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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #30 on: Apr 26, 2006, 08:30 AM »
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #31 on: Apr 30, 2006, 01:40 AM »
I can hear a clear "C'mere" in the stair kiss (always have), but not some of the other things.  I don't trust the captioning, since  on my first viewing I got an error almost immediately:  When Jack yells at Freezing!Ennis to come inside, he says (in book and screenplay) "Quit yer hammerin' and get in here!" but the subtitle is "Quit yer yammerin' and get in here!".  WHY?  I have no idea.  It's like someone said "Forget the screenplay, I'm just gonna guess!"

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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #32 on: Apr 30, 2006, 02:55 AM »
I've decided not to watch the subtitles - it's only going to confuse these issues more!

backtobrokeback - I hear the "c'mere" as Ennis pushes Jack toward the stairwell too (although sometimes I think he says something like "over 'ere" instead?)

MissRed - you're so right about the power of suggestion. Or maybe it's just the power of this love story that makes us want to hear more "sweet nothings" between Ennis and Jack? I'm back to thinking it's three "s'alrights" in the SNIT now - cranked the volume way up this morning on the surround sound and it's definitely Jake's voice all three times.
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #33 on: Apr 30, 2006, 12:33 PM »
Quote from: NoReins on Apr 25, 2006, 02:33 AM
Quote from: Patriot1 on Apr 25, 2006, 01:07 AM

I'm still convinced that Ennis says sorry too - sometimes I hear it once, sometimes twice, but I do hear it. Lots of possible reasons for Ennis being sorry - being rough the night before, ignoring Jack in the morning, pulling away the first twice Jack tries to kiss him? Personally, I think it's mainly the last one with a little bit of "sorry, I don't really know what I'm doing, help me" thrown in....and that makes sense in lights of Jack saying "s'alright" then easing Ennis down beside him and holding him.





I've always heard  it as "sorry" and then the "it's alright" twice. And NoReins, those are the reasons I thought he said it except for the "help me" part. I never thought of it that way- it makes perfect sense Ennis being unsure of himself and Jack right there with reassurance
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2006, 10:57 AM »
I just saw a Youtube video which seems to have the audio in the SNIT scene enhanced and the "I'm sorry" line was clearly heard spoken by Jack.
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2006, 11:11 AM »
But why would Jack say "I'm sorry"?
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2006, 11:27 AM »
Quote from: keren_b on May 02, 2006, 11:11 AM
But why would Jack say "I'm sorry"?

keren, that's why I'm so sure now that it's three "s'alrights". There is no reason for Jack to apologise, so if it's definitely Jake's voice (which I think it is - and I'm sure I can see his lips move too) then it must just be another "s'alright" (which sounds very close to sorry anyway)
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2006, 11:37 AM »
Quote from: NoReins on May 02, 2006, 11:27 AM
Quote from: keren_b on May 02, 2006, 11:11 AM
But why would Jack say "I'm sorry"?

keren, that's why I'm so sure now that it's three "s'alrights". There is no reason for Jack to apologise, so if it's definitely Jake's voice (which I think it is - and I'm sure I can see his lips move too) then it must just be another "s'alright" (which sounds very close to sorry anyway)


Nope, I would bet "I'm sorry.....I'm so sorry." was said.  And, I, like keren, have to ask the question, what does Jack have to be sorry for.  And, why is it you can see Jack's lips move when he says, "It's alright" but nowhere else if he was the one to say "I'm sorry?"  And, if he did say, "I'm sorry", why would he answer himself with, "It's alright"?



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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2006, 10:12 PM »
I hear Ennis say I'm sorry in the second scene.  I had to watch his lips as well as concentrate on it.  But after a million times watching it I see something new every time.  It is like I am ingesting this film.  I am insane.
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2006, 10:29 PM »
Quote from: Silk on May 02, 2006, 10:12 PM
I hear Ennis say I'm sorry in the second scene.  I had to watch his lips as well as concentrate on it.  But after a million times watching it I see something new every time.  It is like I am ingesting this film.  I am insane.


Ditto! I spotted this first time in a theater,  I'm insane too BTW  :P
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2006, 10:52 PM »
Quote from: keren_b on May 02, 2006, 11:11 AM
But why would Jack say "I'm sorry"?

Maybe he was apologising for coming on to Ennis the night before.
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2006, 10:55 PM »
I heard Sorry. It's in the subtitles too, therefore its there. End of story for me ! ahah!

Ennis says it, the end. *plugs ears to any who disagrees* haha im so stubborn LOL!  ;)  ;D
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2006, 07:58 AM »
Quote from: greenfrog on May 02, 2006, 10:52 PM
Quote from: keren_b on May 02, 2006, 11:11 AM
But why would Jack say "I'm sorry"?

Maybe he was apologising for coming on to Ennis the night before.

I don't think he should apologize for that... I'm sure he's not sorry about it anyway - now when he knows that Ennis wants that too.
I'm pretty sure the "I'm sorry" was there, it's also in the Hebrew subtitles, but it seems to me more reasonable that Ennis would say it, not Jack. my only problem is, then, that I don't see Ennis' lips moving at all.
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2006, 09:47 AM »
Quote from: keren_b on May 03, 2006, 07:58 AM
I'm pretty sure the "I'm sorry" was there, it's also in the Hebrew subtitles, but it seems to me more reasonable that Ennis would say it, not Jack. my only problem is, then, that I don't see Ennis' lips moving at all.

But you also don't see Jack's lips move either.  Ennis' mouth is slit open just a little, enough to breathe words out of without moving his lips.

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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2006, 10:42 AM »
Quote from: Patriot1 on May 03, 2006, 09:47 AM
Quote from: keren_b on May 03, 2006, 07:58 AM
I'm pretty sure the "I'm sorry" was there, it's also in the Hebrew subtitles, but it seems to me more reasonable that Ennis would say it, not Jack. my only problem is, then, that I don't see Ennis' lips moving at all.

But you also don't see Jack's lips move either.  Ennis' mouth is slit open just a little, enough to breathe words out of without moving his lips.


But that's just it - I thought I did see Jack's lips move at the first sorry/s'alright.

I will have to go and watch this again...and sit as close to the tv as I can. The things we have to do, eh? ::) ;)
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2006, 10:47 AM »
Quote from: NoReins on May 03, 2006, 10:42 AM
Quote from: Patriot1 on May 03, 2006, 09:47 AM
Quote from: keren_b on May 03, 2006, 07:58 AM
I'm pretty sure the "I'm sorry" was there, it's also in the Hebrew subtitles, but it seems to me more reasonable that Ennis would say it, not Jack. my only problem is, then, that I don't see Ennis' lips moving at all.

But you also don't see Jack's lips move either.  Ennis' mouth is slit open just a little, enough to breathe words out of without moving his lips.


But that's just it - I thought I did see Jack's lips move at the first sorry/s'alright.

I will have to go and watch this again...and sit as close to the tv as I can. The things we have to do, eh? ::) ;)

Ennis definitely whisper ''Sorry'' I noticed first in Theatres, put the subtitles on, it's there and it's Ennis.
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2006, 10:51 AM »
Quote from: chameau on May 03, 2006, 10:47 AM
Quote from: NoReins on May 03, 2006, 10:42 AM
Quote from: Patriot1 on May 03, 2006, 09:47 AM
Quote from: keren_b on May 03, 2006, 07:58 AM
I'm pretty sure the "I'm sorry" was there, it's also in the Hebrew subtitles, but it seems to me more reasonable that Ennis would say it, not Jack. my only problem is, then, that I don't see Ennis' lips moving at all.

But you also don't see Jack's lips move either.  Ennis' mouth is slit open just a little, enough to breathe words out of without moving his lips.


But that's just it - I thought I did see Jack's lips move at the first sorry/s'alright.

I will have to go and watch this again...and sit as close to the tv as I can. The things we have to do, eh? ::) ;)

Ennis definitely whisper ''Sorry'' I noticed first in Theatres, put the subtitles on, it's there and it's Ennis.

cham, I thought that for ages too, but since I got my dvd, I really do believe it's just 3 "s'alright"'s from Jack. As has been discussed elsewhere, the subtitles are not always right...
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2006, 10:54 AM »
This is one thing I concentrated on many times in Theaters and now on DVD, I swear, he says it!  Heath added here and there some lines that are not on the screenplay, like ''Jake I cannot stand this anymore'' on their last encounter.
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2006, 02:12 PM »
Quote from: chameau on May 03, 2006, 10:54 AM
This is one thing I concentrated on many times in Theaters and now on DVD, I swear, he says it!  Heath added here and there some lines that are not on the screenplay, like ''Jake I cannot stand this anymore'' on their last encounter.

subtitles say he does...
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2006, 06:14 PM »
Quote from: Frog123 on May 03, 2006, 02:12 PM
Quote from: chameau on May 03, 2006, 10:54 AM
This is one thing I concentrated on many times in Theaters and now on DVD, I swear, he says it!  Heath added here and there some lines that are not on the screenplay, like ''Jake I cannot stand this anymore'' on their last encounter.

subtitles say he does...

And I heard it...
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2006, 08:43 PM »
I watched the movie again tonight, and I am pretty sure I hear I am sorry and its allright..I had the volume all the way turned up..so I think I heard it..next time I will put the subtitles on and see what it says
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2006, 09:57 AM »
well, after watching the movie 8 times and reading the subtitles, I could have sworn I heard Ennis say 'I'm sorry' and Jack 'it's alright, it's alright, come lay down'
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #52 on: Aug 30, 2007, 04:42 PM »
i can't hear it, but the sound is poor on my laptop. but it is in the subtitles as
E: Sorry
Jack: It's alright, it's alright
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Re: Does anyone hear "Sorry"?
« Reply #53 on: Apr 09, 2012, 09:27 PM »
While watching on the laptop for the first time I heard come here and I heard the sorry also from the both that I could tell.Then Jack saying its ok.I think Ennis was saying sorry for what he said to Jack on the mountain after they spent the night together.I think Ennis was really having feelings for Jack.I love that scene.
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