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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #90 on: Mar 02, 2006, 02:54 AM »
Nearly 20 years ago I saw the film Maurice  with James Wilby, Hugh Grant and Rupert Graves, As a gay man I identified with the subject matter, but not the time it was set (early 1900's). Like BBm I was sobbing at the end because Grant's character favours respectability over love. The look in his eyes when he realizes what he could have had when he sees the happiness on Maurice's face stayed with me for years. The memories of that movie stayed with me forever , locked up beside me in my closet. I aways considered it ONE of my favourite movies.

The point is that the feelings that BBM instilled in me swamped that of Maurice a hundred times over. If I can still feel like that after 20 years for Maurice, the feelings BBM has gave me will stay with me to the grave.  BBM is not ONE of my favourite movies....it IS my favourite.

So awards or not, who cares. I want it to win everything of course because it will gain a larger audience and create more Brokies, but if it doesn't win it will live on and on more than any film or actor or director etc that may beat it this year.

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I was glad to see this post referring to the film Maurice..that film too struck me hard.

It thrilled me.

It was the first movie I had ever seen wherein there were REAL characters, REAL human beings, who were homosexual, and  NOT caricatures or stereotypes. It knocked me for a loop, and I cherished it. I never did get to see it on the "big" screen, but I owned a copy and watched it in reverent and painful, but at the same time, joyous solitude, or very occasionally with a significant other (who I had deemed worthy enough to share something so special to me, with me.)

Personally, I could relate to the era it was set in, I love Thomas Hardy, and Edith Wharton, and George Elliot, and most 19th century literature so I had no trouble from the period setting in identifying with the characters. But I will say that being a period piece as it is, that does keep it emotionally at more of a remove and thus in the realm of fiction.

Even though our BBM movie/story begins in 1963 and goes to 1983 or so, and in spite of the so-called "pornstache", there is really very little about the film's settings and costuming which keep it from feeling contemporary. The outdoors, the small towns, the old trucks, the western-style clothing, all can be found today in such a mix in many a rural location. So it feels at less of a remove than Maurice did, and more immediate. We can believe that these two guys, and their families, are still living today exactly as we've just seen them. So the pain and sadness and the hate and horror we see and feel is sharper, because it seems like a record of what has just happened.

Anyway, I can go off....and do...analyzing everything so I'll stop...but I was really happy to see you mention Maurice.

Oh would that Ennis had had the awakening that Maurice had, and risked going off to build a life together with Jack, as Maurice and Scudder do!

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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #91 on: Mar 02, 2006, 03:19 AM »


Regarding the Oscars.......

First, there are an awful lot of "mistakes" given Oscars over the years.......films which are not that good....performances which are not that good.....look at any comprehensive list of winners, and if that alone doesn't convince you.....look closer at the NON-winning nominees for some of the years and see whether the right film/actor received the award that year.

All that not withstanding, the Oscars ARE perceived as an affirmation of the highest quality, and the implication is that those who can vote, will cast their vote based on objective assessments of the quality of film/performance. Unfortunately, just as some folks vote for president based on the candidate's physical looks, and not on the political stands the candidate has taken, likewise, many Academy members will vote on impulse, and/or other completely subjective motivations.

So if we win, we will be thrilled to be recognized.....but if we lose.....do not think we have come up short in any way!

(we as a BBM community, I am not involved in the film's production)

Our film is nominated for 8 awards.

Here is an exercise:

If you could ONLY have one BBM connected Oscar win, which Oscar would you chose to win?

It would seem the obvious reaction is Best Picture, but myself, if I could have only the one single win.....I would chose Best Actor for Heath Ledger.

Best Picture is great, but Best Actor....really says something I think. I think it honors the man, and it honors the performance, and it honors the character. I think it would send a more powerful positive message to other actors, and to film industry managers if Heath's performance in this role is recognized. Even more of a positive message than if the film wins Best Picture I think.

I surely surely hope it sweeps all the awards it's been nominated for and truly becomes a phenomenon but I am in nervous jitters over Heath's nomination especially. His youth and relative short body of work so far....these things do enter into the voting members' decision making unfortunately.

And as much as I admire the other nominees as actors...I think three of them who are nominated, gave IMPERSONATIONS, which since they could study films and videos of the actual persons the impersonated, is not worthy of a best actor nomination. Creating the role, inventing the character, bringing that character to living breathing exisitence is acting. Adopting the mannerisms, intonations, and body postures of people by studying them over and over again is not the same at all. It's admirable, and surely not everyone can do it, but I still think it's a heck of a lot easier for a performer to do an imitation then create a role.

Fingers, toes, arms and legs crossed in hope!

What ONE award would you give if you could ONLY give that one award?


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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #92 on: Mar 02, 2006, 09:44 AM »
I agree, if I had to choose one Oscar only, it would be for Heath.  That's where
the biggest award deficiency is now, it seems to me, and as I said before I think
the huge, long spontaneous ovation that would occur would be an historical
Academy Awards moment.

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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #93 on: Mar 02, 2006, 12:28 PM »
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What ONE award would you give if you could ONLY give that one award?

Heath Ledger, Best Actor
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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #94 on: Mar 02, 2006, 12:54 PM »
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What ONE award would you give if you could ONLY give that one award?

Can't it be two? Please? Okay then. *sigh* I'd give it to Jake. I find both performances out of this world, frankly (they were Ennis and Jack). But Jake's the one that moved me the most. Hence, my answer.

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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #95 on: Mar 02, 2006, 01:16 PM »
Richard Roeper (of Ebert and Roeper) said again he predicts a Crash "upset".  I mean it could happen.
I am detaching cause I am not an Oscar fan in general anymore (except when Roberto Bertolini won and jumped over the seats)  So who cares.  But it would be weird.
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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #96 on: Mar 02, 2006, 01:21 PM »
I don't think it will happen. I've not seen Crash, mind you, so what do I know. :P I just think BBM not getting it by now is very much unlikely.

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(except when Roberto Bertolini won and jumped over the seats)

Did you mean Roberto Benigni?

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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #97 on: Mar 02, 2006, 01:24 PM »
Right you got the name right.

Yeah I can't see it happening, I mean BBM has won all major awards.  But Ebert and Roeper really stand by this prediction.
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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #98 on: Mar 02, 2006, 01:31 PM »
Well, if that can make them feel better or something, then good for them. I would call it "wishful thinking" more than "prediction" myself. :P Or most likely it's just a way to put doubt in people's minds and make the whole thing look more exciting.

I'm not really familiar with all this Hollywood stuff and people - who are Ebert and Roeper exactly? Are they experts or something like that?

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« Reply #99 on: Mar 02, 2006, 03:15 PM »
Many have commented here on the film "Crash" some saying they hadn't seen it.

I too hadn't seen it, but I thought I'd better see it, if only to prepare myself for the worst regarding this coming Sunday evening and our beloved BBM movie.

Crash is SHOCKING and the area in which it is shocking is blunt spoken RACISM. That shocks. And what is also shocking is that this blunt spoken racism is made by characters who we are also shown are kind and nice people. And the reverse is true too, we see ostensibly good people fight against racism in one scene only to later act racist themselves to tragic ends. And that is why there is this buzz about Crash. The whole point of the movie (not the story line per se) is to bluntly confront the audience with the reality of racism (in LA..in the USA). It makes one very uncomfortable at times, for to watch it, creates the impression of participating in it, and for those of us who believe we are NOT racist, it is an uncomfortable experience.

This then is what all the buzz is about, in my opinion.

And while I think that bluntly dealing with this subject is morally a good for society, the film has to have more to it than that to stand the test of time.

Our BBM also confronts the audience and forces thought. In many ways, especially by most of us here on the boards, we gladly participate, because we know the evil and horror the characters suffer and we participate in sympathy. But for many others who view BBM, and who do NOT come here, ie, who simply went to the movie and did not fall in love, likely of that many, a good percentage felt about homophobic violence while viewing BBM as I did about racism while viewing Crash. And that will have either shaken them awake, or turned them off. If the latter, they will dismiss the movie and TRY to forget it.

Back to Crash. Aside from what I've said about the shock/confrontation content of the film, if one attempts to analyze it objectively from the point of view of a crafted piece of film, it isn't anything new at all. It's an ensemble story of many overlapping individual lives. A technique if not actually invented by Robert Altman, certainly most prominently first used by him successfully in his 1975 film NASHVILLE. Then that technique was new and mesmerizing. That film does stand up to time by the way. I loved it and saw it 5 times in one week back in 1975 and TCM just showed it again recently and it still enthralls me.

Robert Altman is the owner of this technique of many overlapping individual stories in one movie. And he didn't direct Crash. So in a sense Crash is a bit of a rip-off of Altman, although others can certainly use this technique.

What I'm trying to say here, is that IF Crash is the up-setter to BBM, it will NOT be because it is a better film, or because it is an exquisitely crafted film or because it is an inventive film. It will win based mostly on the shock content of being confronted by blatant racism.

The other factor which Crash does have going for it is this: As I said in another post, no matter what is being voted on, people who vote, do NOT (always) vote objectively. In fact they most likely vote subjectively. (like I'll vote for him for US President because he's got a hot looking wife....and the like)

In the case of Crash, it was a HUGE cast, and even though each individual actor consequently had very minimal screen time, each of those many actors have many friends in the industry........by it's cast numbers alone and each of their circles of friends, Crash has a lopsided voting block advantage over all the other films which are nominated.

In the end, I would recommend seeing Crash, but I don't think it stands up to BBM from an objective viewpoint at all for Best Picture. However, that doesn't mean I'm not afraid it may win for subjective reasons. 

And I suppose it is this thinking of mine here stated, which is behind my own personal fervent wish and hope that Heath Ledger will win the Best Actor award for superbly creating,  and biringing living...breathing....lasting...life to Ennis. For while others may argue that BBM is the best picture of the nominations, NO ONE can argue that any of the other performances surpass Heath's.

As I've also said in other posts, three of those nominated Best Actor roles are STUDIED IMPERSONATIONS. If they try to argue that....they are in denial!

 Not me! heheh!


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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #100 on: Mar 02, 2006, 03:35 PM »
Jack_ME, I thank you for your insight. Having not seen Crash, I couldn't really judge on it, but now I understand better why it's viewed as a serious contender for BBM. With that said, I've planned on watching it since a friend recommended it to me last year. I'll catch it whenever they decide to show it on TV, so I can have my own opinions of it.

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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #101 on: Mar 02, 2006, 06:43 PM »
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And I suppose it is this thinking of mine here stated, which is behind my own personal fervent wish and hope that Heath Ledger will win the Best Actor award for superbly creating,  and biringing living...breathing....lasting...life to Ennis. For while others may argue that BBM is the best picture of the nominations, NO ONE can argue that any of the other performances surpass Heath's.

As I've also said in other posts, three of those nominated Best Actor roles are STUDIED IMPERSONATIONS. If they try to argue that....they are in denial!

 Not me! heheh!


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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #102 on: Mar 02, 2006, 07:58 PM »
SF chronicle predicts Brokeback Win

by Ruth Stein

"Brokeback Mountain" may soon join a distinguished group of best-picture Oscar winners that includes "Lawrence of Arabia," "Casablanca," "Grand Hotel," "The Apartment," "Tom Jones," "Schindler's List" and "Midnight Cowboy." These movies have more in common than holding up admirably over time. They're also fueled by great performances that failed to be recognized with a single Academy Award. Although "Brokeback" scored nominations for best actor and best supporting actor and actress, it doesn't look promising for wins in any of these categories. This is due to heavy competition and also to a desire to spread the bald-headed little gold guys around.

With the sheepherders' love story positioned to take all the other major awards, the only real races are in the acting divisions and between George Clooney and, well, George Clooney. The undisputed winner as best Hollywood schmoozer is up for best director and original screenplay for "Good Night, and Good Luck" and best supporting actor for "Syriana."

Who will leave the Kodak Theatre with a shiny statuette in hand? Here's where I'd put my money.

Best Picture

"Brokeback Mountain," "Capote," "Crash," "Good Night, and Good Luck," "Munich."

Will win: "Brokeback Mountain" is such a sure thing that you can turn off your TV before this final category is announced. Once considered a risk to make because of the gay subject matter, the film has shown that audiences outside of big cities aren't as provincial as Hollywood sometimes thinks. "Brokeback," which could hit the $100 million mark at the box office, deserves all the attention and accolades its getting. I fearlessly predict it will hold its own with the very best of the best picture winners.

Actor

Philip Seymour Hoffman, "Capote"; Terrence Howard, "Hustle & Flow"; Heath Ledger, "Brokeback Mountain"; Joaquin Phoenix, "Walk the Line"; David Strathairn, "Good Night, and Good Luck."

Will win: Hoffman, although it breaks my heart to say so because it's not the way I'd vote. No one can deny that he nailed Truman Capote. Hoffman has the voice, the fluttery mannerisms and the unmistakable air of being Capote. Plus the "Capote" star gained momentum from his Screen Actors Guild and Golden Globes win. But Ledger's is the performance for the ages. He created a character from the inside out and never made a move that didn't seem exactly right. I had almost rationalized that Ledger could come out on top of the vote of the full 5,798 members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences -- a far larger body than those who awarded Hoffman his previous wins. But Ledger didn't help his cause by acting goofy onstage at the SAG awards. He got the giggles reading off the teleprompter. The motion he made with his hand on his hip looked like "some kind of gay spoof" to the Los Angeles Times, to whom Ledger offered an apology. "I've stood like this since I was a kid. It's nerves, I guess," he told the paper. Meanwhile Hoffman has done everything right -- smart acceptance speeches, low-key but active campaigning for the Oscar. And everybody in the business has enormous respect for him.

Actress

Judi Dench, "Mrs. Henderson Presents"; Felicity Huffman, "Transamerica"; Keira Knightley, "Pride & Prejudice"; Charlize Theron, "North County"; Reese Witherspoon, "Walk the Line."

Will win: Witherspoon. Her determined march to the podium of the Kodak seems like the approach her overachieving character in "Election" would have taken. It would be obnoxious except for the fact that Witherspoon deserves the prize. She stole "Walk the Line" from its ostensible star, and her powerful portrayal of June Carter is about the only thing worth remembering from this by-the-numbers biopic. In a weak year for actresses -- you'd have to go back a while to find a strong slate in this category -- Witherspoon's only real competition is Golden Globe winner Huffman, who has Harvey Weinstein working full throttle on her behalf. But it's unlikely he will be able to finagle an Oscar for her as he did for Gwyneth Paltrow, Juliette Binoche and Dame Judi in past races.

Supporting actor

George Clooney, "Syriana"; Matt Dillon, "Crash"; Paul Giamatti, "Cinderella Man"; Jake Gyllenhaal, "Brokeback Mountain"; William Hurt, "A History of Violence."

Will win: Clooney. It's a tight race between Clooney and Giamatti, who won the SAG award and could benefit from the academy wanting to make amends for snubbing him in "Sideways." But academy members are hardly immune to Clooney's charms and will want to give him something, and it isn't going to be the directing prize. This is his best shot. Be aware, however, that the supporting acting categories have a habit of turning up surprise winners. Remember Jim Broadbent and Marcia Gay Harden? So don't rule out Dillon, who has a last-minute surge of interest in "Crash" going for him.

Supporting actress

Amy Adams, "Junebug"; Catherine Keener, "Capote"; Frances McDormand, "North Country"; Rachel Weisz, "The Constant Gardener"; Michelle Williams, "Brokeback Mountain."

Will win: Weisz. I admit that her Golden Globe win surprised me, but when she snagged the SAG award I could see a trend. She is certainly deserving. Her performance was the heart and soul of "The Constant Gardener," another movie that didn't get the recognition it should have from the academy. Having twice gushed on national TV about her love for director Darren Aronofsky, one wonders what she will say about the father of her baby-to-be in her Oscar speech. Because of the quirkiness of this category (see above), there's a chance we may not find out. Her strongest competitor is Williams. But Adams is slowly gaining momentum, and hearing her name called out would register high on the surprise-o-meter.

Director

Ang Lee, "Brokeback Mountain"; Bennett Miller, "Capote"; Paul Haggis, "Crash"; George Clooney, "Good Night, and Good Luck"; Steven Spielberg, "Munich."

Will win: Lee. With the Directors Guild and every other award for which he was eligible competing for space on Lee's mantel, this is more like a coronation than a contest. The best part is that besides being a director of enormous vision Lee is also one of the nicest guys in a business not known for niceness. Look for a much-deserved standing ovation.

Foreign film

"Don't Tell," Italy; "Joyeux Noel," France; "Paradise Now," Palestinian territories; "Sophie Scholl -- The Final Days," Germany; "Tsotsi," South Africa.

Will win: "Tsotsi." As the recipient of audience awards at the Toronto, Edinburgh and Los Angeles film festivals, the South African entry (opening in the Bay Area on March 10) is a known crowd pleaser. Based on a book by the esteemed playwright Athol Fugard, it also has an impressive pedigree. The film's main competitor is "Paradise Now," which is embroiled in a controversy that could hurt its chances. Jewish organizations and diplomats from Israel are lobbying for it not to be considered as coming from "Palestine" on the grounds that the Palestinian Authority is not yet a state.

Adapted screenplay

Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana, "Brokeback Mountain"; Dan Futterman, "Capote"; Jeffrey Caine, "The Constant Gardener"; Josh Olson, "A History of Violence"; Tony Kushner and Eric Roth, "Munich."

Will win: McMurtry and Ossana. The two took a short story -- admittedly a very good short story -- and fleshed it out into an unforgettable saga of lost love. What's impressive about the list of nominees is that in another year any of them could have won and would have deserved to. That's something to hang on to in a time when the writing in most screenplays is so pedestrian.

Original screenplay

Paul Haggis and Bobby Moresco, "Crash"; George Clooney and Grant Heslov, "Good Night, and Good Luck"; Woody Allen, "Match Point"; Noah Baumbach, "The Squid and the Whale"; Stephen Gaghan, "Syriana."

Will win: Haggis and Moresco. This is a tough call because of the Clooney factor. But as good as "Good Night, and Good Luck" is, much of it is taken from real-life transcripts from the 1950s, while "Crash" is startlingly original.

For a complete list of my Oscar predictions, check the ballot in Datebook on Sunday.

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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #103 on: Mar 02, 2006, 08:08 PM »
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Will win: "Brokeback Mountain" is such a sure thing that you can turn off your TV before this final category is announced.
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Thanks, Toadily for posting this. This is the quote I like the most. However, I will be left disappointed if BBM doesn't get any acting award.
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« Reply #104 on: Mar 02, 2006, 10:26 PM »
I know but we may have to accept that.  But to be in the company of Casablanca for gosh sakes.  And Lawrence or Arabia?
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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #105 on: Mar 02, 2006, 10:38 PM »
I know but we may have to accept that.  But to be in the company of Casablanca for gosh sakes.  And Lawrence or Arabia?

Well..that slightly makes me feel better if it does happen. Hopefully, it is not in the league of Titanic or TLOR.
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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #106 on: Mar 02, 2006, 10:39 PM »
I know but we may have to accept that.  But to be in the company of Casablanca for gosh sakes.  And Lawrence or Arabia?


They are milestones in Movie history... who recall the winners from those years?

Brokeback Mountain is a milestone too and also already a great classic, IMO the first classic of this century.

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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #107 on: Mar 02, 2006, 10:49 PM »
Brokeback Mountain is a milestone too and also already a great classic, IMO the first classic of this century.

I agree completely.  BBM has set a really high bar for future dramas.
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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #108 on: Mar 02, 2006, 10:50 PM »
I love OToole, in fact I have "My Favorite Year" on video and it's a fav-won't even start about Lawrence.  And the man never won an Oscar.  Oscar is a mistress of fleeting interests. I really don't care too much about them anymore like I said, but I will watch to root on Brokeback.
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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #109 on: Mar 02, 2006, 10:53 PM »
Brokeback Mountain is a milestone too and also already a great classic, IMO the first classic of this century.

I agree completely.  BBM has set a really high bar for future dramas.

Yep and that story matters, and one can be thoughtful with a movie and still make money.
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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #110 on: Mar 02, 2006, 11:20 PM »
Well, if Brokeback Mountain doesn't win.

The start of World War III is an option.

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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #111 on: Mar 03, 2006, 01:21 AM »
Well, if Brokeback Mountain doesn't win.

The start of World War III is an option.

Brokies Vs. The Acadamy.


*their numbers versus ours* HAH we got them good.. hahahah

Clever!! ;D ;D
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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #112 on: Mar 03, 2006, 03:49 AM »
>:Life will go on............and those of us who's lives were touched & changed by BBM will go on!!!  Stronger in our convictions, happier in our lives, and more confident in ourselves.   Brokeback Mountain is a cultural phenomena...........it might not be recognized now....... but will take it's appropriate place in cinematic history!!!!

Of course you are correct.  Life will go on.  Politics is in everything...government...the office..etc. and the awards committees are no different.  I am hoping for the best with Oscar but, if it doesn't happen, well, we have all seen a remarkable movie that has indeed touched or lives and hearts and will live there forever.  Who knows, it may even have had some effect on society.
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NYT predictions Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #113 on: Mar 03, 2006, 10:28 AM »

NOTE: Bagger is this guy's pick.

New York Times
March 3, 2006
One Last Best Shot at Calling the Oscars
By DAVID CARR

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/03/movies/redcarpet/03pool.html?_r=1&th=&oref=slogin&emc=th&pagewanted=print


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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #114 on: Mar 03, 2006, 12:23 PM »
Wow, oh they got trouble, with a captial T and that rhymns with....

Crash" producer sues Oscars for recognition
Reuters - Mar 02, 04:02

A producer of Oscar-nominated "Crash" has sued the Academy Awards and a key producers' group in a new round in Hollywood's battle over who gets film production credits during Oscar season.

Bob Yari, whose company put up money to make the race- relations drama competing for this year's best film, filed suit on Wednesday against the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and the Producers Guild of America.

It accuses them of illegally denying him the chance to take a credit at Sunday's Oscars for making "Crash."

In a separate action a day earlier, Yari was sued by former business partners Cathy Schulman and Tom Nunan, who alleged he failed to pay them more than $2 million in "Crash" fees and bonuses.

The legal action, coming after months of wrangling between Yari and Schulman, was taken in Los Angeles Superior Court shortly after Oscar ballots were due in, meaning it would have no impact on voting for the movie industry's top awards.

But the lawsuits bring up an issue that has burdened Oscar organizers in recent years as movies have become more expensive and required more producers -- the people who raise money and organize the moviemaking process.

The growing number of producers has caused a problem for the Academy because it often must give out many awards for only one movie. But producers like Yari argue the lack of an award robs them of industry recognition and financial gain.

For last year's Oscars, the Academy deemed that no more than three producers would be eligible to receive the Oscar, which raised a furor over several films, including "The Aviator" and best-film winner "Million Dollar Baby."

This year, the Academy and the Producers Guild, an association that represents Hollywood producers, agreed on a system to determine producer eligibility for awards. Yari's suit called the system "patently unfair."

"It never reveals who makes its awards-crediting decisions, what evidence is considered, or the basis on which a producer's application for award credit is rejected. That alone is a violation of the law," the lawsuit said.

George Hedges, a lawyer for the Producers Guild, called the suit's premise "bogus" and said "credit determinations are made on a confidential basis because people are afraid to step forward and tell the truth because of retaliation. ... That is the norm. That is the standard in the industry."

A member of the Producers Guild's determination committee might not want to be known, for instance, because he or she may need the spurned producer for a future job. Hedges said the Writers Guild of America used a similar system for writing.

An Academy spokesman declined comment.
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Re: What if the unthinkable happens?
« Reply #115 on: Mar 03, 2006, 01:48 PM »
Wow, oh they got trouble, with a captial T and that rhymns with....

"Crash" producer sues Oscars for recognition" 

You're right, troubles in "River City".   Interesting that they waited until Oscar voting was over before they filed these law suits.