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Re: BBM Collectors Edition:*To Be Released Jan 23rd 2007*
« Reply #450 on: Jan 24, 2007, 03:26 PM »
Hee hee, tpe, I've had my songbook for a few months now ;)

Dear dirtbiker, you should have told me earlier then.  ;)


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« Reply #451 on: Jan 24, 2007, 05:15 PM »
I wouldn't be able to even watch the DVD anyway.

If the problem is that you DVD player is set to just one region I can soon help you fix that. You will be able to set it to region 0 - global.

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« Reply #452 on: Jan 24, 2007, 05:16 PM »
depends if she has a player that can do that...not all players can be made sonefree :)
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« Reply #453 on: Jan 24, 2007, 05:27 PM »
I was able to get the free shipping because i also ordered the piano music of the soundtrack.  I wasn't able to preview it, so hope I can play it!  I'm also going to check out that "trivia" book that Luv Jack Nasty mentioned early on this thread, but think I'll check it out in person first.  I'm always a little leery of "unofficial" versions.

Darn -- I could have looked for the music for guitar.  Didn't think of that.

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« Reply #454 on: Jan 24, 2007, 05:30 PM »
Dear dirtbiker, you should have told me earlier then.  ;)


All you piano players, I would love to hear the music of the score played on piano -- and other instruments -- since that's not what it was played with.  Probably sounds fantastically fascinating on piano.  I know you play, Thomas, and sounds like you do, too, BBM Fan, and you, too, Dirtbiker:

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« Reply #455 on: Jan 24, 2007, 06:15 PM »
All you piano players, I would love to hear the music of the score played on piano -- and other instruments -- since that's not what it was played with.  Probably sounds fantastically fascinating on piano.  I know you play, Thomas, and sounds like you do, too, BBM Fan, and you, too, Dirtbiker:

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OT: kathy, I asked BBM Fan to create a separate thread for this topic in Treasure Box.  She is having some difficulties posting the pic, so we should try to help her in this regard.  I am sure a guitar score will be available soon.
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« Reply #456 on: Jan 24, 2007, 06:24 PM »
OT: kathy, I asked BBM Fan to create a separate thread for this topic in Treasure Box.  She is having some difficulties posting the pic, so we should try to help her in this regard.  I am sure a guitar score will be available soon.
 

I'm going to create a separate thread, but despite the expert help from tpe, I haven't been able to upload the front cover of the book.  Will keep trying.  However, don't expect ME to play it for you - I will need to practice first.  Although it might be fun to put a little BBM combo together. 

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Re: BBM Collectors Edition:*To Be Released Jan 23rd 2007*
« Reply #457 on: Jan 24, 2007, 06:26 PM »
OT: kathy, I asked BBM Fan to create a separate thread for this topic in Treasure Box.  She is having some difficulties posting the pic, so we should try to help her in this regard.  I am sure a guitar score will be available soon.




Seems to me I posted something about this songbook in treasure chest or in the soundtrack section.  I'll go check and send you all the link if I find it.

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« Reply #458 on: Jan 24, 2007, 06:27 PM »
Here's the link of the songbook post:

http://ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=6706.0

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« Reply #459 on: Jan 24, 2007, 06:30 PM »
thanks, dirtbiker.  I just posted the contents on that thread.

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« Reply #460 on: Jan 24, 2007, 07:03 PM »
Thanks dirtbiker.  :)

We are so out of topic!  Back to our regular programming! ;)


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« Reply #461 on: Jan 25, 2007, 08:32 AM »
Straight from the blogosphere.  Please read.  I think many of you will share the final sentiments.

From: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/01/23/132653.php

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DVD Review: The New Brokeback Mountain Collector's Edition Leaves Questions Unanswered
Written by Jet in Columbus
Published January 23, 2007




I want to make something really clear up front.

My very first article for BC Magazine was an enthusiastic and loving tribute to Brokeback Mountain. I’ve written a few more on the subject that were just as positive afterward, so it’s a fair assessment that I’m a fan. I make this statement because I found this new edition a disappointment, not because of the storyline or the production values, but because I was expecting — no I was hoping for — what I didn’t get.

With the addition of the unused amount of space afforded on a second disc, I expected DVD extras such as outtakes and flubbed lines. After reading reports of how the original film had to be edited from nearly three hours down to two hours and fourteen minutes, I wanted to see what was edited out. Any true fan of the film would welcome — no, downright relish — the chance to enjoy a two and a half hour or even longer version, just to see what was missed and to satisfy a hunger for more of the story.

Perhaps more than all the other unanswered questions, I’d hoped to discover the solution to the mysterious missing scenes from the movie that have been taunting me for over a year now.

Missing scenes?

I’ll get to that in a moment and present evidence of them.

When it all comes down to it, if you don’t own a DVD version of Brokeback Mountain yet or have a brand new HD/DVD player, then you should definitely buy this edition now. This is a glorious and beautiful presentation of an incredible film that’s not to be missed. The HD in HD/DVD is obvious and magnificent.

However, if you already own the original DVD released in 2006 don’t bother with this one. Instead, try holding out for a director’s cut version further down the road and hope it’s not until a tenth anniversary edition is released.

Here’s why.

Having seen the movie repeatedly - having for all intents and purposes memorized this DVD - having put up an entire tribute web page to it, I can say without doubt that this is the exact same transfer to disc of the original DVD, complete with soundtrack foibles and all.

For example, in chapter five there's a scene where Ennis is setting up the camp tent and Jack is laying on his back playing his harmonica. Over the dialogue there's an annoying reverb that I expected would have been repaired or replaced on this version, but disappointingly wasn't.

Of the seven DVD extras, four of them already came with the previously presented original 2006 release.

They are:

Directing from the Heart: Ang Lee. A great tribute to an equally great director.
From Script to Screen: Interviews with Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana. The screenwriters explain how they discovered the short story and subsequently brought it to life.
Sharing the Story: The Making of Brokeback Mountain. The best produced extra on the disc and well worth watching.
On Being a Cowboy. On how the cast learned to convincingly portray life in the saddle and the culture that goes with it.

Of the above, the most work seems to have gone into Sharing the Story, which was actually a TV special produced by the LOGO cable network. It appears to have been tacked onto the original disc in place of Focus Features/Universal Studios going to the expense of producing a better one of their own and is resubmitted here.

In my opinion the three new featurettes for this collection are not worth rationalizing the use of an additional disc. In fact one of the new extras is included on the main movie disc. Had it been conveniently grouped with all the others on the second disc, it would have allowed room for an extended version of the movie. This is what people hope for when a movie expands to two discs — but not here.


Make sure you check the packaging before you whip out your charge card and make sure you're getting the more expensive HD/DVD - DVD combo. If not, basically your second DVD purchase would essentially buy the same original 2006 release that you already own with only the following features tacked on:

A Groundbreaking Success: How do you combat a beautiful heart-touching love story being instantly labeled “The Gay Cowboy Movie?” This subject deserved at least half an hour or more; it absolutely deserved more than a mere seventeen minutes.

It consists of mostly interviews with gay film critics who cannot stop referring to “queer filmmakers”, political and social analysts, and is sprinkled with very few old and new brief snippets of interviews with the cast and director. A fleeting glimpse is given of how the movie trailer for the film gained a life of its own with spoofs of other films' trailers, such as Brokeback to the Future and Top Gun. The producers noted that these parodies were good natured and accepting, which they were.   

What isn’t included but should have been was an examination of the real world controversy and opposition that this movie generated, if for no other reason than to add contrast to an otherwise self-praising featurette. I wanted to see and hear about the theaters that had agreed to show the film and then pulled out at the last moment because of the religious right’s opposition.

Missing also was how most of us felt cheated that the early advertising concerned itself with the heterosexual relationships involved in the storyline instead of the one between Jack and Ennis. I’m sure many early straight theatergoers thought they’d been “bait and switched” an hour into the film. Also blatantly missing was Heath and Jake winning the MTV best kiss award. I also would have liked to have seen and laughed at Lance Armstrong again while kidding his good friend Jake at the ESPY awards "preferring it in the rear... of the theater!"

What is infuriatingly, inexplicably, and inexcusably missing is an interview with Annie Proulx, the creator of the story.

Impressions From The Film is a very scant two and a half minute slide show set to music from the film. This is similar to a feature that could be found on Brokeback Mountain’s website, the difference being that the images here literally blink by at breakneck speed, are grouped together by scene but then are presented inexplicably out of order, so skip this one.

Music From The Mountain is the one saving grace and is more or less a tribute to Academy Award-winning composer Gustavo Santaolalla’s wonderful work on the film. It astonishingly reveals that the magnificent musical score was written before the movie was even shot. Ang Lee had the score playing on CD or running through his head during the filming and scenes were shot to fit Gustavo's beautiful music! It also covers the quest to find just the right vocal performers like Willie Nelson and others to showcase this movie’s score. To actually watch Willie sing, “He Was A Friend Of Mine” in the studio brought me to tears.

This featurette is very enjoyable to watch, however it is over just as you are getting into and enjoying it. At only a little over eleven minutes long, it seems disappointingly short.

The package also comes with eight postcards. These are beautifully printed and big. Any collector would cherish them, particularly the facsimile of Jack’s note to Ennis. The problem is that that note was on a general delivery card and was only half as big as the one that’s presented. No matter. Just don’t tack them up on the wall if you're thinking of keeping them as collectibles.


The film has more enhanced soundtrack options, and is also now dubbed in Spanish.

Having said that…

I’ll repeat from another review I’ve done that if you’ve already seen the film or DVD, watch the extras first. They’ll give you a clearer understanding of the story and the work that went into presenting it. If you’ve never seen the film or DVD, watch the movie first then check out the DVD extras.

As for the movie itself, watching it again only confirms my original assessment of what a great work it is. It also reinforces my firm conviction that both Brokeback Mountain and Heath Ledger were blatantly robbed out of political correctness, or just plain homophobic internal politics at the Academy Awards.


I hadn’t seen any of Heath Ledger’s films before Brokeback Mountain so I had nothing to compare his performance to. Now that I have, I can appreciate what a master performance he gave in this film. To observe a previously merely serviceable actor so completely become his character was a joy to watch. Nor is his work here truly appreciated unless you take the time first to compare it to what came before.

I think Annie Proulx should be compelled to write a sequel detailing what happened to Ennis after that cabinet door closed. It was unfair to leave us wondering. I was so frustrated, I even wrote my own imagined ending to his story on my fan page. There aren’t many movies that leave a viewer feeling that way, but this is one of them. The only others worth trusting with such a project would be screenwriters Diana Ossana and Larry McMurtry.

To sum things up:

My imagined and hoped for DVD release would have/should have contained the following:


A two and a half hour or longer version with the missing footage edited back into the feature maintaining the film’s continuity.

The early outtakes of Heath Ledger nearly breaking Jake Gyllenhaal’s nose while attempting that award winning and passionate kiss at the foot of the stairs. I wanted to laugh at their frustration at not being able to get the damned bear to roar on cue. I wanted to see both Jake and Ang Lee on the mechanical bull trying to learn how to ride a real one.

I wanted to see what was missing from the second love scene in the tent that was obviously and drastically edited down and way too short. As in straight movies the heterosexual lovers get undressed and almost nothing is left to the imagination. I’m not talking about showing porn here, I’m talking realism, which I’m sure was experimented with, but discarded because of threats of how the film might be rated.

At least a minimum of thirty minutes of flubbed lined outtakes as a DVD extra showing how much the cast enjoyed the filming.

Missing scene: In the movie trailer there’s a shot of Jack standing on the log bridge shirtless looking down into the stream; this scene was cut from the film.

Missing scene: At the campfire when Jack and Ennis get away to the mountain for the first time in four years, there’s a shot of them (see above) sitting next to each other laughing, which isn’t included in the film. At the opening of the "If you can't fix it Jack, you gotta stand it" scene, Ennis is still joking about Jack forgetting his harmonica. When Ennis joins him on the log he doesn't smile. I believe this missing piece is a prelude to the gut wrenching dialogue that followed and deserves to be edited back in.

I’d include an interview with Annie Proulx about how she wrote the story, her reaction to the movie and how she wasn’t included in the production of it.


Missing scene: In the movie trailer there’s a mysterious man with a concerned look on his face and a teenaged boy standing behind him in front of a cluttered garage, neither of whom are seen nor mentioned in the movie.

Missing scene: In the movie trailer there’s the line, “Well, since we’re going to be working together, I reckon it’s time we started drinking together.” It must have been filmed and should be cut back into the movie.

If that’s what you — no, what we were all hoping for, you won’t find it here. I can only hope that the powers that be at Focus Features read this and create a “director’s cut” just for us based on the above wish list.

And that’s why I’m disappointed.

Not in the film, which is one of the greatest I’ve ever seen, but at the bean counters at Universal that figured we’d buy anything they offered disregarding our hopes.

But of course this is only my opinion.



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« Reply #462 on: Jan 25, 2007, 08:54 AM »
Review 2.  From Monsters and Critics

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DVD Review: Brokeback Mountain (Two-Disc Collector’s Edition)
By Jeff Swindoll Jan 22, 2007, 13:39 GMT

Return to Brokeback Mountain (on DVD that is), but is this new edition worth the upgrade?  Read on to find out. 



Brokeback Mountain was a big Oscar winner for 2005 [sic].  Winning the gold for director Ang Lee, writers Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana, and composer Gustavo Santaolalla.  However, it did not take home the gold for best picture as most predicted.  Universal brings out a new 2-disc collector’s edition, but appearances can be deceiving if you’re expecting lots of new content. 


Two Cowboys looking for work

1963, Jack Twist (Jake Gyllenhaal) and Ennis Del Mar (Heath Ledger) are hired by Joe Aguirre (Randy Quaid) to tend the sheep up on Brokeback Mountain in Wyoming.  They’re supposed to follow the rules that Aguirre sets up – one stays with the sheep on the mountain and the other stays in base camp.  One night they decide that it’s too cold for the other to go up the mountain.  They’d been drinking before, but Ennis is sleeping out by the fire and Jack is in the tent.  The fire goes out and Ennis is freezing out in the elements.  Jack has him come into the tent and in the course of the night the two men consummate a sexual relationship that they continue while they’re on the mountain.

When Aguirre brings the sheep down, they go their separate ways.  Ennis goes to marry his sweetheart Alma (Michelle Williams).  Jack meets Lureen (Anne Hathaway) at a rodeo and they eventually marry.  However, Jack still harbors feelings for Ennis and their time on the mountain.  Eventually they reconnect and schedule “fishing trips” where they can carry on their affair under wraps.  Eventually both men will be affected in ways that they did not imagine. 

Brokeback Mountain is a bit of a polarizing film since it’s a love story as told from the gay point of view.  So your acceptance of alternative lifestyles will depend on your want to view the movie.  I’ll admit I take more of an “I don’t care” attitude instead of a “don’t ask, don’t tell” attitude regarding homosexuals on the silver screen.  However, I’ve never had a great deal of desire to watch Brokeback. 

Frankly, it was the overkill that the film was getting in the press that kept me away more than the subject matter.  I also didn’t care for the defenders of the film that popped up whenever a bad word or perceived bad word was said against it.   So I suppose that now you’re expecting me to bash the film, right?  Well you’ll be surprised that I found it quite moving - even though I’m not of the persuasion of the two main characters.


Ennis' secret doesn't just hurt him

I found myself feeling for the plight of the characters on the screen.  It was all rather sad that Jack and Ennis had to live a lie as it were.  What was even more devastating is how that lie bled into some of the other character’s lives.  Alma’s discovery of Ennis’ secret life is absolutely heartbreaking.  The Wyoming scenery is gorgeous and a cottage industry for film fans interested in visiting the locations.

Something that interested me was since I knew the twist in the tale was that I read more into Jack and Ennis’ looks in the beginning and wondered if it was supposed to be conveyed in that way.  If it were a man and a woman then we’d obviously get that impression. 

What disappoints is that this new “collector’s edition” only really adds about 30 more minutes of special features and the interviews with the major players are leftovers from the first DVD release.  I’ll get to my recommendations toward the end of the review, but I’d be heartier in my recommendation if I could say that there was a commentary by Ang Lee, etc.

Brokeback Mountain is presented in anamorphic widescreen (1.85:1) and enhanced for 16x9 televisions.  This new collector’s edition does add some new stuff, but the major players (Ang Lee, Jake Gyllenhaal, and Heath Ledger) are taken from the interviews from the first DVD release.  The first new item is on disc one.  It’s the 17 minute “A Groundbreaking Success.” 

It has new interviews with journalist/blogger Matt Zoller Seitz, film critic R. Ruby Rich, writer/producer Dianna Ossana, executive producer Michael Lostigan, editor-in-chief of Variety Peter Bart, producer James Schamus, journalist (of the Advocate) Alonso Duralde, and vintage interviews with Ang Lee, Jake Gyllenhaal, and Heath Ledger. 

Disc two contains the following new items.  The first is the 2 minute “Impressions from the Film” and is a photo montage with stills from the film.  The second is the 11 minute “Music from the Mountain” and covers, you guessed it, the music of Brokeback Mountain. 


Jack meets Lureen

It has interviews with composer Gustavo Santaolalla, music supervisor Kathy Nelson, singer/songwriter Mary McBride, singer/songwriter Rufus Wainwright, singer/songwriter Teddy Thompson, singer/songwriter Steve Earle, and studio footage of Willie Nelson. 

The rest of the special features are holdovers from the first DVD release.  They include “On Being a Cowboy” (5 minutes), “Directing from the Heart: Ang Lee” (7 minutes), “From Script to Screen: Interview with Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana” (10 minutes), and “Sharing the Story: The Making of Brokeback Mountain: A Logo Movie Special” (20 minutes).  Still no theatrical trailer though.  There’s another new item in the form of 8 collectible postcards in the DVD case. 

It would be easier to recommend that fans buy this new edition if there were more special features.  Commentaries by Ang Lee, Jake Gyllenhaal, and/or Heath Ledger would’ve made it easier to recommend that fans purchase this new edition.  It just feels lacking for a two disc set.  I’m not sure that there’s enough added material to recommend that owners of the previous disc upgrade.

If you don’t own the previous DVD and are a fan of the film then this version will get you the best of both worlds (old and new material).  I’d bet that in five years time that they’ll be an anniversary edition and maybe they’ll do a better job at filling up two discs’ worth. 

Brokeback Mountain is a moving film in need of a more elaborate collector’s edition. I would give it 4 stars for the movie, but 2.5 stars for the special features in this “collector’s edition.” 


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Re: BBM Collectors Edition:*To Be Released Jan 23rd 2007*
« Reply #463 on: Jan 25, 2007, 01:32 PM »
"I wanted to see what was missing from the second love scene in the tent that was obviously and drastically edited down and way too short. As in straight movies the heterosexual lovers get undressed and almost nothing is left to the imagination. I’m not talking about showing porn here, I’m talking realism, which I’m sure was experimented with, but discarded because of threats of how the film might be rated."

I want to see that too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   :d)

Now I'm kind of sorry that I ordered the two-disc edition.  Oh well - one can only hope that the director's cut gets put out, and sometime soon.   :(
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Re: Review: BBM Collectors Edition:*To Be Released Jan 23rd 2007*
« Reply #464 on: Jan 25, 2007, 02:07 PM »

Missing scene: In the movie trailer there’s a shot of Jack standing on the log bridge shirtless looking down into the stream; this scene was cut from the film.

Missing scene: At the campfire when Jack and Ennis get away to the mountain for the first time in four years, there’s a shot of them (see above) sitting next to each other laughing, which isn’t included in the film. At the opening of the "If you can't fix it Jack, you gotta stand it" scene, Ennis is still joking about Jack forgetting his harmonica. When Ennis joins him on the log he doesn't smile. I believe this missing piece is a prelude to the gut wrenching dialogue that followed and deserves to be edited back in.

I’d include an interview with Annie Proulx about how she wrote the story, her reaction to the movie and how she wasn’t included in the production of it.


Missing scene: In the movie trailer there’s a mysterious man with a concerned look on his face and a teenaged boy standing behind him in front of a cluttered garage, neither of whom are seen nor mentioned in the movie.

Missing scene: In the movie trailer there’s the line, “Well, since we’re going to be working together, I reckon it’s time we started drinking together.” It must have been filmed and should be cut back into the movie.



There are more missing scenes than that.

The hippies that got their VW van stuck in a river and got rescued by Jack & Ennis.



The present which jack gives to Ennis - a riffle. (Have a photos of that somewhere but can't find it right now)

The scene of Ennis and Jack together driving in a truck (See trailer)

Also - the garage scene is with Jack & Randall
And - The shirthless Jack on the pole-bridge was a tubby stand in. To make matters worse, a tubby Jack filmed on the pole bridge would mean a return to BBM! He was not fat when he was young!
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Re: BBM Collectors Edition:*To Be Released Jan 23rd 2007*
« Reply #465 on: Jan 25, 2007, 02:09 PM »
One thing which pisses me off is how Focus have released pictures which are from deleted scenes and even have the cheek to put (C) Focus features in the bottom left corner!
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« Reply #466 on: Jan 25, 2007, 02:26 PM »
There are more missing scenes than that.

The hippies that got their VW van stuck in a river and got rescued by Jack & Ennis.



The present which jack gives to Ennis - a riffle. (Have a photos of that somewhere but can't find it right now)

The scene of Ennis and Jack together driving in a truck (See trailer)

Also - the garage scene is with Jack & Randall
And - The shirthless Jack on the pole-bridge was a tubby stand in. To make matters worse, a tubby Jack filmed on the pole bridge would mean a return to BBM! He was not fat when he was young!


Yes, I had wondered why he pointed out these particular scenes.  Perhpas he was not attempting to be complete.  Still, his is an interesting selection, no?


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« Reply #467 on: Jan 25, 2007, 02:28 PM »
One thing which pisses me off is how Focus have released pictures which are from deleted scenes and even have the cheek to put (C) Focus features in the bottom left corner!

I think they should have attemped a better edition.  The reviewers are quite right about Universal: they know that many fans will buy, so why bother to make a better edition?


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« Reply #468 on: Jan 25, 2007, 04:38 PM »
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The reviewers are quite right about Universal: they know that many fans will buy, so why bother to make a better edition?


It was my point not to buy it, I'm even wondering if the actors are getting some royalties from the sales of this new edition.  Didn't Focus Feature sold the rights to Universal a while ago?
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« Reply #469 on: Jan 25, 2007, 05:02 PM »

It was my point not to buy it, I'm even wondering if the actors are getting some royalties from the sales of this new edition.  Didn't Focus Feature sold the rights to Universal a while ago?

I thought this was so.  I doubt that the actors are getting any royalties.  That could also explain why they don't choose to involve them and create new material -- it would mean extra expense?

The reviews do not recommend those who have the standard edition get this edition.  I am getting it, though, even if I fall victim to their machinations...


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« Reply #470 on: Jan 25, 2007, 05:12 PM »
Thank you, tpe, for the comprehensive review of the new DVD.  I will save my money.  I am very happy with the full-screen version I bought the day it became available.  If a director's cut ever becomes available, count me in.
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Re: BBM Collectors Edition:*To Be Released Jan 23rd 2007*
« Reply #471 on: Jan 25, 2007, 05:34 PM »
I still think that a "director's cut" edition will never be released since Ang already said that what he produced was his final/preferred edit.  I do think, however, that the studios would (hopefully) release the deleted scenes separately through menu selections like other collector's edition versions of other films.  I don't think I'd like to have the movie modified with some of the scenes - especially the hippie scene  ;D - which I think would provide too much of a comic relief to the movie.  Some scenes, though, might be good to add, such as the few extra seconds of Ennis crying, etc.  :s)

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« Reply #472 on: Jan 25, 2007, 05:50 PM »
This edition could have been much much better than it is.

Would it have been difficult or costly for Universal to have gotten Heath, Jake, and Ang to do a commentary?  I guess Universal didn't even want to try or to spend more money...

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« Reply #473 on: Jan 25, 2007, 06:00 PM »
This edition is a big deception, they just want to make easy money.  At least the Frnch one was offering a bit more for a collector, including the short story (in French tough...)
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« Reply #474 on: Jan 25, 2007, 06:10 PM »
This edition could have been much much better than it is.

Would it have been difficult or costly for Universal to have gotten Heath, Jake, and Ang to do a commentary?  I guess Universal didn't even want to try or to spend more money...


Considering the unexpected windfall Brokeback Mountain made for the studio, that is pretty cheesy don't you think? I have a wide screen and full screen version and am content with them until something better than what is being offered comes along.
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« Reply #475 on: Jan 25, 2007, 06:32 PM »
This edition is a big deception, they just want to make easy money.  At least the Frnch one was offering a bit more for a collector, including the short story (in French tough...)

I don't even think they intend to deceive.  It is so blatant that it takes my breath away!


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« Reply #476 on: Jan 25, 2007, 06:34 PM »
Considering the unexpected windfall Brokeback Mountain made for the studio, that is pretty cheesy don't you think? I have a wide screen and full screen version and am content with them until something better than what is being offered comes along.

Profit and money is their promary consideration.  I don't think they really give a d*mn about the movie...

Oh well.  At least we have the movie.


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« Reply #477 on: Jan 25, 2007, 07:42 PM »
If the problem is that you DVD player is set to just one region I can soon help you fix that. You will be able to set it to region 0 - global.

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Aww, thanks sweetheart :^^) I still haven't decided to get it, but if I do I'll be in touch :) Sorry *o)
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« Reply #478 on: Jan 25, 2007, 08:52 PM »
Straight from the blogosphere.  Please read.  I think many of you will share the final sentiments.

From: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/01/23/132653.php

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DVD Review: The New Brokeback Mountain Collector's Edition Leaves Questions Unanswered
Written by Jet in Columbus
Published January 23, 2007




I want to make something really clear up front.

My very first article for BC Magazine was an enthusiastic and loving tribute to Brokeback Mountain. I’ve written a few more on the subject that were just as positive afterward, so it’s a fair assessment that I’m a fan. I make this statement because I found this new edition a disappointment, not because of the storyline or the production values, but because I was expecting — no I was hoping for — what I didn’t get.

With the addition of the unused amount of space afforded on a second disc, I expected DVD extras such as outtakes and flubbed lines. After reading reports of how the original film had to be edited from nearly three hours down to two hours and fourteen minutes, I wanted to see what was edited out. Any true fan of the film would welcome — no, downright relish — the chance to enjoy a two and a half hour or even longer version, just to see what was missed and to satisfy a hunger for more of the story.

Perhaps more than all the other unanswered questions, I’d hoped to discover the solution to the mysterious missing scenes from the movie that have been taunting me for over a year now.

Missing scenes?

I’ll get to that in a moment and present evidence of them.

When it all comes down to it, if you don’t own a DVD version of Brokeback Mountain yet or have a brand new HD/DVD player, then you should definitely buy this edition now. This is a glorious and beautiful presentation of an incredible film that’s not to be missed. The HD in HD/DVD is obvious and magnificent.

However, if you already own the original DVD released in 2006 don’t bother with this one. Instead, try holding out for a director’s cut version further down the road and hope it’s not until a tenth anniversary edition is released.

Here’s why.

Having seen the movie repeatedly - having for all intents and purposes memorized this DVD - having put up an entire tribute web page to it, I can say without doubt that this is the exact same transfer to disc of the original DVD, complete with soundtrack foibles and all.

For example, in chapter five there's a scene where Ennis is setting up the camp tent and Jack is laying on his back playing his harmonica. Over the dialogue there's an annoying reverb that I expected would have been repaired or replaced on this version, but disappointingly wasn't.

Of the seven DVD extras, four of them already came with the previously presented original 2006 release.

They are:

Directing from the Heart: Ang Lee. A great tribute to an equally great director.
From Script to Screen: Interviews with Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana. The screenwriters explain how they discovered the short story and subsequently brought it to life.
Sharing the Story: The Making of Brokeback Mountain. The best produced extra on the disc and well worth watching.
On Being a Cowboy. On how the cast learned to convincingly portray life in the saddle and the culture that goes with it.

Of the above, the most work seems to have gone into Sharing the Story, which was actually a TV special produced by the LOGO cable network. It appears to have been tacked onto the original disc in place of Focus Features/Universal Studios going to the expense of producing a better one of their own and is resubmitted here.

In my opinion the three new featurettes for this collection are not worth rationalizing the use of an additional disc. In fact one of the new extras is included on the main movie disc. Had it been conveniently grouped with all the others on the second disc, it would have allowed room for an extended version of the movie. This is what people hope for when a movie expands to two discs — but not here.


Make sure you check the packaging before you whip out your charge card and make sure you're getting the more expensive HD/DVD - DVD combo. If not, basically your second DVD purchase would essentially buy the same original 2006 release that you already own with only the following features tacked on:

A Groundbreaking Success: How do you combat a beautiful heart-touching love story being instantly labeled “The Gay Cowboy Movie?” This subject deserved at least half an hour or more; it absolutely deserved more than a mere seventeen minutes.

It consists of mostly interviews with gay film critics who cannot stop referring to “queer filmmakers”, political and social analysts, and is sprinkled with very few old and new brief snippets of interviews with the cast and director. A fleeting glimpse is given of how the movie trailer for the film gained a life of its own with spoofs of other films' trailers, such as Brokeback to the Future and Top Gun. The producers noted that these parodies were good natured and accepting, which they were.   

What isn’t included but should have been was an examination of the real world controversy and opposition that this movie generated, if for no other reason than to add contrast to an otherwise self-praising featurette. I wanted to see and hear about the theaters that had agreed to show the film and then pulled out at the last moment because of the religious right’s opposition.

Missing also was how most of us felt cheated that the early advertising concerned itself with the heterosexual relationships involved in the storyline instead of the one between Jack and Ennis. I’m sure many early straight theatergoers thought they’d been “bait and switched” an hour into the film. Also blatantly missing was Heath and Jake winning the MTV best kiss award. I also would have liked to have seen and laughed at Lance Armstrong again while kidding his good friend Jake at the ESPY awards "preferring it in the rear... of the theater!"

What is infuriatingly, inexplicably, and inexcusably missing is an interview with Annie Proulx, the creator of the story.

Impressions From The Film is a very scant two and a half minute slide show set to music from the film. This is similar to a feature that could be found on Brokeback Mountain’s website, the difference being that the images here literally blink by at breakneck speed, are grouped together by scene but then are presented inexplicably out of order, so skip this one.

Music From The Mountain is the one saving grace and is more or less a tribute to Academy Award-winning composer Gustavo Santaolalla’s wonderful work on the film. It astonishingly reveals that the magnificent musical score was written before the movie was even shot. Ang Lee had the score playing on CD or running through his head during the filming and scenes were shot to fit Gustavo's beautiful music! It also covers the quest to find just the right vocal performers like Willie Nelson and others to showcase this movie’s score. To actually watch Willie sing, “He Was A Friend Of Mine” in the studio brought me to tears.

This featurette is very enjoyable to watch, however it is over just as you are getting into and enjoying it. At only a little over eleven minutes long, it seems disappointingly short.

The package also comes with eight postcards. These are beautifully printed and big. Any collector would cherish them, particularly the facsimile of Jack’s note to Ennis. The problem is that that note was on a general delivery card and was only half as big as the one that’s presented. No matter. Just don’t tack them up on the wall if you're thinking of keeping them as collectibles.


The film has more enhanced soundtrack options, and is also now dubbed in Spanish.

Having said that…

I’ll repeat from another review I’ve done that if you’ve already seen the film or DVD, watch the extras first. They’ll give you a clearer understanding of the story and the work that went into presenting it. If you’ve never seen the film or DVD, watch the movie first then check out the DVD extras.

As for the movie itself, watching it again only confirms my original assessment of what a great work it is. It also reinforces my firm conviction that both Brokeback Mountain and Heath Ledger were blatantly robbed out of political correctness, or just plain homophobic internal politics at the Academy Awards.


I hadn’t seen any of Heath Ledger’s films before Brokeback Mountain so I had nothing to compare his performance to. Now that I have, I can appreciate what a master performance he gave in this film. To observe a previously merely serviceable actor so completely become his character was a joy to watch. Nor is his work here truly appreciated unless you take the time first to compare it to what came before.

I think Annie Proulx should be compelled to write a sequel detailing what happened to Ennis after that cabinet door closed. It was unfair to leave us wondering. I was so frustrated, I even wrote my own imagined ending to his story on my fan page. There aren’t many movies that leave a viewer feeling that way, but this is one of them. The only others worth trusting with such a project would be screenwriters Diana Ossana and Larry McMurtry.

To sum things up:

My imagined and hoped for DVD release would have/should have contained the following:


A two and a half hour or longer version with the missing footage edited back into the feature maintaining the film’s continuity.

The early outtakes of Heath Ledger nearly breaking Jake Gyllenhaal’s nose while attempting that award winning and passionate kiss at the foot of the stairs. I wanted to laugh at their frustration at not being able to get the damned bear to roar on cue. I wanted to see both Jake and Ang Lee on the mechanical bull trying to learn how to ride a real one.

I wanted to see what was missing from the second love scene in the tent that was obviously and drastically edited down and way too short. As in straight movies the heterosexual lovers get undressed and almost nothing is left to the imagination. I’m not talking about showing porn here, I’m talking realism, which I’m sure was experimented with, but discarded because of threats of how the film might be rated.

At least a minimum of thirty minutes of flubbed lined outtakes as a DVD extra showing how much the cast enjoyed the filming.

Missing scene: In the movie trailer there’s a shot of Jack standing on the log bridge shirtless looking down into the stream; this scene was cut from the film.

Missing scene: At the campfire when Jack and Ennis get away to the mountain for the first time in four years, there’s a shot of them (see above) sitting next to each other laughing, which isn’t included in the film. At the opening of the "If you can't fix it Jack, you gotta stand it" scene, Ennis is still joking about Jack forgetting his harmonica. When Ennis joins him on the log he doesn't smile. I believe this missing piece is a prelude to the gut wrenching dialogue that followed and deserves to be edited back in.

I’d include an interview with Annie Proulx about how she wrote the story, her reaction to the movie and how she wasn’t included in the production of it.


Missing scene: In the movie trailer there’s a mysterious man with a concerned look on his face and a teenaged boy standing behind him in front of a cluttered garage, neither of whom are seen nor mentioned in the movie.

Missing scene: In the movie trailer there’s the line, “Well, since we’re going to be working together, I reckon it’s time we started drinking together.” It must have been filmed and should be cut back into the movie.

If that’s what you — no, what we were all hoping for, you won’t find it here. I can only hope that the powers that be at Focus Features read this and create a “director’s cut” just for us based on the above wish list.

And that’s why I’m disappointed.

Not in the film, which is one of the greatest I’ve ever seen, but at the bean counters at Universal that figured we’d buy anything they offered disregarding our hopes.

But of course this is only my opinion.




Thomas:

Thanks so much for posting the websites & your detailed opinion.  I don't own the DVD, but have ordered this one, so it will look good to me.  However, I also wanted the outtakes, commentaries from the principals, and of course, we all want a longer SNIT!  :-* That really was the most beautiful scene I've ever seen, but agree that it was way too short. 

I hadn't seen Heath in anything before BBM either and am glad I hadn't.  I still haven't seen many of his films - am looking for them - but do see glimpses of Ennis in some of his characters, i.e. the squints, winks, etc. 

Maybe one day we'll get what we want.  In the meantime, we can enjoy over & over & over what we have.   <^(

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« Reply #479 on: Jan 25, 2007, 08:59 PM »
Maybe one day we'll get what we want.  In the meantime, we can enjoy over & over & over what we have.   <^(

If you haven't bought it before then I think it is probably a good value, but I have both the wide screen and full screen versions and was really looking forward to more significant extras.
There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

Ennis, riding against the wind back to the sheep in the treacherous, drunken darken light, thought he'd never had such a good time, felt he could paw the white out of the moon.