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The Movie & Story => Characters, Quotes & Scenes => Topic started by: pierralex on May 14, 2006, 10:03 AM
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Just noticed it at my last BBM DVD viewing. There is a plane taking off in the background. Well, not very interesting neither important (nor anachronic).
Just wanted to say it...
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Hey!!! thanks pierralex!!!! it is good to know that!! seems to be we have watched BBM DVD so much that we pay attention to every detail!!
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Great catch - pierralex. Thanks. Wouldn't that be something if it was Airbus 380? ;D
I am sure there are more. Keep watching DVD folks.
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Hahaa, that's great. :D And I agree with Carlos_H82.. we have watched BBM so much that we pay attention to every detail. ;D I wonder if Ang Lee knows his movie has THIS fanatic fans.
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NO detail is too small as far as this movie is concerned...
Thanks pierralex.
Can we dedicate this thread to all such details that many of us might have missed? Can we name other such things?
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Thanks pierralex.
Can we dedicate this thread to all such details that many of us might have missed? Can we name other such things?
I love the idea, tpe. Sorry I won't be able to contribute for a while, I haven't acquired the dvd. :(
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Thanks pierralex.
Can we dedicate this thread to all such details that many of us might have missed? Can we name other such things?
I love the idea, tpe. Sorry I won't be able to contribute for a while, I haven't acquired the dvd. :(
No problem stephan. I hope this thread stays for a while. ;)
OOT, do you know that I have YET to see the DVD in full? I still don't have the courage...
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Just renamed "All the little details" :)
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Just renamed "All the little details" :)
Thanks pierralex. I am sure there will be quite a lot of things to consider here.
For instance, have we ever done an enumeration of all the things we see in Lureen's and Jack's house? Pictures and other small details, for example?
Certain glass objects above (or on the side table) of Lureen's bed... The pictures in the house during the Thanksgiving scene...
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Another detail :
The phone during the Thanksgiving scene is different from the one in the last Lureen scene.
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Another detail :
The phone during the Thanksgiving scene is different from the one in the last Lureen scene.
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How interesting!
Frankly, I had not precisely situated where the last call was made as you do now (in the thanksgiving scene).
Thanks pierralex!
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This is the good thing about the DVD.... you can watch it and look at all the little things...provided you can tear your eyeballs away from the kissing and the stroking and all THAT rest ;)
You got an eye for detail Pierrealex
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I don't know if you noticed it, but the painting on the wall represents a young LD Newsome, Lureen's father.
I wonder what are the other things on the wall, if they are buckles (prizes of Jake and Lureen)...
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I recall that cans of beans bubbling on the grill on Brokeback had a strange brand name; something like "Better More"? Or somethin'.
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I saw that...and it made me feel like BOTH LD and Lureen look at Jack the same way...ick...
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I recall that cans of beans bubbling on the grill on Brokeback had a strange brand name; something like "Better More"? Or somethin'.
Better Most Beans... BMB...BBM.... apparantly it is a genuine brand from the 60's ...
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pierralex!!! you have quite an eye!! they are rodeo buckles and the red horses are the prices from lureen
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Great thread. Let's keep adding to this... :)
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When Jack meets up with Ennis (very briefly) after the divorce, he keeps licking his lips as though he's really itching to pash Ennis right then and there.
"Just kiss me you fool" !!!!!!! :-*
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When Jack meets up with Ennis (very briefly) after the divorce, he keeps licking his lips as though he's really itching to pash Ennis right then and there.
Beautiful.
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The buckle that Jack wears the day of the kiss (4 years after)
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is the same than the day Jack searches for his blue parka
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It's different from the one he wears in BBM, which is the same than when he rodeos.
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The buckle that Jack wears the day of the kiss (4 years after)
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is the same than the day Jack searches for his blue parka
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It's different from the one he wears in BBM, which is the same than when he rodeos.
pierralex, you are a gem.
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I noticed that he wears this buckle at thanksgiving to :)
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I noticed that he wears this buckle at thanksgiving to :)
This forum should write a BBM Bible, with you as one of the editors.
I don't know about the rest, but I find small details fascinating...
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Thank tpe :)
Here is one again : the horses in the Newsome-Twist house
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I have other details but it take time to prepare the pics...
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I have other details but it take time to prepare the pics...
I can imagine.
I can't see these pix. They intrigue me. I will see it when I get out of the office.
Thomas
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I'm loving this!!!!
All the little details...so cool...
Pierralex I cannot wait to see more!
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Somebody may have already mentioned this, but the name of the farm equipment is "Versatile." Nice touch, don't ya think? ;) Also, another small detail, when Alma is taking down the laudry at she and Ennis' house, she is taking down the same brown/orange shirt Ennis wore on BBM.
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I'm loving this!!!!
All the little details...so cool...
Pierralex I cannot wait to see more!
Froggy, I agree. I can't wait to see more surprises.
This is all so decadent... We are so obsessed that even the nitty gritty takes the form of revelations.
I am unapologetic...
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We are so obsessed that even the nitty gritty takes the form of revelations.
I am unapologetic...
you shouldn't be!!!!
nitty gritty..I'm all for it!
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If you pay attention there are also a lot of plants in the Newsome-Twist house?
There aren't any one in the Del Mar House, and just few littles in the Monroe House.
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Somebody may have already mentioned this, but the name of the farm equipment is "Versatile." Nice touch, don't ya think? ;)
Now THIS is interesting! :)
Also, another small detail, when Alma is taking down the laudry at she and Ennis' house, she is taking down the same brown/orange shirt Ennis wore on BBM.
Excellent!
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If you pay attention there are also a lot of plants in the Newsome-Twist house?
There aren't any one in the Del Mar House, and just few littles in the Monroe House.
I vaguely recall the presence of plants in the Newsome-Twist house. But for the life of me, I cannot name a single one at the moment...
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HOW often have you seen the DVD since you got it ?? ?? ?? ??
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Also, another small detail, when Alma is taking down the laudry at she and Ennis' house, she is taking down the same brown/orange shirt Ennis wore on BBM.
Very good!! :D
Esme, I've watched the DVD only once, but I have a lot of screenshots ;)
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I have watched it several times, and also snippets several times thinking that this is a good thing, I can look at other stuff than just Jake or Heath... never works...the minute it starts I am drawn to Ennis&Jack :P
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Did you notice the girls' corner ?
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THAT I noticed lol...cause that what it looks like at my place..only a bit more cas and tractors and stuff..less dolls ;)
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What about the mountain pictures in Ennis and Alma's houses? One hideous one in the first cabin, which reappears on the kitchen wall of the Riverton apartment - it's a ghastly pseudo-Mediterranean pseudo-oil thing, the sort you get ( used to get? - haven't been in one for a while) in cheap motels, but they evidently liked it enough to keep it. Then there's a different one on the wall of Monroe's house, seen just as Ennis leaves after his final confrontation with Alma. How odd that she should have in front of her throughout her marriage a reference to the one place where Ennis had found love.
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What about the mountain pictures in Ennis and Alma's houses? One hideous one in the first cabin, which reappears on the kitchen wall of the Riverton apartment - it's a ghastly pseudo-Mediterranean pseudo-oil thing, the sort you get ( used to get? - haven't been in one for a while) in cheap motels, but they evidently liked it enough to keep it. Then there's a different one on the wall of Monroe's house, seen just as Ennis leaves after his final confrontation with Alma. How odd that she should have in front of her throughout her marriage a reference to the one place where Ennis had found love.
:)
Thanks welshwitch!
I love this thread. For some (perverse?) reason, I do so love this thread...
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I had read this in a post a few months back: Alma sees a postcard from Jack and she puts the mail down you can see the word Honey on the sale paper and you hear Jack's voice say "Honey have you seen my blue parka?"
I noticed when Ennis gets the deceased postcard you can see the word shovels right underneath it {morbid I know}
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And unless I'm crazy {it is entirely possible ;)} I could swear Ennis has the same coat on at their first camping trip and their last.
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And unless I'm crazy {it is entirely possible ;)} I could swear Ennis has the same coat on at their first camping trip and their last.
Yes, LJN, it is the very same coat. I noticed this a long time ago and mentioned it in a thread somewhere. I was wondering why Jack didn't buy Ennis clothes for Christmas or his birthday.
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And unless I'm crazy {it is entirely possible ;)} I could swear Ennis has the same coat on at their first camping trip and their last.
Yes, LJN, it is the very same coat. I noticed this a long time ago and mentioned it in a thread somewhere. I was wondering why Jack didn't buy Ennis clothes for Christmas or his birthday.
Him sending his "fishing buddy" clothes might have looked a bit suspicious. I'm just guessing here.
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Also, another small detail, when Alma is taking down the laudry at she and Ennis' house, she is taking down the same brown/orange shirt Ennis wore on BBM.
Very good!! :D
Esme, I've watched the DVD only once, but I have a lot of screenshots ;)
I'd kill for a shot of a grief-stricken Ennis sitting at the Twist table when he came up to Lightning Flat after Jack's death. :'(
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I'd kill for a shot of a grief-stricken Ennis sitting at the Twist table when he came up to Lightning Flat after Jack's death. :'(
Your wish is...
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And then, after Ennis comes down from Jack's room. Eyes red and watery.
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I love this -- keep it going.
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Greenfrog, looks like you and I had the same idea! ;D ;D
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I had read this in a post a few months back: Alma sees a postcard from Jack and she puts the mail down you can see the word Honey on the sale paper and you hear Jack's voice say "Honey have you seen my blue parka?"
I noticed when Ennis gets the deceased postcard you can see the word shovels right underneath it {morbid I know}
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And unless I'm crazy {it is entirely possible ;)} I could swear Ennis has the same coat on at their first camping trip and their last.
Well, I wasn't going to mention this....
But does that shingle advert in the bottom right end with the words "triple butt" ?
:o
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I had read this in a post a few months back: Alma sees a postcard from Jack and she puts the mail down you can see the word Honey on the sale paper and you hear Jack's voice say "Honey have you seen my blue parka?"
I noticed when Ennis gets the deceased postcard you can see the word shovels right underneath it {morbid I know}
These are very beautiful. I had noticed 'honey', but not 'shovels'.
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Well, I wasn't going to mention this....
But does that shingle advert in the bottom right end with the words "triple butt" ?
:o
And I had not noticed this either...
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And unless I'm crazy {it is entirely possible ;)} I could swear Ennis has the same coat on at their first camping trip and their last.
Yes, LJN, it is the very same coat. I noticed this a long time ago and mentioned it in a thread somewhere. I was wondering why Jack didn't buy Ennis clothes for Christmas or his birthday.
Thanks! :)
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And unless I'm crazy {it is entirely possible ;)} I could swear Ennis has the same coat on at their first camping trip and their last.
Yes, LJN, it is the very same coat. I noticed this a long time ago and mentioned it in a thread somewhere. I was wondering why Jack didn't buy Ennis clothes for Christmas or his birthday.
Him sending his "fishing buddy" clothes might have looked a bit suspicious. I'm just guessing here.
Yeah, I have a feeling that Jack and Ennis would not have given each other birthday and Christmas presents. Unless they happened to be away in the mountains at those times, of course ;) ;D
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Yeah, I have a feeling that Jack and Ennis would not have given each other birthday and Christmas presents. Unless they happened to be away in the mountains at those times, of course ;) ;D
Ditto, and they even didn't have a single picture of themselves...
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I'm sure everyone has noticed the thngs in Jack's room in Lightning Flat - a carved cowboy on a horse - was this what he wanted to be? - and a covered wagon - ? a reference to the pioneers who made their way to such remote corners. If his people came west with the high hopes most settlers started out with, there's an ironic contrast between those and what the place has turned out to be - maybe as there is between the young Jack, looking out of the window as Ennis does as soon as he enters the room, and what happened to his dreams.
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I'm sure everyone has noticed the thngs in Jack's room in Lightning Flat - a carved cowboy on a horse - was this what he wanted to be? - and a covered wagon - ? a reference to the pioneers who made their way to such remote corners. If his people came west with the high hopes most settlers started out with, there's an ironic contrast between those and what the place has turned out to be - maybe as there is between the young Jack, looking out of the window as Ennis does as soon as he enters the room, and what happened to his dreams.
Yes, welshwitch. I noticed the covered wagon.
There also seemed to have been something like rocks (?) and boxes (?) Can't remember exactly.
And of course, there is that famous clock with hands set at 8:45 (8 + 4 + 5 = 17 = ...)
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And of course, there is that famous clock with hands set at 8:45 (8 + 4 + 5 = 17 = ...)
Tpe, I'm completely lost about the significance of this, what am I missing? I'm having a "d'uh" moment and don't understand ... :P Help?
But really enjoying all the lovely details everyone has mentioned. :) So many layers and layers ...
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And of course, there is that famous clock with hands set at 8:45 (8 + 4 + 5 = 17 = ...)
Tpe, I'm completely lost about the significance of this, what am I missing? I'm having a "d'uh" moment and don't understand ... :P Help?
It was posted in one of the older threads. I have always loved the double interpretation here:
8:45 => 8 + 4 + 5 = 17 => Ennis's trailer number => the number of letters in 'B R O K E B A C K M O U N T A I N'
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It was posted in one of the older threads. I have always loved the double interpretation here:
8:45 => 8 + 4 + 5 = 17 => Ennis's trailer number => the number of letters in 'B R O K E B A C K M O U N T A I N'
Ahhhh.. (light dawns!). lol. Well, that's just spooky.
I missed out on a lot of the older threads, being a relative newby. :) Thanks so much for filling in the gaps, Thomas!
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Not sure it was made intentionally LOl, but it's a great detail thanks!
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Not sure it was made intentionally LOl, but it's a great detail thanks!
Yes, it's one of those things one can never really be sure.
But the number 17, I feel that it does stand for BBM, numerologically speaking...
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Jack Sneaks a Peak!!
right after the Ennis says: "...didn't rodeo much... he thought all rodeo cowboys was all f*** ups"
right before Jack says: "The hell they are," look at Jack sneaks a quick peek at Ennis' goodies.
Remember Ennis is sitting a cross from him legs wide open, and you see Jack's eye quickly glance down crotch level, then UP to look Ennis in the eye was he swigs from his whiskey bottle.
Ennis does have a cup in his hand, but Jack's eyes goes lower than that.... check it out...
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Jack Sneaks a Peak!!
right after the Ennis says: "...didn't rodeo much... he thought all rodeo cowboys was all f*** ups"
right before Jack says: "The hell they are," look at Jack sneaks a quick peek at Ennis' goodies.
Remember Ennis is sitting a cross from him legs wide open, and you see Jack's eye quickly glance down crotch level, then UP to look Ennis in the eye was he swigs from his whiskey bottle.
Ennis does have a cup in his hand, but Jack's eyes goes lower than that.... check it out...
Whut? You mean I have to watch again? ;D
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What is that blue ink on Ennis' left wrist? I've noticed it before but forget to ask if anyone knows what it is?
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What is that blue ink on Ennis' left wrist? I've noticed it before but forget to ask if anyone knows what it is?
I think it is Heath's tattoo. He's got one on his wrist. :D
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What is that blue ink on Ennis' left wrist? I've noticed it before but forget to ask if anyone knows what it is?
I think it is Heath's tattoo. He's got one on his wrist. :D
That would make sense! I keep trying to figure out what it is & didn't even think about that!
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yes we see it in several scenes, and not in other where it seems to be covered by make up...
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I wonder if the phone cabin we see at the end is the one Ennis uses to call Lureen ???
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I wonder if the phone cabin we see at the end is the one Ennis uses to call Lureen ???
i think it is!
thanks for this, i never recognised the phone cabine!!
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I wonder if the phone cabin we see at the end is the one Ennis uses to call Lureen ???
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If you also notice (as discussed in an old thread), the bar you see here is JT's Bar.
JT... Jack Twist...
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I read in another thread somewhere someone mentioning that Ennis doesn't walk beside Jack on the way to the bar, he walks BEHIND him. Not only is he behind him, he isn't even on the sidewalk...he's walking in the parking lot...you can see him pass on the OUTSIDE of the posts in front of the bar. Just noticed that the other night after watching nine times in the theater on the BIG screen, and umpteen times on DVD. Its funny what you pick up with repeated viewings ;D
Donna
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you're right tpe I didn't notice it, thanks.... It's another kind of symbol of the beginning and the end of their story :'(
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What is that blue ink on Ennis' left wrist? I've noticed it before but forget to ask if anyone knows what it is?
In this shot you can barely see the simple gold wedding ring on Ennis's hand. I think it was the shot right before this that we see them from the other side. And when Jack's hand comes up to Ennis's face, you see that he's wearing a much more elaborate ring, flashier.
The quick flashes of their wedding rings in this reunion scene seem to be another way to show the different in their circumstances, finance wise, I think, which gets more obvious as their lives move on.
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I read in another thread somewhere someone mentioning that Ennis doesn't walk beside Jack on the way to the bar, he walks BEHIND him. Not only is he behind him, he isn't even on the sidewalk...he's walking in the parking lot...you can see him pass on the OUTSIDE of the posts in front of the bar. Just noticed that the other night after watching nine times in the theater on the BIG screen, and umpteen times on DVD. Its funny what you pick up with repeated viewings ;D
Donna
They are also walking in the exact same cadence. They were meant to be together! Their gaits match up perfectly!
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It suddenly occurred to me today ( watching DVD again) that Jack always sends Ennis picture postcatrds; Ennis, practical, prosaic Ennis, always sends Jack plain ones. But at the end the one he's bought is a picture of BBM - this to me is Ennis moving into Jack's world, made brighter because of emotion.
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But at the end the one he's bought is a picture of BBM - this to me is Ennis moving into Jack's world, made brighter because of emotion.
welshwitch - Which one are you talking about? The one hanging at the last scene?
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It suddenly occurred to me today ( watching DVD again) that Jack always sends Ennis picture postcatrds; Ennis, practical, prosaic Ennis, always sends Jack plain ones. But at the end the one he's bought is a picture of BBM - this to me is Ennis moving into Jack's world, made brighter because of emotion.
What a beautiful thought Welshwitch! :)
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I noticed tonight, the building opposite Ennis and Alma's house has a big sign on it that says ELKS ;)
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LOL
How many things you found!.
If you have seen a Ed Wood's movie, you would've found thousands!
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Probably someone mentioned this already somewhere, but when Ennis tells Jack about Cassie, he says she's a waitress, "wants to go to Nursing school or something."
In the short story, he says she's a waitress, but he "don't know if he wants to deal with all her problems." (quoting loosely; sorry.)
I think the reference to "nursing school" is certainly a reference to the actress, Linda Cardellini, who plays a nurse on ER.
Sort of saying that she waited tables for a while, then went to nursing school, and became a nurse. Not really logical--the character's name is Samantha on ER--but just a little smile.
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Yes, Ethan, the one in th closet next to the shirts. In the short story he gets the woman at the shop to order it specially for him, and that was something of an unexpected act by Ennis. I thought.
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It suddenly occurred to me today ( watching DVD again) that Jack always sends Ennis picture postcatrds; Ennis, practical, prosaic Ennis, always sends Jack plain ones. But at the end the one he's bought is a picture of BBM - this to me is Ennis moving into Jack's world, made brighter because of emotion.
Gosh - had never noticed that! Thanks welshwitch for pointing that out, knowing what we do about the different characters of both Ennis and Jack that makes a lot of sense.
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Yes, Ethan, the one in th closet next to the shirts. In the short story he gets the woman at the shop to order it specially for him, and that was something of an unexpected act by Ennis. I thought.
Yes I read that in the short story. But in the move I thought it is the first postcard that Jack sent him. No?
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Yes, Ethan, the one in th closet next to the shirts. In the short story he gets the woman at the shop to order it specially for him, and that was something of an unexpected act by Ennis. I thought.
Yes I read that in the short story. But in the move I thought it is the first postcard that Jack sent him. No?
Oooh. That's a neat thought. Have to check that out.
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Yes, Ethan, the one in th closet next to the shirts. In the short story he gets the woman at the shop to order it specially for him, and that was something of an unexpected act by Ennis. I thought.
Yes I read that in the short story. But in the move I thought it is the first postcard that Jack sent him. No?
Oooh. That's a neat thought. Have to check that out.
No. The first post card Ennis gets from Jack is not the one hanging in Ennis' closet.
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Patriot1, you are right. I just watched the DVD clip and it is not the same.
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No, it's not, I've been squinting at the place names on them and one of them is somewhere rocky and national parky - damn, I'll have to watch the DVD again now!
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Just looked at it - the first postcard's of somewhere called El Capitan ( not the one in Yosemite, surely?) and Signal Peak. The print on the other is blurred but I don't think it says BBM.
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Just today I noticed , in the in the grocery-store,when Alma turns ,to phone her sister she has
a big hole - running down... on her stocking-( in back of her right leg)
Another thing that emphasize the poverty that they live.. :-\\ :(.
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Just today I noticed , in the in the grocery-store,when Alma turns ,to phone her sister she has
a big hole - running down... on her stocking-( in back of her right leg)
Another thing that emphasize the poverty that they live.. :-\\ :(.
Telling detail. LOvely even in it's hint of poverty.
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The first rodeo scene involving Jack takes place in Electra, Texas.
When Jack riding a tractor at the Newsome dealership (with Bobby on his lap), you can't help but smile at it's logo - "VERSATILE".
You see the phone booth that Ennis uses to call Lureen twice--once years before he uses it (when he answers Jack's first postcard), and once when he receives the returned postcard stamped "DECEASED." Not noticeable the first time, I think, but quite clear the second: the sign over the bar next to the phone booth reads "JT's Bar."
There is a bar next to the phone booth when Ennis calls Lureen about the postcard stamped "DECEASED." The sign over the bar next to the phone booth reads "JT's Bar."
Jack says that he's is pretty good with a can opener. In the next scene, while using the can opener, he spills the food over himself.
The mailbox outside Aguirre's trailer says "Applicants".
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The first rodeo scene involving Jack takes place in Electra, Texas.
When Jack riding a tractor at the Newsome dealership (with Bobby on his lap), you can't help but smile at it's logo - "VERSATILE".
You see the phone booth that Ennis uses to call Lureen twice--once years before he uses it (when he answers Jack's first postcard), and once when he receives the returned postcard stamped "DECEASED." Not noticeable the first time, I think, but quite clear the second: the sign over the bar next to the phone booth reads "JT's Bar."
There is a bar next to the phone booth when Ennis calls Lureen about the postcard stamped "DECEASED." The sign over the bar next to the phone booth reads "JT's Bar."
Jack says that he's is pretty good with a can opener. In the next scene, while using the can opener, he spills the food over himself.
The mailbox outside Aguirre's trailer says "Applicants".
Thank you greenfrog. And yes, I do love the detail about VERSATILE. :)
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I've found several new details with the FS DVD :)
First, did you notice that Alma jr scrapes the edge of her cup when asking if ennis can come to her wedding ?
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Another horse in the Twist-Newsome house : (on the left)
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We see Cassie and Carl through the window before they come in (actually I had notice it since a long time but forgot it) :
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pierralex, your descriptions are tantalizing, as I cannot see them right now at the office. I shall wait to get out of work and enjoy them. Thank you very much.
I am partuicularly curious about the horse...
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You're welcome tpe, here is more interesting stuff : look well under the desk!!!
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You're welcome tpe, here is more interesting stuff : look well under the desk!!!
It's so dark, i can't see nothing :(
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I noticed tonight, the building opposite Ennis and Alma's house has a big sign on it that says ELKS ;)
This brings to mind a detail that I SO VERY MUCH wanted to work out but it didn't quite do it...
You know when Lureen is with little Bobby in bed and her parents are there? The very end of that scene when Jack stops smiling and turns away to get the formula, there is a picture on the hallway wall over his shoulder. It is a black silhouette picture of an elk. The scene next cuts to Ennis driving by the ELK'S lodge and pulling into his parking place.
Unfortunately, on closer inspection, the picture on the wall in the hallway is a silhouette of a horse, not an elk. Dang it!
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You're welcome tpe, here is more interesting stuff : look well under the desk!!!
Is that a pick-up?
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OK so here you have to watch the DVD carefully because you don't see it much on the pic :
there is a fly flying on the right of jack's head, turning around again and again.... well I know, not the most interesting lol, but anyway...
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You're welcome tpe, here is more interesting stuff : look well under the desk!!!
Is that a pick-up?
yes, miniature, a toy, jack's toy, and it looks exactly like Ennis' pick-up!! And the same colour too!!
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And the most interesting of all (for me at least) : there is a little stain of blood on the top of ennis shirt just here :\'(
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OMG..thankx everyone..
Pierralex..this blood stain is about to make me cry again!!
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I noticed tonight, the building opposite Ennis and Alma's house has a big sign on it that says ELKS ;)
This brings to mind a detail that I SO VERY MUCH wanted to work out but it didn't quite do it...
You know when Lureen is with little Bobby in bed and her parents are there? The very end of that scene when Jack stops smiling and turns away to get the formula, there is a picture on the hallway wall over his shoulder. It is a black silhouette picture of an elk. The scene next cuts to Ennis driving by the ELK'S lodge and pulling into his parking place.
Unfortunately, on closer inspection, the picture on the wall in the hallway is a silhouette of a horse, not an elk. Dang it!
I found this interesting, because I live almost right next to the Elks National Headquarters in Chicago. The HQ is quite lavish compared to the one in the movie. The spartan look of the lodge is a poigniant commentary to the spare atmosphere of BBM. :)
The National HQ:
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Could this elk have something to do with roman mythology? Above: Diana, The Goddess of Hunting.
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Could this elk have something to do with roman mythology? Above: Diana The Goddess of Hunting.
Interesting question for an interesting image. What is the difference between a stag and an elk? I know, this is a detail! :)
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Interesting question for an interesting image. What is the difference between a stag and an elk? I know, this is a detail! :)
I think a stag could be understood as a red deer and an elk more like a moos. But these are just suggestions, english sure isn't my mother tongue ;)
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Could this elk have something to do with roman mythology? Above: Diana The Goddess of Hunting.
Interesting question for an interesting image. What is the difference between a stag and an elk? I know, this is a detail! :)
Yes, that is a male deer ("stag," "hart," "buck"), which is traditionally associated with Diana. Don't think they had elk in ancient (or modern) Greece.
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OK so here you have to watch the DVD carefully because you don't see it much on the pic :
there is a fly flying on the right of jack's head, turning around again and again.... well I know, not the most interesting lol, but anyway...
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Yes I noticed that...I'd thought this scene was done on a soundstage, but I guess it must have really been outdoors. The fly makes it very realiztic, don't you think?
Donna
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yes, definately too real.... but maybe there are flies in studios too lol. But I think BBM was shot in natural places.
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And the most interesting of all (for me at least) : there is a little stain of blood on the top of ennis shirt just here :\'(
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Crap. :\'(
Thanks Pierralex for all of the new details.
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I've found several new details with the FS DVD :)
First, did you notice that Alma jr scrapes the edge of her cup when asking if ennis can come to her wedding ?
OK so here you have to watch the DVD carefully because you don't see it much on the pic :
there is a fly flying on the right of jack's head, turning around again and again.... well I know, not the most interesting lol, but anyway...
And the most interesting of all (for me at least) : there is a little stain of blood on the top of ennis shirt :d)
Wow,pierralex!!
speaking of details.. the fly, haha ;)
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I've found several new details with the FS DVD :)
First, did you notice that Alma jr scrapes the edge of her cup when asking if ennis can come to her wedding ?
OK so here you have to watch the DVD carefully because you don't see it much on the pic :
there is a fly flying on the right of jack's head, turning around again and again.... well I know, not the most interesting lol, but anyway...
And the most interesting of all (for me at least) : there is a little stain of blood on the top of ennis shirt :d)
Wow,pierralex!!
speaking of details.. the fly, haha ;)
There is also a fly on Ennis's face during that scene at one point. (Actually, it's a sort of blooper, because the fly is sometimes there, sometimes not, iirc.)
If anyone has ever visited the northern Rockies in summer, the flies and mosquitoes are BRUTAL especially in the evening.
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The absolute joy in Ennis's voice when he says “Jack fu**in’ Twist!”. <^( <^( <^(
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The absolute joy in Ennis's voice when he says “Jack f***in’ Twist!”. <^( <^( <^(
And the absolute joy in his look...
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Only recently noticed the way Jack limps when he hurries out after the unsuccessful chat-up of the barman - it bears out his later comments about being banged up and suggests how glad he was when the second bar scene involved Lureen, who provided an means of escape from an unsuccessful rodeo career.
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Only recently noticed the way Jack limps when he hurries out after the unsuccessful chat-up of the barman - it bears out his later comments about being banged up and suggests how glad he was when the second bar scene involved Lureen, who provided an means of escape from an unsuccessful rodeo career.
Yes, I found this to be a a nice tough, especially since he was shown limping away after falling badly during the 3 second rodeo ride.
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Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but unless I'm mistaken (wishful thinking) the blood-stained shirt in the closet is the same one that Heath was wearing in the second tent scene :-[
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Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but unless I'm mistaken (wishful thinking) the blood-stained shirt in the closet is the same one that Heath was wearing in the second tent scene :-[
yes which means neither Jack not Ennis washed it!!
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yes which means neither Jack not Ennis washed it!!
Darling, you have no idea what I would do if I had any of Heath's shirts hanging in my closet <^(
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yes which means neither Jack not Ennis washed it!!
Darling, you have no idea what I would do if I had any of Heath's shirts hanging in my closet <^(
I don't think I want to know! lol
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yes which means neither Jack not Ennis washed it!!
Darling, you have no idea what I would do if I had any of Heath's shirts hanging in my closet <^(
I don't think I want to know! lol
lets bet on it !! >:D
OT - I know.. :`)
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Here's another detail, from the scene where Jack enters Aguirre's trailer again and hopes to find Ennis there:
(sorry if it has mentioned before)
Aquirre says: "well look what the wind blew in".
And you can see the little air blewer in the wal of the trailer behind the head of Aguirre turning, and than it stops. Just a nice detail, or is it just an effect that happens every time when somebody opens a door when there is an airblewer?
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Aquirre says: "well look what the wind blew in".
And you can see the little air blewer in the wal of the trailer behind the head of Aguirre turning, and than it stops. Just a nice detail, or is it just an effect that happens every time when somebody opens a door when there is an airblewer?
Yes! I did notice this also! It is wonderful of you, Carolien, to have posted this detail. I thought it added tension to the scene, especially since it can be considered the visual counterpoint to the aural one: the noise of the wind outside suddenly cut off by the punctuation of the closing/slamming door upon Jack's entry into the trailer.
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Yes, I found this to be a a nice touch, especially since he was shown limping away after falling badly during the 3 second rodeo ride.
Old topic here, but it just occured to me in reading this, that Jack's not only limping in this scene after falling, and in the rodeo clown bar scene presumably after his ride, but he's also kinda' limping when he first comes out of the tent after FNIT. Guess maybe he was just kinda' stiff and sore in general from all those years ridin' bulls. ;)
jackster
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Old topic here, but it just occured to me in reading this, that Jack's not only limping in this scene after falling, and in the rodeo clown bar scene presumably after his ride, but he's also kinda' limping when he first comes out of the tent after FNIT. Guess maybe he was just kinda' stiff and sore in general from all those years ridin' bulls. ;)
jackster
You are right, jackster. Very perceptive of you. That's another example of the wonderfully consistent quality of acting we have learned to respect with the actors.
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The morning after the FNIT scene and Jack's limping from the tent, the way Ennis looks down at him from his horse, was really a heartbreaking scene. It's those small touches in the film I love the most.
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And of course it's one of several occasions when Jack is shown staring after Ennis - when he rides back up to the sheep, when he leaves after the dozy embrace, when Ennis leaves after the final confrontation. his expression is one of sadness, bewilderment and at the end intensifies, perhaps into anger and resentment. But it is basically similar each time and includes an element of longing and wistfulness.
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And of course it's one of several occasions when Jack is shown staring after Ennis - when he rides back up to the sheep, when he leaves after the dozy embrace, when Ennis leaves after the final confrontation. his expression is one of sadness, bewilderment and at the end intensifies, perhaps into anger and resentment. But it is basically similar each time and includes an element of longing and wistfulness.
Yes, we see his mournful gaze as Ennis leaves. It reminds me also of his gazing at Ennis departing at the end of the the Dozy Embrace. And of course, we see his final sad look as Ennis leaves him in their last meeting.
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And of course it's one of several occasions when Jack is shown staring after Ennis - it is basically similar each time and includes an element of longing and wistfulness.
How many of these stares do we see? They're repeated a lot (don't forget the pickup truck at end of summer, and the "looks" SNIT, by the stream, etc.). EVERYTIME Jake is able to pull off the same emotionally charged expression. Damn is he good! Someone, somewhere wrote about Jake having "kaleidoscope eyes" and he sure can make them look dreamy when he wants too. I love Heath, but I don't think he could pull off that same look over and over, IMHO. Great casting.
jackster
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At the reunion, and Ennis grabbed Jack and kissed him so intensely, it was FNIT all over again. Jack intiates the contact, Ennis takes over from there. When Ennis introduces Jack to Alma, Jack looks as though he was about to collapse, his head getting lower and lower, Caught off guard by Ennis's kiss, and struggles to regain himself, not very well. After small talk Ennis knew he had to get Jack out of there, Jack couldn't take much more, and neither could he.
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After small talk Ennis knew he had to get Jack out of there, Jack couldn't take much more, and neither could he.
How true, from the SS:
"You got a kid?" said Jack. His shaking hand grazed Ennis's hand, electrical current snapped between them. . . . From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking. . . . . "Please to meet you," said Jack, trembling like a run out horse.
You ever been so excited to be with someone you started shaking? It's only happened to me once, and I'm still with him 30 years later.
jackster
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How true, from the SS:
"You got a kid?" said Jack. His shaking hand grazed Ennis's hand, electrical current snapped between them. . . . From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking. . . . . "Please to meet you," said Jack, trembling like a run out horse.
You ever been so excited to be with someone you started shaking? It's only happened to me once, and I'm still with him 30 years later.
jackster
You're one of the lucky ones. After 10 years, me and my lover lost it. I guess that's why I love this scene so much. It reminds me of how it used to be.
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Here's a couple: How about Jack pulling Ennis's T-shirt so hard in the reunion scene that I thought it would rip. Talk about intensity.
Has anyone noticed that when Jack gets REALLY frustrated he kicks. He kicks the truck in the beginning scene ,and in the fight scene at the end when he shouts at Ennis about *all we got now is Brokeback Mountain!!!* ? He does a little "kick" there too. He also puts his hands on his hips and pushes his coat/shirt back when he's mad. Ennis chews his nails when he's nervous. He also wears the brim of his hat down as he gets older.
And last , it's amazing to watch the dogs doing their jobs with helping herd the sheep.
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You're one of the lucky ones. After 10 years, me and my lover lost it. I guess that's why I love this scene so much. It reminds me of how it used to be.
Thanks manhattangirl and jackster for sharing. I love this scene too -- for similar reasons. :^^)
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Here's a couple: How about Jack pulling Ennis's T-shirt so hard in the reunion scene that I thought it would rip. Talk about intensity.
Has anyone noticed that when Jack gets REALLY frustrated he kicks. He kicks the truck in the beginning scene ,and in the fight scene at the end when he shouts at Ennis about *all we got now is Brokeback Mountain!!!* ? He does a little "kick" there too. He also puts his hands on his hips and pushes his coat/shirt back when he's mad. Ennis chews his nails when he's nervous. He also wears the brim of his hat down as he gets older.
And last , it's amazing to watch the dogs doing their jobs with helping herd the sheep.
The shirt detail is really intense.
Jack kicking... :)
And we do notice that when Ennis is uncomfortable, he "paws" the ground with his foot -- like a restless horse.