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Did Jacks mom know?
« on: Feb 09, 2006, 03:28 AM »
There’s one particular scene I really like...

When Jack’s dad was telling Ennis about jack’s idea with the “texas ranch neighbor “. It was devastating. But during the whole conversation, Jack’s mom was standing next to Ennis and as soon as the angry old man stopped talking, she put her hand on Ennis’s shoulder and told him to visit the room. (I found it very warm comfy feeling although the whole room was full of cold atmosphere)

Mom knows the shirts were there and understand how important to Ennis (I’d like to call her son-in-law) Ok, when the son-in-law of Mrs. Twist came down from Jack’s room. She was kinda relief and hand the paper bag to him without asking.  She even ignored the old man and asked Ennis to come back again. (When I was watching this scene, I felt like a rock on my chest. Didn’t quiet understand why at that moment. But now I think I get it. Mrs.Twist!! You rock!! )

Mr. Ang Lee was right. This movie is about love, a simple love no matter what kind.

I apologize for my poor English writing. I hope you guys didn’t get confused and am always open for any corrections :D
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #1 on: Feb 09, 2006, 11:52 AM »
There’s one particular scene I really like...

When Jack’s dad was telling Ennis about jack’s idea with the “texas ranch neighbor “. It was devastating. But during the whole conversation, Jack’s mom was standing next to Ennis and as soon as the angry old man stopped talking, she put her hand on Ennis’s shoulder and told him to visit the room. (I found it very warm comfy feeling although the whole room was full of cold atmosphere)

Mom knows the shirts were there and understand how important to Ennis (I’d like to call her son-in-law) Ok, when the son-in-law of Mrs. Twist came down from Jack’s room. She was kinda relief and hand the paper bag to him without asking.  She even ignored the old man and asked Ennis to come back again. (When I was watching this scene, I felt like a rock on my chest. Didn’t quiet understand why at that moment. But now I think I get it. Mrs.Twist!! You rock!! )

Mr. Ang Lee was right. This movie is about love, a simple love no matter what kind.

I apologize for my poor English writing. I hope you guys didn’t get confused and am always open for any corrections :D


God, that scene wrecks me. Jack's dad, I swear he did it on purpose, because he knew of the relationship between Ennis and Jack. Did it to demean Ennis & Jack in one fell swoop. (Bastard). But Jack's mom putting her hand on his shoulder is something a caring and compassionate mother who feels a connection with Ennis over Jack would have done, simple gesture, but yet a powerful symbol of connectiveness.
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #2 on: Feb 09, 2006, 11:58 AM »
Must've really wrecked you, Cowboy, you posted twice, hehehehe.  That scene is very powerful.  The more I see it, the more I discover the compassion in Jack's mom.  She's clearly had a less-than-perfect life (look at the dad...eek), plus she's supposed to be Pentocostal, but she gives Ennis all the sympathy she can convey through a few words, touches, smiles.   :'(

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #3 on: Feb 09, 2006, 05:28 PM »
You could see Ennis's embarrassment when Jack's father mentioned about Jack's plan to bring him up and "licked the ranch good" never came to fruition. :-[

It also somehow dawn to me that the Twist family pins all hopes onto that one son. He hated the pressure and fled for his freedom. Sounds like the lost kids in our generation?  :-\
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #4 on: Feb 09, 2006, 05:49 PM »
You could see Ennis's embarrassment when Jack's father mentioned about Jack's plan to bring him up and "licked the ranch good" never came to fruition. :-[

It also somehow dawn to me that the Twist family pins all hopes onto that one son. He hated the pressure and fled for his freedom. Sounds like the lost kids in our generation?  :-\

Even though Jack had an unpleasant childhood, but at the end he still wanted to go back to Lightning Flat and be his folk and take care of them.  :(

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #5 on: Feb 09, 2006, 07:02 PM »
There’s one particular scene I really like...

When Jack’s dad was telling Ennis about jack’s idea with the “texas ranch neighbor “. It was devastating. But during the whole conversation, Jack’s mom was standing next to Ennis and as soon as the angry old man stopped talking, she put her hand on Ennis’s shoulder and told him to visit the room. (I found it very warm comfy feeling although the whole room was full of cold atmosphere)

Mom knows the shirts were there and understand how important to Ennis (I’d like to call her son-in-law) Ok, when the son-in-law of Mrs. Twist came down from Jack’s room. She was kinda relief and hand the paper bag to him without asking.  She even ignored the old man and asked Ennis to come back again. (When I was watching this scene, I felt like a rock on my chest. Didn’t quiet understand why at that moment. But now I think I get it. Mrs.Twist!! You rock!! )

Mr. Ang Lee was right. This movie is about love, a simple love no matter what kind.

I apologize for my poor English writing. I hope you guys didn’t get confused and am always open for any corrections :D


God, that scene wrecks me. Jack's dad, I swear he did it on purpose, because he knew of the relationship between Ennis and Jack. Did it to demean Ennis & Jack in one fell swoop. (Bastard). But Jack's mom putting her hand on his shoulder is something a caring and compassionate mother who feels a connection with Ennis over Jack would have done, simple gesture, but yet a powerful symbol of connectiveness.

Thanks for posting this friends

This is one of the most human scene of the movie, Roberta Maxwell is just overwhelming.  Whent she touches Ennis shoulder, and sends him to Jack bedroom... Her teary eye... Sob!  :'(

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #6 on: Feb 09, 2006, 07:19 PM »
Laudrymat, thanks for the thought. This scene is my partner's favorite because it drew some tears from him. He didn't want to tell me why (so like Ennis)
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #7 on: Feb 09, 2006, 08:12 PM »
Wow!  I was so wrapped up in Ennis' grief, that I never thought that Jack's mom might know the significance of Ennis to Jack....that's very profound.  I'm just now getting intrigued with this scene more than the previous tear-jerker (the final scene with Ennis and Jack and the flashback to the perfect time when they were up on the mountain and all was well).  My mother saw this film after I saw it and told me that this scene when Ennis visited Jack was the most moving scene for her.  She felt sorry for Jack when she realized what a small, sad and difficult life he had come from - the abysmal, dysfunctional father, the horribly sterile house, the dying farm...and yet somehow Jack always had a smile on his face and hope in his heart.
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #8 on: Feb 09, 2006, 09:18 PM »
Laudrymat, thanks for the thought. This scene is my partner's favorite because it drew some tears from him. He didn't want to tell me why (so like Ennis)

I'll bet that bubu, he's a sweetheart just like you!  :-*
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #9 on: Feb 09, 2006, 09:21 PM »
I'll bet that bubu, he's a sweetheart just like you!  :-*

<OT> thank you, Cody. Yes..he just has difficulty of expressing it sometimes.  ;)
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #10 on: Feb 09, 2006, 10:32 PM »
The scene with Jack's mom was the knock out punch for me after Ennis's and Jack's fight.  You could really tell she connectede to Ennis somehow.  They both loved Jack.
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 09, 2006, 10:37 PM »
The scene with Jack's mom was the knock out punch for me after Ennis's and Jack's fight.  You could really tell she connectede to Ennis somehow.  They both loved Jack.


She kind of accepted Ennis being her son in law?  I guess so.

What a great Lady.  I'd like to send her flowers.
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #12 on: Feb 09, 2006, 10:47 PM »
The scene with Jack's mom was the knock out punch for me after Ennis's and Jack's fight.  You could really tell she connectede to Ennis somehow.  They both loved Jack.


She kind of accepted Ennis being her son in law?  I guess so.

What a great Lady.  I'd like to send her flowers.

She completely ignores Jack’s father. As soon as Ennis arrives, she only focuses on him. Offer refreshment; send him to Jack’s room…

If the angry old man was away somewhere, I guess Jack’s mother and her son-in-law would have some pleasant conversations. She likes Ennis before even know him. 
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #13 on: Feb 09, 2006, 10:50 PM »
The scene with Jack's mom was the knock out punch for me after Ennis's and Jack's fight.  You could really tell she connectede to Ennis somehow.  They both loved Jack.


She kind of accepted Ennis being her son in law?  I guess so.

What a great Lady.  I'd like to send her flowers.

She completely ignores Jack’s father. As soon as Ennis arrives, she only focuses on him. Offer refreshment; send him to Jack’s room…

If the angry old man was away somewhere, I guess Jack’s mother and her son-in-law would have some pleasant conversations. She likes Ennis before even know him. 


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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #14 on: Feb 09, 2006, 10:51 PM »
C'mere Chameau - I've got the shoulder for you and some kleenex! :'(
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« Reply #15 on: Feb 09, 2006, 11:00 PM »
C'mere Chameau - I've got the shoulder for you and some kleenex! :'(

It's alright, just alrright, I learned to manage with this.

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« Reply #16 on: Feb 10, 2006, 02:23 AM »
The scene with Jack's mom was the knock out punch for me after Ennis's and Jack's fight.  You could really tell she connectede to Ennis somehow.  They both loved Jack.


She kind of accepted Ennis being her son in law?  I guess so.

What a great Lady.  I'd like to send her flowers.

You can tell, when Ennis drives up, that she's been waiting for him, probably watching out of the window.  When she comes outside to greet him, the old man's likely just sitting inside, glaring at the walls.  Bet she just can't wait until he kicks the bucket.

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She completely ignores Jack’s father. As soon as Ennis arrives, she only focuses on him. Offer refreshment; send him to Jack’s room…

If the angry old man was away somewhere, I guess Jack’s mother and her son-in-law would have some pleasant conversations. She likes Ennis before even know him. 


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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #17 on: Feb 18, 2006, 03:56 PM »
The scene with Jack's mom was the knock out punch for me after Ennis's and Jack's fight.  You could really tell she connectede to Ennis somehow.  They both loved Jack.


She kind of accepted Ennis being her son in law?  I guess so.

What a great Lady.  I'd like to send her flowers.

You can tell, when Ennis drives up, that she's been waiting for him, probably watching out of the window.  When she comes outside to greet him, the old man's likely just sitting inside, glaring at the walls.  Bet she just can't wait until he kicks the bucket.

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She completely ignores Jack’s father. As soon as Ennis arrives, she only focuses on him. Offer refreshment; send him to Jack’s room…

If the angry old man was away somewhere, I guess Jack’s mother and her son-in-law would have some pleasant conversations. She likes Ennis before even know him. 


OK, I've seen the movie and this scene 12 times now. The time before the last, I was going along, enjoying the way the whole thing unfolds inside me now, and when Jack's mother put her hand on Ennis and said "You are welcome to go up to his room, if you want," it felt like the kindest thing any person had ever said to another, and I cried for I don't know what. Like she was saying "You get to have the Jack you want, f**k that old geezer, I will share with you the Jack I have loved forever." I'm crying now thinking of the way she lifts her face ever so slightly....the woman has her dignity and Ennis is her witness. Beautiful, sad, sweet.
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« Reply #18 on: Feb 18, 2006, 04:37 PM »
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I'm crying now thinking of the way she lifts her face ever so slightly....the woman has her dignity and Ennis is her witness. Beautiful, sad, sweet

Sending a virtual shoulder to spread tears on  :'(

I'm crying too  :'( :'( :'(

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« Reply #19 on: Feb 19, 2006, 03:34 PM »
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I'm crying now thinking of the way she lifts her face ever so slightly....the woman has her dignity and Ennis is her witness. Beautiful, sad, sweet

Sending a virtual shoulder to spread tears on  :'(

I'm crying too  :'( :'( :'(

And me too...What a wonderful observation, jrfh  :'( :'( :'(

This just occurred to me - Jack's real reason for going home was always to visit his Mom, not that SOB abusive father who must've been a wife beater as well. (notice how she has her back turned to Mr. Twist and winces and clutches at her collar as he says Jack's ashes are going in the family plot) Jack's idea of bringing Ennis to the ranch wasn't about helping John Sr., it was to ensure that he'd always be there for his Mama. Jack might have been the only person in her life who ever loved her. Keeping Jack's room the same as it was when he was a boy shows she adored him. The pain she must've felt when she found out he'd never be coming back again. No wonder she connected with Ennis and tells him to come back and see them.

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #20 on: Feb 19, 2006, 04:19 PM »
I loved this scene as well. Jack's Mom knew she had met the love of her son's life through all of Enniis' actions, his words, the tears, the thank you as he was leaving. In that meeting, she learned the answer to this silent question in her heart: Was my son ever loved by someone?. She got the answer she was hoping for, and acknowledged her acceptance with a touch on Ennis's shoulder and an invitation for him to return.

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« Reply #21 on: Feb 19, 2006, 05:21 PM »
There’s one particular scene I really like...

When Jack’s dad was telling Ennis about jack’s idea with the “texas ranch neighbor “. It was devastating. But during the whole conversation, Jack’s mom was standing next to Ennis and as soon as the angry old man stopped talking, she put her hand on Ennis’s shoulder and told him to visit the room. (I found it very warm comfy feeling although the whole room was full of cold atmosphere)

Mom knows the shirts were there and understand how important to Ennis (I’d like to call her son-in-law) Ok, when the son-in-law of Mrs. Twist came down from Jack’s room. She was kinda relief and hand the paper bag to him without asking.  She even ignored the old man and asked Ennis to come back again. (When I was watching this scene, I felt like a rock on my chest. Didn’t quiet understand why at that moment. But now I think I get it. Mrs.Twist!! You rock!! )


Mr. Ang Lee was right. This movie is about love, a simple love no matter what kind.

I apologize for my poor English writing. I hope you guys didn’t get confused and am always open for any corrections :D


You are so right, Laundrymat.  The unspoken dialog in that scene is heartbreaking.  Both parents "know" about their son, they have diametrically opposed feelings on the matter, we walk away knowing this, although not one word is spoken of it.  For my money, one of the best scenes on celluloid.
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« Reply #22 on: Feb 19, 2006, 07:02 PM »
Why I keep coming back to this thread  :'(

Each time I just flood my keyboard, thanks for the great postings friends.

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #23 on: Feb 19, 2006, 07:23 PM »
I agree with all of the above..it is a beautifull sceen in all its sadness..

i just keep thinking, if she didn't know who Ennis was and what he ment to Jack then why would she send him up to Jacks room and why would she just let him take the shirts like that. so I think she knew, and she was happy to meet the man her son loved.

she must have known about the shirts, otherwise she would have found them and at least  :) cleaned them
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #24 on: Feb 19, 2006, 07:27 PM »
this scene broke my heart! *sniff*

God bless Jack's mom!! she knew about her son and loved him very much! she hid the shirts in the closet so that when Ennis came, he'd take them! aww such a kind and sweet mother!
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« Reply #25 on: Feb 19, 2006, 07:32 PM »
this scene broke my heart! *sniff*

God bless Jack's mom!! she knew about her son and loved him very much! she hid the shirts in the closet so that when Ennis came, he'd take them! aww such a kind and sweet mother!

I think Jack hid them but she must have seen them, wont believe she never went up there and went through his things... at least after he died...i know I would
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #26 on: Feb 22, 2006, 08:13 PM »
I found this priceless Yahoo review on another BBM board and felt most here would enjoy it.   (relevant to this thread because of the 5th paragraph) It's one of the most beautiful reflections on the film I've yet read.

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My wife and I and our best friends all live in a small town in East Texas. Even though none of us will ever see 65 again we do love to see good movies and we depend on your reviews to help us make our choices. Most of the reviews talked about the visuals and the acting. The one common theme was that you can not leave this movie at the theater it follows you home and that intrigued us.

Last week we drove the two hours to Dallas to see the film. Our first moment of enjoyment was the look on the face of the ticket lady when we asked if the Senior Discount applied to Brokeback. As the movie begins you hear the mournful sound of the train whistle and you sense you are about to go on an amazing journey. And amazing it is. The visuals and the music take you quickly to a place of great beauty, peace, and solitude. The acting is first rate and you swear you actually know Alma, Ennis, Lureen, and Jack just seconds after they appear on the screen. Suffice to say we all four thought the movie was extremely well done and thought provoking.

We would like to give some observations fron the Senior viewpoint. First of all the sexual content of the movie. We were aware of the storyline and somewhat prepared and determined to sit through what ever it was. We all agreed however that we felt more uncomfortable with the sexual acrobatics of Halle Berry in "Monster's Ball" and the straiway scene in "The History of Violence" than the brief tent scenes. And the difference between the first night and the second tells you this is going to be more than drunk sex.

The obvious storyline is about Ennis and Jack but if you can step back and observe and absorb the whole story you will find so many wonderful stories within this story. One real gem is Lureen who proves Texas women don't get older just blonder. Her phone scene with Ennis is just amazing. She is forced to acknowledge that the voice on the other end of the line belongs to the person that owned the piece of her husbands heart that would never be hers. In a split second she has to decide to treat him with contempt or kindness. Anne Hathaway within these few minutes on the screen shows how really talented she is.

In our opinion one of the best parts in the entire movie occur when Ennis goes to the ranch of Jacks parents. Mrs. Twist feels an immediate connection with him and tries to mother him with Cherry cake and coffee. She has heard the name Ennis Del Mar often from Jack and in her heart of hearts she knows WHO he is. In order to confirm her thoughts she invites him to go up to Jacks childhood room knowing what Jack had put in the closet twenty years ago. As Ennis comes back down the stairs she sees the contents in his hand and knows there could be only one other person in the world except Jack that would know the importance of it. The look in her eyes and her small gestures as she hands him the sack is simply heartbreaking. You can almost hear that mother's heart shattered by the loss of a child scream out "I loved my boy Jack and I don't know and I don't care why you were so important to him but I know you were and I love you for it." But all she can actually say is that he is welcome back anytime. You can feel her total isolation as she watches him leave knowing she has just lost another piece of her son's life. Roberta Maxwell as Jacks mother is pure perfection.

If you decide to go see this movie you will get the chance to learn about love, loss, hate, fear, prejudice, loyalty and betrayal.The one single most important lesson is that we all have to make choices in this life. This has to be done with the most honest and truthful heart possible because no one is an island and your choices do and will affect other people.

If you loved it, or if you liked it, or if you thought it was just OK buy the DVD and every five or so years watch it again because the older the eyes the finer the film.

Well worth the money even without the Senior Discount.
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #27 on: Feb 22, 2006, 08:28 PM »
What a beautiful review of the movie.  Thanks for sharring.  Your words brought tears to my eyes again thinking about those scenes.....
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« Reply #28 on: Feb 22, 2006, 10:29 PM »
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In our opinion one of the best parts in the entire movie occur when Ennis goes to the ranch of Jacks parents. Mrs. Twist feels an immediate connection with him and tries to mother him with Cherry cake and coffee. She has heard the name Ennis Del Mar often from Jack and in her heart of hearts she knows WHO he is. In order to confirm her thoughts she invites him to go up to Jacks childhood room knowing what Jack had put in the closet twenty years ago. As Ennis comes back down the stairs she sees the contents in his hand and knows there could be only one other person in the world except Jack that would know the importance of it. The look in her eyes and her small gestures as she hands him the sack is simply heartbreaking. You can almost hear that mother's heart shattered by the loss of a child scream out "I loved my boy Jack and I don't know and I don't care why you were so important to him but I know you were and I love you for it." But all she can actually say is that he is welcome back anytime. You can feel her total isolation as she watches him leave knowing she has just lost another piece of her son's life. Roberta Maxwell as Jacks mother is pure perfection.

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Roberta Maxwell as Jacks mother is pure perfection.

I totally agree, she got me on all 7 viewings.

I'm flooding my keyboard now  :'( :'( :'(

That was such a fine piece of acting, she was real to me.

I wrote it before, when I come back to this thread, I cry like a river.

Thanks for posting glacier1, amazing post indeed.

I agree now, best scene!
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #29 on: Feb 23, 2006, 03:18 AM »
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We all agreed however that we felt more uncomfortable with the sexual acrobatics of Halle Berry in "Monster's Ball" and the straiway scene in "The History of Violence" than the brief tent scenes. And the difference between the first night and the second tells you this is going to be more than drunk sex.

I think that would have been my main consern had I gone with my parents. Akward sitting next to them watching sex scenes, but I guess this is a very good point.

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