Topic: When did they start to fall in love?

[Matt Nasty]

At a certain level, they probably did.  I think in real life, this is what makes people realize later on that they were in love all along... 

yes i think this is true it wasnt like when they first met they were like "oh, i love this man" but their souls did love each other i think love like this is transendant of how long you have known each other but i do agree that they never realised their love straight away.

[athena0204]

I feel it was attraction, friendship and love in that order.

 The attraction and friendship were the basis on which the love could potentially grow. Love at first sight is a romantic notion. Indeed we seem to have true hopeless romantics here, but looks  can be decieving, there had to be something about Jack that some one like  Ennis can grasp onto other than good looks.. Jack was gorgeous, yes but what was it about Jack that could make  Ennis  feel this way and over ride his fear of attraction for another man?? Jack, a very giving person was generous with his  *goofy,charmin,* down to earth personality. Jack, non-threatening and unspoiled, gentle and concerned.. Ennis had very low self-esteem and Jack was non-judgemental of that, giving Ennis more courage to open up.. Once Jack gained Ennis's trust, the walls came down.

 Had Jack had a different personality, say arrogant , selfish ,homophobic, and overbearing, of course this would have never worked out. They did'nt clash, instead, the fit together like hand in glove. The chemistry, eventually off the page. Ennis falls in love with the essence of Jack, the person Jack was, once he got to know him.  Jack's ability to make him feel that he was included in his world.  The fact that Jack was a man, should have been a hindrance in Ennis's phyche. In stead he is drawn to Jack in large part because he ...is ...well just ..Jack. who happens to be a man.   Nothing and no one else was gonna do. With Jack ,Ennis learned what true love was, but Jack had to  openly show Ennis who he was first, in order for Ennis to fall in love with him.

 I just don't feel that Ennis and Jack took one  look at each other that day in front of Aguirre's trailor and said * I love that man*., or * I'm in love with him*  Don't think it's that simple.  Sometimes loves has the element of surprise,  Only after sufficient complementary doses of each other do I feel that, suddenly, they discover they're in love with each other. In SNIT I feel Ennis is seeking some kind of confirmation  concerning what he was feeling. He finds it in Jack's eyes. To me Ennis's  eyes are  shyly searching Jack's  for answers and discovers love there. could it be true? , Jack's eyes answer  yeah,  it is true Ennis ,guess what? Were in love and knowingly seals it with a  kiss. The journey of discovery  becomes complete and niether can deny  that something  special had transpired between them that is beyond mere attraction and friendship. This was something alot more deep.  This is Love. 2 cent.

You're right. Jack had exactly the right personality. When Jack introduces himself and says, "Your folks just stop at Ennis?" and then says, "Nice to meet you, Ennis Del Mar." and shakes Ennis'  hand and smiles...he's being so kind to Ennis. I don't think that Ennis knew many people in his life who were kind to him. That's one of the reasons he'd built that wall around himself. So for the first time in Ennis' life, there's this person who genuinely likes him and is being genuinely kind to him, and I think that meant the world to Ennis. They had an intense bond and liking for each other right from that first day, although they didn't quite comprehend it yet. Over the next few weeks, they spent a lot of time with each other, and Ennis for the first time felt he had someone who understood him, that he'd found someone who liked him just the way he was and brought his true self out. At some point Jack realized what that inexplicable feeling was...it was true love, he had found his soulmate, Ennis. Jack had definitely realized this by the time Ennis had that cut on his face from falling, and Jack trys to tend to the cut. He didn't care that Ennis had lost the food, all he cared about was if Ennis was okay. Ennis realized it right before he walked into the tent on the SNIT. When he decided to go in there and be with Jack...he knew one hundred percent that he truly loved this person, and that he had found his soulmate. And you are right about how Jack confirmed Ennis' feelings with that beautiful look of pure love that he gave Ennis as he gently stroked his cheek. It reminds me of that Bryan Adams' song "Heaven". There's a line that goes "Love is all that I need, and I found it there in your heart." Love is all that Ennis ever needed in his life, and he found it right there in Jack's heart. When Ennis searched Jack's eyes for meaning, like you said, he found that pure, true love reflected in them. From when they first met, Jack saw Ennis for what he truly was, a sensitive, kind, lonely, emotional, gentle soul who felt lost in the world, and had built a wall around himself to protect himself from a cruel world full of people who didn't understand him. Jack brought out the true Ennis. So yes, they realized that it was true love right before the SNIT, but from the beginning their souls had connected, it was just inexplicable then.

[myprivatejack]

I feel it was attraction, friendship and love in that order.

 The attraction and friendship were the basis on which the love could potentially grow. Love at first sight is a romantic notion. Indeed we seem to have true hopeless romantics here, but looks  can be decieving, there had to be something about Jack that some one like  Ennis can grasp onto other than good looks.. Jack was gorgeous, yes but what was it about Jack that could make  Ennis  feel this way and over ride his fear of attraction for another man?? Jack, a very giving person was generous with his  *goofy,charmin,* down to earth personality. Jack, non-threatening and unspoiled, gentle and concerned.. Ennis had very low self-esteem and Jack was non-judgemental of that, giving Ennis more courage to open up.. Once Jack gained Ennis's trust, the walls came down.

 Had Jack had a different personality, say arrogant , selfish ,homophobic, and overbearing, of course this would have never worked out. They didn't clash, instead, the fit together like hand in glove. The chemistry, eventually off the page. Ennis falls in love with the essence of Jack, the person Jack was, once he got to know him.  Jack's ability to make him feel that he was included in his world.  The fact that Jack was a man, should have been a hindrance in Ennis's phyche. In stead he is drawn to Jack in large part because he ...is ...well just ..Jack. who happens to be a man.   Nothing and no one else was gonna do. With Jack ,Ennis learned what true love was, but Jack had to  openly show Ennis who he was first, in order for Ennis to fall in love with him.

 I just don't feel that Ennis and Jack took one  look at each other that day in front of Aguirre's trailor and said * I love that man*., or * I'm in love with him*  Don't think it's that simple.  Sometimes loves has the element of surprise,  Only after sufficient complementary doses of each other do I feel that, suddenly, they discover they're in love with each other. In SNIT I feel Ennis is seeking some kind of confirmation  concerning what he was feeling. He finds it in Jack's eyes. To me Ennis's  eyes are  shyly searching Jack's  for answers and discovers love there. could it be true? , Jack's eyes answer  yeah,  it is true Ennis ,guess what? Were in love and knowingly seals it with a  kiss. The journey of discovery  becomes complete and niether can deny  that something  special had transpired between them that is beyond mere attraction and friendship. This was something alot more deep.  This is Love. 2 cent.

I quote this post word by word.Ennis fall in love with Jack because he was not just like Ennis himself was, but a man who could give him what he needed from his character differences with him,and precisely for these differences...No,if Jack has been similar to Ennis the relationship hadn't worked so much and so well;but making Ennis feel important,needed,and appreciated was like an inner turmoil for him.Both emotionally,sentimentally and psychally.He was given all the affection and caring he needed because he hadn't had it from his childhood,from somebody who needed him and he needed,who cared for him and whom he could care for...And yes,parting from an initial attraction,then friendship-they needed each other,I repeat,and managed to open to each other as never before...and later,love.IMO.

[tpe]

yes i think this is true it wasnt like when they first met they were like "oh, i love this man" but their souls did love each other i think love like this is transendant of how long you have known each other but i do agree that they never realised their love straight away.

And it is so typical that even when we begin to be conscious of love, we invariably hide it even from our own selves, making excuses and subtle justifications.  I think that in real life, there is no single "moment" when one falls in love...

[Matt Nasty]

And it is so typical that even when we begin to be conscious of love, we invariably hide it even from our own selves, making excuses and subtle justifications.  I think that in real life, there is no single "moment" when one falls in love...

yes i agree.

[aintfoolin]

I quote this post word by word.Ennis fall in love with Jack because he was not just like Ennis himself was, but a man who could give him what he needed from his character differences with him,and precisely for these differences...No,if Jack has been similar to Ennis the relationship hadn't worked so much and so well;but making Ennis feel important,needed,and appreciated was like an inner turmoil for him.Both emotionally,sentimentally and psychally.He was given all the affection and caring he needed because he hadn't had it from his childhood,from somebody who needed him and he needed,who cared for him and whom he could care for...And yes,parting from an initial attraction,then friendship-they needed each other,I repeat,and managed to open to each other as never before...and later,love.IMO.

 Your comment reminds me of  Ennis engaging Jack in the the playful wrestling match the next morning following SNIT. It is initiated by Ennis, knocking Jack's hat off to the ground. A simple gesture that speaks to Ennis finding the confirmation he so desperatly sought. To me it means that Ennis has embraced / accepted his feelings for Jack. Whatever it was that transpired in the tent the night before, gave Ennis that light, happy feeling that only love can bring. Sweet. An observation.

[Matt Nasty]

Your comment reminds me of  Ennis engaging Jack in the the playful wrestling match the next morning following SNIT. It is initiated by Ennis, knocking Jack's hat off to the ground. A simple gesture that speaks to Ennis finding the confirmation he so desperatly sought. To me it means that Ennis has embraced / accepted his feelings for Jack. Whatever it was that transpired in the tent the night before, gave Ennis that light, happy feeling that only love can bring. Sweet. An observation.

hmmm intresting and really sweet i love talking about the happy parts

[tpe]

Your comment reminds me of  Ennis engaging Jack in the the playful wrestling match the next morning following SNIT. It is initiated by Ennis, knocking Jack's hat off to the ground. A simple gesture that speaks to Ennis finding the confirmation he so desperatly sought. To me it means that Ennis has embraced / accepted his feelings for Jack. Whatever it was that transpired in the tent the night before, gave Ennis that light, happy feeling that only love can bring. Sweet. An observation.

Well, cinematically speaking, I think that this was indeed the scenes when we truly know that they are lovers.

[athena0204]

From the beginning there was something far more than mere attraction or infatuation. Ennis and Jack were destined to be together. It is true that there were no "sparks" from the beginning, that at first it was a very deep, close friendship that they had. But remember, that that is how true love always begins, as friendship, as an intense bond that makes two people seem like they have known each other their whole lives. Ennis and Jack could have walked by each other and never noticed each other, because true love often begins with overlooking. But no matter what, destiny bring the two souls together. Have you ever walked by a person, and when they were just a few feet away from you, you feel like you know them even though you've never talked to them before? I used to read sometimes about this feeling of deja vu, of seeing a person and feeling like you've met them before, even though you haven't. I'd experienced it with places before, or events, but never with people. Until recently. There is someone that when I was only a few feet away from, I had this strong, uncanny feeling that I couldn't explain, that I knew him. This is how I believe Ennis and Jack felt on the day they met. They'd never seen each other before, but each one could feel that there was something different about the other. A feeling neither of them had ever felt before about another person. They both felt connected to each other, two souls who were meeting for the first time in this life, in this world, but had met long before they ever came here. They couldn't explain the feeling, but I believe it was definitely there. And that's what enabled Ennis to open up to another human being for the first time in his life, when he told his life's story to Jack at the bar that day. Their souls already knew each other.

[tpe]

From the beginning there was something far more than mere attraction or infatuation. Ennis and Jack were destined to be together. It is true that there were no "sparks" from the beginning, that at first it was a very deep, close friendship that they had. But remember, that that is how true love always begins, as friendship, as an intense bond that makes two people seem like they have known each other their whole lives. Ennis and Jack could have walked by each other and never noticed each other, because true love often begins with overlooking. But no matter what, destiny bring the two souls together. Have you ever walked by a person, and when they were just a few feet away from you, you feel like you know them even though you've never talked to them before? I used to read sometimes about this feeling of deja vu, of seeing a person and feeling like you've met them before, even though you haven't. I'd experienced it with places before, or events, but never with people. Until recently. There is someone that when I was only a few feet away from, I had this strong, uncanny feeling that I couldn't explain, that I knew him. This is how I believe Ennis and Jack felt on the day they met. They'd never seen each other before, but each one could feel that there was something different about the other. A feeling neither of them had ever felt before about another person. They both felt connected to each other, two souls who were meeting for the first time in this life, in this world, but had met long before they ever came here. They couldn't explain the feeling, but I believe it was definitely there. And that's what enabled Ennis to open up to another human being for the first time in his life, when he told his life's story to Jack at the bar that day. Their souls already knew each other.

I had many expreiences when I exchange a few words or simply pass by a person on the street or some cafe and felt impelled to know him.  Sometimes, I act on the impulse.  Sometimes, I don't.  It's many of the latter instances that I have come to regret the most.

[babytammy7]

They both felt connected to each other, two souls who were meeting for the first time in this life, in this world, but had met long before they ever came here. They couldn't explain the feeling, but I believe it was definitely there. And that's what enabled Ennis to open up to another human being for the first time in his life, when he told his life's story to Jack at the bar that day. Their souls already knew each other.

That's so beautiful and I totally believe in that!!