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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #630 on: Dec 12, 2008, 03:50 PM »
Quote from: myprivatejack on Dec 12, 2008, 03:36 PM
Loreen,I love the way you compare the two nights: In SNIT they only remove the wall ruins and every possibility was open. Even if I think that the only possibility that was open that second night was the one of discovering themselves in every sense and feel free as they wouldn't be anymore.

MPJ,  :t)

The possibilities were open 100%. It was their choice/mistake to limit those possibilities with unnecessary boundaries.  :(

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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #631 on: Dec 12, 2008, 04:38 PM »
Quote from: loreen on Dec 12, 2008, 03:50 PM
MPJ,  :t)

The possibilities were open 100%. It was their choice/mistake to limit those possibilities with unnecessary boundaries.  :(

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And they didn't.Not that night,nor these happy times in BBM.What follows,it's another history,unfortunately.
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #632 on: Dec 12, 2008, 05:02 PM »
Quote from: myprivatejack on Dec 12, 2008, 04:38 PM
And they didn't.Not that night,nor these happy times in BBM.What follows,it's another history,unfortunately.

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I tend no to think about that...

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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #633 on: Dec 12, 2008, 09:16 PM »
It's really sad to think of it. How the love was managed for 20 yrs., the love they had was was defintly right and right there but since when can love be managed?  We cannot say what we will or won't do for it huh? Right or wrong , love  lead them.

During FNIT, I wonder if it dawned on Ennis that all the time on the mountain that summer, Jack never mentioned a woman, girlfriend or fiance'. Ennis himself had one, and spoke of her breifly to Jack. Jack spoke of his father, and his mother, rodeoing , Ennis's upbringing  seeking the reasons why  Ennis was so closed up etc. around the camp fires, ..and so the subject becomes ...Did Jack have prior  sexual experiences with men?. I mean, he did make a play for the clown...Could  some of the same opinions discussed in the "Was Ennis Gay?? thread apply to Jack as well? Maybe this deserves it's own thread....but was Jack gay? Just askin....Thanx.



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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #634 on: Dec 12, 2008, 11:58 PM »
Quote from: aintfoolin on Dec 12, 2008, 09:16 PM
It's really sad to think of it. How the love was managed for 20 yrs., the love they had was was defintly right and right there but since when can love be managed?  We cannot say what we will or won't do for it huh? Right or wrong , love  lead them.

During FNIT, I wonder if it dawned on Ennis that all the time on the mountain that summer, Jack never mentioned a woman, girlfriend or fiance'. Ennis himself had one, and spoke of her breifly to Jack. Jack spoke of his father, and his mother, rodeoing , Ennis's upbringing  seeking the reasons why  Ennis was so closed up etc. around the camp fires, ..and so the subject becomes ...Did Jack have prior  sexual experiences with men?. I mean, he did make a play for the clown...Could  some of the same opinions discussed in the "Was Ennis Gay?? thread apply to Jack as well? Maybe this deserves it's own thread....but was Jack gay? Just askin....Thanx.





I'm with you on this, aintfoolin, you got the opening line, girlfriend go for it and start the thread. 
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #635 on: Dec 13, 2008, 06:03 PM »
Quote from: aintfoolin on Dec 12, 2008, 09:16 PM
It's really sad to think of it. How the love was managed for 20 yrs., the love they had was was defintly right and right there but since when can love be managed?  We cannot say what we will or won't do for it huh? Right or wrong , love  lead them.

During FNIT, I wonder if it dawned on Ennis that all the time on the mountain that summer, Jack never mentioned a woman, girlfriend or fiance'. Ennis himself had one, and spoke of her breifly to Jack. Jack spoke of his father, and his mother, rodeoing , Ennis's upbringing  seeking the reasons why  Ennis was so closed up etc. around the camp fires, ..and so the subject becomes ...Did Jack have prior  sexual experiences with men?. I mean, he did make a play for the clown...Could  some of the same opinions discussed in the "Was Ennis Gay?? thread apply to Jack as well? Maybe this deserves it's own thread....but was Jack gay? Just askin....Thanx.





That would make for an enthralling thread I think.  :s)  (^)  ???  $)

 :s)  I was attracted to yellow for a minute there.
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #636 on: Dec 14, 2008, 02:04 PM »
Quote from: aintfoolin on Dec 12, 2008, 09:16 PM
It's really sad to think of it. How the love was managed for 20 yrs., the love they had was was defintly right and right there but since when can love be managed?  We cannot say what we will or won't do for it huh? Right or wrong , love  lead them.

During FNIT, I wonder if it dawned on Ennis that all the time on the mountain that summer, Jack never mentioned a woman, girlfriend or fiance'. Ennis himself had one, and spoke of her breifly to Jack. Jack spoke of his father, and his mother, rodeoing , Ennis's upbringing  seeking the reasons why  Ennis was so closed up etc. around the camp fires, ..and so the subject becomes ...Did Jack have prior  sexual experiences with men?. I mean, he did make a play for the clown...Could  some of the same opinions discussed in the "Was Ennis Gay?? thread apply to Jack as well? Maybe this deserves it's own thread....but was Jack gay? Just askin....Thanx.




Thats a good point u have made aintfoolin and a thread must be started on Jack's past...Please do the honors..Thanks so much  ^f^
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #637 on: Dec 15, 2008, 03:36 AM »
Please go to "Was Jack Gay? or Straight?  but in love. The Was Jack Gay? with Experience?  Thread has been merged with that one. It should be a very interesting discussion. ;)  :t)
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #638 on: Jan 18, 2009, 05:03 PM »
Is it the truth that at first they only did FNIT, and later decided to shoot SNIT?

I wonder how BBM would look like without SNIT? It would be completely different movie!

Thank God that we have it!  <^(
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #639 on: Jan 19, 2009, 06:32 PM »
If I remember correctly, Ang always intended for SNIT to be in the Movie so the audience would "connect" w/ their love.
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #640 on: Jan 19, 2009, 06:46 PM »
Quote from: atalley on Jan 19, 2009, 06:32 PM
If I remember correctly, Ang always intended for SNIT to be in the Movie so the audience would "connect" w/ their love.


I agree with him! 100%!  :)

I don't know where i read it, but I think that SNIT was added later!... I might be wrong!  ???
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #641 on: Jan 21, 2009, 09:09 AM »
But I am glad that they had FNIT all the same.  It was more abrupt and a bit unnerving to many viewers, but I think it showed how clumsy and awkward things were at the beginning -- and understandably so.

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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #642 on: Jan 21, 2009, 09:13 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Jan 21, 2009, 09:09 AM
But I am glad that they had FNIT all the same.  It was more abrupt and a bit unnerving to many viewers, but I think it showed how clumsy and awkward things were at the beginning -- and understandably so.



I forgot to say: glad that you're back tpe! Hope you had a great time!  ^f^

The more I watch, the lovelier FNIT looks like. Clumsy, but adorable!  <^(
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #643 on: Jan 21, 2009, 09:15 AM »
Quote from: loreen on Jan 21, 2009, 09:13 AM
I forgot to say: glad that you're back tpe! Hope you had a great time!  ^f^

The more I watch, the lovelier FNIT looks like. Clumsy, but adorable!  <^(

OT:  Thanks loreen.  I must admit that I still have a slight headache...

Yes, as time goes by, I get to appreciate FNIT more and more...

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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #644 on: Jan 21, 2009, 11:07 AM »
No matter how abrupt,awkward or,even violent,FNIT can seem to many viewers; as everything in the movie,it has a reason of being.An explosion of something that was growing between them,that couldn't be expressed by words and that,with alcohol help,was said in a more radical way-to see it in some way... ^-^.What opened up the doors to the realisation of something deeper after the first moments of confusion and tension,and that led to SNIT.For me,both scenes are perfect in their meaning and way of express them.
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
("If I asked")
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #645 on: Jan 21, 2009, 11:27 AM »
Quote from: myprivatejack on Jan 21, 2009, 11:07 AM
No matter how abrupt,awkward or,even violent,FNIT can seem to many viewers; as everything in the movie,it has a reason of being.An explosion of something that was growing between them,that couldn't be expressed by words and that,with alcohol help,was said in a more radical way-to see it in some way... ^-^.What opened up the doors to the realisation of something deeper after the first moments of confusion and tension,and that led to SNIT.For me,both scenes are perfect in their meaning and way of express them.

Oh, how I agree on this one mpj!  <^(

There is only one thing - I have always wanted to see a bit more of SNIT at least a few seconds....

About the reunion kiss. I would like to see when Ennis slams Jack on the wall and kisses him - to actually see the kiss, that is - from a different angle! To see their lips come together, not only Ennis' backhead!  :i

 <^( <^( <^(

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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #646 on: Jan 21, 2009, 12:14 PM »
Quote from: loreen on Jan 21, 2009, 11:27 AM
Oh, how I agree on this one mpj!  <^(

There is only one thing - I would always like to see a bit more of SNIT at leat a few seconds....

About the reunion kiss. I would like to see when Ennis slams Jack on the wall and kisses him - to actually see the kiss, that is - from a different angle! To see their lips come together, not only Ennis' backhead!  :i

 <^( <^( <^(


Aha,you're nasty,Loreen ¡ >:D But you see their lips come together right after the wall kiss...And how ¡¡¡ :d)
If we must be nasty then,I'd say that I had liked to see the beginning of the motel scene,just to realise the strenght of their passion... ::)
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
("If I asked")
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #647 on: Jan 21, 2009, 12:20 PM »
Quote from: myprivatejack on Jan 21, 2009, 12:14 PM
Aha,you're nasty,Loreen ¡ >:D But you see their lips come together right after the wall kiss...And how ¡¡¡ :d)
If we must be nasty then,I'd say that I had liked to see the beginning of the motel scene,just to realise the strenght of their passion... ::)

OMG, the motel! I completely forgot about motel!  %&)

Beginning??? Only the beginning?? I want to see all the way to the end!  ;D ;D ;D

Joke!  ;) Sure! The passion they felt there, after 4 years... mmm.. only a little bit would be so nice!  :i  (^) :clap:

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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #648 on: Jan 21, 2009, 04:57 PM »
A bit more of SNIT would've been nice, for sure.  OK, OK-maybe a little more in the Motel, also. ;)
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #649 on: Jan 21, 2009, 05:30 PM »
Quote from: atalley on Jan 21, 2009, 04:57 PM
A bit more of SNIT would've been nice, for sure.  OK, OK-maybe a little more in the Motel, also. ;)

Shame on you Atalley!  %(

MPJ and I are very bad influence to you!  >:D

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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #650 on: Jan 21, 2009, 05:31 PM »
Quote from: loreen on Jan 21, 2009, 05:30 PM
Shame on you Atalley!  %(

MPJ and I are very bad influence to you!  >:D

 ;D ;D ;D

Who,we?... #)...Ah,just let her be enjoying ¡¡¡  >:D
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #651 on: Jan 21, 2009, 05:46 PM »
Quote from: myprivatejack on Jan 21, 2009, 05:31 PM
Who,we?... #)...Ah,just let her be enjoying ¡¡¡  >:D

I wish we could all enjoy in some more sex scenes  :d)  :i
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #652 on: Jan 21, 2009, 06:42 PM »
There is just never enough time of J & E loving in the film  <^(  but we can use our vivid imaginations  :d)
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #653 on: Jan 22, 2009, 08:19 AM »
Quote from: myprivatejack on Jan 21, 2009, 11:07 AM
No matter how abrupt,awkward or,even violent,FNIT can seem to many viewers; as everything in the movie,it has a reason of being.An explosion of something that was growing between them,that couldn't be expressed by words and that,with alcohol help,was said in a more radical way-to see it in some way... ^-^.What opened up the doors to the realisation of something deeper after the first moments of confusion and tension,and that led to SNIT.For me,both scenes are perfect in their meaning and way of express them.

For me, they are "perfect" in the sense that the progression is so natural -- for me at least.  Their meaning for me is in terms of a gradual opening up.  That this meaning remains imperfect and ambiguous in places is part of the overall perfection, if you don't take this to be contradictory.

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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #654 on: Jan 22, 2009, 08:21 AM »
Quote from: loreen on Jan 21, 2009, 05:30 PM
Shame on you Atalley!  %(

MPJ and I are very bad influence to you!  >:D

 ;D ;D ;D

Well, I always thought that the motel scene was all after the fact -- not exactly a vivid sex scene, no? 
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #655 on: Jan 22, 2009, 08:22 AM »
Quote from: rimasworld on Jan 21, 2009, 06:42 PM
There is just never enough time of J & E loving in the film  <^(  but we can use our vivid imaginations  :d)

There is enough suggestion in the sex scenes, I would say -- enough for our imaginations to chew on.  :)

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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #656 on: Jan 22, 2009, 11:38 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Jan 22, 2009, 08:22 AM
There is enough suggestion in the sex scenes, I would say -- enough for our imaginations to chew on.  :)


Really?! I didn't know what was happening! #)  ;D
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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #657 on: Jan 22, 2009, 11:46 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Jan 22, 2009, 08:21 AM
Well, I always thought that the motel scene was all after the fact -- not exactly a vivid sex scene, no? 

Well, it was after the facts, but it was also (with reunion kiss included) the most passionate moment of all. And it wouldn't hurt anyone if they showed us a few seconds of that passion!   ;) #)


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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #658 on: Jan 23, 2009, 09:09 AM »
Quote from: BlueMountain on Jan 22, 2009, 11:38 AM
Really?! I didn't know what was happening! #)  ;D

 ;D  I'm sure you didn't.  ;)

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Re: Would you change the sex scenes and, if so, how...?
« Reply #659 on: Jan 23, 2009, 09:11 AM »
Quote from: loreen on Jan 22, 2009, 11:46 AM
Well, it was after the facts, but it was also (with reunion kiss included) the most passionate moment of all. And it wouldn't hurt anyone if they showed us a few seconds of that passion!   ;) #)

Personally, I look at it first of all as a relaxed and intimate moment between the two of them --- as post-coital scenes are wont to be.  But yes, there is enough suggestion of the sweat and smell of sex to keep us on our toes.

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