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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #270 on: Aug 31, 2006, 08:09 AM »
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It makes one think...if same sex relationships had not been so taboo over the years, we could have witnessed a similar scene with some of our favorites from Hollywood's "Golden Age."  This may be a bit <OT> but now I am picturing this same scene with leading men from a former era.

*Dreams* . . . .  :d)  <^(  :d)  <^(

One can dream.  :)

Thats why this motel scene is so wonderful: it is strangely familiar. 
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #271 on: Aug 31, 2006, 08:56 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Aug 31, 2006, 08:09 AM

One can dream.  :)

Thats why this motel scene is so wonderful: it is strangely familiar. 
<^(  Who would have thought passing comments on smoking would lead to such romantic dreams ...  <^(  Thank you!  ^f^

One of the tenderest moments in the whole film, for me ... The kiss Jack presses to Ennis' hair, just before he says "what are we gonna do now??".  So much love and yearning and need in that simple gesture.

Sometimes, when I'm in a fanciful mood, this whole motel scene has an ethereal feel to it, for me. "Otherworldly" because for a brief moment they are neither of the world nor in it, there is just each other. With all the possibilities and pitfalls still just ghosts in the air, without substance or the ability to harm.  Then the die is cast by those last words we hear from Ennis in that room, and once they leave the Siesta their destiny is set.  This smoky room becomes to me the transition between their innocent freedom on Brokeback and the illusory freedom of their future "fishing" trips.   

Like I said ... fanciful thoughts, considering the very earthy reason they're in the motel room in the first place ...  :-[

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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #272 on: Aug 31, 2006, 09:09 AM »
Quote from: MississaugaRed on Aug 31, 2006, 08:56 AM
<^(  Who would have thought passing comments on smoking would lead to such romantic dreams ...  <^(  Thank you!  ^f^

One of the tenderest moments in the whole film, for me ... The kiss Jack presses to Ennis' hair, just before he says "what are we gonna do now??".  So much love and yearning and need in that simple gesture.

Sometimes, when I'm in a fanciful mood, this whole motel scene has an ethereal feel to it, for me. "Otherworldly" because for a brief moment they are neither of the world nor in it, there is just each other. With all the possibilities and pitfalls still just ghosts in the air, without substance or the ability to harm.  Then the die is cast by those last words we hear from Ennis in that room, and once they leave the Siesta their destiny is set.  This smoky room becomes to me the transition between their innocent freedom on Brokeback and the illusory freedom of their future "fishing" trips.   

Like I said ... fanciful thoughts, considering the very earthy reason they're in the motel room in the first place ...  :-[

Yes, it is otherwordly.  The lighting, most especially so.  I assume the light comes from the neon Motel sign, but is bathes them with a ruddy hue in the middle of the dark night. 

Is it the color of blood? 

Nay; but perchance it was the color of love...

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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #273 on: Aug 31, 2006, 06:40 PM »
Quote from: City Slickin' Cowboy on Aug 30, 2006, 07:17 PM
It makes one think...if same sex relationships had not been so taboo over the years, we could have witnessed a similar scene with some of our favorites from Hollywood's "Golden Age."  This may be a bit <OT> but now I am picturing this same scene with leading men from a former era.

Whow Cowboy!  Hot stuff!  I never thought of that, but now I can so easily picture it.  And of course, the ladies together, too.

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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #274 on: Sep 04, 2006, 07:48 PM »
I love that little tug on Jack's arm.  <^(  <^(  <^(
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #275 on: Sep 04, 2006, 07:48 PM »
I love the whole motel room scene.

I can feel how much they love each other and how comfortable they are with each other. It's amazing.

Only Ennis could say so much with a little tug on the arm. You can see how happy he is to be with Jack, to be himself, to not have to hold up that heavy wall and hide... yet you can see how lost he feels, lost in himself.

Jack knows exactly who Ennis is, while Ennis doesn't really understand who he is at all. It's painful to look in his eyes while Jack is holding him. You can see the inner conflict going on. He's letting Jack hold him, enjoying and embracing it, but also knowing that who he is at that moment isn't someone he necessarily wants to be. He just doesn't understand himself. All he knows is that when he's with Jack, he's happy.
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #276 on: Sep 04, 2006, 07:50 PM »
Beautiful post Erica ^f^
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #277 on: Sep 04, 2006, 07:58 PM »
Thank you! I'm glad someone liked it.  :c)
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #278 on: Sep 04, 2006, 08:01 PM »
Quote from: erica loves jack on Sep 04, 2006, 07:58 PM
Thank you! I'm glad someone liked it.  :c)

You're welcome  ^f^
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #279 on: Sep 05, 2006, 06:38 PM »
Quote from: erica loves jack on Sep 04, 2006, 07:58 PM
Thank you! I'm glad someone liked it.  :c)

Of course we liked it.  That's such a wonderful and interesting scene, and your post describes Ennis perfectly.  I love especially, "Only Ennis could say so much with a little tug on the arm."  And everything else you said about his poor conflicted self.

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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #280 on: Sep 05, 2006, 11:31 PM »
Quote from: ksxks on Sep 05, 2006, 06:38 PM
Quote from: erica loves jack on Sep 04, 2006, 07:58 PM
Thank you! I'm glad someone liked it.  :c)

Of course we liked it.  That's such a wonderful and interesting scene, and your post describes Ennis perfectly.  I love especially, "Only Ennis could say so much with a little tug on the arm."  And everything else you said about his poor conflicted self.

kathy




Thanks! I can feel all the love....     :ghug:




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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #281 on: Sep 05, 2006, 11:32 PM »

So Beautiful and Loving  <^(  <^(  <^(
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #282 on: Sep 05, 2006, 11:35 PM »
Quote from: greenfrog on Sep 05, 2006, 11:32 PM

So Beautiful and Loving  <^(  <^(  <^(



awwwww... just looking at that makes me all gooey inside.



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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #283 on: Sep 05, 2006, 11:40 PM »
Same here . . .
I just melt inside every time I see that image.  <^( <^( <^(
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #284 on: Sep 05, 2006, 11:51 PM »
You can see the pain in Jack's eyes.... holding on to Ennis and not wanting to ever let go. Knowing how deeply he feels for him, and realizing that Ennis isn't ready to have any of it... at least not embrace it like Jack wants to.  :(

Jake and Heath did a great great job.


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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #285 on: Sep 05, 2006, 11:54 PM »

For now, it's all about the love. <^( <^( <^(
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #286 on: Sep 06, 2006, 12:11 AM »
Yay for love!
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #287 on: Sep 06, 2006, 12:19 AM »
I think we may be going slightly off topic here . . .  Not that it's a bad thing.  <^(
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #288 on: Sep 06, 2006, 12:34 AM »
naaaahhh, we're talking about the love they had for each other during the motel scene. we are sooooo on topic.  ;)
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #289 on: Sep 06, 2006, 12:37 AM »
Quote from: erica loves jack on Sep 06, 2006, 12:34 AM
naaaahhh, we're talking about the love they had for each other during the motel scene. we are sooooo on topic.  ;)

*Phew*

Alright . . . Back to the love talk.
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #290 on: Sep 06, 2006, 12:39 AM »
Quote from: erica loves jack on Sep 05, 2006, 11:51 PM
You can see the pain in Jack's eyes.... holding on to Ennis and not wanting to ever let go. Knowing how deeply he feels for him, and realizing that Ennis isn't ready to have any of it... at least not embrace it like Jack wants to.  :(

Jake and Heath did a great great job.


They certainly did.  There are so many places in the whole film where the dynamics between them are expressed in such subtle ways, and these two men are just excellent at that kind of acting.  It is so not a caricature of "love" or "desire" or "tortured" or "angry" or any of it.  They did it all so genuinely.

Anyway, I want to say again what you mentioned about that tug on Jack's arm.  I know this has been talked about previously, but since Ennis had such trouble putting his feelings into words, or even recognizing in words what his feelings were, he expressed himself more with his body than with words.  And this little movement is a perfect example.

Boy, thinking about "expressing" themselves in that bed just before this scene that we see...  Whew.  (I need an icon for fanning oneself.)

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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #291 on: Sep 06, 2006, 12:41 AM »
I just noticed when I was looking at this photo. The expression on Jack's face.



He looks like he has been satisfied out of his mind. ;)

Sorry if that sounded dirty, but that's what it looks like. Sought of a "Wow" face.
He has waited four years and finally they're back together again.  <^( <^( <^(
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #292 on: Sep 06, 2006, 12:52 AM »
Quote from: greenfrog on Sep 06, 2006, 12:41 AM
I just noticed when I was looking at this photo. The expression on Jack's face.



He looks like he has been satisfied out of his mind. ;)

Sorry if that sounded dirty, but that's what it looks like. Sought of a "Wow" face.
He has waited four years and finally they're back together again.  <^( <^( <^(




"WOW.... what just happened??? That was the best freakin sex I've had in my life."

....something like that maybe??  ^-^



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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #293 on: Sep 06, 2006, 12:54 AM »
Quote from: erica loves jack on Sep 06, 2006, 12:52 AM
Quote from: greenfrog on Sep 06, 2006, 12:41 AM
I just noticed when I was looking at this photo. The expression on Jack's face.



He looks like he has been satisfied out of his mind. ;)

Sorry if that sounded dirty, but that's what it looks like. Sought of a "Wow" face.
He has waited four years and finally they're back together again.  <^( <^( <^(


"WOW.... what just happened??? That was the best freakin sex I've had in my life."

....something like that maybe??  ^-^


That's the one !!!  <^(
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #294 on: Sep 06, 2006, 01:41 AM »
Haha! I'm glad I could help find the words.

I think what makes the whole motel room scene so great for me is that Ennis is letting Jack hold him. Ennis, this tough, rugged guy who shows little to no emotion to the outside world, is letting himself be held. It's so beautiful. It's like you can see the real Ennis, underneath all of his layers. I don't think he would allow anyone else to hold him... at least not in that manner.


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« Reply #295 on: Sep 06, 2006, 02:45 AM »
Quote from: erica loves jack on Sep 06, 2006, 01:41 AM
Haha! I'm glad I could help find the words.

I think what makes the whole motel room scene so great for me is that Ennis is letting Jack hold him. Ennis, this tough, rugged guy who shows little to no emotion to the outside world, is letting himself be held. It's so beautiful. It's like you can see the real Ennis, underneath all of his layers. I don't think he would allow anyone else to hold him... at least not in that manner.


I know that I will forever melt at the sight of Jack holding Ennis in bed.  <^(
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #296 on: Sep 06, 2006, 07:17 AM »
Quote from: greenfrog on Sep 06, 2006, 02:45 AM
Quote from: erica loves jack on Sep 06, 2006, 01:41 AM
Haha! I'm glad I could help find the words.

I think what makes the whole motel room scene so great for me is that Ennis is letting Jack hold him. Ennis, this tough, rugged guy who shows little to no emotion to the outside world, is letting himself be held. It's so beautiful. It's like you can see the real Ennis, underneath all of his layers. I don't think he would allow anyone else to hold him... at least not in that manner.


I know that I will forever melt at the sight of Jack holding Ennis in bed.  <^(

Wonderful point.  And he looks relaxed and secure in Jack's embrace.

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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #297 on: Sep 06, 2006, 07:58 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Sep 06, 2006, 07:17 AM
Quote from: greenfrog on Sep 06, 2006, 02:45 AM
Quote from: erica loves jack on Sep 06, 2006, 01:41 AM
Haha! I'm glad I could help find the words.

I think what makes the whole motel room scene so great for me is that Ennis is letting Jack hold him. Ennis, this tough, rugged guy who shows little to no emotion to the outside world, is letting himself be held. It's so beautiful. It's like you can see the real Ennis, underneath all of his layers. I don't think he would allow anyone else to hold him... at least not in that manner.


I know that I will forever melt at the sight of Jack holding Ennis in bed.  <^(

Wonderful point.  And he looks relaxed and secure in Jack's embrace.

Yes he is, because he's finally where he's meant to be, where he belongs - in Jack's arms. Erica, you said it beautifully.
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #298 on: Sep 06, 2006, 08:11 AM »
Quote from: erica loves jack on Sep 06, 2006, 01:41 AM
Haha! I'm glad I could help find the words.

I think what makes the whole motel room scene so great for me is that Ennis is letting Jack hold him. Ennis, this tough, rugged guy who shows little to no emotion to the outside world, is letting himself be held. It's so beautiful. It's like you can see the real Ennis, underneath all of his layers. I don't think he would allow anyone else to hold him... at least not in that manner.




I think you are absolutely right, and beautifully said!  ^f^
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Re: motel room scene
« Reply #299 on: Sep 06, 2006, 08:58 AM »
One of those still points in a turning world, and one of the few occasions when they have time to simply be together, rather than doing things. Very few other shots in the film showw them in that way.
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