Author Topic: Symbols you will forever associate with BBM scenes (Read 275099 times)

brokie007 · « **Reply #180 on:** Sep 27, 2006, 05:38 PM »

And brokie007, you're getting married in November! Have you yet said to someone, "Me and ____'s gettin' married in November"? I'm sure you haven't -- but you can say it to us if you want.

kathy

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" I ain't yet had the opportunity!"

coz in Malta we speak Maltese......but it's nice to hear myself say it like that....so here goes.....

"Me and Franz's gettin' married in November"

........sounds nice...

Patriot1 · « **Reply #181 on:** Sep 27, 2006, 06:03 PM »

Quote from: brokie007 on Sep 27, 2006, 05:38 PM

" I ain't yet had the opportunity!" coz in Malta we speak Maltese......but it's nice to hear myself say it like that....so here goes.....

"Me and Franz's gettin' married in November"

........sounds nice...

Have you been saving for a ranch of your own also?

welshwitch · « **Reply #182 on:** Sep 28, 2006, 11:22 AM »

One of the symbols I think about but which does not appear in the movie is Jack's ashes, which do not end up scattered on BBM, as he wished, but split between
Texas and the family plot in Lightning flat. Just like Jack's life, split between Lureen and Childress, and Ennis and the mountains, and just what he's have expected for himself - in the ss he says that things never worked out for him as he wanted, and even in death his wishes aren't carried out.

And the ashes themselves of course symbolize the death of his hopes and dreams, and in a way the end for Ennis too.

ksxks · « **Reply #183 on:** Sep 28, 2006, 04:43 PM »

Quote from: carbyville on Sep 27, 2006, 05:01 PM

Quote from: ksxks on Sep 27, 2006, 04:35 PM
Wow -- you have a little girl born in the Brokeback era. We are all clearly insane...but in a good way -- it is just funny, to look at your little girl and think about BBM.

And brokie007, you're getting married in November! Have you yet said to someone, "Me and ____'s gettin' married in November"? I'm sure you haven't -- but you can say it to us if you want.

kathy

Yes, insane in a good way! I just think back on it and how much I wanted to drive 8 hours to New York City to see the movie on it's December 9th release, but knew better because I was due to have the baby at any time. She was born merely 4 days later. The first time she had a babysitter was when we went to see the movie. So I strongly correlate her with the beginning of this wonderful BBM ride I've been going on.

I can probably relate ANYTHING to BBM, if I tried hard enough, though. Even my coffee cup. It has a picture of a coffee kettle that strongly resembles the one J&E used up on brokeback in '63. It makes me smile.

That is funny, that you were crazy to see this movie before it came out, enough to drive to NYC with a baby due any minute. That is insane, like PRE-Brokeback Syndrome. I can see that having seen the movie once, one would be crazy to see it again, but this was even before you really knew of the impact it might have on you. But sorry, OT a bit. Except that your baby is a BBM symbol

I love also how I can make anything into a BBM symbol, like your coffee cup. And in addition to actual symbols, there is, like in BBM-speak thread, dialogue bits from the movie. Or, dressing or moving like Ennis or Jack, or Alma, Lureen, whoever...

kathy

ksxks · « **Reply #184 on:** Sep 28, 2006, 04:46 PM »

Quote from: brokie007 on Sep 27, 2006, 05:38 PM

And brokie007, you're getting married in November! Have you yet said to someone, "Me and ____'s gettin' married in November"? I'm sure you haven't -- but you can say it to us if you want.

kathy
Quote

" I ain't yet had the opportunity!" coz in Malta we speak Maltese......but it's nice to hear myself say it like that....so here goes.....

"Me and Franz's gettin' married in November"

........sounds nice...

Like somebody asks you if you want to go to the movies next week, and you say, "I don't know. Like I said, me and Franz's gettin' married in November. You?"

I am LOL'ing.

kathy

ksxks · « **Reply #185 on:** Sep 28, 2006, 04:46 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Sep 27, 2006, 06:03 PM

Quote from: brokie007 on Sep 27, 2006, 05:38 PM
" I ain't yet had the opportunity!" coz in Malta we speak Maltese......but it's nice to hear myself say it like that....so here goes.....

"Me and Franz's gettin' married in November"

........sounds nice...

Have you been saving for a ranch of your own also?

LOL more!

kathy

ksxks · « **Reply #186 on:** Sep 28, 2006, 04:48 PM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Sep 28, 2006, 11:22 AM

One of the symbols I think about but which does not appear in the movie is Jack's ashes, which do not end up scattered on BBM, as he wished, but split between
Texas and the family plot in Lightning flat. Just like Jack's life, split between Lureen and Childress, and Ennis and the mountains, and just what he's have expected for himself - in the ss he says that things never worked out for him as he wanted, and even in death his wishes aren't carried out.

And the ashes themselves of course symbolize the death of his hopes and dreams, and in a way the end for Ennis too.

:\'(
kathy

carbyville · « **Reply #187 on:** Sep 28, 2006, 04:57 PM »

Quote from: ksxks on Sep 28, 2006, 04:43 PM

Quote from: carbyville on Sep 27, 2006, 05:01 PM
Quote from: ksxks on Sep 27, 2006, 04:35 PM
Wow -- you have a little girl born in the Brokeback era. We are all clearly insane...but in a good way -- it is just funny, to look at your little girl and think about BBM.

And brokie007, you're getting married in November! Have you yet said to someone, "Me and ____'s gettin' married in November"? I'm sure you haven't -- but you can say it to us if you want.

kathy

Yes, insane in a good way! I just think back on it and how much I wanted to drive 8 hours to New York City to see the movie on it's December 9th release, but knew better because I was due to have the baby at any time. She was born merely 4 days later. The first time she had a babysitter was when we went to see the movie. So I strongly correlate her with the beginning of this wonderful BBM ride I've been going on.

I can probably relate ANYTHING to BBM, if I tried hard enough, though. Even my coffee cup. It has a picture of a coffee kettle that strongly resembles the one J&E used up on brokeback in '63. It makes me smile.

That is funny, that you were crazy to see this movie before it came out, enough to drive to NYC with a baby due any minute. That is insane, like PRE-Brokeback Syndrome. I can see that having seen the movie once, one would be crazy to see it again, but this was even before you really knew of the impact it might have on you. But sorry, OT a bit. Except that your baby is a BBM symbol

I love also how I can make anything into a BBM symbol, like your coffee cup. And in addition to actual symbols, there is, like in BBM-speak thread, dialogue bits from the movie. Or, dressing or moving like Ennis or Jack, or Alma, Lureen, whoever...

kathy

I had been waiting awhile. The short story had already had a big impact on me from the beginning, so I was dying to see the movie. Had been since early '05.

Okay, back to the topic at hand here. I've got another. I have a lot, actually. I went to the store a few weeks back and I was walking up through the parking lot there was a car parked out in front of the store with some Mexican music (I call it "fiesta tunes") blasting. I started laughing because all I could think of was Jack, and even though the mexico bits of BBM are upsetting, I just couldn't believe that even going to the store I couldn't get away from BBM

-Kristin

tpe · « **Reply #188 on:** Sep 29, 2006, 07:32 AM »

Well certainly, a lot of the songs that were used in BBM is now linked to the movie, as far as I'm concerned. I will not be able to listen to any of them without thinking of BBM.

The next time I enter a small town grocery store, I am sure that it will also call to mind that scene in BBM.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #189 on:** Sep 29, 2006, 05:48 PM »

It's amazing. The things we do in simple every day life, work, shopping,music, our minds go back to this movie STILL. Now that's impact. This whole movie was a symbol. Just amazing.

ethan · « **Reply #190 on:** Sep 30, 2006, 10:14 AM »

Went to car wash yesterday. The store sells air refreshners. They were small cowboy hats - one in white and the other in black. Guess who I thought of.......

Now how I wish I can "smell" Jack and Ennis. How do they smell like? OK...it is way OT. Back to symbols.

Jennis · « **Reply #191 on:** Sep 30, 2006, 11:34 AM »

Quote from: ethan on Sep 30, 2006, 10:14 AM

Went to car wash yesterday. The store sells air refreshners. They were small cowboy hats - one in white and the other in black. Guess who I thought of.......

Now how I wish I can "smell" Jack and Ennis. How do they smell like? OK...it is way OT. Back to symbols.

Aww Ethan, so sweet.I would have bought them too

J.x

welshwitch · « **Reply #192 on:** Sep 30, 2006, 03:54 PM »

And not OT at all - wea lll see the hats as symbolic of cowboys and of the two sheepherders who wear them while not cowboying!

aintfoolin · « **Reply #193 on:** Sep 30, 2006, 04:10 PM »

Seeing cowboy hats anywhere will never be the same again.

ksxks · « **Reply #194 on:** Sep 30, 2006, 09:36 PM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Sep 30, 2006, 03:54 PM

And not OT at all - wea lll see the hats as symbolic of cowboys and of the two sheepherders who wear them while not cowboying!

While not cowboying, and also while not fishing! So there is another symbol -- fishing poles, those basket things, etc.

kathy

welshwitch · « **Reply #195 on:** Sep 30, 2006, 10:17 PM »

The interesting thing about the hats is that they evidently symbolize cowboys to people now, but also seem to have a symbolic function to the two characters in the movie. At the beginning it seems to me that they wear them to assert what they are, sheepherding being a somewhat despised ocupation, and then cling to them, in Ennis's case maybe because he stays in touch with stock rearing, and in Jack's as a sign of being a rodeo cowboy, although he isn't for long. The guy with Ennis in the road gang wears a baseball cap, which seems more appropriate.

But then when I used to see people in the South and West wearing cowboy hats although they clearly had nothing to do with their occupations, I came to the conclusion that it was a cultural thing or maybe a regional one.

edgar · « **Reply #196 on:** Oct 01, 2006, 10:50 PM »

At the risk of appearing

cowboy hats are an effiicient way to shade one's head from the sun, which is very important if you are in a place with lots of sun and little shade. Think about it.... sombrero, panama hat, cowboy hat, australian outback hat... they're all related.

Like any other piece of clothing, the functional often yields to the fashionable... Neckties used to be used to hold your shirt closed, back before buttons and snaps were readily available. Now, they are entirely a fashion thing.

Cowboy hats are largely fashion, but there's still a little protection from sun and drizzle relevant for sheepherders, highway workers, etc.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #197 on:** Oct 02, 2006, 02:57 AM »

It's true I think that cowboy hats symbolizes a certain lifestyle. but can also be just a fahion statement. The brim acts as a visor from the sun in hot sunny climates and also as a sheild from rain { the umbrella effect. } Ennis also used his to hide his eyes at times when he was shy about something.

tpe · « **Reply #198 on:** Oct 02, 2006, 07:52 AM »

Quote from: ethan on Sep 30, 2006, 10:14 AM

Went to car wash yesterday. The store sells air refreshners. They were small cowboy hats - one in white and the other in black. Guess who I thought of.......

Now how I wish I can "smell" Jack and Ennis. How do they smell like? OK...it is way OT. Back to symbols.

Smell is a powerful symbol. Although we couldn't smell something from the movie, there are certain scenes where we can almost imagine smells (thanks to the suggestion from the short story).

tpe · « **Reply #199 on:** Oct 02, 2006, 07:55 AM »

Quote from: aintfoolin on Oct 02, 2006, 02:57 AM

It's true I think that cowboy hats symbolizes a certain lifestyle. but can also be just a fahion statement. The brim acts as a visor from the sun in hot sunny climates and also as a sheild from rain { the umbrella effect. } Ennis also used his to hide his eyes at times when he was shy about something.

I like the way both Ennis and Jack seemed to had hid (at times) under the wide brims. I also think that Ennis and Jack treated the hats (and other cowboy parapharnalia) as potent symbols.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #200 on:** Oct 02, 2006, 10:28 AM »

Know I'm offtopic but they hardly ever took their's off. That's O.K. though cause they both looked sexy as hell wearin em!

welshwitch · « **Reply #201 on:** Oct 02, 2006, 10:50 AM »

Not really OT as the hats were part of their identity and that's why they rarely took them off, I think, apart from practical considerations. If you look at stills or clips while they were shooting, they generally have them on there too - maybe as a way into the characters the clothes are important?

aintfoolin · « **Reply #202 on:** Oct 02, 2006, 02:36 PM »

Are you saying that their clothing in general could be symbols? not just their hats? If so I agree, right down to Jack's rodeo buckle.

welshwitch · « **Reply #203 on:** Oct 02, 2006, 05:15 PM »

Well, the semiotics of clothes are interesting and of these particularly so, at least as far as showing what Ang Lee thought of the two characters and the impression he wanted them to create. Even how much they wesar is symbolic - from shirts to muffled up in coats to half-dressed to semi-nude, in Jack's case, and back to bundled up with Aguirre, then totally nude (presumably) in the motel when they're about as open to each other as anywhere in the movie.

tpe · « **Reply #204 on:** Oct 03, 2006, 07:30 AM »

Quote from: aintfoolin on Oct 02, 2006, 02:36 PM

Are you saying that their clothing in general could be symbols? not just their hats? If so I agree, right down to Jack's rodeo buckle.

The buckle.

It is a symbol of "Jack Twist", no?

welshwitch · « **Reply #205 on:** Oct 03, 2006, 10:23 AM »

It's a symbol of his success to Jack, and a symbol of what he'd like to be but never is. It's also a symbol of something that's dying - he says in the ss that amateur rodeo riders are being replaced by professionals, in other worlds that rodeo has moved away from its authenti beginnings and is becoming part of the world of entertainment and big bucks. Of course in marrying Lureen Jack moves away from the rodeo world and becomes part of the mechanized world of the C20th and alsoof course of big business and big bucks. The barman talks about LD's machines costing $100K and that was a lot of money for a combine harvester back in the 60s, I should think.

tpe · « **Reply #206 on:** Oct 04, 2006, 08:00 AM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Oct 03, 2006, 10:23 AM

It's a symbol of his success to Jack, and a symbol of what he'd like to be but never is. It's also a symbol of something that's dying - he says in the ss that amateur rodeo riders are being replaced by professionals, in other worlds that rodeo has moved away from its authenti beginnings and is becoming part of the world of entertainment and big bucks. Of course in marrying Lureen Jack moves away from the rodeo world and becomes part of the mechanized world of the C20th and alsoof course of big business and big bucks. The barman talks about LD's machines costing $100K and that was a lot of money for a combine harvester back in the 60s, I should think.

I have also thought that it references the rough road of his love for Ennis: twisting and trying to keep his seat for as long as he could.

JT · « **Reply #207 on:** Oct 04, 2006, 03:30 PM »

Quote from: ethan on Sep 30, 2006, 10:14 AM

Went to car wash yesterday. The store sells air refreshners. They were small cowboy hats - one in white and the other in black. Guess who I thought of.......

Now how I wish I can "smell" Jack and Ennis. How do they smell like? OK...it is way OT. Back to symbols.

In the ss, this is how Jack smells like:"...the intensely familiar odor of cigarettes, musky sweat and a faint sweetness like grass, and with it the rushing cold of the mountains."

JT · « **Reply #208 on:** Oct 04, 2006, 03:37 PM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Sep 28, 2006, 11:22 AM

One of the symbols I think about but which does not appear in the movie is Jack's ashes, which do not end up scattered on BBM, as he wished, but split between
Texas and the family plot in Lightning flat. Just like Jack's life, split between Lureen and Childress, and Ennis and the mountains, and just what he's have expected for himself - in the ss he says that things never worked out for him as he wanted, and even in death his wishes aren't carried out.

And the ashes themselves of course symbolize the death of his hopes and dreams, and in a way the end for Ennis too.

This is so sad. I have an aunt who pass away recently and her ashes were also split in between two places. This reminds me of Jack's ashes, and Jack's ashes reminds me of my aunts. Thinking about either makes me want to cry. :\'(

JT · « **Reply #209 on:** Oct 04, 2006, 03:42 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Sep 29, 2006, 07:32 AM

Well certainly, a lot of the songs that were used in BBM is now linked to the movie, as far as I'm concerned. I will not be able to listen to any of them without thinking of BBM.

The next time I enter a small town grocery store, I am sure that it will also call to mind that scene in BBM.

I heard "Melissa" twice in a Wal-Mart store and of course it brought me back to BBM again.