Author Topic: The Preacher gives me the creeps (Read 29529 times)

Condiments · « **on:** Sep 12, 2006, 11:04 PM »

Am I the only one who feels that the preacher who marries Ennis and Alma is creepy?

When he says "And if you don't I will." I get the chills. Isn't that a weird thing for him to say? It's so not funny and so odd that he would say that at the wedding ceremony that I can hardly look at him.

Now I'll tell you what I really feel...!

Shelley

greenfrog · « **Reply #1 on:** Sep 12, 2006, 11:31 PM »

I agree. There is something about him that you can't just quite put your finger on.

Patriot1 · « **Reply #2 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 12:51 AM »

Quote from: Shelley on Sep 12, 2006, 11:04 PM

Am I the only one who feels that the preacher who marries Ennis and Alma is creepy?

When he says "And if you don't I will." I get the chills. Isn't that a weird thing for him to say? It's so not funny and so odd that he would say that at the wedding ceremony that I can hardly look at him.

Now I'll tell you what I really feel...!

Shelley

It does seem rather inappropriate doesn't it. But then, I am not a church goer so maybe people really act this way.

He almost sounded like a guy that would say, "Want some candy little girl. Come with me."

I just hope the preacher was a single man or his wife might have something to say when he gets home.

NoReins · « **Reply #3 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 02:50 AM »

Funny. I never saw that as creepy at all. Just kind of cute.

I think the preacher probably knew Alma pretty well - small town, close knit community, her obviously a church goer, he's probably known her since she was a little girl - and it was just a joke that he knew would get a laugh.

Rønnaug · « **Reply #4 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 03:56 AM »

Creepy is a very nice way of putting it...

U seen Braveheart? Don't remember the word for it but it is called first night.. We had it here too, the priest would get first night with the bride

I am guessing this priest would want that practise returned

NoReins · « **Reply #5 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 04:39 AM »

Esme - it's "prima nocte"

But it certainly wasn't the priest who had that right - in Braveheart it was the English lord who was in charge of the village who took the bride on the first night of her marriage

Patriot1 · « **Reply #6 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 04:49 AM »

Quote from: NoReins on Sep 13, 2006, 04:39 AM

Esme - it's "prima nocte"

But it certainly wasn't the priest who had that right - in Braveheart it was the English lord who was in charge of the village who took the bride on the first night of her marriage

Did anyone get the husband? I want that part.

Hey! I am 60. I am suppose to be a dirty old man.

NoReins · « **Reply #7 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 04:53 AM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Sep 13, 2006, 04:49 AM

Quote from: NoReins on Sep 13, 2006, 04:39 AM
Esme - it's "prima nocte"

But it certainly wasn't the priest who had that right - in Braveheart it was the English lord who was in charge of the village who took the bride on the first night of her marriage

Did anyone get the husband? I want that part. Hey! I am 60. I am suppose to be a dirty old man.

Don't think you'd have wanted the particular husband from Braveheart, Patriot. He wasn't exactly good looking!

Patriot1 · « **Reply #8 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 05:01 AM »

Quote from: NoReins on Sep 13, 2006, 04:53 AM

Quote from: Patriot1 on Sep 13, 2006, 04:49 AM
Quote from: NoReins on Sep 13, 2006, 04:39 AM
Esme - it's "prima nocte"

But it certainly wasn't the priest who had that right - in Braveheart it was the English lord who was in charge of the village who took the bride on the first night of her marriage

Did anyone get the husband? I want that part. Hey! I am 60. I am suppose to be a dirty old man.

Don't think you'd have wanted the particular husband from Braveheart, Patriot. He wasn't exactly good looking!

NoReins, when you are 60 years old you take what you can get.

tpe · « **Reply #9 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 06:36 AM »

Such an creepy subject.

Honestly, I did not get a sense that the preacher was particularly lecherous. But I must admit that his joke about kissing the bride could rub a groom the wrong way. Ennis did seem mildly annoyed, no? Overall though, I though that he was harmless enough. Am I being a bit naive here?

Asali · « **Reply #10 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 06:42 AM »

I didn't think of the preacher as creepy but did think that it was an inappropriate thing for him to say. I suppose it was a very quiet country town where everyone knew everyone very well but still I don't think the church is a place to joke around like that, especially from the preacher. Quite weird really.

tpe · « **Reply #11 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 06:47 AM »

Quote from: Asali on Sep 13, 2006, 06:42 AM

I didn't think of the preacher as creepy but did think that it was an inappropriate thing for him to say. I suppose it was a very quiet country town where everyone knew everyone very well but still I don't think the church is a place to joke around like that, especially from the preacher. Quite weird really.

And especially while officiating at a wedding...

Perhaps we are being abit harsh in our judgement here. Perhaps the preacher knew both of them since childhood, and felt close enough to both of them that he assumed he could take liberties such as these...

Asali · « **Reply #12 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 07:12 AM »

Quote from: tpe on Sep 13, 2006, 06:47 AM

Quote from: Asali on Sep 13, 2006, 06:42 AM
I didn't think of the preacher as creepy but did think that it was an inappropriate thing for him to say. I suppose it was a very quiet country town where everyone knew everyone very well but still I don't think the church is a place to joke around like that, especially from the preacher. Quite weird really.

And especially while officiating at a wedding...

Perhaps we are being abit harsh in our judgement here. Perhaps the preacher knew both of them since childhood, and felt close enough to both of them that he assumed he could take liberties such as these...

I presume that is probably the case but still I would have thought that being a preacher he would have acted in a responsible manner.

tpe · « **Reply #13 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 07:17 AM »

Quote from: Asali on Sep 13, 2006, 07:12 AM

I presume that is probably the case but still I would have thought that being a preacher he would have acted in a responsible manner.

I can only agree with you, Asali. Perhaps not so creepy, but more than a tad out of place.

Rønnaug · « **Reply #14 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 07:27 AM »

THank u NoReins

And yes I know it wasn't the priest in Braveheart, I siad here, in Norway it was the priest

welshwitch · « **Reply #15 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 09:26 AM »

"Droit de seigneur" it was called by my Norman French ancestors - if this guy wanted that with Alma, he's entirely welcome. Wonder about the guy who married Jack and Lureen?

I thought it was a really strange thing to say, but then we don't have the kissing the bride thing here anyway, or not in proper services anyway - don't know about the happy clappies, who seem obsessed with kissing one another on every possible occasion. [Went to a revivial in Texas once - dragged reluctant husband - not too bad till they started telling you to shake hands with/kiss the person next to you and tell them you were happy they were there - at this point husband came over very British.]

Actually i wondered if he knew Alma well - she seems the sort to have gone to church - and knew what Ennis was like - ie undemonstrative - and thought he needed a bit of encouragement, which he did in an inappropraite way.

He ooks like the sort who'd molest the sheep up on Brokeback if he got half a chance.

Rosie · « **Reply #16 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 09:44 AM »

Quote from: NoReins on Sep 13, 2006, 02:50 AM

I think the preacher probably knew Alma pretty well - small town, close knit community, her obviously a church goer, he's probably known her since she was a little girl - and it was just a joke that he knew would get a laugh.

I think NoReins pretty much sums up my opinion too, although it is a little inappropriate for a preacher. I didn't actually notice it before, so it couldn't have bothered me that much....

welshwitch, I had to laugh at that bit in your post when your husband come over all 'British', I can almost visualise it..

Condiments · « **Reply #17 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 04:53 PM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Sep 13, 2006, 09:26 AM

"Droit de seigneur" it was called by my Norman French ancestors - if this guy wanted that with Alma, he's entirely welcome.

LOL!

He ooks like the sort who'd molest the sheep up on Brokeback if he got half a chance.

LOL!!!

That is SO funny! I also agree that Ennis looks quite uncomfortable after the preacher says it. Also, isn't every single moment in this divine movie purposeful for Ang Lee's grand design?

So that preacher gets my creep vote.

Shelley

tpe · « **Reply #18 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 05:27 PM »

I must admit that it cracks me up everytime I see the title of this thread.

Poor preacher! Not even the sheep would be safe from you!

LuvJackNasty · « **Reply #19 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 10:09 PM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Sep 13, 2006, 09:26 AM

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He ooks like the sort who'd molest the sheep up on Brokeback if he got half a chance.

I never thought of him as creepy but I did think it was odd that he said that though.

greenfrog · « **Reply #20 on:** Sep 13, 2006, 11:23 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Sep 13, 2006, 05:27 PM

I must admit that it cracks me up everytime I see the title of this thread.

Poor preacher! Not even the sheep would be safe from you!

ethan · « **Reply #21 on:** Sep 14, 2006, 12:01 AM »

At first, I didn't think of it "creepy" I thought it was only humorous....I chuckled everytime he says that.

But now after reading the posts, it does seem to be creepy.

tpe · « **Reply #22 on:** Sep 14, 2006, 06:58 AM »

Quote from: ethan on Sep 14, 2006, 12:01 AM

At first, I didn't think of it "creepy" I thought it was only humorous....I chuckled everytime he says that.

But now after reading the posts, it does seem to be creepy.

I also go back to Ennis's reaction to the preacher's offer. There is indeed a note of ambivalence in his look. As for why the preacher said it: subliminal desire, perhaps?

Then again, perhaps this preacher felt so secure about his position as a moral bedrock of the community that he invariably does what a lot of preachers fall into: take liberties that they would not have done had they thought about it more carefully. A friend once described a presbyterian pastor who continually used the term "dork" in one of his sermons. My friend had to tell him later that "dork" is actually a reference to the male genitalia. The pastor was shocked when he realized this.

welshwitch · « **Reply #23 on:** Sep 14, 2006, 12:04 PM »

So am I, tpe! I just thought it was another vague term of condemnation, like nerd, but I've never used it as it's not something said in British English.

Actually when i think about it vicars and priests ans similar often try to be folksy and "come down to the level" of "ordinary" lay people. Perhaps he was just trying to do this and got it wrong, as, in a cringe-making way, often happens.

tpe · « **Reply #24 on:** Sep 15, 2006, 07:40 AM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Sep 14, 2006, 12:04 PM

So am I, tpe! I just thought it was another vague term of condemnation, like nerd, but I've never used it as it's not something said in British English.

Actually when i think about it vicars and priests ans similar often try to be folksy and "come down to the level" of "ordinary" lay people. Perhaps he was just trying to do this and got it wrong, as, in a cringe-making way, often happens.

I also thought that vicars and priests nowadays try to come down to the level of the laity -- the young, in particular. I am sure that the preacher was doing this when he joked about kissing Alma. I am quite sure it was meant as a compliment to the beauty of the bride...

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #25 on:** Sep 15, 2006, 12:06 PM »

I am a church goer and I did find the remark a little odd. I attend a fairly large church so our ministers do not have the same comfort level with their parishoners as one who officiates over a small congregation. I interpreted the remark as something along the line of....

"Don't be shy boy! You've got a pretty bride standing there. Kiss her before someone else does!"

In my eyes the preacher was just trying to inject a little humor. Obviously he should have left the comedy for the skilled.

Rosie · « **Reply #26 on:** Sep 15, 2006, 12:13 PM »

Quote from: City Slickin' Cowboy on Sep 15, 2006, 12:06 PM

I am a church goer and I did find the remark a little odd. I attend a fairly large church so our ministers do not have the same comfort level with their parishoners as one who officiates over a small congregation. I interpreted the remark as something along the line of....

"Don't be shy boy! You've got a pretty bride standing there. Kiss her before someone else does!"

In my eyes the preacher was just trying to inject a little humor. Obviously he should have left the comedy for the skilled.

Completely agree...CSC.

jesseanne21 · « **Reply #27 on:** Sep 15, 2006, 05:10 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Sep 13, 2006, 04:49 AM

Quote from: NoReins on Sep 13, 2006, 04:39 AM
Esme - it's "prima nocte"

But it certainly wasn't the priest who had that right - in Braveheart it was the English lord who was in charge of the village who took the bride on the first night of her marriage

Did anyone get the husband? I want that part. Hey! I am 60. I am suppose to be a dirty old man.

If the preacher gets Alma, can I have Ennis? I'd be happy to share with you Patriot1!!

I was sorry to read you guys thought the preacher was creepy...I thought he was one of those well intentioned people who think they are funny (and sadly are not) and always making lame jokes.

tpe · « **Reply #28 on:** Sep 15, 2006, 05:31 PM »

Quote from: City Slickin' Cowboy on Sep 15, 2006, 12:06 PM

I am a church goer and I did find the remark a little odd. I attend a fairly large church so our ministers do not have the same comfort level with their parishoners as one who officiates over a small congregation. I interpreted the remark as something along the line of....

"Don't be shy boy! You've got a pretty bride standing there. Kiss her before someone else does!"

In my eyes the preacher was just trying to inject a little humor. Obviously he should have left the comedy for the skilled.

Good point.

Patriot1 · « **Reply #29 on:** Sep 15, 2006, 05:34 PM »

Quote from: jesseanne21 on Sep 15, 2006, 05:10 PM

Quote from: Patriot1 on Sep 13, 2006, 04:49 AM
Quote from: NoReins on Sep 13, 2006, 04:39 AM
Esme - it's "prima nocte"

But it certainly wasn't the priest who had that right - in Braveheart it was the English lord who was in charge of the village who took the bride on the first night of her marriage

Did anyone get the husband? I want that part. Hey! I am 60. I am suppose to be a dirty old man.

If the preacher gets Alma, can I have Ennis? I'd be happy to share with you Patriot1!!

I was sorry to read you guys thought the preacher was creepy...I thought he was one of those well intentioned people who think they are funny (and sadly are not) and always making lame jokes.

You know, jesseanne21, I think you just might have hit the nail right on the head. He is just a guy who thinks he is funny and sadly is not. I've been there and done that.

You are welcome to have Ennis. I'll hold out for Jack. And no, I am NOT sharing!

Author Topic: The Preacher gives me the creeps (Read 29529 times)

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