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little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« on: Jan 01, 2006, 06:11 PM »
Have read the short story - god knows how many times - and when Annie Proulx writes that Ennis calls Jack " little darlin' " I get  butterflies in my stomach!! Everytime..i can't help it!

But it is not in the movie, is it?
Do you think they have filmed another version as well? one that includes "little darlin' "!

I can dream...hope even!

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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #1 on: Jan 01, 2006, 08:47 PM »
I love that line!
*sigh* i wish they included it
i am making all my future boyfriends call me that:D
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #2 on: Jan 01, 2006, 11:35 PM »
Frog123,

A very good poster over at the IMDB board explained why this really couldn't be in the movie, as follows: the all-knowing narrative point of view in the story tells you that Ennis only said that to his horses and his daughters, the implication being he only said it to people/animals that he really truly loved.  This would have been difficult, if not impossible, to exposit in the film and the line probably would have created more giggles (for mainstream US audiences) then advanced the story.
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #3 on: Jan 01, 2006, 11:39 PM »
Quote from: borger1582 on Jan 01, 2006, 11:35 PM
Frog123,

A very good poster over at the IMDB board explained why this really couldn't be in the movie, as follows: the all-knowing narrative point of view in the story tells you that Ennis only said that to his horses and his daughters, the implication being he only said it to people/animals that he really truly loved.  This would have been difficult, if not impossible, to exposit in the film and the line probably would have created more giggles (for mainstream US audiences) then advanced the story.


aaahhhhhhh...Yeah, good explanation indeed...Thankx

Though i really don't understand why it isn't compulsory to read the short story before watching the movie...LOL...kiddin' of course!
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #4 on: Jan 05, 2006, 02:57 PM »
That line reads great in the book, but I'm glad they didn't include it in the film. It would have been hokey, and the fact that Ennis says all he needs with his eyes/lips is good enough for me.
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #5 on: Jan 05, 2006, 02:59 PM »
right it wouldn't have worked on screen, we need to know it's his endearment in general.
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #6 on: Jan 05, 2006, 03:21 PM »
Something that just struck me today.  Over on the IMDB board, we were discussing the lack of verbal affection Ennis shows for Jack as compared to the short story, and bemoaning its absence.  However, I think I am not letting the film tell its story when I ignore things such as the following:

When Jack and Ennis go up to the mountains immediately after the motel encounter during their fourth year reunion, Jack asks Ennis, "Anything interesting up there in heaven?"  And Ennis replies, "I was just sending up a prayer of thanks."  Which of course ends in the joke about the harmonica - but for the film that's Ennis' way of telling Jack he's glad they've found one another again.

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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #7 on: Jan 05, 2006, 03:24 PM »
Quote from: borger1582 on Jan 05, 2006, 03:21 PM
Something that just struck me today.  Over on the IMDB board, we were discussing the lack of verbal affection Ennis shows for Jack as compared to the short story, and bemoaning its absence.  However, I think I am not letting the film tell its story when I ignore things such as the following:

When Jack and Ennis go up to the mountains immediately after the motel encounter during their fourth year reunion, Jack asks Ennis, "Anything interesting up there in heaven?"  And Ennis replies, "I was just sending up a prayer of thanks."  Which of course ends in the joke about the harmonica - but for the film that's Ennis' way of telling Jack he's glad they've found one another again.

Nice..i like that!
I cannot wait to see Heath portraying Ennis..his eyes, his facial expressions...*sigh*
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #8 on: Jan 06, 2006, 11:20 PM »
We may get to hear Ennis say Little Darling to Jack on the DVD maybe---I think Ledger and Ang Lee could make any dialog work truly. Furthermore, the idea of one man singing a lullaby to another man on screen (the flashback during the last scene with our heroes together) is really groundbreaking...this lullabymay be the only memory Ennis may have had of being loved as a child---which he repeats with love to Jack on BMM. That was stunning to me. What a film.
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #9 on: Jan 06, 2006, 11:31 PM »
Never heard that line from the film...but need to see it again.  Froggie, I sent you some repplies on allocine.fr forum.  You are the one who brougth me to this forum.  Merci, merci, merci, merci, did I said Thank you?  MERCI ENCORE!

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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #10 on: Jan 06, 2006, 11:52 PM »
Brokeback.. Chameau again, how did I do this!  Me again.. might go to sleep.
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 01, 2006, 08:13 PM »
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #12 on: Feb 02, 2006, 06:14 PM »
Quote from: ethan on Feb 01, 2006, 08:13 PM

Thank you..I love this line..so much "meaning" in just a couple of words! *sigh*
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #13 on: Feb 02, 2006, 06:21 PM »
Guesss?

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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #14 on: Feb 02, 2006, 06:27 PM »
Have I missed something ?  This line is not in the movie is it ?
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #15 on: Feb 02, 2006, 06:31 PM »
I's in the short story only.
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #16 on: Feb 02, 2006, 07:14 PM »
oops..I type too fast...yeah it's not in movie but short story! It's one of my favourites!
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #17 on: Feb 02, 2006, 07:19 PM »
Quote from: ethan on Feb 01, 2006, 08:13 PM

Someone should market
 Little Darlin' Tooth Paste
with this picture on the box
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #18 on: Feb 02, 2006, 07:20 PM »
oh, I would buy that.  I melted when I read that in the story.
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #19 on: Feb 02, 2006, 07:21 PM »
Quote from: jimnick on Feb 02, 2006, 07:19 PM
Quote from: ethan on Feb 01, 2006, 08:13 PM

Someone should market
 Little Darlin' Tooth Paste
with this picture on the box
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Mah Gawd!

Jim you're killing me!  ;D

They would sell tons in Montreal's gay Village
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #20 on: Feb 02, 2006, 07:25 PM »
I've reduced picture size ,for scrolling!
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« Reply #21 on: Feb 02, 2006, 07:26 PM »
Quote from: frog123 on Feb 02, 2006, 07:25 PM
I've reduced picture size ,for scrolling!

Yup, we could hardly read the lines now.  ::)
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #22 on: Feb 02, 2006, 07:30 PM »
Quote from: chameau on Feb 02, 2006, 07:26 PM
Quote from: frog123 on Feb 02, 2006, 07:25 PM
I've reduced picture size ,for scrolling!

Yup, we could hardly read the lines now.  ::)

Oy! the original is still there mister!!!! :P
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #23 on: Feb 02, 2006, 07:45 PM »
Sure I miss Ennis whispering -little darlin'- to Jack...(with Heath Ledger's voice...ouahhh)
Option 1:  Let's say he does... just while we see Alma looking them down! Too bad for us  :o
Option 2:  But if we can't hear it...we've got to stand it :D :D

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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #24 on: Feb 02, 2006, 07:47 PM »
Quote from: Pierre on Feb 02, 2006, 07:45 PM
Option 2:  But if we can't hear it...we've got to stand it :D :D

 ;) Good one!
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #25 on: Feb 02, 2006, 07:47 PM »
Quote from: Pierre on Feb 02, 2006, 07:45 PM
Sure I miss Ennis whispering -little darlin'- to Jack...(with Heath Ledger's voice...ouahhh)
Option 1:  Let's say he does... just while we see Alma looking them down! Too bad for us  :o
Option 2:  But if we can't hear it...we've got to stand it :D :D



Ha ha, yeah we gotta stand it, Ang or the screen writers took it out it seems!
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #26 on: Feb 02, 2006, 10:31 PM »
Quote from: frog123 on Feb 02, 2006, 07:30 PM
Quote from: chameau on Feb 02, 2006, 07:26 PM
Quote from: frog123 on Feb 02, 2006, 07:25 PM
I've reduced picture size ,for scrolling!

Yup, we could hardly read the lines now.  ::)

Oy! the original is still there mister!!!! :P

Ooopse, stupid chameau I am!  :P
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #27 on: Feb 03, 2006, 04:06 PM »
Quote from: frog123 on Jan 01, 2006, 06:11 PM
Have read the short story - god knows how many times - and when Annie Proulx writes that Ennis calls Jack " little darlin' " I get  butterflies in my stomach!! Everytime..i can't help it!

But it is not in the movie, is it?
Do you think they have filmed another version as well? one that includes "little darlin' "!

I can dream...hope even!

Maybe it will be on the DVD as a deleted scene or an outtake - I sure hope so.
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« Reply #28 on: Feb 03, 2006, 04:08 PM »
Quote from: ethan on Feb 01, 2006, 08:13 PM


Ethan, ur killin me - I think this was the most beautifully erotic passage in the whole short story!
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Re: little darlin' - possible spoiler!
« Reply #29 on: Feb 03, 2006, 04:10 PM »
Quote from: JerBear418720 on Feb 03, 2006, 04:08 PM
Ethan, ur killin me - I think this was the most beautifully erotic passage in the whole short story!

I agree. Glad you like it.
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