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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #90 on: Feb 23, 2006, 07:54 PM »
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P.S. I too want my OWN ENNIS haha!
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Actually, my "perfect" Ennis would have the same voice and mannerisms from the movie.  Dark hair, facial hair, and over 45 would seal the deal!  ;)

If Jack ages the way he did in the film....he is going to be like George Clooney....the older the better!!!!

I hear ya talkin Rod!  Maturity definitely has its appeal!!
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What did Ennis mean?
« Reply #91 on: Feb 23, 2006, 09:43 PM »
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Uh uh, speak for yourself. You may be a sinner, but I ain't yet had the opportunity.

Was Ennis telling Jack he was a virgin?
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Re: What did Ennis mean?
« Reply #92 on: Feb 23, 2006, 10:27 PM »


Was Ennis telling Jack he was a virgin?
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I think 'yes'.
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #93 on: Feb 23, 2006, 11:36 PM »
A very sly fliiration on Ennis' part. Hoping to get a rise out of Jack and a little more feed back. Ennis didn't miss that careful looking over Jack gave him earlier at the trailer.
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #94 on: Feb 24, 2006, 01:16 AM »
Quote from: Rod on Feb 23, 2006, 07:42 PM
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P.S. I too want my OWN ENNIS haha!
  >:( >:( >:( LOL  ;D .. as long as you don't want Heath!

Actually, my "perfect" Ennis would have the same voice and mannerisms from the movie.  Dark hair, facial hair, and over 45 would seal the deal!  ;)

If Jack ages the way he did in the film....he is going to be like George Clooney....the older the better!!!!
PLEASSSSSSSSSSSSSE I pray with all of my heart that he doesn't look anything like George Clooney, I am sorry if I offend anyone, but give jack some credit in the good looks gene pool, as for GC there is nothing sexy nor apealling about the guy, I truly don't get it, give me some Orlando Bloom some Jake Gyllenhaal, some Heath ledger and Ewen Mcgregor, but Clooney, not in my books
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #95 on: Feb 24, 2006, 03:20 PM »
Quote from: frenchcda on Feb 24, 2006, 01:16 AM
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P.S. I too want my OWN ENNIS haha!
  >:( >:( >:( LOL  ;D .. as long as you don't want Heath!

Actually, my "perfect" Ennis would have the same voice and mannerisms from the movie.  Dark hair, facial hair, and over 45 would seal the deal!  ;)

If Jack ages the way he did in the film....he is going to be like George Clooney....the older the better!!!!
PLEASSSSSSSSSSSSSE I pray with all of my heart that he doesn't look anything like George Clooney, I am sorry if I offend anyone, but give jack some credit in the good looks gene pool, as for GC there is nothing sexy nor apealling about the guy, I truly don't get it, give me some Orlando Bloom some Jake Gyllenhaal, some Heath ledger and Ewen Mcgregor, but Clooney, not in my books

Not that he looks anything like George Clooney, my point was he is going to age beautifully....
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #96 on: Feb 25, 2006, 10:01 AM »
Quote from: Rod on Feb 23, 2006, 07:42 PM
If Jack ages the way he did in the film....he is going to be like George Clooney....the older the better!!!!

I'm luvin this way of thinking!!!
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #97 on: Feb 26, 2006, 01:49 PM »
He's just mighty handsome! :D
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #98 on: Mar 02, 2006, 09:34 AM »
Does anyone know where I can get old of this scene?  I love it so much, and am missing Ennis's cute attempts at flirting!   :P
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #99 on: Mar 02, 2006, 11:31 AM »
Quote from: christie wood on Mar 02, 2006, 09:34 AM
Does anyone know where I can get old of this scene?  I love it so much, and am missing Ennis's cute attempts at flirting!   :P

What scene are you talking about christie?
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #100 on: Mar 02, 2006, 04:19 PM »
Quote from: Patriot1 on Mar 02, 2006, 11:31 AM
Quote from: christie wood on Mar 02, 2006, 09:34 AM
Does anyone know where I can get old of this scene?  I love it so much, and am missing Ennis's cute attempts at flirting!   :P

What scene are you talking about christie?


Hi Patriot1

The scene I'm talking about is the one where Ennis and  Jack are around the campfire, talking and getting drunk, and Ennis says "May be you're a sinner....." - it's the scene just before the 1st tent scene.

Hope you - or anyone else - can help!
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #101 on: Mar 02, 2006, 09:22 PM »
Sorry my friends but I had to delete patriot1 post with the link to the scene requested.  This actoin have been discussed with the other moderators ans we all agreed.

If I could kindly remind you we do not accept postings of full scenes from BBM on this forum.  May I suggest you go to this link:

http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=782.0
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #102 on: Mar 02, 2006, 09:55 PM »
Quote from: christie wood on Mar 02, 2006, 04:19 PM
Hi Patriot1

The scene I'm talking about is the one where Ennis and  Jack are around the campfire, talking and getting drunk, and Ennis says "May be you're a sinner....." - it's the scene just before the 1st tent scene.

Hope you - or anyone else - can help!


Sorry christie.  I tried.
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #103 on: Mar 02, 2006, 10:12 PM »
To me it is quite apparrent  that Ennis is saying he's a virgin. Is he flirting? I don't think so, that's just an opinion. Ennis has lived with his sister and brother in a pretty sexually sheltered life. According to Annie in the story he is aware of the dynamics of sex, "nothing he'd done before but no instruction manual needed." Jack I believe has had some kind of experience, and I think it was more than just  the, "I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours" kind. Ennis knows how to spank the monkey, pardon the expression, but that's about it til he meets Jack.
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #104 on: Mar 04, 2006, 08:03 PM »
I think it is absolutely clear that Ennis is a virgin. Thta is what he is saying but if you look at the wink of his eyes and a subtle smile you understand that it might be a kind of subconcious flirtation.
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #105 on: Mar 04, 2006, 08:53 PM »
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I think it is absolutely clear that Ennis is a virgin. Thta is what he is saying but if you look at the wink of his eyes and a subtle smile you understand that it might be a kind of subconcious flirtation.

There is one this we can definitely get out of this scene. Ennis is a young man. Young men do not usually admit they are virgins; especially in 1963.  So, we can definitely see that Ennis is so comfortable with his new friend Jack that he can readily admit to Jack he is a virgin.  The scene shows us just how close the two boys have become.
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #106 on: Mar 04, 2006, 08:59 PM »
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Quote from: Russianman on Mar 04, 2006, 08:03 PM
I think it is absolutely clear that Ennis is a virgin. Thta is what he is saying but if you look at the wink of his eyes and a subtle smile you understand that it might be a kind of subconcious flirtation.

There is one this we can definitely get out of this scene. Ennis is a young man. Young men do not usually admit they are virgins; especially in 1963.  So, we can definitely see that Ennis is so comfortable with his new friend Jack that he can readily admit to Jack he is a virgin.  The scene shows us just how close the two boys have become.


I agree with you on that, Patriot... good logic.
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #107 on: Mar 05, 2006, 01:04 PM »
Well i have read the thread and it makes perfect sense that Ennis was virgin when he met jack probably jack not and more after the four years i don't know but in the story it makes reference that jack had being mounting more than bulls maybe it was meaning that he was a lot experienced that ennis himself and that is why he took the leading role to induce ennis to be with him the first time.
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #108 on: Mar 05, 2006, 02:11 PM »
Quote from: matsuki33 on Mar 05, 2006, 01:04 PM
Well i have read the thread and it makes perfect sense that Ennis was virgin when he met jack probably jack not and more after the four years i don't know but in the story it makes reference that jack had being mounting more than bulls maybe it was meaning that he was a lot experienced that ennis himself and that is why he took the leading role to induce ennis to be with him the first time.

You are right, he did take the lead, but what confuses me is why he did with Ennis's hand what he did.  What on earth made him think a straight, virgin homophobe would go for that on the first night. I could understand it better if it were the other way around.

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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #109 on: Mar 05, 2006, 02:27 PM »
Quote from: frog123 on Feb 05, 2006, 04:42 PM
Quote from: Merags on Feb 05, 2006, 04:32 PM
what is the "What?" scene you guys are talking about?

"What?" scene...Jack tells Ennis that's more you've spoken in 2 weeks...Jack Twist: That's more words than you've spoke in the past two weeks.
Ennis Del Mar: Hell, that's the most I've spoke in a year.

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I realize this was a month ago.. but still i will respond haha.


Yes, I want HEATH sorry froggy. His thing with Michelle is only temporary because he hasn't met me yet :P haha! When he does meet me, the fishing trips will commence :D!  LOL!! ;D
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #110 on: Mar 05, 2006, 02:57 PM »
Quote from: Patriot1 on Mar 05, 2006, 02:11 PM
Quote from: matsuki33 on Mar 05, 2006, 01:04 PM
Well i have read the thread and it makes perfect sense that Ennis was virgin when he met jack probably jack not and more after the four years i don't know but in the story it makes reference that jack had being mounting more than bulls maybe it was meaning that he was a lot experienced that ennis himself and that is why he took the leading role to induce ennis to be with him the first time.

You are right, he did take the lead, but what confuses me is why he did with Ennis's hand what he did.  What on earth made him think a straight, virgin homophobe would go for that on the first night. I could understand it better if it were the other way around.



you have the answer right there virgin, and it was the kind of person that with a couples of whiskey he can influence
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #111 on: Mar 06, 2006, 09:29 AM »

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You are right, he did take the lead, but what confuses me is why he did with Ennis's hand what he did.  What on earth made him think a straight, virgin homophobe would go for that on the first night. I could understand it better if it were the other way around.


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Yeah, this really surprised me.  The only way I could make sense of it was that it was done subconsciously by Jack in his sleep.  I think Jack had been with men before and maybe this was a gesture he had used in the past?                           - Nancy
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #112 on: Mar 15, 2006, 02:01 PM »
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But also says something about his perference, I mean he is engaged at that time to Alma, so why nothing with her? 
;)He's sitting next to Jack, getting a headful of Jack's pheromones every time he breathes.
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #113 on: Mar 15, 2006, 03:24 PM »
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You are right, he did take the lead, but what confuses me is why he did with Ennis's hand what he did.  What on earth made him think a straight, virgin homophobe would go for that on the first night. I could understand it better if it were the other way around.


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Yeah, this really surprised me.  The only way I could make sense of it was that it was done subconsciously by Jack in his sleep.  I think Jack had been with men before and maybe this was a gesture he had used in the past?                           - Nancy

Don't forget, they were both drunk.  Alcohol lowers inhibitions, and they were 19 years old studs.
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #114 on: Mar 15, 2006, 03:39 PM »
"maybe you're a sinner but i ain't yet had the opportunity"

oh i love that quote.. its just so cute. haha. Ennis is definately trying to flirt with Jack at this point and I love it I think its adorable!!


"maybe you're a sinner, but i ain't yet had the opportunity" same here ennis!!  or maybe i did?  does wrestling count? LOL!!
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #115 on: Mar 15, 2006, 03:44 PM »
Like Billy Joel sings..."I'd rather laugh with the sinners than die with the saints..."
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #116 on: Mar 16, 2006, 09:14 AM »
Quote from: Merags on Feb 05, 2006, 04:32 PM
what is the "What?" scene you guys are talking about?

"What?" scene...Jack tells Ennis that's more you've spoken in 2 weeks...Jack Twist: That's more words than you've spoke in the past two weeks.
Ennis Del Mar: Hell, that's the most I've spoke in a year.

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I LOVE ENNIS in this scene:  the way he's talking, holding his cup into his chest like he's embracing it (he wishes it was Jack), the cute little way he looks at Jack and asks, "What?" (as if to say what are you looking at me so intently for - it reminds me of someone fishing for a compliment or an expression of lve/feelings)  HE IS JUST SOOOOO ADORABLE!!!!

I thought when I first saw this that I was in love with Heath, but I realize it is Ennis that I love.  He is just like a lost puppy that you want to take home and SMOTHER with love.                                             - Nancy


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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #117 on: Mar 16, 2006, 09:21 AM »
Am I the only person here who did not think that Ennis was admitting that he was a virgin?  (Although I'm sure he was)  Maybe it's because I am thinking in 2006, but I don't think of sex as a sin.  Ennis always plays by the rules and I thought he was just saying that he had never really done anything wrong??????????

After reading all the posts about this quote, I can understand everyone's thinking but I am still not totally convinced that that is what Ennis meant.                                                  - Nancy
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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #118 on: Mar 16, 2006, 10:55 AM »
Quote from: n061857 on Mar 16, 2006, 09:21 AM
Am I the only person here who did not think that Ennis was admitting that he was a virgin?  (Although I'm sure he was)  Maybe it's because I am thinking in 2006, but I don't think of sex as a sin.  Ennis always plays by the rules and I thought he was just saying that he had never really done anything wrong??????????

After reading all the posts about this quote, I can understand everyone's thinking but I am still not totally convinced that that is what Ennis meant.                                                  - Nancy

After reading your post I watched that segment of the movie several times, read the screenplay and story and I still come away thinking he was referring to having sex out of wedlock.  But, its just how I perceive it.  Could be wrong of course.

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Re: Maybe you're a sinner
« Reply #119 on: Mar 18, 2006, 02:45 AM »
I still am of the opinion that whilst Ennis is saying to Jack he had generally done no wrong in his life, perhaps subconsciously he's telling Jack he's never "sinned" in a sexual way - least of all with a man - and when Jack offers him the drink it's symbolic of being offered temptation.  Ennis is glad of this opportunity and says "thank you".  No co-incidence that the immediate chain of events leading from that bottle of whiskey ends with the two men developing their intimacy considerably.  I honestly believe both boys are sensing a form of electricity between them by that stage.  Ennis is saying he doesn't know if he should act on his desire, Jack's saying "hey lets hasten things up a little". IMHO.
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