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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #30 on: Nov 27, 2006, 09:46 AM »
Ennis mumbling all the time can be quite trying at times.  The confrontation with Cassie is perhaps one of the most perfect scenes to illustrate how difficult the words came out of Ennis later in life...

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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #31 on: Nov 28, 2006, 07:51 AM »
ennis never told Jack I LOVE YOU because what he feels for him is beyond life ,death and loveeee <^( <^( <^(
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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #32 on: Dec 03, 2006, 07:37 AM »
If you put your headphones on , and the sound on max.. you can hear a world of new things!!!
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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #33 on: Dec 03, 2006, 11:09 AM »
Quote from: ana on Dec 03, 2006, 07:37 AM
If you put your headphones on , and the sound on max.. you can hear a world of new things!!!

any example? i'm really curious, i don't have earphones...
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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #34 on: Dec 04, 2006, 05:59 AM »
Yes , You should invest in a good set of headphones.  And turn on your surroundsound if you have it. You will hear so much more.
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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #35 on: Dec 04, 2006, 07:52 AM »
Quote from: aintfoolin on Dec 04, 2006, 05:59 AM
Yes , You should invest in a good set of headphones.  And turn on your surroundsound if you have it. You will hear so much more.

I agree with Ana and aintfoolin. You hear sooo much more <^( <^(
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The most difficult scene was the paragraph where, on the mountain, Ennis holds Jack and rocks back and forth, humming, the moment mixed with childhood loss and his refusal to admit he was holding a man.

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From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood, Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking.

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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #36 on: Dec 04, 2006, 09:07 AM »
Interesting.  So there was a lot more said than what is put down in the official screenplay, I gather...  Not at all unlikely...



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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #37 on: Dec 04, 2006, 11:18 AM »
Quote from: Twisted on Dec 04, 2006, 07:52 AM
Quote from: aintfoolin on Dec 04, 2006, 05:59 AM
Yes , You should invest in a good set of headphones.  And turn on your surroundsound if you have it. You will hear so much more.

I agree with Ana and aintfoolin. You hear sooo much more <^( <^(

no ladies and gentlemen here - THIS IS NOT NICE... more than in the screenbook - and you don't tell me? how can i sleep tonite? no time to get those f** headphones!!!

really - tell me you are joking, yes?

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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #38 on: Dec 04, 2006, 11:28 AM »
Sorry tizi, but we are not. You hear some lovely things when you have headphones. Tommorrow, go and buy them! O0
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From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood, Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking.

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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #39 on: Dec 04, 2006, 11:30 AM »
 ^*) ^*) ^*)

okok, i will...........
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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #40 on: Dec 21, 2006, 02:43 AM »
Quote from: Audrey twist on Nov 28, 2006, 07:51 AM
ennis never told Jack I LOVE YOU because what he feels for him is beyond life ,death and loveeee <^( <^( <^(

Forgive me if this was discussed before - I'm new to this site and am a little overwhelmed with all the posts (but they're great). 

I read on a thread someplace - still trying to find it again - that in the closet when Ennis was hugging the shirts, he said "I love you".  I have seen this movie 15 times, yes 15, and never heard that.  Has anyone else? 

Also, in the SNIT scene, as i wrote in another thread, i think all the words were spoken by Jack and they sounded like these, "Come here" (very faint - just before pulling in for the kiss) and then, "Can i kiss you?".  After the kiss, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, It's all right".  It's said so softly, lips barely moving, & the music crescendoing, that it's difficult to understand.  My subtitles had all of this except the "come here", but as it was said, subtitles are not always accurate.  In Lureen's phone call with Ennis, the subtitles said "i know you were his fishing buddy and his hunting buddy".  We all know she didn't say "hunting".  did she?

any thoughts?
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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #41 on: Dec 21, 2006, 08:07 AM »
Quote from: BBM Fan on Dec 21, 2006, 02:43 AM
Quote from: Audrey twist on Nov 28, 2006, 07:51 AM
ennis never told Jack I LOVE YOU because what he feels for him is beyond life ,death and loveeee <^( <^( <^(

Forgive me if this was discussed before - I'm new to this site and am a little overwhelmed with all the posts (but they're great). 

I read on a thread someplace - still trying to find it again - that in the closet when Ennis was hugging the shirts, he said "I love you".  I have seen this movie 15 times, yes 15, and never heard that.  Has anyone else? 

Also, in the SNIT scene, as i wrote in another thread, i think all the words were spoken by Jack and they sounded like these, "Come here" (very faint - just before pulling in for the kiss) and then, "Can i kiss you?".  After the kiss, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, It's all right".  It's said so softly, lips barely moving, & the music crescendoing, that it's difficult to understand.  My subtitles had all of this except the "come here", but as it was said, subtitles are not always accurate.  In Lureen's phone call with Ennis, the subtitles said "i know you were his fishing buddy and his hunting buddy".  We all know she didn't say "hunting".  did she?

any thoughts?

BBM Fan, welcome.

I also agree with you that subtitles are not always accurate.  In the end, what we hear or think we hear becomes very subjective.

Personally, I believe that word "love" was only mentioned only twice in the entire movie.  This limited usage seems to be in keeping with the spirit of the short story, and with the overall restraint of the film.  Use of it is, in many ways, quite secondary, if unnecessary.  We know, even if we do not hear.

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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #42 on: Jan 04, 2007, 02:00 PM »
I guess I can post this in here.. :)

In the reunion scene, I hear things, but I'm not sure, if it's just me.. Do you hear this:

1. After the Jack Fukin' Twist, Jack says Ennis.

2. After the hug, Ennis says, come here.

3. In this scene

Jack says camoon.

4. After the nose rubbing Ennis says Later.

Am I just hearing things, or do you hear any of these?
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From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood, Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking.

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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #43 on: Jan 04, 2007, 02:07 PM »
you're hearing things my dear - what was it about the headphones???

but you are right with what you hear... at no 1 we also have ennissonofabitch, no?
and at 4: i still am more than convinced that he said "little darlin'" as in the ss... i know, maybe i'm just dreaming... music is a bit loud there, just stepping in. but i swar i can hear this..

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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #44 on: Jan 04, 2007, 02:19 PM »
The headphones told me these lines ;D I so hear them. I have to listen the "little darlin' " cos, I don't hear it, I always thought, that the nose rubbing( same as my avatar) is the same as the little darlin' without words.. IMO. But of course I'm willing to listen that. I just love to watch that scene over and over again.. <^(
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The most difficult scene was the paragraph where, on the mountain, Ennis holds Jack and rocks back and forth, humming, the moment mixed with childhood loss and his refusal to admit he was holding a man.

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From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood, Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking.

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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #45 on: Jan 04, 2007, 02:20 PM »
 I just love to watch that scene over and over again.. <^(
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and again and again and again.... just this one.... <^(
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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #46 on: Jan 04, 2007, 02:25 PM »
Yes, and then you just have to watch the SNIT over and over.. Then again this.. <^(
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From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood, Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking.

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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #47 on: Jan 04, 2007, 02:28 PM »
how do you know?.... and then maybe parts of motel siesta... and oh BTW - a lot to hear in FNIT.... :d)
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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #48 on: Jan 04, 2007, 02:30 PM »
Quote from: tizi17 on Jan 04, 2007, 02:28 PM
how do you know?.... and then maybe parts of motel siesta... and oh BTW - a lot to hear in FNIT.... :d)

Yes ;D Did you check the "jack says fu*k me" thread? The last page, my hearings over there... ^-^
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The most difficult scene was the paragraph where, on the mountain, Ennis holds Jack and rocks back and forth, humming, the moment mixed with childhood loss and his refusal to admit he was holding a man.

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From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood, Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking.

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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #49 on: Jan 04, 2007, 02:32 PM »
yes!!!  and ever since then i - you know - headphones... ;)
and sometimes i hear and sometimes not - depends.. you know, on some youtube filmies you can hear it even better.... oh wow!! :d)
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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #50 on: Jan 04, 2007, 02:39 PM »
Quote from: tizi17 on Jan 04, 2007, 02:32 PM
yes!!!  and ever since then i - you know - headphones... ;)
and sometimes i hear and sometimes not - depends.. you know, on some youtube filmies you can hear it even better.... oh wow!! :d)

I know!! Sometimes I have to change the sound effects to hear it clearler, but I hear them..always.. Or are the words allready deep insade my head, that I can hear them, even if they are not actually saying those words..??


Headphones are Great!!!
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The most difficult scene was the paragraph where, on the mountain, Ennis holds Jack and rocks back and forth, humming, the moment mixed with childhood loss and his refusal to admit he was holding a man.

- Annie Proulx -



From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood, Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking.

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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #51 on: Jan 04, 2007, 02:44 PM »
Quote from: Twisted on Jan 04, 2007, 02:39 PM
I know!! Sometimes I have to change the sound effects to hear it clearler, but I hear them..always.. Or are the words allready deep insade my head, that I can hear them, even if they are not actually saying those words..??

here we go.... LITTLE DARLIN' he says...
Headphones are Great!!!

yep - agree to that!!
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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #52 on: Jan 04, 2007, 10:36 PM »
Quote from: Twisted on Jan 04, 2007, 02:30 PM
Yes ;D Did you check the "jack says fu*k me" thread? The last page, my hearings over there... ^-^

Do you hear Ennis say "yeah!" in the FNIT?  - as Jack is pounding his fist.
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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #53 on: Jan 04, 2007, 10:39 PM »
Quote from: Twisted on Jan 04, 2007, 02:00 PM
I guess I can post this in here.. :)

In the reunion scene, I hear things, but I'm not sure, if it's just me.. Do you hear this:

1. After the Jack Fukin' Twist, Jack says Ennis.

2. After the hug, Ennis says, come here.

3. In this scene

Jack says camoon.

4. After the nose rubbing Ennis says Later.

Am I just hearing things, or do you hear any of these?

My subtitles say (& I realize they're not always accurate) that Ennis says, "Come here" & later, as he pulls Jack off him, he says "hey". I don't hear "later", but I know others do.  I gained a lot from the subtitles.  People always mention muting or turning down the music while using the headphones.  How do you do that?
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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #54 on: Jan 05, 2007, 12:46 AM »
Quote from: BBM Fan on Jan 04, 2007, 10:39 PM
People always mention muting or turning down the music while using the headphones.  How do you do that?

Hmm, I don't do it, and I don't know how to do it, maybe there have to be better music equipments..?
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The most difficult scene was the paragraph where, on the mountain, Ennis holds Jack and rocks back and forth, humming, the moment mixed with childhood loss and his refusal to admit he was holding a man.

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From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood, Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking.

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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #55 on: Jan 05, 2007, 12:46 AM »
Quote from: BBM Fan on Jan 04, 2007, 10:36 PM
Do you hear Ennis say "yeah!" in the FNIT?  - as Jack is pounding his fist.

No, but I will check this asap. :)
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The most difficult scene was the paragraph where, on the mountain, Ennis holds Jack and rocks back and forth, humming, the moment mixed with childhood loss and his refusal to admit he was holding a man.

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From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood, Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking.

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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #56 on: Jan 05, 2007, 01:16 AM »
Quote from: BBM Fan on Jan 04, 2007, 10:39 PM
My subtitles say (& I realize they're not always accurate) that Ennis says, "Come here" & later, as he pulls Jack off him, he says "hey". I don't hear "later", but I know others do.  I gained a lot from the subtitles.  People always mention muting or turning down the music while using the headphones.  How do you do that?

I'm not sure how its done but I never heard "later" until I watched this youtube video. The sound is fantastic.

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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #57 on: Jan 05, 2007, 02:04 AM »
Quote from: carbyville on Jan 05, 2007, 01:16 AM
I'm not sure how its done but I never heard "later" until I watched this youtube video. The sound is fantastic.



Hey Carbyville:  I've watched this video, ah, once or twice. This is the best for hearing everything.  But I hadn't heard "later" until now.  Thanks for pointing that out.  Right after Ennis says "later", as he "slaps" Jack's face, he says, "Hey".  Can you hear that? 

TWISTED:  You can also hear "Yeah!" in the FNIT in this video.  I think it's pretty clear.  More research necessary  ^-^
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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #58 on: Jan 05, 2007, 04:53 AM »
Everyone who has'nt heard this stuff should hear tis youtube video . You cant;t miss it . The sound in this is excellent!
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Re: Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
« Reply #59 on: Jan 05, 2007, 08:41 AM »
Thanks everyone for the fascinating suggestions and links.  :)

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