Author Topic: Jack's coat (Read 85584 times)

chameau · « **Reply #90 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 12:03 PM »

Friends you keep being off topic, if you want to discuss about the shirts, there are the threads, thank you

Shirts - why at Jack's parents?

http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=2216.0

Until the shirts

http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=1184.0

Shirts

http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=1049.0

Shirts - Possible spoiler

http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=669.0

Patriot1 · « **Reply #91 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 12:07 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Mar 22, 2006, 08:17 AM

Jack seemed to have kept all his BBM clothes intact -- in the closet. The coat being one of the items left there, it seems. Did he ever use them again? I wonder...

tpe, the coat wasn't in the closet when Ennis was there.

tpe · « **Reply #92 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 01:14 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Mar 22, 2006, 12:07 PM

Quote from: tpe on Mar 22, 2006, 08:17 AM
Jack seemed to have kept all his BBM clothes intact -- in the closet. The coat being one of the items left there, it seems. Did he ever use them again? I wonder...

tpe, the coat wasn't in the closet when Ennis was there.

I re-read the first posts referring to discussion about whether the coat was there. Only remembering the collar of the coat during the flashback scene, it is perhaps easy to mistake it as one of the coats in the closet (with a similar collar?)

I shall have to look at this on my next viewing. But I shall trust you in this. Thanks.

Patriot1 · « **Reply #93 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 01:25 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Mar 22, 2006, 01:14 PM

Quote from: Patriot1 on Mar 22, 2006, 12:07 PM
Quote from: tpe on Mar 22, 2006, 08:17 AM
Jack seemed to have kept all his BBM clothes intact -- in the closet. The coat being one of the items left there, it seems. Did he ever use them again? I wonder...

tpe, the coat wasn't in the closet when Ennis was there.

I re-read the first posts referring to discussion about whether the coat was there. Only remembering the collar of the coat during the flashback scene, it is perhaps easy to mistake it as one of the coats in the closet (with a similar collar?)

I shall have to look at this on my next viewing. But I shall trust you in this. Thanks.

Great Scott! Don't trust me...trust the picture.

tpe · « **Reply #94 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 01:33 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Mar 22, 2006, 01:25 PM

Great Scott! Don't trust me...trust the picture.

Sorry Patriot1, I'll have to trust you as I can't see the pic.

Patriot1 · « **Reply #95 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 02:45 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Mar 22, 2006, 01:33 PM

Quote from: Patriot1 on Mar 22, 2006, 01:25 PM
Great Scott! Don't trust me...trust the picture.

Sorry Patriot1, I'll have to trust you as I can't see the pic.

You can't? Why not? Am I doing it wrong!?

tpe · « **Reply #96 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 02:53 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Mar 22, 2006, 02:45 PM

You can't? Why not? Am I doing it wrong!?

Patriot1, not your fault. Something is probably blocking on my side. I would definitely trust you on this one. Thanks.

The coats in the closet were most likely used whenever Jack was at home. But none of them looked like his Texas apparel/coats, it seems to me. Do you agree on this one?

Patriot1 · « **Reply #97 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 03:07 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Mar 22, 2006, 02:53 PM

Quote from: Patriot1 on Mar 22, 2006, 02:45 PM
You can't? Why not? Am I doing it wrong!?

Patriot1, not your fault. Something is probably blocking on my side. I would definitely trust you on this one. Thanks.

The coats in the closet were most likely used whenever Jack was at home. But none of them looked like his Texas apparel/coats, it seems to me. Do you agree on this one?

Absolutely. There are definitely no Texas clothes in the closet.

There are 2 pair of pressed denim pants, a red, black and white plaid coat, a denim coat that seems to have a sheep skin lining and another solid color coat, not the green plaid he wore on the mountain. Then there is the pair of boots that Ennis seemed to recall jack wearing that summer and of course the two shirts. But the shirts are of course hidden from easy view.

Do you mean you can not see any pictures on the forum? That is AWFUL!!! Or is it just pictures that are stored on certain web sites? If that is the case I want to change the site I store mine on. What site can you see the pics?

tpe · « **Reply #98 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 03:17 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Mar 22, 2006, 03:07 PM

Quote from: tpe on Mar 22, 2006, 02:53 PM
Quote from: Patriot1 on Mar 22, 2006, 02:45 PM
You can't? Why not? Am I doing it wrong!?

Patriot1, not your fault. Something is probably blocking on my side. I would definitely trust you on this one. Thanks.

The coats in the closet were most likely used whenever Jack was at home. But none of them looked like his Texas apparel/coats, it seems to me. Do you agree on this one?

Absolutely. There are definitely no Texas clothes in the closet.

There are 2 pair of pressed denim pants, a red, black and white plaid coat, a denim coat that seems to have a sheep skin lining and another solid color coat, not the green plaid he wore on the mountain. Then there is the pair of boots that Ennis seemed to recall jack wearing that summer and of course the two shirts. But the shirts are of course hidden from easy view.

Do you mean you can not see any pictures on the forum? That is AWFUL!!! Or is it just pictures that are stored on certain web sites? If that is the case I want to change the site I store mine on. What site can you see the pics?

Hi Patriot1. I can see most pics, but you are probably right: I can't see some pix because certain websites are being blocked (for example, I can't access yahoo from where I am right now). What is blocked and not blocked is decided for me by a most judicious department, whose wisdom I don't expect to try to learn deeply.

The reason why I brought up the clothes not being Texas aparrel: they were probably old clothes that Jack used at home -- or clothes he bought locally during the trips to home. The style of clothing is rather similar for the BBM clothing, it seems -- particucarly the coats. It would seem to me that they could very well be old clothes/coats that he never used later in life (not local ones bought during trips to home -- I expect he would use any Texas clothing that he brought along.) In which case, when Ennis discovered them after Jack's death, they were probably already quite removed from the physical person of Jack.

christie wood · « **Reply #99 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 04:59 PM »

I think we need to bring this thread back to the original topic, otherwise we will be in serious trouble!! I know it's easy to go off topic, and I'm usually the one going off!

Can anyone now clarify if Jack's coat WAS in the closet or not? I'm kind of confused and would like to know. If so, it would make sense, because it seems Jack stored all his Brokeback clothes there over the years.....hidden away from Lureen and kept there so Jack could see them, feel them, touch them every time he spent time at his parents (which seemed to be at the end of every fishing trip with Ennis).

It was his own little shrine to Brokeback, and Ennis...

aimi15 · « **Reply #100 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 05:03 PM »

I've just had a little play with the photo of the coats (seen above). I can see a sheepskin collar and i was hoping this was THE coat, but to me it looks more like a denim coat.

Patriot1 · « **Reply #101 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 05:09 PM »

Quote from: christie wood on Mar 22, 2006, 04:59 PM

Can anyone now clarify if Jack's coat WAS in the closet or not? I'm kind of confused and would like to know.

You can't see the picture either???

There is NO green coat in the closet.

Patriot1 · « **Reply #102 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 05:10 PM »

Quote from: christie wood on Mar 22, 2006, 04:59 PM

Can anyone now clarify if Jack's coat WAS in the closet or not? I'm kind of confused and would like to know.

You can't see the picture either???

There is NO green coat in the closet.

aimi15 · « **Reply #103 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 05:10 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Mar 22, 2006, 05:09 PM

Quote from: christie wood on Mar 22, 2006, 04:59 PM
Can anyone now clarify if Jack's coat WAS in the closet or not? I'm kind of confused and would like to know.

You can't see the picture either???

There is NO green coat in the closet.

I'm in agreement, although i keep staring at the pic you posted hoping it will appear there....

Patriot1 · « **Reply #104 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 05:12 PM »

Quote from: aimi15 on Mar 22, 2006, 05:10 PM

Quote from: Patriot1 on Mar 22, 2006, 05:09 PM
Quote from: christie wood on Mar 22, 2006, 04:59 PM
Can anyone now clarify if Jack's coat WAS in the closet or not? I'm kind of confused and would like to know.

You can't see the picture either???

There is NO green coat in the closet.

I'm in agreement, although i keep staring at the pic you posted hoping it will appear there....

Ha ha ha, Yes, I know what you mean. Only with me I keep hoping I will see Jack there for Ennis. Alas, neither is to be.

jerasjr · « **Reply #105 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 05:16 PM »

There is a good article about the clothes in BBM..it is called "Brokeback"clothing speaks louder than words. Now don't ask where I found it, on this site for sure, but it is there.

One thing the costumer said was that "The shoulder was much higher, and the armholes were tighter. The shirts were more constricted." and "everything worn by cowboys and ranchers has a meaning and a cultural reference." In the book there is a description of some of the things that Ennis found in the closet. Whether the jacket you are spaking about was there, I'm not sue.

aimi15 · « **Reply #106 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 05:19 PM »

http://stylescenes.latimes.com/fashion/2006/01/brokeback_cloth.html#more

Stephen · « **Reply #107 on:** Mar 23, 2006, 07:42 AM »

Thank you so much, aimi, for the site on the clothing! I'd missed that completely; it's a very interesting article!

n061857 · « **Reply #108 on:** Mar 23, 2006, 07:57 AM »

Yeah, thanks Aimee. I thought it was interesting in its distinction between the character's jeams. I had noticed that Ennis wore Levi's and Jack wore Wranglers. I thought it was because Wrangler was a newer brand and Ennis wouldn't have anything new. According to that article, cowboys wore tighter fitting Wranglers and ranchers wore looser fitting Levi's. I don't quite know the definition of cowboy vs. rancher. I guess they mean rodeo cowboy? I horseback riding and I find it uncomfortable to ride in loose fiting pants (they rub), particularly if you are doing anything more than walking along on your horse. So, I guess that is why Jack is wearing tighter jeans. I don't hear any complaints now, do I? Sure wish they would have tightened up Ennis's jeans! Ha! I had also noticed the difference in the hat styles, which the author said was a regional thing. Thanks again. - Nancy

Stephen · « **Reply #109 on:** Mar 23, 2006, 08:04 AM »

Thanks for your post, Nancy; I think traditional "cowboys" refers to those who manage cattle, while ranch hands ( Jack and Ennis) will do just about anything for work: sheep, tilling the land, barn mending etc. Annie Proulx says that cattle men looked down on sheep herders, and in the old west there used to be land wars between the two. Does anybody here have more info. on the subject and its connection to Jack's coat and other clothing?

jerasjr · « **Reply #110 on:** Mar 23, 2006, 08:04 AM »

Yes aimi15 thanks for the thread on clothing, i didn't remember where it was, but you came to the rescue.

bram · « **Reply #111 on:** Mar 23, 2006, 08:12 AM »

Quote from: n061857 on Mar 23, 2006, 07:57 AM

I horseback riding and I find it uncomfortable to ride in loose fiting pants (they rub), particularly if you are doing anything more than walking along on your horse. So, I guess that is why Jack is wearing tighter jeans.

I didn't know that it's uncomfortable to wear looser pants while riding a horse. I mean, I always knew that rodeo cowboys wear Wranglers. Living in Texas, you have to live under a rock to not know that. I also knew about the Levi's, because of the same reason. I wear Levi's, because they serve me well. I'm not a rancher by any stretch of the imagination, but they work very well for outdoor work. They also last longer. I also knew about the hats. Texas hats are much larger, because everything is bigger in Texas.

n061857 · « **Reply #112 on:** Mar 23, 2006, 08:37 AM »

Hi Bram, Yeah, the loose pants kind of rub against your legs, not comfortable at all. However, it's hard to get into the saddle when your pants are too tight. Hence, the new creation stretch jeans! Wonderful for riding. I', like you prefer Levis to Wrangler, better quality. Never liked the wrangler style. Off the subject...sorry.

Thanks, Stephen, for the distinction between cowboys and ranchers.

Anyone know what a roughneck is?

-Nancy

bram · « **Reply #113 on:** Mar 23, 2006, 08:44 AM »

Quote from: n061857 on Mar 23, 2006, 08:37 AM

Anyone know what a roughneck is?

-Nancy

Roughnecks work on oil rigs. That's what it means down here, at least. I've had a couple of friends that did oil rig work. You go out and work for like four months and come home with $60,000. My friends just did it when they were in a real bind, but they met guys who had been doing it their whole lives. Those guys were roughnecks.

n061857 · « **Reply #114 on:** Mar 23, 2006, 08:53 AM »

Thanks, Bram. Can you tell I"m a New Yorker? Ha! - Nancy

sam · « **Reply #115 on:** Mar 23, 2006, 10:58 AM »

I didn't see Jack's green coat in the closet. I don't think it was there.

About the difference between "cowboys" and "ranchers": Here's a tidbit on what Annie Proulx has said in an interview:

Interviewer: I think it's clear to anyone who reads "Brokeback Mountain" that above all it's a wrenching, starcrossed love story. It is about two cowboys, but it seems inaccurate to call it gay literature.

Annie Proulx: Excuse me, but it is NOT a story about "two cowboys." It is a story about two inarticulate, confused Wyoming ranch kids in 1963 who have left home and who find themselves in a personal sexual situation they did not expect, understand nor can manage. The only work they find is herding sheep for a summer some cowboys! Yet both are beguiled by the cowboy myth, as are most people who live in the state, and Ennis tries to be one but never gets beyond ranch hand work; Jack settles on rodeo as an expression of the Western ideal. It more or less works for him until he becomes a tractor salesman.

sam

bram · « **Reply #116 on:** Mar 23, 2006, 12:05 PM »

Well, cowboy doesn't really mean what it used to. It's more like an umbrella term for anyone that does ranch work, or rodeo, or really anything that requires handling livestock on a regular basis. They could both fall under cowboy now, but really Ennis is a ranch hand and Jack is a kicker.

lightnin flat · « **Reply #117 on:** Aug 28, 2007, 07:02 AM »

does anyone love jacks green coat he wore on the mountain in 1963 as much as me .
i would love that coat.

tpe · « **Reply #118 on:** Aug 28, 2007, 07:08 AM »

lightnin flat,

Jennis, a dear friend and member here who has stopped coming after a personal loss, was helping me trace the whereabouts of this coat. She loved this coat most especially and was desirous of researching what had become of it. The last we knew several months back was that it has not surfaced in any of the BBM auctions.

lightnin flat · « **Reply #119 on:** Aug 28, 2007, 07:25 AM »

tpe

sorry to hear of your friends personall loss.
that coat is in a lot of key scenes in the first part of the film .also towards the end of the film when ennis embraces jack when jack is thinking back 20years.
thank you for the information didnt know they auctioned the stuff from the film.