Author Topic: Jack's love for Ennis (Read 326710 times)

tpe · « **Reply #330 on:** Dec 01, 2006, 09:48 AM »

Thanks greenfrog. I would even say that it's their suffering in love that we identify with the most. With Jack's love, this is certainly the case for me. It's so easy to sympathize with his frustration -- ans it's so moving to see his endurance.

FlwrChild · « **Reply #331 on:** Dec 01, 2006, 10:11 AM »

Having been a 'Jack' in a somewhat 'Jack-like' relationship, I find it very easy to sympathize with his frustration.

tpe · « **Reply #332 on:** Dec 01, 2006, 10:13 AM »

I think I've been like an Ennis in the past, but I think this makes me appreciate Jack all the more.

FlwrChild · « **Reply #333 on:** Dec 01, 2006, 10:26 AM »

It certainly lets you see and understand both sides a little better. I grieve for Ennis and how hard it was to let himself be what he could have been and understand only too late. For Jack, knowing all along how he felt and having to endure Ennis's conflict as well makes it even sadder for me. And as you said, makes it so moving to see his endurance.

welshwitch · « **Reply #334 on:** Dec 01, 2006, 11:41 AM »

"They love indeed, who quake to say they love." Philip Sidney.

tpe · « **Reply #335 on:** Dec 01, 2006, 04:59 PM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Dec 01, 2006, 11:41 AM

"They love indeed, who quake to say they love."

Love gave the wound, which, while they breathe, will bleed

aintfoolin · « **Reply #336 on:** Dec 02, 2006, 08:54 PM »

Only after Ennis finds the shirts did I realize how much Jack loved Ennis all along and that he knew that he and Ennis were in this battle together right from the very beginning. It hit me like a ton of bricks and my heart broke for them both. It all came together at that moment, THIS was such a tried-true love.

theohsocurlyone · « **Reply #337 on:** Dec 03, 2006, 02:25 PM »

...and while we're on quotes, I found this one pinned to a wall inside a theatre, and although I can't remember who says it, it reminded me of Jack, and his love for Ennis, as soon as I read it. I think this is it:

Let me think that there is one amongst those stars that guides my life through the great unknown.

One amongst those stars...

:\'(

ksxks · « **Reply #338 on:** Dec 04, 2006, 01:48 AM »

That is totally gorgeous, Tosco (if you don't mind the familiarity). Gorgeous -- Jack was Ennis's one amongst those stars. God, that is so beautiful, gets to me.

kathy

tpe · « **Reply #339 on:** Dec 04, 2006, 09:31 AM »

I think the abiding characteristic of Jack's love for Ennis is hope, and a whole world of patience. In spite of the ending, Jack's love was a patient love. In the end, it was almost sel-sacrificing. It was resigned. But we can be sure that even if hope had given way in the end to resignation, love was still there.

FlwrChild · « **Reply #340 on:** Dec 04, 2006, 03:50 PM »

It was. And we know this because if it wasn't, he would not remember the dozy embrace with such fondness and wistfulness. He loved Ennis because he couldn't help but do so.

tpe · « **Reply #341 on:** Dec 05, 2006, 10:20 AM »

Quote from: FlwrChild on Dec 04, 2006, 03:50 PM

It was. And we know this because if it wasn't, he would not remember the dozy embrace with such fondness and wistfulness. He loved Ennis because he couldn't help but do so.

Beautifully said, FlwrChild. We know it to be so because he remembers that one embrace. He couldn't help loving Ennis, and tried his best to love him on Ennis's own terms.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #342 on:** Dec 10, 2006, 05:49 AM »

Yeah, how many people can remember an embrace 20 years ago, unless it was with someone you've had a deep love for. In Jack's mind this embrace soldified Ennis's love for him..And his for Ennis.20 years later, it's still so timeless to him.

tpe · « **Reply #343 on:** Dec 13, 2006, 11:51 AM »

I think the dozy embrace is the summation of Jack's love for Ennis. It accepted whatever Ennis could give, but loved hopelessly in return.

JT · « **Reply #344 on:** Dec 13, 2006, 02:46 PM »

Yeah, in the "Dozy embrace" you can see the love in Jack's face and eyes when Ennis rode away. I don't think he ever felt that happy and satisfied in his life. Man! That scene is so beautiful and gets me tearful all the time and I want to sing to Jack, "You look so good in love, you want him, it's easy to see..."

tpe · « **Reply #345 on:** Dec 14, 2006, 01:47 PM »

Quote from: JT on Dec 13, 2006, 02:46 PM

Yeah, in the "Dozy embrace" you can see the love in Jack's face and eyes when Ennis rode away. I don't think he ever felt that happy and satisfied in his life. Man! That scene is so beautiful and gets me tearful all the time and I want to sing to Jack, "You look so good in love, you want him, it's easy to see..."

The mere mention of that scene after the London theatre viewing made me weep. I have always felt that the scene was Jack's valediction. It is the face he probably wants us to remember him by: a face suffuced with love for Ennis.

JT · « **Reply #346 on:** Dec 15, 2006, 12:49 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Dec 14, 2006, 01:47 PM

Quote from: JT on Dec 13, 2006, 02:46 PM
Yeah, in the "Dozy embrace" you can see the love in Jack's face and eyes when Ennis rode away. I don't think he ever felt that happy and satisfied in his life. Man! That scene is so beautiful and gets me tearful all the time and I want to sing to Jack, "You look so good in love, you want him, it's easy to see..."

The mere mention of that scene after the London theatre viewing made me weep. I have always felt that the scene was Jack's valediction. It is the face he probably wants us to remember him by: a face suffuced with love for Ennis.

That's how I see Jack. A beautiful young man full of love for his Ennis. I don't see the sad older Jack, who is, well, too sad.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #347 on:** Dec 15, 2006, 09:17 PM »

He is indeed sad here, with great reason to be . He thought he'd just lost the love of his life and his whole world was crumbling. His worst fearof loosing Ennis, that he'd harbored all those years had come true for him at that moment. Of all the moments in his life this Dozy embrace was truly a defining one for him. It was a time in contrast to the current one where their love was young and free in their own little "garden of Eden" . When all that mattered was him and Ennis and.... their love.

welshwitch · « **Reply #348 on:** Dec 16, 2006, 12:23 PM »

seeing that scene again on the proper screen made me think of Hamlet's"Look here upon this picture and on this." There's the young Jack and the older one juxtaposed - Jack when he was full of youth and hope and dreams, and Jack after what life had thrown at him.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #349 on:** Dec 18, 2006, 08:44 AM »

True. life dealt Jack a bad hand but had he lived I don't think he would've traded the times he spent with Ennis for anything in the world.To him something with this man was better than nothing at all. Amidst all the bad stuff, I like to think that there were good times too. The "dozy embrace" proved that Jack's love for Ennis was a love they could feel. We all felt it too. That's real. A year later I"M still hooked.

tpe · « **Reply #350 on:** Dec 18, 2006, 09:15 AM »

I do think Jack could not help loving Ennis. It was a hopeless atrraction. Jack must have hated himself at times for being so totally under its control.

It was fate.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #351 on:** Dec 18, 2006, 05:04 PM »

Ah, the things we do for love! Yes indeed he must have felt bad at times for the sacrifices he made, but he had to accept them, and resentment can breed contempt. He finally saw it at their last meeting. The culmination of self-sacrifice and not having it equally returned finally coming to a head.......... Plllease! don't get me started!

tpe · « **Reply #352 on:** Dec 19, 2006, 09:35 AM »

Quote from: aintfoolin on Dec 18, 2006, 05:04 PM

Ah, the things we do for love! Yes indeed he must have felt bad at times for the sacrifices he made, but he had to accept them, and resentment can breed contempt. He finally saw it at their last meeting. The culmination of self-sacrifice and not having it equally returned finally coming to a head.......... Plllease! don't get me started!

Through all hopes that keep us brave,
Farther off or nigher,
Love me for the house and grave,
And for something higher.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #353 on:** Dec 19, 2006, 10:08 AM »

Thank you tpe, this says it all.

greenfrog · « **Reply #354 on:** Dec 19, 2006, 11:59 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Dec 19, 2006, 09:35 AM

Through all hopes that keep us brave,
Farther off or nigher,
Love me for the house and grave,
And for something higher.

A beautiful and very appropriate poem Thomas

tpe · « **Reply #355 on:** Dec 20, 2006, 09:49 AM »

Thanks, aintfoolin and greenfog.

Love is so hard to describe in words. It is purely in the realm of feeling that we think we understand or begin to understand Jack's love for someone like Ennis.

theohsocurlyone · « **Reply #356 on:** Dec 29, 2006, 12:52 PM »

*cries* :\'(

aintfoolin · « **Reply #357 on:** Dec 29, 2006, 11:16 PM »

Jack's feelings of love for Ennis and vice-verse are what so many of us relate to in this classic film. It is a rollercoaster ride of every emotion availble to us. From elation to tradgedy inside every time I watch this movie. Such a powerful, fresh, human, and different, love story from begining to end.

roconner · « **Reply #358 on:** Dec 30, 2006, 06:38 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Dec 18, 2006, 09:15 AM

I do think Jack could not help loving Ennis. It was a hopeless atrraction. Jack must have hated himself at times for being so totally under its control.

It was fate.

Let us never forget that Ennis quit jobs to spend time with Jack.

That was a very big deal in those days, especially when he had child support to pay.

Jack was just more sophisticated than Ennis in many ways.
He imagined a future that Ennis couldn't.

I have never doubted that Jack knew Ennis loved him.
That's why he never gave up on him.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #359 on:** Dec 31, 2006, 03:45 AM »

I agree. As screwed up as the situation was Jack's life had more structure than Ennis. Jack was forced to walk a straight line in Texas with LD and Lureen. And he learned some valuable lessons behind it,though in it he suffered . But suffering breeds character. Blessed with charm and the gift to communicate, along with a wonderful insight, Jack went after what he wanted with a vengence. He never gave up on getting some sort of settled life for himself and the ones he loved. He had his own fears but did'nt allow them to keep him from going after his dreams. I loved and admired that in him.
Some say he was a dreamer and had pipedreams and all but had he lived he would have eventually gotten what he wanted. A sweet life with Ennis. Would never have given that up because his love was just that strong. 20 years waiting? No doubt about it.

Author Topic: Jack's love for Ennis (Read 326710 times)

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