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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #150 on: Jul 23, 2006, 04:37 PM »
I would probably say i could live without the firework scene.It's not really that i dislike it,but more that if it wasn't there i don't think it would make a difference to the story.I know it's to portray Ennis' anger etc but i already had the measure of Ennis without it.So i would pick this scene.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #151 on: Jul 23, 2006, 05:56 PM »
The thing that just turned me off to Randall was his meet-Jack- an- hour ago- and-then-ask-for-sex routine.  He almost treated Jack like some hooker IMO.

Guess you have never been to a gay bar. It happens every night. That is why the last hour before closing is known as "the desperate hour".

Don't judge Randall for that. And he shouldn't be judged for trying to pick up Jack and come between Jack and Ennis. Randall didn't know about Ennis.

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #152 on: Jul 23, 2006, 06:01 PM »
This is the scene I regularly skip over on the DVD.  I don't like Jimbo.  Even if he didn't want to be picked up by Jack he could have been a little nicer.  After all, Jack was throwing some very nice compliments in his direction.  I have had the same thing happen to me.  Even though I wasn't interested, I wasn't about to be rude to someone who was trying to compliment me.

Yah, but CSC, you are not a homophobe. And to a homophobe the compliments don't mean much. They are just flattery with a goal.

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #153 on: Jul 23, 2006, 06:11 PM »
This is the scene I regularly skip over on the DVD.  I don't like Jimbo.  Even if he didn't want to be picked up by Jack he could have been a little nicer.  After all, Jack was throwing some very nice compliments in his direction.  I have had the same thing happen to me.  Even though I wasn't interested, I wasn't about to be rude to someone who was trying to compliment me.

Yah, but CSC, you are not a homophobe. And to a homophobe the compliments don't mean much. They are just flattery with a goal.

Interesting point.  However I can recognize flattery with a goal. I guess homophobes like Jimbo never think a brush off can be done with manners. *o)
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #154 on: Jul 23, 2006, 07:11 PM »
Yah, but CSC, you are not a homophobe. And to a homophobe the compliments don't mean much. They are just flattery with a goal.

Interesting point.  However I can recognize flattery with a goal. I guess homophobes like Jimbo never think a brush off can be done with manners. *o)

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #155 on: Jul 23, 2006, 07:44 PM »
The thing that just turned me off to Randall was his meet-Jack- an- hour ago- and-then-ask-for-sex routine.  He almost treated Jack like some hooker IMO.

Guess you have never been to a gay bar. It happens every night. That is why the last hour before closing is known as "the desperate hour".

Don't judge Randall for that. And he shouldn't be judged for trying to pick up Jack and come between Jack and Ennis. Randall didn't know about Ennis.



Yes, I have been to a gay bar.  My comment had nothing to do with whether Randall was gay or not.  He could have been a she and I would say she was acting like a player for coming on to Jack like that.  It happens every night in straight bars, too, and it doesn't, IMO, make it any more tasteful.  It's just a matter of taste is what I was trying to say. 

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #156 on: Jul 23, 2006, 10:04 PM »
Off topic maybe?   :-X    We are now going go back to the scheduled program...  thank you!   8)
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #157 on: Jul 23, 2006, 10:06 PM »
The Fireworks scene, I just don't know how much it lends to the story, except to show his anger. However, I am not sure that that particular scene is needed esp. from Ennis who is a man of few words and actions.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #158 on: Jul 24, 2006, 12:46 AM »
I think the fireworks scene also is put in to show Ennis' care and love for his babies.  He wants to protect them, including Alma, from the crude language of the bikers.  It also shows his quick temper.  I think it helps develope the character of Ennis. Also, at this point in the story, Ennis still takes his family out for some entertainment.  Later, after the reunion scene with Jack, he doesn't do that anymore.  When Alma wants to go to the church picnic, he refuses.   Perhaps that's his guilt working within him.  He denies himself any social contacts, outside of his family, because he can't openly have any kind of contact with Jack. ?????

     The scene I don't care for is when Ennis drops the girls off at the store while Alma is working.  Again, it shows Ennis's ability to get Alma to do what he wants, but I can see no other purpose for that scene.  I could easily have done without it.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #159 on: Jul 24, 2006, 01:01 AM »
     The scene I don't care for is when Ennis drops the girls off at the store while Alma is working.  Again, it shows Ennis's ability to get Alma to do what he wants, but I can see no other purpose for that scene.  I could easily have done without it.

I think it showed that Ennis was always there for his boss so when he asked for time off to be with Jack his boss would say yes.

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #160 on: Jul 24, 2006, 02:41 AM »
     The scene I don't care for is when Ennis drops the girls off at the store while Alma is working.  Again, it shows Ennis's ability to get Alma to do what he wants, but I can see no other purpose for that scene.  I could easily have done without it.

I think it showed that Ennis was always there for his boss so when he asked for time off to be with Jack his boss would say yes.



Or maybe to show the difference between his relationship with Alma and his relationship with Jack? With Alma, he tells her that he has to go to his job, whereas with Jack he's happy to take off into the mountains regardless of what his foreman would say...
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #161 on: Jul 24, 2006, 10:27 AM »
I don't like the scene where Jack is demonstrating a machine to some farmers and two of them in the office with Lureen say 'didn't that piss-ant used to ride the bulls?' and 'he used to try' I just hate that. Poor Jack. But then again it's scenes like that and the one with the clown that make me love Ennis all the more. HE appreciated Jack, and you can see that in a life where his even his sons teacher doesn't like him, he is a haven for Jack when they are together.

BTW don't exactly know what a piss-ant is. I doubt it's a drunk ant! Maybe a streak of p*** whatever it is JACK IS NOT ONE!  %(

I really hate that scene, too...especially when Lureen doesn't stand up for Jack.

 *o) A pissant is a small red ant.  It's bite is REALLY painful and annoying (makes a bump and itches like hell).  It also means a person who is kind of petty or a complainer.  I love Jack but he did complain a lot.  <^(

Jesseanne, Sorry for the delay in thanking you for informing me what a pissant is. I know it's only a small thing but it drives me mad when I don't exactly know what they mean!  ^f^
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #162 on: Jul 24, 2006, 10:44 AM »
     The scene I don't care for is when Ennis drops the girls off at the store while Alma is working.  Again, it shows Ennis's ability to get Alma to do what he wants, but I can see no other purpose for that scene.  I could easily have done without it.

I think it showed that Ennis was always there for his boss so when he asked for time off to be with Jack his boss would say yes.



Or maybe to show the difference between his relationship with Alma and his relationship with Jack? With Alma, he tells her that he has to go to his job, whereas with Jack he's happy to take off into the mountains regardless of what his foreman would say...

Good point, Lindsay ... He puts work before Alma, and in the early years, Jack before both work and Alma.  Later on as his responsibilities grow he can't be as cavalier about quitting jobs at moments notice.  That's more for the girls sake and for his pride, I think, not a reflective of caring less about Jack as time goes on.  Has to be try to provide for his girls, making child support payments to Alma on time a matter of pride for him after the divorce, while he wasn't so concerned about how well he supported his family when they were together it seems ... confusing ...  :s) 

This scene, not one of my favourites either, but says a lot about the nature of Ennis and Alma's relationship.  He doesn't seem to give much value to Alma's obligations at work.  Drops the girls off and heads out without a backward look.

Also sets up Monroe's interest in Alma.  Not much of a surprise later on when she ends up married to him. 

My least favourite scene, don't know, but one that always makes me cringe is Ennis yelling at Alma when she's off to work an extra evening shift at the store.  He's flying off the handle, cussing and kicking that bucket (geez, really kicking the bucket  :P ) with the girls in the swing right there.  Ennis don't look right ....  ::)    Know it's meant to show the relationship getting strained, but seems nasty to be like that in front of his children.  Maybe that's to show that it is better for the kids when Ennis and Alma finally divorce ...

oh, ah dunno .... 
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #163 on: Jul 24, 2006, 03:28 PM »
Judging from the kids' reaction when Ennis is yelling after Alma, he must have done that plenty of times before.  The kids are not shocked or crying.  They are used to the yelling.  By that time, things were getting bad, but it's still a few years before the divorce, judging from the girls' ages in that scene --  about 7 and 9 or so.
    You may be right about the store scene, but I think it shows Ennis anger point.  He is not going to back down.  Is he really going to work, or is he going to meet Jack?  On a different thread, it was suggested that this scene was meant to accompany another scene, the one with both Ennis and Jack in the pick-up truck heading out, which was left out of the final cut.  If that's the case, it shows us a lot more about Ennis' cavalier attitude towards his wife - do what he wants and let the chips lie where they fall.
    I realize the scene introduces the grocer. and that could be why Ang left it in the film.
    It still disturbs me more than any other scene.  I don't like the scene with the men talking about Jack in front of Lureen, either, or the rodeo clown in the bar scene, but they all have a distinct purpose in the film, IMO.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #164 on: Jul 24, 2006, 03:58 PM »
Judging from the kids' reaction when Ennis is yelling after Alma, he must have done that plenty of times before.  The kids are not shocked or crying.  They are used to the yelling.  By that time, things were getting bad, but it's still a few years before the divorce, judging from the girls' ages in that scene --  about 7 and 9 or so.
    You may be right about the store scene, but I think it shows Ennis anger point.  He is not going to back down.  Is he really going to work, or is he going to meet Jack?  On a different thread, it was suggested that this scene was meant to accompany another scene, the one with both Ennis and Jack in the pick-up truck heading out, which was left out of the final cut.  If that's the case, it shows us a lot more about Ennis' cavalier attitude towards his wife - do what he wants and let the chips lie where they fall.
    I realize the scene introduces the grocer. and that could be why Ang left it in the film.
    It still disturbs me more than any other scene.  I don't like the scene with the men talking about Jack in front of Lureen, either, or the rodeo clown in the bar scene, but they all have a distinct purpose in the film, IMO.

I didn't know about that, thanks lamusica, for pointing it out. It means I can see that scene in a different light now, I don't mind Ennis acting like something out of the Stone age, if it's because he was in a hurry to go and meet Jack ::) It's been said before, but it really is so weird how for most of us women on here our sympathy for the women comes a poor second to Ennis and Jack ???
I do find that scene quite difficult to watch, especially when he gives Alma that look, and she immediately agrees to take the girls.I don't think, or at least I don't want to think, that Ennis was ever violent towards Alma, but that look always makes me wonder :(
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #165 on: Jul 24, 2006, 04:03 PM »
Judging from the kids' reaction when Ennis is yelling after Alma, he must have done that plenty of times before.  The kids are not shocked or crying.  They are used to the yelling.  By that time, things were getting bad, but it's still a few years before the divorce, judging from the girls' ages in that scene --  about 7 and 9 or so.
    You may be right about the store scene, but I think it shows Ennis anger point.  He is not going to back down.  Is he really going to work, or is he going to meet Jack? On a different thread, it was suggested that this scene was meant to accompany another scene, the one with both Ennis and Jack in the pick-up truck heading out, which was left out of the final cut.  If that's the case, it shows us a lot more about Ennis' cavalier attitude towards his wife - do what he wants and let the chips lie where they fall.
    I realize the scene introduces the grocer. and that could be why Ang left it in the film.
    It still disturbs me more than any other scene.  I don't like the scene with the men talking about Jack in front of Lureen, either, or the rodeo clown in the bar scene, but they all have a distinct purpose in the film, IMO.

I didn't know about that, thanks lamusica, for pointing it out. It means I can see that scene in a different light now, I don't mind Ennis acting like something out of the Stone age, if it's because he was in a hurry to go and meet Jack ::) It's been said before, but it really is so weird how for most of us women on here our sympathy for the women comes a poor second to Ennis and Jack ???
I do find that scene quite difficult to watch, especially when he gives Alma that look, and she immediately agrees to take the girls.I don't think, or at least I don't want to think, that Ennis was ever violent towards Alma, but that look always makes me wonder :(

Just an fyi - the store scene with Ennis and Alma takes place BEFORE Ennis and Jack get back together after four years...the scene is to show how dedicated Ennis is to his job (before his reumnion with Jack)
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #166 on: Jul 24, 2006, 04:27 PM »


Just an fyi - the store scene with Ennis and Alma takes place BEFORE Ennis and Jack get back together after four years...the scene is to show how dedicated Ennis is to his job (before his reumnion with Jack)

You're right, I can't believe I didn't think of that :-[ So, I'm confused now, which scene is supposed to accompany the unseen one of Ennis and Jack in the truck? :-\\

There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #167 on: Jul 25, 2006, 04:16 AM »


Just an fyi - the store scene with Ennis and Alma takes place BEFORE Ennis and Jack get back together after four years...the scene is to show how dedicated Ennis is to his job (before his reumnion with Jack)

You're right, I can't believe I didn't think of that :-[ So, I'm confused now, which scene is supposed to accompany the unseen one of Ennis and Jack in the truck? :-\\



I thought the scene of Ennis and Jack in the truck was the first night they met, before they headed up onto Brokeback?
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #168 on: Jul 25, 2006, 07:46 AM »


Just an fyi - the store scene with Ennis and Alma takes place BEFORE Ennis and Jack get back together after four years...the scene is to show how dedicated Ennis is to his job (before his reumnion with Jack)

You're right, I can't believe I didn't think of that :-[ So, I'm confused now, which scene is supposed to accompany the unseen one of Ennis and Jack in the truck? :-\



I thought the scene of Ennis and Jack in the truck was the first night they met, before they headed up onto Brokeback?

Never thought of that.    :-\\    I always thought it was of Jack and Ennis heading out for their first camping trip, the morning after the reunion.  Next time someone gets a look at that scene (I can't remember where to find it!) can you please see if you can tell the kind of truck they're in or the shirts Jack and Ennis are wearing?  I got the impression it was Jack's new truck, not the one from that first summer on Brokeback, and that Ennis was wearing his "new" shirt, the one he wore for Jack on reunion day.  Seemed to be a scene between the two of them getting in Jack's truck the morning after the motel and the scene of them jumping naked off the cliff .... but NoRein's suggestion makes sense too ....   :s)

sorry for the  *o)   So ...How about that store scene, huh??  ;) 

I don't like to think either, CrimsonSky, that Alma was afraid of Ennis physically, but she sure seemed to know not to argue much with him when he said things had to be a certain way.  This was after the Fourth of July scene, wasn't it?  So she's seen his violent side, maybe was a bit afraid of that without him ever having touched her that way. 

Just the thought that he was capable of such actions might have made her back down at times like that in the grocery store.  Certainly after she knows about Jack, she's done backing down all the time (that shouting scene that I don't like).  Probably figures, what the heck am I trying to keep peace in the family for, my husband is cheating on me!
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #169 on: Jul 25, 2006, 08:10 AM »
I think there's some confusion here.  I realize the scene appears in the film before the reunion, but what I am suggesting is that it was shot with the intention of being after the reunion, when Jack and Ennis were getting together on a somewhat regular basis.  There is no scene withJack and Ennis in the truck in the movie.  It is one of the scenes that did not make it into the film.  It's shown many times on this forum in various threads, but did not appear in the film.  What someone suggested was that the grocery scene was meant to go with the truck scene, but, for some reason, Ang cut the truck scene, then placed this scene where it finally is.  I realize this is conjecture, but it is possible and puts a different spin on the scene -- one that I think is more probable.  I see no other real reason for this scene.  i do not think Ennis was that devoted to his job.  It was only a way to keep bread on the table.  He certainly din't mind leaving the job to run off with Jack when the opportunity came along.  Just MHO.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #170 on: Jul 25, 2006, 09:04 AM »
I think there's some confusion here.  I realize the scene appears in the film before the reunion, but what I am suggesting is that it was shot with the intention of being after the reunion, when Jack and Ennis were getting together on a somewhat regular basis.  There is no scene withJack and Ennis in the truck in the movie.  It is one of the scenes that did not make it into the film.  It's shown many times on this forum in various threads, but did not appear in the film.  What someone suggested was that the grocery scene was meant to go with the truck scene, but, for some reason, Ang cut the truck scene, then placed this scene where it finally is.  I realize this is conjecture, but it is possible and puts a different spin on the scene -- one that I think is more probable.   I see no other real reason for this scene.  i do not think Ennis was that devoted to his job.  It was only a way to keep bread on the table.  He certainly din't mind leaving the job to run off with Jack when the opportunity came along.  Just MHO.

Yes, that's an interesting idea, lamusica.  :)   Had never heard that before, about Ang having moved scenes into a place different than originally planned.  Do you know if that tidbit came from an interview or was it speculation?   I find the whole filming process fascinating, it's always intriguing to hear what actually goes on in the minds of the people putting a film together.

Have to say though ...  I still have trouble thinking that the grocery scene was meant to take place at any point except during the four years that Jack and Ennis hadn't seen each other, before the first postcard, for a number of reasons.  :-\\ The scene just seems logical exactly where it was placed, hadn't thought of it fitting anywhere else ..

It might be romantice to think that Ennis was dropping the girls off to spend a night with Jack, but I wonder, first of all, if Jack would have been all the way up in Wyoming for just a one night (actually part of a night) visit. And from the age of the girls in this scene, I really can't see how Ang would have thought this would be placed later in the story.   This scene was also in exactly the same spot as in the screen play, too ...   :-\  (, although I guess the sceen play could have been written published based on the final version of the movie rather than the other way around.  In addition, Ennis would have shown up in his own truck at the grocery store, not in Jack's, otherwise tongues would wag.  We DO see them getting in to Jack's truck together the morning after the reunion, however.

As to whether or not Ennis was devoted to his job, well, ranch hours are any time the stock needs your attention, so if the heifers were calving as Ennis tells Alma, it would have been necessary for Ennis to go there.  He would have wanted to keep the job to put the bread on the table, as you say. 

Much as we might find the grocery store scene may seem unimportant at first, it does serve to show too that even before Jack showed up again things were not perfect in the Ennis and Alma marriage. This is not my favourite scene by a long shot so probably don't pay much attention to the nuances ....  There is also a big continuity error in this scenes (the peanut jars that get broken, first shot has a lot more knocked over than the later shot) which I can't seem to NOT notice every time ..  :P

So, I can see where there might be conjecture about Ennis being anxious to drop the girls off to be with Jack, but I (personally!) just have a hard time making that fit. 

But I guess that's what makes this scene and the whole film interesting, isn't it?  Because it leaves so much up to the viewer, we can all see something different even though we're watching the exact same thing.  You have to love that!  :)  
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #171 on: Jul 25, 2006, 12:53 PM »
You make some good points, Red.  I just remember somebody on this forum making the conjecture that this scene went with the photo of Jack and Ennis inside the truck.  I can't remember the thread, or I'd look it up, but there are so many threads now, it would take forever.
    The point you make about the girls' age, though, is a really good one that shows that scene was always meant to be before the reunion.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I just like to look at different possibilities. That's what makes this forum so intriguing.  I have had my eyes opened to so many varying possibiliities -- all of which just enrich the movie for me.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #172 on: Jul 25, 2006, 12:58 PM »
So true, lamusica, about the discussions here enriching the whole experience!   ^f^

For instance, that one scene I had mentioned that I really get uncomfortable with, the yellng one -  as you pointed out, the girls seem used to this so it probably wasn't the first screaming match.  Hadn't thought on it that way until you said it.  So, thanks for that.   ;)
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #173 on: Jul 25, 2006, 01:31 PM »
     The scene I don't care for is when Ennis drops the girls off at the store while Alma is working.  Again, it shows Ennis's ability to get Alma to do what he wants, but I can see no other purpose for that scene.  I could easily have done without it.

I think it showed that Ennis was always there for his boss so when he asked for time off to be with Jack his boss would say yes.

Or maybe to show the difference between his relationship with Alma and his relationship with Jack? With Alma, he tells her that he has to go to his job, whereas with Jack he's happy to take off into the mountains regardless of what his foreman would say...

This is also true NoReins. It definitely showed that. But I was thinking more about Ennis' statement to Alma that his boss owed him because he worked through the blizzard the previous Christmas. But it definitely showed Alma came second in Ennis' life, to his work and to Jack.


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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #174 on: Jul 25, 2006, 04:02 PM »


sorry for the  *o)   So ...How about that store scene, huh??  ;) 

I don't like to think either, CrimsonSky, that Alma was afraid of Ennis physically, but she sure seemed to know not to argue much with him when he said things had to be a certain way.  This was after the Fourth of July scene, wasn't it?  So she's seen his violent side, maybe was a bit afraid of that without him ever having touched her that way. 

Just the thought that he was capable of such actions might have made her back down at times like that in the grocery store.  Certainly after she knows about Jack, she's done backing down all the time (that shouting scene that I don't like).  Probably figures, what the heck am I trying to keep peace in the family for, my husband is cheating on me!

You're right, I can definitely see why just the fear of setting Ennis off would be enough to make Alma back down, and even if she wasn't afraid he would hit her, she probably figured that he could be moody enough at the best of times, and it just wasn't worth antagonising him. I think Ennis possibly felt embarrassed, in a way, that Alma had to work at all, that he wasn't able to provide for his wife and kids by himself, and it made him feel a bit better to think of himself as the main breadwinner,with his job taking priority over Alma's, and it was probably easier for Alma to let him think that ???
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #175 on: Jul 25, 2006, 04:15 PM »
You make some good points, Red.  I just remember somebody on this forum making the conjecture that this scene went with the photo of Jack and Ennis inside the truck.  I can't remember the thread, or I'd look it up, but there are so many threads now, it would take forever.
    The point you make about the girls' age, though, is a really good one that shows that scene was always meant to be before the reunion.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I just like to look at different possibilities. That's what makes this forum so intriguing.  I have had my eyes opened to so many varying possibiliities -- all of which just enrich the movie for me.

Thanks for clearing that up, lamusica :) I have to say, I agree that the girls' age kind of dismisses the possibility that Ennis was meeting Jack, although the scene could maybe have been just after the reunion, maybe Jack went to see his parents after the reunion fishing trip, then popped in to Riverton for an over-night stay on the way back to Texas ???
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #176 on: Jul 26, 2006, 08:10 PM »
We'll think of anything to get those two boys more time together, won't we?  Anything's possible!
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #177 on: Jul 26, 2006, 09:36 PM »
Oh, I think the other scene I didn't care for much was after Ennis leaves Alma and Monroe's home.... and he gets out of his car and gets beaten by the driver. I dont see the need for it. We already know Ennis was extremely angry after his argument and we already know he's got a short fuse when it comes to his temper....
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #178 on: Jul 27, 2006, 05:57 AM »
Oh, I think the other scene I didn't care for much was after Ennis leaves Alma and Monroe's home.... and he gets out of his car and gets beaten by the driver. I dont see the need for it. We already know Ennis was extremely angry after his argument and we already know he's got a short fuse when it comes to his temper....

True, Gyllenhallic, that's a good point; it has already been established that Ennis has a temper that can flare up out of seemingly nowhere.

I think this time, though, it also shows how Ennis reacts when someone lets on they KNOW what he and Jack have been doing together all those years.  His sexuality - and to his mind his masculinity - has been questioned and he's not having it. Nothing says Manly Man like getting into a brawl I guess, win or lose.  :P     Helps to set up his nasty and uncalled for attack on poor Jack later on at the lake, too, when Jack suggests Ennis might want to try some place new if he's worried about the suspicions of people in his home town.

I squirm at that  "maybe you should try someplace new" scene because of how mean Ennis sounds, but now that you mention the above, I guess I can see how Ennis was feeling very exposed by then.  The thought of leaving Riverton for Texas, where more people might have the chance to catch on to his relationship with Jack must have driven him to lash out at Jack with words the way he had at that unlucky truck driver with his fists.    :-\\
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #179 on: Jul 27, 2006, 01:08 PM »
Oh, I think the other scene I didn't care for much was after Ennis leaves Alma and Monroe's home.... and he gets out of his car and gets beaten by the driver. I dont see the need for it. We already know Ennis was extremely angry after his argument and we already know he's got a short fuse when it comes to his temper....

True, Gyllenhallic, that's a good point; it has already been established that Ennis has a temper that can flare up out of seemingly nowhere.

I think this time, though, it also shows how Ennis reacts when someone lets on they KNOW what he and Jack have been doing together all those years.  His sexuality - and to his mind his masculinity - has been questioned and he's not having it. Nothing says Manly Man like getting into a brawl I guess, win or lose.  :P     Helps to set up his nasty and uncalled for attack on poor Jack later on at the lake, too, when Jack suggests Ennis might want to try some place new if he's worried about the suspicions of people in his home town.

I squirm at that  "maybe you should try someplace new" scene because of how mean Ennis sounds, but now that you mention the above, I guess I can see how Ennis was feeling very exposed by then.  The thought of leaving Riverton for Texas, where more people might have the chance to catch on to his relationship with Jack must have driven him to lash out at Jack with words the way he had at that unlucky truck driver with his fists.    :-\\

Ah, good point :) It is really the first time Ennis has been called out on his relationship with Jack. And he doesn't expect it, which adds to why he gets so upset about it and gets physical with Alma.

Yes, I've always thought of Ennis's fight with the driver as his way of proving his masculinity. (Like you said, win or lose, you're still a manly man!) Also a combination of feeling like people know, and wanting to attack them simply because they might.

I agree, I also feel for Jack when Ennis is cruel to him down by the lake... and Jack tells him to "go to hell". Something about it feels so.... uncomfortable. :-\\
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