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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #660 on: Aug 31, 2008, 12:32 PM »
Quote from: pattyjean on Aug 31, 2008, 12:25 PM
Some other Brokies had mentioned that, after sitting up, Jack places his Ennis'left hand on his fly--just to show him how enormously aroused he is--and Ennis does not remove his hand!  Having viewed this masterpiece infinite times, I cannot believe I finally noticed this erotic mini-scene just yesterday!   :*( 

Yes¡ And even it seems as if Ennis is making some "movements" with his left hand,after having jumped by noticing Jack's touch.He doesn't refuse this touch,but he has an active role in it,or at least is what I've always thought about... :d)
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #661 on: Aug 31, 2008, 12:56 PM »
Quote from: myprivatejack on Aug 31, 2008, 12:32 PM
Yes¡ And even it seems as if Ennis is making some "movements" with his left hand,after having jumped by noticing Jack's touch.He doesn't refuse this touch,but he has an active role in it,or at least is what I've always thought about... :d)

Another move I love in this venue:  Jack's left arm is underneath Ennis' right arm when they are sparring.  Then Jack abruptly moves his right arm on top so that he can hold Ennis' adorable face!  Waaay too sweet!    %)
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #662 on: Aug 31, 2008, 01:03 PM »
Quote from: pattyjean on Aug 31, 2008, 12:56 PM
Another move I love in this venue:  Jack's left arm is underneath Ennis' right arm when they are sparring.  Then Jack abruptly moves his right arm on top so that he can hold Ennis' adorable face!  Waaay too sweet!    %)

Yes¡In this scene,there's more tenderness and love than one can believe,overwhelmed by the raw passion they show... (t)
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #663 on: Aug 31, 2008, 06:45 PM »
Quote from: pattyjean on Aug 31, 2008, 12:56 PM
Another move I love in this venue:  Jack's left arm is underneath Ennis' right arm when they are sparring.  Then Jack abruptly moves his right arm on top so that he can hold Ennis' adorable face!  Waaay too sweet!    %)

Sorry:  I posted this backwards, but hope you got the drift anyway!  Jack's left arm ended up under Ennis' right arm so that Jack could lovingly hold his "lil darlin's" head...sooo sweet and sexy!   8)
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #664 on: Sep 01, 2008, 11:00 AM »
Quote from: pattyjean on Aug 31, 2008, 06:45 PM
Sorry:  I posted this backwards, but hope you got the drift anyway!  Jack's left arm ended up under Ennis' right arm so that Jack could lovingly hold his "lil darlin's" head...sooo sweet and sexy!   8)

Don't worry,Pattyjean¡ I don't understand English,neither if you write properly nor if you write it backwards ¡ :8
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #665 on: Sep 01, 2008, 01:08 PM »
Quote from: myprivatejack on Sep 01, 2008, 11:00 AM
Don't worry,Pattyjean¡ I don't understand English,neither if you write properly nor if you write it backwards ¡ :8

For someone who doesn't understand English, you post VERY well!  AND you fully grasped the lovely  caressing of face and head during "what we got going on here"!  LOVED the way both Jack and Ennis gently (or voraciously) held each other's heads during the passionate and/or romantic love scenes.   %)
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #666 on: Sep 01, 2008, 04:49 PM »
Quote from: pattyjean on Sep 01, 2008, 01:08 PM
For someone who doesn't understand English, you post VERY well!  AND you fully grasped the lovely  caressing of face and head during "what we got going on here"!  LOVED the way both Jack and Ennis gently (or voraciously) held each other's heads during the passionate and/or romantic love scenes.   %)

Aaaawwwwww,thank you,it's very kind of you¡  :)  As regards to the way they held their heads,I think they do it both gently-with tenderness-and voraciously-with lust-.Iive grasped it,but not precisely for my English skills... >:D
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #667 on: Sep 02, 2008, 08:01 AM »
Thanks friends for continuing the interesting discussion this weekend.  ;)

personally, I thought Jack deliberately didn't get himself get that drunk, whereas Ennis deliberately got himself that drunk. 

In the case of Jack, it was clear that he wanted Ennis to be in the camp all along, so that perhaps one thing would lead to another.

In the case of Ennis, I thinkl that subconsciously, he wanted to be in the camp with Jack. although his scrupples usually got the better of him...

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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #668 on: Sep 02, 2008, 10:31 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Sep 02, 2008, 08:01 AM
Thanks friends for continuing the interesting discussion this weekend.  ;)

personally, I thought Jack deliberately didn't get himself get that drunk, whereas Ennis deliberately got himself that drunk. 

In the case of Jack, it was clear that he wanted Ennis to be in the camp all along, so that perhaps one thing would lead to another.

In the case of Ennis, I thinkl that subconsciously, he wanted to be in the camp with Jack. although his scrupples usually got the better of him...

I think that both of them wanted to be together in the camp,maybe being aware of what could happen and playing hard.But what I don't understand is why you say that Jack didn't get himself drunk deliberately and Ennis did.What makes you think in this way,please?. ???
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #669 on: Sep 02, 2008, 04:35 PM »
My 2 cents...Jack wanted to be sober enough to entice Ennis into the tent.  Whether he purposely got Ennis drunk or whether Ennis did it on purpose I'm not sure.  I do believe, though, that if Ennis got drunk on purpose, his inhibitions would be down and he'd have an excuse. JMO
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #670 on: Sep 02, 2008, 08:05 PM »
Quote from: atalley on Sep 02, 2008, 04:35 PM
My 2 cents...Jack wanted to be sober enough to entice Ennis into the tent.  Whether he purposely got Ennis drunk or whether Ennis did it on purpose I'm not sure.  I do believe, though, that if Ennis got drunk on purpose, his inhibitions would be down and he'd have an excuse. JMO
Yeah I think the fact that Ennis kept sticking around when he should have gone to the sheep, drinking and revealing to Jack he ain't had the opportunity yet told me he kind of wanted something to happen even if he wasn't quite aware of it yet. He was attracted to Jack by this time so he wanted to be there and the drinking sure helped him along.
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #671 on: Sep 03, 2008, 07:18 AM »
Quote from: myprivatejack on Sep 02, 2008, 10:31 AM
I think that both of them wanted to be together in the camp,maybe being aware of what could happen and playing hard.But what I don't understand is why you say that Jack didn't get himself drunk deliberately and Ennis did.What makes you think in this way,please?. ???

The reason is because I felt that Jack deliberately knew what he wanted, and didn't have qualms as to getting whast he wanted.  As for Ennis, we would never consciously get himself to do what he desired (at that stage), and drink would bolster his courage, if not his recklessness.

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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #672 on: Sep 03, 2008, 07:20 AM »
Quote from: atalley on Sep 02, 2008, 04:35 PM
My 2 cents...Jack wanted to be sober enough to entice Ennis into the tent.  Whether he purposely got Ennis drunk or whether Ennis did it on purpose I'm not sure.  I do believe, though, that if Ennis got drunk on purpose, his inhibitions would be down and he'd have an excuse. JMO

Quote from: rimasworld on Sep 02, 2008, 08:05 PM
Yeah I think the fact that Ennis kept sticking around when he should have gone to the sheep, drinking and revealing to Jack he ain't had the opportunity yet told me he kind of wanted something to happen even if he wasn't quite aware of it yet. He was attracted to Jack by this time so he wanted to be there and the drinking sure helped him along.

Yes, this is close to what I was trying to say in my previous post.

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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #673 on: Sep 06, 2008, 10:17 AM »
I'll wish right being between their two short and hot breaths….  (t) <^( <^(
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #674 on: Sep 08, 2008, 07:56 AM »
Quote from: FredPtiteFée on Sep 06, 2008, 10:17 AM
I'll wish right being between their two short and hot breaths….  (t) <^( <^(

A sandwich?  ;)

We wish!  :)

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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #675 on: Sep 08, 2008, 03:35 PM »
Quote from: FredPtiteFée on Sep 06, 2008, 10:17 AM
I'll wish right being between their two short and hot breaths….  (t) <^( <^(

Oh,yes,Fée¡ I wouldn't mind being the sausage of this sandwich ¡   >:D   (t)
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #676 on: Sep 09, 2008, 07:29 PM »
Ok I go back to the horseplay if that is the morning after SNIT Ennis is basically without a shirt would love to see how he got that :i
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #677 on: Sep 10, 2008, 04:56 AM »
Did anyone notice how playful Ennis was after the SNIT.  He changed that little boy in him came out,  the one hidden ever since that day with his father at irrigation ditch.  Jack gave him something else, his youth.

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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #678 on: Sep 10, 2008, 07:49 AM »
There is a definite change in Ennis between FNIT and SNIT, and the playfulness is part of it -- learning to be himself, and be willing to face up to one's desires.

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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #679 on: Sep 10, 2008, 10:32 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Sep 10, 2008, 07:49 AM
There is a definite change in Ennis between FNIT and SNIT, and the playfulness is part of it -- learning to be himself, and be willing to face up to one's desires.



Yes--all of us have probably experienced the euphoria that overtakes us after you-know-what:  Our inhibitions go out the window and our childtakes over--hence, the playfulness jumps in with a vengeance!  Makes a person actually want to acquire a "fishin' buddy"!    :f)
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #680 on: Sep 10, 2008, 10:35 AM »
As FNIT could get from his inner his real self,he keep on being himself on the next morning,with his feelings and sensations in all their splendour,without hidding them...This is called happinness and this happinnes is called LOVE. <^(
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #681 on: Sep 11, 2008, 07:43 AM »
Nonetheless, I also suspect that guilt was very much present the morning after FNIT -- especially as far as Ennis was concerned.  I do agree that the feelings from FNIT were bursting out of him at that moment, but it looked to me that there was internal conflict between these feelings and this sense of guilt.  I guess this was one reason why he couldn't face jack the morning after -- it was hard to read his face, because he was so confused at that moment.

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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #682 on: Sep 11, 2008, 02:49 PM »
Quote from: tpe on Sep 11, 2008, 07:43 AM
Nonetheless, I also suspect that guilt was very much present the morning after FNIT -- especially as far as Ennis was concerned.  I do agree that the feelings from FNIT were bursting out of him at that moment, but it looked to me that there was internal conflict between these feelings and this sense of guilt.  I guess this was one reason why he couldn't face jack the morning after -- it was hard to read his face, because he was so confused at that moment.



Actually tpe:  IMO, Jack is the one who LOOKS extremely guilty--the morning after FNIT.  Then that evening during, "It's nobody's business but ours", he looks worried and a bit remorseful for his actions the previous night, because that "one-shot thing"  changed everything!  Ennis appears quite stoic...hiding his feelings.
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #683 on: Sep 12, 2008, 08:07 AM »
Quote from: pattyjean on Sep 11, 2008, 02:49 PM
Actually tpe:  IMO, Jack is the one who LOOKS extremely guilty--the morning after FNIT.  Then that evening during, "It's nobody's business but ours", he looks worried and a bit remorseful for his actions the previous night, because that "one-shot thing"  changed everything!  Ennis appears quite stoic...hiding his feelings.

Good point.  I would say that both of them felt guilty.  Jack looked apologetic for what he had done or started, whereas Ennis looked guilty because it seemed that he couldn't face up to what he just did.

I would say that Jack was defiant rather than guilty in that scene where he says "It's nobody's business but ours"...

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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #684 on: Sep 12, 2008, 10:22 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Sep 12, 2008, 08:07 AM
Good point.  I would say that both of them felt guilty.  Jack looked apologetic for what he had done or started, whereas Ennis looked guilty because it seemed that he couldn't face up to what he just did.

I would say that Jack was defiant rather than guilty in that scene where he says "It's nobody's business but ours"...


Yes tpe:  "Apologetic" is the perfect word to describe Jack's look the morning after!  And Jack's first statement says to me that he hopes "what we got goin' on here" will absolutely continue all summer  --because "it's nobody's business but ours".  Hope the sun is shining in your world, tpe... ^f^
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #685 on: Sep 12, 2008, 11:25 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Sep 08, 2008, 07:56 AM
A sandwich?  ;)

We wish!  :)



You nasty man :d)
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The most difficult scene was the paragraph where, on the mountain, Ennis holds Jack and rocks back and forth, humming, the moment mixed with childhood loss and his refusal to admit he was holding a man.

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From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood, Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking.

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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #686 on: Sep 16, 2008, 08:59 AM »
Quote from: Twisted on Sep 12, 2008, 11:25 AM
You nasty man :d)

 ;D  OT: Sorry Twisted. 

Back to FNIT: it was certainly more about the sex and raw desire, but I think there was much more than that.  It also hadm, guilt, fear, and -- yes, I also think -- the beginnings of all-consuming love.

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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #687 on: Sep 16, 2008, 09:35 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Sep 16, 2008, 08:59 AM
;D  OT: Sorry Twisted. 

Back to FNIT: it was certainly more about the sex and raw desire, but I think there was much more than that.  It also hadm, guilt, fear, and -- yes, I also think -- the beginnings of all-consuming love.

Totally agree,Thomas...As I said before,FNIT was an explosion of feelings and sensations that had to burst sooner or later.And more or less hidden and implicit there was the little flame of love.
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #688 on: Sep 17, 2008, 06:04 AM »
I don't know if it was so much guilt from Jack, as it was more a feeling  of concern with Ennis reaction to him the next morning.  Jack had guided Ennis through this, that's why Jack "waited" for Ennis to come to him on that hill.    

By "topping from the bottom", Jack enabled Ennis to explore this part of him, and by letting him know, "Its nobody business but ours" ,  "You're not queer, OK fine", "This is a one shot thing, you got it." It was all safety nets.

Jack had to ensure that trust Ennis apparently needed in order for him to go to Jack that second night.  It was about trust.  IMO.


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Re: First Night In Tent
« Reply #689 on: Sep 17, 2008, 07:46 AM »
Well, I do think that the morning after, jack was probably more concerned with whether Ennis will repudiate everything that had happened the night before -- and shun him (Jack) altogether.   

I knew someone in real-life who was actually "seduced" by an acquaintance with Ennis-like problems, and the acquaimtance later blamed my friend for turning him gay! 

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