be in a small thing (lil box or sth) which would have fitted easily in the shirts.. (besides I even think the shirts looked like there was sth like a urn wrapped in them)
3. Why put in that scene.. It was already established that they were livin in the middle of nowhere.. There was no need for that scene otherwise..
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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #53 on: Oct 19, 2006, 08:35 PM »
I believe Ennis took the ashes with him for the following reasons:
1) Jack's mum sent him to Jacks room (knowing fully well that the ashes were there and Ennis would find them)
2) She gives him the look when she puts the shirts in the back for him
3) She tells Ennis to come visit them again as if she wanted him to come back and tell her where he'd shattered the ashes / what he'd done with them..
4) In the next scene (right after Ennis left Jack's parents) we can see a car driving up a mountain.. Don't think that's a coincidance (Just like in the beginning where Ennis hitchhiked to Aguirre's trailer and met Jack..)


And I disagree for the following reasons:
1. "Grace" Twist would never have given Ennis the ashes even though she wanted to because she would have had to suffer the rath of John Twist.
2. The ashes would have been in a box or urn and they were not wrapped in the shirts.
3. The "car" you saw was actually Ennis' truck driving down the road from the Twist ranch. I believe the scene was put in there to show that the Twists live in the middle of nowhere where Ennis could have felt safe living there with Jack.




1. Why should she suffer the wrath of John. She's a clever woman.. and she sure knows how to 'fool' her husband. If the ashes were indeed in Jack's old room (which i suspect they were) I doubt that John would know bout that..
2. It was only half the ashes.. and why should they be in a urn? They could be in a small thing (lil box or sth) which would have fitted easily in the shirts.. (besides I even think the shirts looked like there was sth like a urn wrapped in them)
3. Why put in that scene.. It was already established that they were livin in the middle of nowhere.. There was no need for that scene otherwise..


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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #54 on: Oct 20, 2006, 05:41 AM »
I'm with Patriot on this one. I don't think Ennis took the ashes. I don't think Jack's mum would have gone against her husband in that way and I also don't think Ennis would have gone looking for Jack's ashes (even to the point of opening boxes or whatever in Jack's old room)

I think the look that Jack's mum gives Ennis when he hands her the shirts is her saying to him "I've always known the significance of those shirts and now I know who you were to my son", nothing to do with the ashes, just a simple acknowledgement of the love that Jack and Ennis shared.

As to the "you come back and see us" remark....I always wondered if maybe she was saying something along the lines of "I'll work on him, see if I can't get him to change his mind and allow you to carry out Jack's final wishes". Just a feeling.....
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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #55 on: Oct 20, 2006, 06:45 AM »
I'm with Patriot on this one. I don't think Ennis took the ashes. I don't think Jack's mum would have gone against her husband in that way and I also don't think Ennis would have gone looking for Jack's ashes (even to the point of opening boxes or whatever in Jack's old room)


Well it's not going agains her husband if he never knew that.. Besides I think it's very important to her so see her son's wish carried out.

I don't think Ennis would have gone looking for the ashes since he prob. didn't even know they were there (if they were.. ) but Jack's old room was pretty empty and with Ennis going through his stuff it would have been quite hard to miss the ashes..

just my 2 cents :)
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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #56 on: Oct 20, 2006, 12:00 PM »
If Mrs Twist had any sense of humor she'd decant the ashes into another container, something like a coffee-can, and give them to Ennis the next time he came, having filled whatever Jack's ashes had been in with ashes from the fire or from something she burned herself. Easy to do in the day when John Twist was out working; he could put what he tthought was Jack's remains in the family plot, but Jack would hjave "escaped" this fate.

But I'm sure she didn't - I would have though.

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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #57 on: Oct 20, 2006, 12:23 PM »
Well it's not going agains her husband if he never knew that.. Besides I think it's very important to her so see her son's wish carried out.

I don't think Ennis would have gone looking for the ashes since he prob. didn't even know they were there (if they were.. ) but Jack's old room was pretty empty and with Ennis going through his stuff it would have been quite hard to miss the ashes..

just my 2 cents :)


EnnisTwist, Jack's ashes are a prety important part of the movie, wouldn't you say?

Why then did Ang Lee:
1. Not show us that Jack's ashes were in his room...
2. Not show us that Ennis found them...
3. Not show us that Ennis wrapped the ashes in the shirts...
4. Not show us Ennis scattering them on Brokeback Mountain?

Ang Lee didn't show us anything to do with Jack's ashes and Ennis taking them because it never happened.


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Re: Ashes - Possible spoiler!
« Reply #58 on: Oct 21, 2006, 01:44 AM »
Well it's not going agains her husband if he never knew that.. Besides I think it's very important to her so see her son's wish carried out.

I don't think Ennis would have gone looking for the ashes since he prob. didn't even know they were there (if they were.. ) but Jack's old room was pretty empty and with Ennis going through his stuff it would have been quite hard to miss the ashes..

just my 2 cents :)


EnnisTwist, Jack's ashes are a prety important part of the movie, wouldn't you say?

Why then did Ang Lee:
1. Not show us that Jack's ashes were in his room...
2. Not show us that Ennis found them...
3. Not show us that Ennis wrapped the ashes in the shirts...
4. Not show us Ennis scattering them on Brokeback Mountain?

Ang Lee didn't show us anything to do with Jack's ashes and Ennis taking them because it never happened.




There's so much that Ang didn't show us, or just indicated or wanted us to find out on our own.. We didn't see ANYTHING about the ashes.. Never saw him burried in the family plot either, the ashes have never been mentioned apart from that telephone call with Laureen and Jack's dad (which isn't very objective don't you think?)
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