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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #30 on: Mar 15, 2006, 10:32 PM »
Sure i'll give a review once i see, though no doubt it will be biased :P
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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #31 on: Mar 15, 2006, 11:20 PM »
Sure i'll give a review once i see, though no doubt it will be biased :P

Don't be please, just be honnest.  Crash is a good movie  :-X Don't throw things at me please

Be somewhere else cham ::)
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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #32 on: Mar 16, 2006, 11:48 AM »
Ok, I will not go see 'that movie", because the topic isn't of interest to me, however, in the name of fair play, I won't bash the heck out of the movie any longer, for the very simple reason, that I will judge a movie that wants to tug at an inner emotion like BBM does, against the standard set by BBM.
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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #33 on: Mar 16, 2006, 12:25 PM »
Could you please post a review?

Charmeau,
It would be good to read others' reviews of this film when they see it, if they see it, so I hope folks will comment after seeing that film.

While not exclusively a review, the following is my take on Crash which I had posted here back just before the Oscars. So sad to have to say.....the worse came true and neither Heath (long shot, but MOST deserving of the 5) nor BBM (shoo in) nor Jake (should have been a shoo in) got the deserved Oscars.

Warning, if you care, SPOILERS for CRASH here.
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Many have commented here on the film "Crash" some saying they hadn't seen it.

I too hadn't seen it, but I thought I'd better see it, if only to prepare myself for the worst regarding this coming Sunday evening and our beloved BBM movie.

Crash is SHOCKING and the area in which it is shocking is blunt spoken RACISM. That shocks. And what is also shocking is that this blunt spoken racism is made by characters who we are also shown are kind and nice people. And the reverse is true too, we see ostensibly good people fight against racism in one scene only to later act racist themselves to tragic ends. And that is why there is this buzz about Crash. The whole point of the movie (not the story line per se) is to bluntly confront the audience with the reality of racism (in LA..in the USA). It makes one very uncomfortable at times, for to watch it, creates the impression of participating in it, and for those of us who believe we are NOT racist, it is an uncomfortable experience.

This then is what all the buzz is about, in my opinion.

And while I think that bluntly dealing with this subject is morally a good for society, the film has to have more to it than that to stand the test of time.

Our BBM also confronts the audience and forces thought. In many ways, especially by most of us here on the boards, we gladly participate, because we know the evil and horror the characters suffer and we participate in sympathy. But for many others who view BBM, and who do NOT come here, ie, who simply went to the movie and did not fall in love, likely of that many, a good percentage felt about homophobic violence while viewing BBM as I did about racism while viewing Crash. And that will have either shaken them awake, or turned them off. If the latter, they will dismiss the movie and TRY to forget it.

Back to Crash. Aside from what I've said about the shock/confrontation content of the film, if one attempts to analyze it objectively from the point of view of a crafted piece of film, it isn't anything new at all. It's an ensemble story of many overlapping individual lives. A technique if not actually invented by Robert Altman, certainly most prominently first used by him successfully in his 1975 film NASHVILLE. Then that technique was new and mesmerizing. That film does stand up to time by the way. I loved it and saw it 5 times in one week back in 1975 and TCM just showed it again recently and it still enthralls me.

Robert Altman is the owner of this technique of many overlapping individual stories in one movie. And he didn't direct Crash. So in a sense Crash is a bit of a rip-off of Altman, although others can certainly use this technique.

What I'm trying to say here, is that IF Crash is the up-setter to BBM, it will NOT be because it is a better film, or because it is an exquisitely crafted film or because it is an inventive film. It will win based mostly on the shock content of being confronted by blatant racism.

The other factor which Crash does have going for it is this: As I said in another post, no matter what is being voted on, people who vote, do NOT (always) vote objectively. In fact they most likely vote subjectively. (like I'll vote for him for US President because he's got a hot looking wife....and the like)

In the case of Crash, it was a HUGE cast, and even though each individual actor consequently had very minimal screen time, each of those many actors have many friends in the industry........by it's cast numbers alone and each of their circles of friends, Crash has a lopsided voting block advantage over all the other films which are nominated.

In the end, I would recommend seeing Crash, but I don't think it stands up to BBM from an objective viewpoint at all for Best Picture. However, that doesn't mean I'm not afraid it may win for subjective reasons. 

And I suppose it is this thinking of mine here stated, which is behind my own personal fervent wish and hope that Heath Ledger will win the Best Actor award for superbly creating,  and biringing living...breathing....lasting...life to Ennis. For while others may argue that BBM is the best picture of the nominations, NO ONE can argue that any of the other performances surpass Heath's.

As I've also said in other posts, three of those nominated Best Actor roles are STUDIED IMPERSONATIONS. If they try to argue that....they are in denial!

 Not me! heheh!


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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #34 on: Mar 16, 2006, 12:45 PM »
Sure i'll give a review once i see, though no doubt it will be biased :P

Don't be please, just be honnest.  Crash is a good movie  :-X Don't throw things at me please

Be somewhere else cham ::)


okay, i will give an honest unbiased review.
however, there is a 200% chance the review will end with

"but Brokeback Mountain, was better"
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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #35 on: Mar 16, 2006, 01:36 PM »
Sure i'll give a review once i see, though no doubt it will be biased :P

Don't be please, just be honnest.  Crash is a good movie  :-X Don't throw things at me please

Be somewhere else cham ::)

No Cham, that's the really sad thing, it is a good movie.  It's not a great movie though, but i did enjoy it, and now it's like
that was taken from me.  But yes, it's an interesting, well acted, provacative movie. IT's not a masterpiece like BMM, and is
 not nearly as remarkable.  But I am a big Don Cheadle fan (speaking of Oscars, I thought he way deserved it more than
Jamie Foxx for Hotel Rwanda, but HOllywood likes these mimicing jobs)  And I thought it was a brave movie to make etc.
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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #36 on: Mar 16, 2006, 05:02 PM »
I wanna see Crash now because of all the fuss.  But guess what!  All out at the video store.  It's funny b/c months ago when it was still out nobody wanted to watch the damn thing.
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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #37 on: Mar 16, 2006, 05:35 PM »
I wanna see Crash now because of all the fuss.  But guess what!  All out at the video store.  It's funny b/c months ago when it was still out nobody wanted to watch the damn thing.

Crash was all out and my video store last weekend as well.

There was only 5 copies avaliable for it though, because its not in high demand :P

Cinderella man had 11 copies avaliable.

It wasnt even nominated for best picture... hahahahaha
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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #38 on: Mar 16, 2006, 05:48 PM »
Now see Cinderella Man was a great movie, I really like it and it reminded people of how bad the depression was.
It's getting to where few people who lived through it are alive.  I lost my parents recently etc.
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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #39 on: Mar 16, 2006, 05:54 PM »
That's why us teacher folk are important...we can keep those era's alive and vibrant!
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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #40 on: Mar 16, 2006, 06:13 PM »
i liked cinderlla man! thats my point, it had more DVDs avaliable for rent than Crash and all 11 DVDs of Cinderella Man were sold out.
I liked Cinderalla man but I cant say it was better than Crash cuz i havent seen it.. though you know im tempted to anyway haha
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« Reply #41 on: Mar 16, 2006, 07:33 PM »
I saw all 5 of the films nominated for 2005.  Here's my opinion of the 5, top down:

1)  Brokeback Mountain  ****

2)  Good Night and Good Luck  ***1/2

3)  Capote ***

4)  Munich ***

5)  Crash  **1/2

I might be just as old as Roger Ebert, but I'm a helluva lot better lookin'!  :P

Seriously, I agree with those that say Crash was the bottom of the heap as far as the 5 nominees.  I think Syriana was better than Crash, too.

Crash wasn't awful, but just not "O-word" caliber (Ethan might be watching).

Good Night and Good Luck is definitely worth your time - atmospheric, intense, wonderfully acted.

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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #42 on: Mar 16, 2006, 07:38 PM »
I saw all 5 of the films nominated for 2005.  Here's my opinion of the 5, top down:

1)  Brokeback Mountain  ****

2)  Good Night and Good Luck  ***1/2

3)  Capote ***

4)  Munich ***

5)  Crash  **1/2

I might be just as old as Roger Ebert, but I'm a helluva lot better lookin'!  :P

Seriously, I agree with those that say Crash was the bottom of the heap as far as the 5 nominees.
I think Syriana was better than Crash, too.  Crash wasn't awful, but just not "O-word" caliber (Ethan might be watching).

Good Night and Good Luck is definitely worth your time - atmospheric, intense, wonderfully acted.

JB  :D

Thanks JB!

About Good Night and Good Luck, they had also the guts to shoot it in black and white wich I guess created that particular atmosphere.

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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #43 on: Mar 16, 2006, 07:45 PM »
i tried not to bash Tcrash but last week i was talking to a friend and he asked me if i saw Tcrash and i said yes and that i didn't like it.. it didn't deserve BP and all that!! u know i don't hate it but i just don't like it.. not my favorite movie and never will!!
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« Reply #44 on: Mar 16, 2006, 07:52 PM »
I saw all 5 of the films nominated for 2005.  Here's my opinion of the 5, top down:

1)  Brokeback Mountain  ****

2)  Good Night and Good Luck  ***1/2

3)  Capote ***

4)  Munich ***

5)  Crash  **1/2

I might be just as old as Roger Ebert, but I'm a helluva lot better lookin'!  :P

Seriously, I agree with those that say Crash was the bottom of the heap as far as the 5 nominees.
I think Syriana was better than Crash, too.  Crash wasn't awful, but just not "O-word" caliber (Ethan might be watching).

Good Night and Good Luck is definitely worth your time - atmospheric, intense, wonderfully acted.

JB  :D

Thanks JB!

About Good Night and Good Luck, they had also the guts to shoot it in black and white wich I guess created that particular atmosphere.



Yeah, cham, the B&W made it feel authentic for the timeframe.  The vehicle for the film was Edward R. Murrow's TV show which WAS in B&W.  I also read that B&W made all of the cigarette smoke film better.  Murrow was ALWAYS shown smoking on TV - which seems VERY odd today.  I loved the movie - tho not as much as BBM.

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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #45 on: Mar 17, 2006, 02:58 PM »
Okay guys.. i rented it

its laying there on the counter... its in my house..

im going to watch it tonight with an open mind i promise.. but im actually scared now.. when i held the DVD case it made me shiver.. ok.. i'll give an honest unbiased review when im done..
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« Reply #46 on: Mar 17, 2006, 03:07 PM »
Okay guys.. i rented it

its laying there on the counter... its in my house..

im going to watch it tonight with an open mind i promise.. but im actually scared now.. when i held the DVD case it made me shiver.. ok.. i'll give an honest unbiased review when im done..

Don't be scared. There is nothing Crash can do to you. That is how *good* it is. Enjoy the movie and looking forward to your review.
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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #47 on: Mar 17, 2006, 04:53 PM »
Exactly!! But!! This sentiment is not only Proulx, it is an industry wide sentiment which was publicly articulated in the weeks and months before the Oscars were even unwrapped, and it continues to inspire heated conversation.  Thus this issue, 'acting' awards, the purpose for which we gather, was and is being talked about openly in artistic circles everywhere.  It is the primary and principled purpose of the Oscars and it is the responsibility of the Academy to preserve its own integrity by insuring that "campaigning" is done with that integrity in mind.  If the Academy can't rely on the integrity of its own members, now 6,000 strong, to vote for nominated films in the manner outlined for them by its own rules and regualtions, then its time to regroup.  Perhaps it is time to reduce the size of the voting body and to discontinue the practice of "campaigning" altogether. 

AMEN Hurleycook!   Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal's performances were the most incredible I've seen on screen, and I think I can safely add EVER.  I've read a lot of things the actors themselves said, and they were always very concerned about making things "real", as was Ang Lee...He told Heath and Jake, if you don't believe, no one else will. They were wonderful!  I swear Heath seemed to disappear into Ennis...he didn't even look like himself.  His body language, facial expressions, and accent were such a believable Ennis.  He lived and breathed the character.   And Jake Gyllenhall's Jack was equally well done.  Everyone always comments on the pain Heath projects as Ennis.  And yes he does.  But to me, Jake takes his character even further.  Over the years I see him become so BEATEN DOWN by Ennis' inability to embrace their love.  Gone is the hopeful, exuberant young man he was.  And it was more than just maturing, his spirit is crushed.

I can understand how you feel about what the academy did to Jake and Heath.  Sometimes I think it hurt US more than it hurt them.  To them there will be other "roles" to play.  But for us there will never be another "Ennis and Jack".

And I feel your pain and anguish in your words.  I hope this forum has brought you some solace.  God bless you.

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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #48 on: Mar 17, 2006, 11:54 PM »
FYI:  " the irony of Hollywood and movie distributors " it has been decided that after the winnings of " Crash " at the Acedemy, that it went ahead in re-showing the movie in local theaters here in Vancouver, see how much cash they can suck out the morons who have yet seen it
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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #49 on: Mar 18, 2006, 12:19 AM »
Okay guys I saw Crash.

I will admit that Crash is not, purely Trash.

It is a good movie not great but good, because it raises awareness of racism and prejudice, which is good because racism is wrong and should not be tolerated. However, do I think that it was a better film than Brokeback Mountain? No, it certainly wasn't but it wasn't horrible and I could see why Academy members chose it instead of Brokeback Mountain because it deals with another type of intolerance that they can deal with. Race used to be a hot issue, not so much anymore and a lot of members could probably relate to this.. sadly, most probably didnt even give BBM a chance because of the same intolerance thats shown in Crash, they're quick to judge others and have preconcieved notions that BBM is wrong and gross, when its the opposite.. so thats why I think Crash won. Did it deserve to win? No. I didn't see all other Best Picture nominees but between Crash and Brokeback Mountain, BBM should have it. The way the story unfolded in Crash actually confused me for a while and I had to ask myself what was going on. At times I thought some things were a little over exaggerated and some things we're plain stupid. The acting was good and two scenes were very emotional that I do like a lot. I am still convinced it is not a better picture than Brokeback Mountain, though I will admit that it is not "Trash."

Brokeback Mountain 5/5 stars

Crash 3/5


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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #50 on: Mar 18, 2006, 01:27 AM »
Okay guys I saw Crash.

I will admit that Crash is not, purely Trash.

It is a good movie not great but good, because it raises awareness of racism and prejudice, which is good because racism is wrong and should not be tolerated. However, do I think that it was a better film than Brokeback Mountain? No, it certainly wasn't but it wasn't horrible and I could see why Academy members chose it instead of Brokeback Mountain because it deals with another type of intolerance that they can deal with. Race used to be a hot issue, not so much anymore and a lot of members could probably relate to this.. sadly, most probably didnt even give BBM a chance because of the same intolerance thats shown in Crash, they're quick to judge others and have preconcieved notions that BBM is wrong and gross, when its the opposite.. so thats why I think Crash won. Did it deserve to win? No. I didn't see all other Best Picture nominees but between Crash and Brokeback Mountain, BBM should have it. The way the story unfolded in Crash actually confused me for a while and I had to ask myself what was going on. At times I thought some things were a little over exaggerated and some things we're plain stupid. The acting was good and two scenes were very emotional that I do like a lot. I am still convinced it is not a better picture than Brokeback Mountain, though I will admit that it is not "Trash."

Brokeback Mountain 5/5 stars

Crash 3/5

Thats my honest review of Crash. 

Glad you saw it Dudester, it's only fair if you're trying to compare it to BBM.  I saw Capote, Good Night and Good Luck and part of Munich and what I saw was good, so out of the five nominated films I'd put Crash at #5 and of course BBM is a solid #1.  In between is Capote, Good Night, and Good Luck and Munich.  I don't slight the actors in Crash, the problem is with the script and the direction and the only person responsible is Paul Haggis. 

Some people have criticized BBM fans for supporting the movie just because it has a gay love theme and not because of the quality of the movie.  That's ironic since Crash supporters always talk about the racism theme in their film and rarely mention acting, cinematography, etc. 

     

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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #51 on: Mar 18, 2006, 01:37 AM »
Some people have criticized BBM fans for supporting the movie just because it has a gay love theme and not because of the quality of the movie.  That's ironic since Crash supporters always talk about the racism theme in their film and rarely mention acting, cinematography, etc. 

hidesert, that is what supporters can all talk about - the subject because it's got nothing else (compared to other movies), no box office and no major awards. Oh, Crash's got Roeper too. I guess that is it. And we all agree that Best Picture should not have anything to do with subject.

On the other hands, BBM fans have a lot to talk about other than the subject. There is no coincidence for a movie to receive so many recognitions but for Crash it was a coincidence at the Oscar. I am not bashing Crash, am I?

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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #52 on: Mar 18, 2006, 08:52 AM »
Yeah I mean we are so biased it won't hold up in court  ;)  But still.  I might rent it again.

 :-X I bought the DVD months ago, previewed copy at 6.95$

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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #53 on: Mar 19, 2006, 02:36 PM »
Not to bash 'Crash", but this is the LA Times review of the movie on May 6, 2005.  The film is a mess and the reviewer points out the film's inconsistencies and its obsession with one subject, racism.  I like her last sentence, "The cast members more than pull their weight, it's just too bad they had to get together for this."


'Crash'[/b]

Racists get equal opportunities to hate in this awkward drama.

By Carina Chocano
Times Staff Writer
May 6, 2005


I'm not sure the best way to kick off a movie that wants to expose the dark heart of the true Los Angeles is to contrast it with "real cities" where "people walk, you brush past people, people bump into you," but that's what writer-director Paul Haggis does in the first few moments of "Crash," a grim, histrionic experiment in vehicular metaphor slaughter.

Graham Waters (Don Cheadle) and Ria (Jennifer Esposito), two detectives in love, are rear-ended on their way to a murder scene, and no sooner has the dazed Graham delivered his soliloquy on urban alienation ("I think we miss that sense of touch so much, we crash into each other just to feel something") Ria and the other driver, a middle-aged Korean woman, start loudly trading racial slurs without even a four-letter preamble. So much for the urban brotherhood of man: In "Crash," there's no getting through a fender bender, casual conversation, business transaction, phone call to mom or naked love romp without someone's ancestry taking a nasty beating.

From here, Haggis, a veteran television writer who wrote the script for "Million Dollar Baby," weaves no fewer than nine sets of characters into a suffocating tangle of ham-fisted ironies and belief-beggaring coincidences designed to reveal the latent racism that festers in the souls of all those who ever laid claim to a 310, 323, 213 or 818 area code. (Yes, you too.) The movie's structure has drawn comparisons to "Short Cuts" and "Magnolia," though it'll feel familiar to anyone who submits to regular cudgelings by "hard-hitting" network TV dramas that wield messages like bludgeons.

Every conflict in "Crash" — even lovers' quarrels — is racially motivated, and having hit on this key to human inhumanity, the director pursues the line with extreme (sorry) prejudice. There may be a million stories in the naked city, but there are something like 20 principal characters in this movie, and they expend 90 minutes of screen time on roughly one topic of conversation.

What really makes you want to screw up your eyes, clap your hands over your ears and belt out a show tune, though, is the nagging feeling that Haggis, a Canadian who has resided in this city for most of his adult life and who suffered a traumatic real-life encounter with a pair of armed carjackers a few years ago, seems to have experienced some misplaced guilt over his lingering low opinion of the gentlemen who took his car, followed by anger at the guilt, more guilt at the anger, and so on. I'm only guessing, of course, but upon meditating on the lives of his assailants — what were they like in their free time, when they weren't sticking guns in people's faces? — the director has written them a funny valentine. They are reborn in his imagination as a couple of charming, clever, philosophical, socially committed young car thieves who, when not busy jacking SUVs, enjoy ice hockey, Merle Haggard and liberating smuggled Asian sweatshop workers into the free market wonderland of downtown L.A.

Anthony (Chris "Ludacris" Bridges) and Peter (Larenz Tate), black men in their 20s, come out of an Italian restaurant in a ritzy neighborhood where Anthony gripes that the black waitress has treated them shabbily. When Peter points out that black men have a reputation for being bad tippers, Anthony confesses that he didn't leave one. This is just the first of about 1 1/2 hours worth of Buddhist conundrums on the nature of racist stereotypes. Anthony, a philosophical sort, sees racism lurking in every corner, even in the gesture of a white woman who takes her husband's arm as they pass.

"We're the only black people surrounded by a sea of over-caffeinated white people and a trigger-happy LAPD," he says. "Why aren't we scared?" It sounds like a good question, until the considerably more chilled-out Peter ripostes with: "Because we have guns?" and within seconds, Jean (Sandra Bullock) and Rick (Brendan Fraser) are scuttling along the sidewalk, having been divested of their Escalade.

If a generalization falls in the forest, and somebody who fits the description confirms it, is it really true? In the case of Rick and Jean, at least, it is. Rick happens to be the district attorney of Los Angeles County, a man apparently incapable of experiencing anything except through the prism of how it will play in the media. After the carjacking, the couple repair home to change the locks and spin the story. Rick frets that being robbed by black men will cost him either the black vote or the law-and-order vote and instructs his aides to locate an African American on whom he can pin a medal. The lonely, bitter, pathologically angry Jean, meanwhile, newly freed from the worry that her racism might have been unfounded, freaks out at the sight of the locksmith, whom she loudly takes for a gang member. Then she snaps at the maid.

It's around this point that the theme of the movie, neatly summarized by one of its characters and encapsulated in the tagline, begins to emerge. "You think you know who you are," the racist cop Officer Ryan (Matt Dillon) tells his green, uninitiated partner. "You have no idea." Actually, in "Crash," you do. Whatever flimsy layers cover the characters' raging 24-hour xenophobia are swept away by the slightest breeze. It's painfully clear to anyone but Jean, for instance, exactly who Jean is. The sensitive, sloe-eyed locksmith, meanwhile, like the warm and friendly domestic, bears his symbolic nobility like a cross. Daniel (Michael Peña) bears Jean's insults silently, then goes home to comfort his traumatized child, who sleeps under the bed for fear of stray bullets. Soon, Daniel and his family will be victimized by a high-strung Persian patriarch, Farhad (Shaun Toub), driven to the edge by constant (and geographically inaccurate) race-baiting.

Add to this daisy chain of bigotry a Korean who sells illegal Thai and Cambodian workers to sweatshops, a black HMO worker who denies coverage to a sick man because the man's son is a racist, a white cop on his third African American murder, and a member of the D.A.'s office who wonders "what it is" with black people who "can't keep their hands out of the cookie jar," and the film's characters stop seeming like they've been culled from a random cross-section of the citizenry so much as cherry-picked from the top of the class at the Pat Buchanan School of International Relations.

The few characters who aren't culprits are victims, the most discouraging among them Cameron (Terrence Howard), a successful black television director. Cameron and his wife, Christine (Thandie Newton), are returning home from an awards show when they're pulled over by Dillon's racist Officer Ryan and his conflicted young partner, Officer Hansen (Ryan Phillippe). Ryan, a virulent racist, humiliates the director and his wife by viciously molesting her under threat of arrest.

At home, the couple implode. After hanging up the phone without reporting the assault ("Do you really think they'll care about what you have to say?" says Cameron), Christine lashes out at her husband. "The closest you ever got to being black was watching 'The Cosby Show,' " she yells. And he: "At least I didn't watch it with the rest of the equestrian team!" Of course, what with all this horseback riding and "Cosby Show" watching, you'd think they'd have a lawyer too. But "Crash" is too heavily invested in the idea of race as class to allow these two even the slightest sense of security, entitlement or surprise at being so crudely mishandled by the establishment of which they are a part. Instead, Cameron quietly unravels as his whole life reveals itself for the sham that it is. Even Tony Danza, who plays an actor on his show, cows him into humiliating a black costar. How's that for rock bottom?

As another critic once said about another movie bearing the same title, " 'Crash' isn't plotted, it's programmed.' " The logarithm is fairly simple: Money plus power plus a pale complexion equals total inhumanity. (Jean learns the hard way that her only friend in the world is the woman who cleans her house.) Power plus pallor minus money fares slightly better. (Ryan's bigotry is motivated by the suffering of his sick father, who lost his janitorial company when the city began giving preferential contracts to minority-owned businesses, and he gets his moment of slo-mo redemption.) Pallor minus power minus money plus small-town idealism (as embodied by Hansen) gets a kick in the head.

Any glimpse of emotional honesty comes courtesy of the actors, who manage to do a credible job despite the material. The smart, sexy spark between Esposito and Cheadle is all but extinguished by the airlessness of the script, and Cheadle manages to squeeze in some quietly affecting moment as the unloved son of a drug-addicted mother. Howard, an actor who radiates intelligence and sensitivity, fills out his maddeningly reductive character as best he can, though he's never given the chance to do anything but react to the trumped-up pressures around him.

Similarly, Newton is never allowed to come down from the ledge of hysteria, just as Bullock is systematically barred from entry into the human race. Tate and Bridges, as the loquacious carjackers, provide the only breath of fresh air in the movie, but given the film's bird's-eye point of view and its pretensions at objectivity, their charm feels assigned at random. The cast members more than pull their weight, it's just too bad they had to get together for this.

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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #54 on: Mar 22, 2006, 12:00 PM »
Okay guys I saw Crash.

I will admit that Crash is not, purely Trash.

It is a good movie not great but good, because it raises awareness of racism and prejudice, which is good because racism is wrong and should not be tolerated. However, do I think that it was a better film than Brokeback Mountain? No, it certainly wasn't but it wasn't horrible and I could see why Academy members chose it instead of Brokeback Mountain because it deals with another type of intolerance that they can deal with. Race used to be a hot issue, not so much anymore and a lot of members could probably relate to this.. sadly, most probably didnt even give BBM a chance because of the same intolerance thats shown in Crash, they're quick to judge others and have preconcieved notions that BBM is wrong and gross, when its the opposite.. so thats why I think Crash won. Did it deserve to win? No. I didn't see all other Best Picture nominees but between Crash and Brokeback Mountain, BBM should have it. The way the story unfolded in Crash actually confused me for a while and I had to ask myself what was going on. At times I thought some things were a little over exaggerated and some things we're plain stupid. The acting was good and two scenes were very emotional that I do like a lot. I am still convinced it is not a better picture than Brokeback Mountain, though I will admit that it is not "Trash."

Brokeback Mountain 5/5 stars

Crash 3/5


Thats my honest review of Crash.

I thank you for this review, and for being honest about it. It was helpful. :)

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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #55 on: Mar 22, 2006, 12:24 PM »
It's funny, I rented Crash on netflix ages ago and looked and I gave it 4/5 stars.  I think it's good, but not great too.
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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #56 on: Mar 22, 2006, 12:42 PM »
Okay guys I saw Crash.

I will admit that Crash is not, purely Trash.

It is a good movie not great but good, because it raises awareness of racism and prejudice, which is good because racism is wrong and should not be tolerated. However, do I think that it was a better film than Brokeback Mountain? No, it certainly wasn't but it wasn't horrible and I could see why Academy members chose it instead of Brokeback Mountain because it deals with another type of intolerance that they can deal with. Race used to be a hot issue, not so much anymore and a lot of members could probably relate to this.. sadly, most probably didnt even give BBM a chance because of the same intolerance thats shown in Crash, they're quick to judge others and have preconcieved notions that BBM is wrong and gross, when its the opposite.. so thats why I think Crash won. Did it deserve to win? No. I didn't see all other Best Picture nominees but between Crash and Brokeback Mountain, BBM should have it. The way the story unfolded in Crash actually confused me for a while and I had to ask myself what was going on. At times I thought some things were a little over exaggerated and some things we're plain stupid. The acting was good and two scenes were very emotional that I do like a lot. I am still convinced it is not a better picture than Brokeback Mountain, though I will admit that it is not "Trash."

Brokeback Mountain 5/5 stars

Crash 3/5


Thats my honest review of Crash.

Thanks for your honnest review Dude.  IMO, if crash got the Oscar it's because the Academy passed some serious message to all the producers.  Crash was filmed in Los Angeles with a Hollywood crew, US money spent in USA.  BBM was filmed in Canada, Hollywood hates loosing money to Canada.  Money talks, bullsh*t walks.
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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #57 on: Mar 30, 2006, 12:21 AM »
I saw Crash 2 days ago... finally... I have wanted to see it for awhile, but I really went to go rent it when it won Best Picture over BBM. I had to "see what all the fuss was about." Of course it was checked out everywhere after that. But i finally got my hands on the copy.

I honestly really liked the movie. It was by no means better than Crash. But the message was great and I liked how the directors and writers chose to deliver that message. I thought it was very unique. I think this movie would be a lot easier for the Academy to stomach than BBM. I am sure those academy members who didn't watch all the films (*cough* buttholes *cough*) definitely watched Crash and cut BBM out. Though both issues are hard to swallow, you can watch a movie about racism no matter what, whether you are racist or not. But if you are a homophobe you are not gonna watch BBM no matter what. Some members of the academy are obviously homophobes. I think that is why Crash one. And they were throwing their movie down the members' throats. But o well I am not saying anything we all don't know... We all know what is the best movie of the two and that is all that matters.  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: LOVE BBM/Don't bash Crash
« Reply #58 on: Apr 12, 2006, 01:01 PM »
I saw Crash again at a friends house the other day, and I did enjoy it.  It has flaws, and I was bored for the first 10 minutes, but then it draws you in.
It to me is more about the emptiness of LA life, and how that adds to racism.  I can see why Academy members might vote for it since they live there.  A sort fo cry for help. 

Another thought I had is Ang made a comment that apparently got him some hot water, when asked if he was concerned about JAke and Heath's careers after Brokeback, he said basically "I don't care, I just want to make a good movie" and I heard someone at SAG got on his case.  It doesn't take much for a ripple effect.
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