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« Reply #1 on: Feb 16, 2006, 11:28 PM »
Is it really all that bad? Am I not understanding it ?

I understand what he is trying to say, and apart from the 1st paragraph, I thought it was ok!

Others, what do you think?
If I am not understanding it, please tell me, English is not my first language, and maybe I read it all wrong.

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Jack and Ennis, the two lead characters, were hurt and they hurt. They were neither hapless victims nor watered-down heroes.

They were ... human. That's all. Nothing more.

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I think that's what makes the movie powerful and why it makes many people afraid. Because the more you show the undesirables of the world in their completeness, in their unmistakable humanity, the harder it becomes to hate them, to despise them, to continue to insist that they are one-dimensional caricatures who need to be scolded and molded into becoming that which will make the rest of us comfortable.

It's easy to pretend you fully understand the plight of others as long as you don't have to really know them.
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Re: "disgusted"
« Reply #2 on: Feb 16, 2006, 11:33 PM »
Yes an IDIOT!

<< On the mountain, alone together, the men fit together. Off the mountain, back in society, they didn't. Neither did they have enough courage or maturity to steer themselves clear of the kind of adulterous relationship that is at the heart of an increase in HIV infection today. >>

LOL, please please, it was in 50-60! He's acusing homosexuals of HIV infection today? AHAHAHA OH MY GOD! People like to blame others  ::)

<< If this was Hollywood's attempt to romanticize homosexual sex, as many on the right of the political spectrum have theorized, it was a failure. But if "Brokeback Mountain" was an attempt to show human behavior and relationships in all their complexity, it was an unmitigated success. >>

He never watched BBM, for sure!

And he should listen to what he's writing << They were ... human. That's all. Nothing more. >>

This part is really hard to understand for me, what he's trying to say?

<< I think that's what makes the movie powerful and why it makes many people afraid. Because the more you show the undesirables of the world in their completeness, in their unmistakable humanity, the harder it becomes to hate them, to despise them, to continue to insist that they are one-dimensional caricatures who need to be scolded and molded into becoming that which will make the rest of us comfortable.

It's easy to pretend you fully understand the plight of others as long as you don't have to really know them.

It's easy to ignore the evidence that suggests that homosexuality or gayness, or whatever title you like, might be just as inborn as heterosexuality, as long as you refuse to consider the possibility. Or evidence that suggests that maybe it's not. >>

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Re: "disgusted"
« Reply #3 on: Feb 16, 2006, 11:48 PM »
I take tabloids with a grain of salt. Afterall they are trying to simplify the complexity of the film for the common reader who is probably not going to read NYT or Washington Post.
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Re: "disgusted"
« Reply #4 on: Feb 16, 2006, 11:50 PM »
I take tabloids with a grain of salt. Afterall they are trying to simplify the complexity of the film for the common reader who is probably not going to read NYT or Washington Post.

OK, I am trying to read it again..but I guess at 4:50 am I am not really into it...I will read it later today, after a few hours sleep.

I'm not sure what to make of it.
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Re: "disgusted"
« Reply #5 on: Feb 17, 2006, 01:49 AM »
Yes an IDIOT!

<< On the mountain, alone together, the men fit together. Off the mountain, back in society, they didn't. Neither did they have enough courage or maturity to steer themselves clear of the kind of adulterous relationship that is at the heart of an increase in HIV infection today. >>

LOL, please please, it was in 50-60! He's acusing homosexuals of HIV infection today? AHAHAHA OH MY GOD! People like to blame others  ::)

<< If this was Hollywood's attempt to romanticize homosexual sex, as many on the right of the political spectrum have theorized, it was a failure. But if "Brokeback Mountain" was an attempt to show human behavior and relationships in all their complexity, it was an unmitigated success. >>

He never watched BBM, for sure!

And he should listen to what he's writing << They were ... human. That's all. Nothing more. >>

This part is really hard to understand for me, what he's trying to say?

<< I think that's what makes the movie powerful and why it makes many people afraid. Because the more you show the undesirables of the world in their completeness, in their unmistakable humanity, the harder it becomes to hate them, to despise them, to continue to insist that they are one-dimensional caricatures who need to be scolded and molded into becoming that which will make the rest of us comfortable.

It's easy to pretend you fully understand the plight of others as long as you don't have to really know them.

It's easy to ignore the evidence that suggests that homosexuality or gayness, or whatever title you like, might be just as inborn as heterosexuality, as long as you refuse to consider the possibility. Or evidence that suggests that maybe it's not. >>



Blah,blah,blah,..*yawn*..whoever this guy who wrote this review is, he sure one very annoying idiot,.. ::)
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Re: "disgusted"
« Reply #6 on: Feb 17, 2006, 03:41 AM »
This review wasn't nearly as hateful as some that I've seen on so-called Christian websites. I got the impression that the reviewer was trying to be fair and impartial, but he was watching the movie with a very rigid mind-set and a narrow perspective, and his perception of BBM was rather skewed.

From his first paragraph,

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In one scene, a main character of "Brokeback Mountain" was bent over in an alley, disgusted he had just spent weeks involved in a gay sexual relationship with a fellow cowboy.

it's clear that he just doesn't understand what's going on in Ennis' head. He sees Ennis getting sick, and assumes that Ennis is disgusted at his homosexual experiences on BBM. He just can't conceive that Ennis might be lovesick over leaving Jack.

I don't think this review is as much hostile or hateful as it is un-insightful and uninspired. The reviewer isn't a homophobe: he's just a turkey. Gobble, gobble, gobble.

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Re: "disgusted"
« Reply #7 on: Feb 17, 2006, 09:00 AM »
I always thought that Ennis was upset over having to leave Jack! That's why he went out of sight. I thought he was crying! I'm sure he was going through a full range of emotions!
Any other thoughts on this particular scene? or should i go to another post/forum?
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Re: "disgusted"
« Reply #8 on: Feb 17, 2006, 09:06 AM »
I always thought that Ennis was upset over having to leave Jack! That's why he went out of sight. I thought he was crying! I'm sure he was going through a full range of emotions!
Any other thoughts on this particular scene? or should i go to another post/forum?

No need to change forums, madisondel. Anyone who thinks Ennis was not desperately in love with Jack Twist is projecting his own problems into the film.

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Re: "disgusted"
« Reply #9 on: Feb 17, 2006, 09:17 AM »
Have a look at this thread about Ennis breaking down in the alleyway.

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Re: "disgusted"
« Reply #10 on: Feb 17, 2006, 05:25 PM »
The writer of this disgusted article has some serious issues...all about himself..that is sad.
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Re: "disgusted"
« Reply #11 on: Feb 17, 2006, 05:28 PM »
The writer of this disgusted article has some serious issues...all about himself..that is sad.

Yep I've reread it earlier on today...and it is a bad article...sorry for my previous post!
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Re: "disgusted"
« Reply #12 on: Feb 17, 2006, 05:39 PM »
He totally misses the point.

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Re: "disgusted"
« Reply #13 on: Feb 17, 2006, 07:33 PM »
This review wasn't nearly as hateful as some that I've seen on so-called Christian websites. I got the impression that the reviewer was trying to be fair and impartial, but he was watching the movie with a very rigid mind-set and a narrow perspective, and his perception of BBM was rather skewed.

From his first paragraph,

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In one scene, a main character of "Brokeback Mountain" was bent over in an alley, disgusted he had just spent weeks involved in a gay sexual relationship with a fellow cowboy.

it's clear that he just doesn't understand what's going on in Ennis' head. He sees Ennis getting sick, and assumes that Ennis is disgusted at his homosexual experiences on BBM. He just can't conceive that Ennis might be lovesick over leaving Jack.

I don't think this review is as much hostile or hateful as it is un-insightful and uninspired. The reviewer isn't a homophobe: he's just a turkey. Gobble, gobble, gobble.

Right you are.  Disgust is not even remotely what Ennis is feeling in that scene - it is LOSS and a heart breaking. :'(  I think the author of this column was trying to be nice, but totally missed everything this movie is about.
He pressed his face into the fabric and breathed in slowly through his mouth and nose, hoping for the faintest smoke and mountain sage and salty sweet stink of Jack but there was not real scent, only the memory of it, the imagined power of Brokeback Mountain of which nothing was left but what he held in his hands....

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Re: "disgusted"
« Reply #14 on: Feb 22, 2006, 11:38 PM »
here another aticle from the star: JAMAICA


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No to gay movie

JONIQUE GAYNOR, Staff Reporter


Jake Gyllenhaal (left) and Heath Ledger (right) from the movie 'Brokeback Mountain.' - CONTRIBUTED

AS THE PALACE Cineplex prepares to open the curtains for the first showing of the controversial movie 'Brokeback Mountain', members of the public are expressing disgust at the decision to show the film.

The movie is based on a short story by E. Annie Proulx and explores the lives of two cowboys and their forbidden and secret love affair. It will be shown at the Palace Cineplex at the Sovereign Centre, St. Andrew, and the Palace Multiplex cinema in Montego Bay, St. James.

Though the movie has been praised for its cinematography and has been nominated for eight Academy awards, members of the public are not impressed and view it as an attempt by homosexuals to force their lifestyle onto the public. Not since the 2004 release of Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ, has a movie sparked such controversy and debate and the movie's proponents are just as vocal as its detractors.

Roy, a taxi driver, told THE STAR, "No, we nuh want see dat. Dem nuffi show nuttin bout no gay business unless a supp'm fi get rid a di gay ting." His views were echoed by Jay, a dancer, who says the movie will "influence the rest of gays and mek dem tink seh wha dem a do a di right ting. A woman mi seh ennuh, cowboy nuh turn gay, cowboy authentic."

Local church groups are also disturbed by the movie, as are Christian-minded members of the public. One such person, Kereece, told THE STAR: "I don't think they should be allowed to show it. Showing it is saying it's okay to be gay and it's not. The Bible done denounce dat already."

Major Richard Cooke, president of the National Church Alliance, a group of local church leaders from various denominations, believes that the local release of the movie is part of an "agenda" to force the homosexual lifestyle onto the public and feels it is evidence that "western civilisation is experiencing decay." He added also that while the alliance was not trying to "muzzle people's views and expressions" they want to ensure that "wholesome values and attitudes are being promoted."

The movie was rated X 21 (adults 21 and over) by the Cine-matography Authority yesterday, a notch up from the R rating the Motion Picture Association of America had assigned. When deciding on the rating, the authority checks for the potential for social harm, anything that may incite violence, or content that contains injurious language to any group or sect. While admitting that the movie deals with a "difficult and sensitive subject", a member of the authority, Joyce Archibald, said it treats the issue delicately and is a "strong human story with superb acting and excellent photography." She added also that the movie does not promote homosexuality, but is "more pitched to tolerance." She anticipates that reactions will be varied but feels that "people will go [to see it] out of curiosity. I know it will start debates and discussions."

Douglas Graham, managing director of Palace Amusement Company Ltd, says the movie is "a very good picture and people should not object to watching it based on what they've heard." He also stated that the movie would not be recalled even if persons lobbied against it. "Why would we recall it? If we brought a movie that was antagonistic to Catholics, would it be recalled?" He added that people needed to grow past their attitude to homosexuality and not stigmatise people that watch the movie.

When THE STAR contacted the Jamaica Forum for Lesbians, All-Sexuals and Gays, a representative said that "the Jamaican opening of the movie is a wonderful idea." She added that she was looking forward to seeing the movie but felt that the local opening was not indicative of a softening of the public's stance towards homosexuality. She told THE STAR: "I think it [showing the movie] is just a cover up. I'm not buying it and I'm not impressed."

She is particularly disturbed by the fact that the movie is not being shown at the Carib cinema to open people's minds and get them to see things from a different point of view.
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