Author Topic: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler) (Read 521815 times)

NoReins · « **Reply #120 on:** May 17, 2006, 03:40 AM »

I don't like Randall either - I'd much prefer it if that wasn't in the movie. Mexico I can cope with because it meant nothing to Jack, other than physical pleasure, but Randall was different - nothing should come between Jack and Ennis.

stacp · « **Reply #121 on:** May 17, 2006, 07:29 AM »

Quote from: NoReins on May 17, 2006, 03:40 AM

I don't like Randall either - I'd much prefer it if that wasn't in the movie. Mexico I can cope with because it meant nothing to Jack, other than physical pleasure, but Randall was different - nothing should come between Jack and Ennis.

Yes, I agree. To ease the pain, I always picture Jack pulling down Randall's cowboy hat ove his face and screaming Ennis' name while he's with Randall.

Randall was nothing but a poor substitute for Ennis.

Italian_Dude · « **Reply #122 on:** May 17, 2006, 07:38 AM »

Well not a scene.. but i'd rather Jack didnt die and they ended up together forever.. "happily ever after.." lol

but that couldnt be because then it wouldn't be Brokeback Mountain, and it wouldnt have made such an impact.

greenfrog · « **Reply #123 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:59 PM »

Quote from: twist_mar25 on May 17, 2006, 03:29 AM

Ditto. I don't like Randall. :-\ Jack and Ennis forever.

Greetings

I liked LaShawn. I don't know why, I just like her.

boo_boo · « **Reply #124 on:** May 18, 2006, 03:54 PM »

I don't know why but I feel like the Cassie scenes are just throwaways. I can't connect with them at all except maybe the one where Ennis is alone eating pie. Other than that one, I usually fast forward thru them.

donnaread · « **Reply #125 on:** May 18, 2006, 04:04 PM »

Quote from: greenfrog on May 17, 2006, 08:59 PM

I liked LaShawn. I don't know why, I just like her.

I ADORE LaShawn. She's a riot!. I love when she's telling Jack about "that darn pickup" just love the way she says that, and Jack is just looking at her with the cutest "tolerant" smile, lol. Love it!

Donna

donnaread · « **Reply #126 on:** May 18, 2006, 04:10 PM »

The scene I hate the worse is when Jack trys to pick up the rodeo clown

. I think its because I can't stand to see Jack shot down. And that DAMN bartender! He just saw Jack get shot down and what does he say? "You ever try calf roping?" I think there was a "double entendre". In other words, you can't rope a man, either!

Donna

donnaread · « **Reply #127 on:** May 18, 2006, 04:29 PM »

Quote from: lamusica on May 16, 2006, 12:30 PM

Quote from: stationbbm on Jan 04, 2006, 09:12 PM
Coyote: Let me just affirm to you. I live in the heart of cowboy-dom in Fort Worth, Texas. They DO NOT yee-haw, particularly in the fashion that Mr. Gyllenhaal tried so nobly to imitate but fell desperately short. I concur. His yee-hawing was not at all a realistic reaction. I just wonder how many takes Lee made him go through...and finally shook his head and said, "Whatever" Then again, perhaps Lee doesn't really have much familiarization with how cowboys playfully react....It's the only part of the film that I really do cringe when he does that.

stationbbm

I don't think Jack was trying to be authentic. He was making fun of the stereotype of the rodeo rider. He's a cut up, just having fun. He would never say Yee-haw himself, but was acting crazy to prove Ennis's Pa was right when he said rodeo riders were all .....-ups.

I don't care whether they YEE HAW in Texas or not...I love this scene. Jack's so cute, and it DOES make Ennis smile. He pushes Jack down when he says "Tired of your dumbass missing" Then when Jack tells him they have to get a move on to avoid the Game & Fish people, Ennis gives Jack a little slap, but you can't see where it lands...his arm...his butt?

Donna

stacp · « **Reply #128 on:** May 18, 2006, 07:31 PM »

Quote from: greenfrog on May 17, 2006, 08:59 PM

Quote from: twist_mar25 on May 17, 2006, 03:29 AM
Ditto. I don't like Randall. :-\ Jack and Ennis forever.

Greetings

I liked LaShawn. I don't know why, I just like her.

I think she's hysterical. I think we like her because we know she's no threat to Ennis and Jack. Girl is like a little yappie terrier.

Sunflower79 · « **Reply #129 on:** May 18, 2006, 07:35 PM »

I agree I don't like the scenes with Randell either...his character gives me the creeps..something just seems off..or maybe his character just rubs me the wrong way..

I also don't like the flashback Ennis has of Jack being killed..its so sad :'(
or after the divorce and he is all sad..its so heartbreaking

CrimsonSky · « **Reply #130 on:** May 18, 2006, 07:54 PM »

Quote from: stacp on May 18, 2006, 07:31 PM

Quote from: greenfrog on May 17, 2006, 08:59 PM
Quote from: twist_mar25 on May 17, 2006, 03:29 AM
Ditto. I don't like Randall. :-\ Jack and Ennis forever.

Greetings

I liked LaShawn. I don't know why, I just like her.

I think she's hysterical. I think we like her because we know she's no threat to Ennis and Jack. Girl is like a little yappie terrier.

Her line "Randall wouldn't listen to me if he was going deaf tomorrow" always makes me laugh

I actually said the same thing about my daughter the other day :o

Gyllenhaalic · « **Reply #131 on:** Jul 20, 2006, 01:56 PM »

Quote from: greenfrog on May 17, 2006, 08:59 PM

I liked LaShawn. I don't know why, I just like her.

I like LaShawn, too.

She's so darn cute. For some reason I like when she says, "Our husbands don't seem the least bit interested in dancing!" and "Thank you for asking me to dance with you, Randall never does!"

Quote from: Sunflower79 on May 18, 2006, 07:35 PM

I agree I don't like the scenes with Randell either...his character gives me the creeps..something just seems off..or maybe his character just rubs me the wrong way..

I agree, Randall bugs me, too $:-\\$ I dont care for his little stares he gives Jack every so often at the table.... dont like how he gets the way of Ennis and Jack.... just don't like him at all. Like someone else said.... Mexico I can can tolerate because it means nothing to Jack, it's just a way to fulfill a sexual need.... but Randall is an invidual who seems to be trying to hone in on some kind of relationship with Jack.

welshwitch · « **Reply #132 on:** Jul 20, 2006, 02:01 PM »

I don't like all those scenes in the room over the laundrette, becaue evey day i spend half my waking hours on here my house gets to look more and more like that apartment.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #133 on:** Jul 20, 2006, 02:28 PM »

Who could blame Randall for taking that opportunity? He's nothing compared to that Damn Aguirre spying on the boys. Then approaches Jack about a sick uncle. Was this a real story or just an excuse to get rid of the boys? I go with the latter.

FulOfSadness · « **Reply #134 on:** Jul 20, 2006, 04:18 PM »

Its gotta be the Biker/fairground scene. I don't like obscene use of words,and i just feel that the scene was pointless and not well done, They should of took it out and put in more of Ennis and Jack together,IMO.

Diana · « **Reply #135 on:** Jul 20, 2006, 04:34 PM »

I didn't like the "not so lonely now"-scene with Ennis and Alma at all. There has been lots of discussion about La Shawns person, too. I have to admit, that I found her somehow "refreshing" in that otherwise heavy athmosphere

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aintfoolin · « **Reply #136 on:** Jul 21, 2006, 06:09 AM »

LaShawn? PPLLLEEAASSEE!

Rosie · « **Reply #137 on:** Jul 21, 2006, 06:36 AM »

I don't like the scene where Jack is demonstrating a machine to some farmers and two of them in the office with Lureen say 'didn't that piss-ant used to ride the bulls?' and 'he used to try' I just hate that. Poor Jack. But then again it's scenes like that and the one with the clown that make me love Ennis all the more. HE appreciated Jack, and you can see that in a life where his even his sons teacher doesn't like him, he is a haven for Jack when they are together.

BTW don't exactly know what a piss-ant is. I doubt it's a drunk ant! Maybe a streak of p*** whatever it is JACK IS NOT ONE!

CrimsonSky · « **Reply #138 on:** Jul 21, 2006, 07:23 AM »

Quote from: FulOfSadness on Jul 20, 2006, 04:18 PM

Its gotta be the Biker/fairground scene. I don't like obscene use of words,and i just feel that the scene was pointless and not well done, They should of took it out and put in more of Ennis and Jack together,IMO.

I can see why you don't like the scene, cause it's not exactly pleasant to watch, but I don't agree that it's pointless. I think it illustrates very well the sort of person Ennis was, and how he struggled to cope with the world around him. He's trying to be a regular family guy,taking his wife and kids out for a special occasion, even though he hates social events like that, and we see the side of him that wants to do the right thing,all the people around the bikers are obviously offended and intimidated by the bikers, but Ennis is the only one with the guts to tell them to pack it in. Junior and Jenny are too small to really understand what the bikers are saying, so when Ennis tells them to keep it down cause of his girls, it's not just about them, he's speaking for everyone there. We also see how Ennis will only tolerate so much,trying to keep control of himself, but with the violent side of him simmering away quietly until it finally becomes to much, and he explodes in a violent rage. Also, if you look closesly, it's the biker's comment about Ennis not giving it to his wife after the kids were born, that is the trigger that sets him off, you see Alma look nervously at him too, it's clear that she knows the biker's hit a nerve.The biker's comment probably made Ennis feel that paranoia he has about people suspecting, cause his and Alma's sex life clearly isn't particularly satisfying for either of them so, in a way, that scene is about Ennis and Jack, even though Jack isn't there,or even mentioned. In fact, just about every non-Ennis and Jack scene is about the two of them on some level, cause their whole lives are defined by their relationship, and the hardships they endure because of it. Of course, I wish there had been more scenes of Ennis and Jack together (the whole movie could be Ennis and Jack together, and it still wouldn't be enough for me!

), but as someone summed it up perfectly in another thread, by not seeing enough Ennis and Jack on screen, we get a real sense of what it was like for them, to never have enough time with each other

NoReins · « **Reply #139 on:** Jul 21, 2006, 07:27 AM »

Quote from: CrimsonSky on Jul 21, 2006, 07:23 AM

Quote from: FulOfSadness on Jul 20, 2006, 04:18 PM
Its gotta be the Biker/fairground scene. I don't like obscene use of words,and i just feel that the scene was pointless and not well done, They should of took it out and put in more of Ennis and Jack together,IMO.

I can see why you don't like the scene, cause it's not excatly pleasant to watch, but I don't agree that it's pointless. I think it illustrates very well the sort of person Ennis was, and how he struggled to cope with the world around him. He's trying to be a regular family guy,taking his wife and kids out for a special occasion, even though he hates social events like that, and we see the side of him that wants to do the right thing,all the people around the bikers are obviously offended and intimidated by the bikers, but Ennis is the only one with the guts to tell them to pack it in. Junior and Jenny are too small to really understand what the bikers are saying, so when Ennis tells them to keep it down cause of his girls, it's not just about then, he's speaking for everyone there. We also see how Ennis will only tolerate so much,trying to keep control of himself, but with the violent side of him simmering away quietly until it finally becomes to much, and he explodes in a violent rage. Also, if you look closesly, it's the biker's comment about Ennis not giving it to his wife after the kids were born, that is the trigger that sets him off, you see Alma look nervously at him too, it's clear that she knows the biker's hit a nerve.The biker's comment probably made Ennis feel that paranoia he has about people suspecting, cause his and Alma's sex life clearly isn't particularly satisfying for euther of them so, in a way, that scene is about Ennis and Jack, even though Jack isn't there,or even mentioned. In fact, just about every non-Ennis and Jack scene is about the two of them on some level, cause their whole lives are defined by their relationship, and the hardships they endure because of it. Of course, I wish there had been more scenes of Ennis and Jack together (the whole movie could be Ennis and Jack together, and it still wouldn't be enough for me! ), but as someone summed it up perfectly in another thread, by not seeing enough Ennis and Jack on screen, we get a real sense of what it was like for them, to never have enough time with each other

Brilliantly put CS, especially the bit about what makes Ennis explode in that scene. I'd never really noticed before what it was that made him lash out, just thought he was building up to it through the whole scene but now that you mention it, I think you're right.

CrimsonSky · « **Reply #140 on:** Jul 21, 2006, 07:50 AM »

Quote from: NoReins on Jul 21, 2006, 07:27 AM

Brilliantly put CS, especially the bit about what makes Ennis explode in that scene. I'd never really noticed before what it was that made him lash out, just thought he was building up to it through the whole scene but now that you mention it, I think you're right.

Thanks NoReins

Of course, it's only my opinion, but I definitely get the feeling that it's the biker's apparent slur on Ennis's masculinity that tips him over the edge, and makes him feel he has to prove he's a "real man". I also have to say, as much as I abhor violence, the way he takes out the two bikers singlehanded is pretty impressive!

monicita · « **Reply #141 on:** Jul 21, 2006, 09:42 AM »

CS, I also like what you wrote very much! I would like to add, that not seeing more of Jack and Ennis together, but always wanting them to be together is what makes the movie so poignant.

monicita

stacp · « **Reply #142 on:** Jul 21, 2006, 12:43 PM »

Quote from: aintfoolin on Jul 20, 2006, 02:28 PM

Who could blame Randall for taking that opportunity? He's nothing compared to that Damn Aguirre spying on the boys. Then approaches Jack about a sick uncle. Was this a real story or just an excuse to get rid of the boys? I go with the latter.

I always thought Aguirre made up that story about Jack's uncle so he could watch the boys go at it. He probably gave Jack daily "updates" about his uncle, like "Jack, your uncle turned a shade paler today. Now, could you boys go at it outside the tent today?"

jesseanne21 · « **Reply #143 on:** Jul 21, 2006, 02:22 PM »

Quote from: Rosie on Jul 21, 2006, 06:36 AM

I don't like the scene where Jack is demonstrating a machine to some farmers and two of them in the office with Lureen say 'didn't that piss-ant used to ride the bulls?' and 'he used to try' I just hate that. Poor Jack. But then again it's scenes like that and the one with the clown that make me love Ennis all the more. HE appreciated Jack, and you can see that in a life where his even his sons teacher doesn't like him, he is a haven for Jack when they are together.

BTW don't exactly know what a piss-ant is. I doubt it's a drunk ant! Maybe a streak of p*** whatever it is JACK IS NOT ONE!

I really hate that scene, too...especially when Lureen doesn't stand up for Jack.

A pissant is a small red ant. It's bite is REALLY painful and annoying (makes a bump and itches like hell). It also means a person who is kind of petty or a complainer. I love Jack but he did complain a lot.

Toadily · « **Reply #144 on:** Jul 21, 2006, 02:26 PM »

all the scenes seem key to telling the story though. I mean the clown pick up scene sets up for his marrying Lureen so quickly. Stuff like that.

Gyllenhaalic · « **Reply #145 on:** Jul 21, 2006, 10:07 PM »

I don't really like the picking up Jimbo the clown scene, either

I hate seeing Jack humiliated like that and I hate how the bartender is such a jerk. "You ever try calf-roping?"

Ugh.

lamusica · « **Reply #146 on:** Jul 23, 2006, 01:56 PM »

Well, somebody has to defend Randall, so why not me? I think maybe Randall had a man-love of his own that, for one reason or another, did not play out too well. Maybe he was like Jack and Ennis -- he couldn't really be with the one he loved. In that case, he was just looking for some love from someone. He sensed Jack's inner lonliness and took a chance with him. I don't think Randall was scudsy or a letch. I prefer to think he was just a guy with some unmet needs and took a chance on finding a new love, or at least a new "buddy". In Jack's present frame of mind, the idea took root. Jack was so lonely he could hardly stand it. Having Randall in his life was certainly preferable to having meaningless, hired sex, IMHO.

stacp · « **Reply #147 on:** Jul 23, 2006, 04:05 PM »

Quote from: lamusica on Jul 23, 2006, 01:56 PM

Well, somebody has to defend Randall, so why not me? I think maybe Randall had a man-love of his own that, for one reason or another, did not play out too well. Maybe he was like Jack and Ennis -- he couldn't really be with the one he loved. In that case, he was just looking for some love from someone. He sensed Jack's inner lonliness and took a chance with him. I don't think Randall was scudsy or a letch. I prefer to think he was just a guy with some unmet needs and took a chance on finding a new love, or at least a new "buddy". In Jack's present frame of mind, the idea took root. Jack was so lonely he could hardly stand it. Having Randall in his life was certainly preferable to having meaningless, hired sex, IMHO.

That's certainly a fresh take on Ol' Randall. We really don't know enough about him to get a feel for who he is and where he is coming from. The thing that just turned me off to Randall was his meet-Jack- an- hour ago- and-then-ask-for-sex routine. He almost treated Jack like some hooker IMO. I don't know, it just seemed so cheesy to me. But, I'll try to cut Randall some slack. Maybe he does have his own Ennis out there.

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #148 on:** Jul 23, 2006, 04:16 PM »

Quote from: Gyllenhaalic on Jul 21, 2006, 10:07 PM

I don't really like the picking up Jimbo the clown scene, either I hate seeing Jack humiliated like that and I hate how the bartender is such a jerk. "You ever try calf-roping?" Ugh.

This is the scene I regularly skip over on the DVD. I don't like Jimbo. Even if he didn't want to be picked up by Jack he could have been a little nicer. After all, Jack was throwing some very nice compliments in his direction. I have had the same thing happen to me. Even though I wasn't interested, I wasn't about to be rude to someone who was trying to compliment me.

As for the scene with Randall, I choose to believe he was looking for something more than just a sex pickup. I think he was every bit as lonely for what he really needed as Jack was. I can't label this scene as a bad one.

BBBOY · « **Reply #149 on:** Jul 23, 2006, 04:21 PM »

Quote from: stacp on Jul 23, 2006, 04:05 PM

Quote from: lamusica on Jul 23, 2006, 01:56 PM
Well, somebody has to defend Randall, so why not me? I think maybe Randall had a man-love of his own that, for one reason or another, did not play out too well. Maybe he was like Jack and Ennis -- he couldn't really be with the one he loved. In that case, he was just looking for some love from someone. He sensed Jack's inner lonliness and took a chance with him. I don't think Randall was scudsy or a letch. I prefer to think he was just a guy with some unmet needs and took a chance on finding a new love, or at least a new "buddy". In Jack's present frame of mind, the idea took root. Jack was so lonely he could hardly stand it. Having Randall in his life was certainly preferable to having meaningless, hired sex, IMHO.

That's certainly a fresh take on Ol' Randall. We really don't know enough about him to get a feel for who he is and where he is coming from. The thing that just turned me off to Randall was his meet-Jack- an- hour ago- and-then-ask-for-sex routine. He almost treated Jack like some hooker IMO. I don't know, it just seemed so cheesy to me. But, I'll try to cut Randall some slack. Maybe he does have his own Ennis out there.

Stacp, the scene was exactly as it would have been for two gay men looking to find other gay men back in that time period. On the East coast and West coast the gay world was more open but in middle America of the 70's gay men still had to dance a careful dance and sometimes you didn't really know what you were asking for other than some kind of connection, sexual or otherwise. Randall and Jack play it very cautious in this scene just as they would have in real life. The gaydar was up and going off but they still had to go careful.

Author Topic: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler) (Read 521815 times)

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