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« Reply #630 on: Dec 03, 2008, 09:45 AM »
Gorgeous!  I love it how you tie this in with all the rejection Jack must have suffered from -- as epitomized by the rodeo clown episode.  That as beautifully expressed, loreen.

 :t) Cleo!  ^f^

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« Reply #631 on: Dec 03, 2008, 09:46 AM »
Thanks for making the connection.  :)


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Re: Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
« Reply #632 on: Dec 06, 2008, 02:27 AM »
Gorgeous!  I love it how you tie this in with all the rejection Jack must have suffered from -- as epitomized by the rodeo clown episode.  That as beautifully expressed, loreen.

Agreed.  Lovely expression of what we saw, Loreen.  And Smartestsonia, too -- that Jack had absolutely no idea how Ennis's life was now.  For all he knew, Ennis was utterly in love with Alma and loving his married life and all.  What a stunning surprise for him!!

And as we've said many times, just unbelievable how beautifully both Heath and Jake played this.  Well, all of it!  There is not one misstep in their portrayals, and they played them so realistically and subtly.  These two "straight" men really knew that deep and wild and true love is NOT just between a man and a woman!

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Re: Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
« Reply #633 on: Dec 06, 2008, 06:07 AM »
:t) Cleo!  ^f^

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The joy that the runion brings to Ennis and Jack and to all of us is simply magical...Its like we go into the world of Ennis and Jack and want nothing but to see them together forever and ever

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« Reply #634 on: Dec 06, 2008, 06:07 AM »
Agreed.  Lovely expression of what we saw, Loreen.  And Smartestsonia, too -- that Jack had absolutely no idea how Ennis's life was now.  For all he knew, Ennis was utterly in love with Alma and loving his married life and all.  What a stunning surprise for him!!

And as we've said many times, just unbelievable how beautifully both Heath and Jake played this.  Well, all of it!  There is not one misstep in their portrayals, and they played them so realistically and subtly.  These two "straight" men really knew that deep and wild and true love is NOT just between a man and a woman!

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Thank you Kathy ^f^ ..You said it all so very beautifully..We really see that Heath and Jake saw that love can be sacred and beautiful between 2 people irrespective of gender..They gave their heart and soul to the Characters and so we all the more love watching what we see as it is too real for us..These scenes touch our hearts so very deeply and leaves us mersmerized and exilerated.  <^(
The reunion scene did leave Jack overjoyed and overwhelmed as he got all that he was looking forward to ..I feel he must have not even expected this much..He was in a dilemma as to how would it be meeting Ennis after all these long 4 years..Would it be the same as 4 years is long ? ..But the love of Ennis was more passionate as he repressed it for so long..It came out as a stunning truth to Jack and the kiss gave him so much joy that his heart was filled with love, affection and wanting Ennis and nothing else. <^(

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Re: Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
« Reply #635 on: Dec 08, 2008, 09:24 AM »
Agreed.  Lovely expression of what we saw, Loreen.  And Smartestsonia, too -- that Jack had absolutely no idea how Ennis's life was now.  For all he knew, Ennis was utterly in love with Alma and loving his married life and all.  What a stunning surprise for him!!

And as we've said many times, just unbelievable how beautifully both Heath and Jake played this.  Well, all of it!  There is not one misstep in their portrayals, and they played them so realistically and subtly.  These two "straight" men really knew that deep and wild and true love is NOT just between a man and a woman!

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What makes this all the more beautiful is that they were able to rise above a gender-specific love and portray love as really something universal.  This universality is at the heart of why their acting here will be remembered as great.


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« Reply #636 on: Dec 08, 2008, 09:42 AM »
What makes this all the more beautiful is that they were able to rise above a gender-specific love and portray love as really something universal.  This universality is at the heart of why their acting here will be remembered as great.



I have to admit that one part of me enjoys all their intimate scenes beyond expectations, and with no obvious weakening. Just enjoy it to the full! But the other part of me is surprised each time I watch it, how tremendous job this two young actors have done. I just can't find any fault in all their acting  of intimacy. Really looks sooooo real, that can tremble my body over and over again.  :P

Heath & Jake  (:) (:) (:)

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« Reply #637 on: Dec 09, 2008, 10:12 AM »
I have to admit that one part of me enjoys all their intimate scenes beyond expectations, and with no obvious weakening. Just enjoy it to the full! But the other part of me is surprised each time I watch it, how tremendous job this two young actors have done. I just can't find any fault in all their acting  of intimacy. Really looks sooooo real, that can tremble my body over and over again.  :P

Heath & Jake  (:) (:) (:)

In large measure, we love certain scenes because our actors have portrayed the characters so wonderfully.  Our admiration of certain scenes leans heavily on the beauty of their Art.


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« Reply #638 on: Dec 09, 2008, 12:33 PM »
In large measure, we love certain scenes because our actors have portrayed the characters so wonderfully.  Our admiration of certain scenes leans heavily on the beauty of their Art.



I also ask myself how much Ang Lee has put into these scenes - was it Jake and Heath who decided completely where to go ( ^-^ ) and what to do in those scenes, or Lee directed them how to arrange the scene step by step. Especially because Jake felt a little shut out by Lee, and felt like they're just on their own. Hm... maybe it was a way to make two leading actors more connected and more persuasive ...

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Re: Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
« Reply #639 on: Dec 09, 2008, 01:55 PM »
I also ask myself how much Ang Lee has put into these scenes - was it Jake and Heath who decided completely where to go ( ^-^ ) and what to do in those scenes, or Lee directed them how to arrange the scene step by step. Especially because Jake felt a little shut out by Lee, and felt like they're just on their own. Hm... maybe it was a way to make two leading actors more connected and more persuasive ...
Interesting question...I have not seen many interviews about BBM to know what happened behind the scenes and how they went about...I think even though Ang would have given Heath and Jake's description about it , when the scene was on they just put themselves in Ennis and Jack's shoes and tried to feel that they would have felt and could relate to the characters so very well that they just went with the flow and it looked so dam real...

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Re: Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
« Reply #640 on: Dec 09, 2008, 11:06 PM »
Director Ang Lee on Working with Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal: “They are pretty opposite. I think Heath is very methodic. I don’t usually ask them. They don’t have to tell me; they just understand what I tell them. When I see something I like, that’s all that counts. What they use, how they get there, I never bother them.
I guess Heath has a very meticulous way of approaching the character, because from take to take there is not a lot of difference. It’s not like he pre-programmed it and he actually went without responding. He would respond, but he set himself in a certain zone that seemed to me pre-determined and he kept refining it. Jake, on the other hand, was more free style. Every take he would have a wide variety with an understanding of what the scene was about, what the character develops. That might conflict with Heath’s performance sometimes. He’ll respond differently. In a way, I think it’s good, because Heath is really the anchor for that Western mood. So, it’s good that he’s reliable and always that way with very subtle changes.

Jake, I sometimes had to remind him that innocence is on his side. As a young actor they are scary good, but they can forget that innocence is on their side. They are too skillful; they take away some of the innocence. So, basically just remind them.”

Ang Lee on Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal’s Chemistry Onscreen: “The chemistry I pretty much played in my head because nobody sees. I didn’t see it. I just imagined they were a good couple. I cast Heath very much as the short story required. I did something quite different with Jake. In the novel, he is even stronger, bulkier, shorter, very rough. And Jake, of course, is more like a city boy. I think he is a good romantic lead and I think he is a good counterpart to Heath.

I cast Jake first and then Heath. I was hoping I would meet somebody like Heath. As soon as I met Heath, I imagined they would be a good match for a romantic love story. The first time I met them together we were in L.A. in a restaurant. So, that was the first time all three of us were together.”

Ang Lee Doesn’t Think About the Performances in Terms of Being Brave: “Once you are in a zone, whatever scares you, once you are believing you are falling in love with something, it disappears. All they are worrying about is how to make it work. And after you make it, you have to talk your way out of it. You see what happens and you’re concerned again. But when we’re doing that, we are happy. We are just happy and we are anxious whether a scene will work or not. They are good actors. That is what they should do. I believe that much. So it never occurred to me that female fans, girls, what would happen to their careers... They knew what they were getting into.

I remember at one point in the first lovemaking scene in the tent, I remember thinking, ‘This is brave,’ particularly of Jake. The way he pounds. You see in the dark…but I see very clear right in front of my eyes, the detail, and it was very close with a hand-held camera. The whole scene was in one shot. So many times you see beautiful lovemaking scenes with a lot of exposure or an awkward lovemaking scene, but I think it’s very rare that you see it private. And that’s what we were shooting for with this story. And I think you see some private moment there [with] actors kind of beside themselves. I think, as actors are, they are pretty brave.”
 

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Re: Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
« Reply #641 on: Dec 10, 2008, 08:46 AM »
Thanks atalley! 

Yes, I think Jake commented a number of times about Ang Lee pretty much letting them do their thing with minimal hints and guidance.  Some read some irritation on his part regarding this, but given his comments about Fincher and some of the other directors he worked with, it was clear that Jake didn't intend it to be a personal criticism. 

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« Reply #642 on: Dec 10, 2008, 09:31 AM »
Atalley, thanks a million for posting this! Loved it! <^(

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Re: Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
« Reply #643 on: Dec 11, 2008, 02:14 AM »
Thanks Atalley  ^f^

I loved reading your above post...It made me very happy to know Ang's perspective and the Brilliance of Heath and Jake is out of the world..Love them  <^(

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Re: Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
« Reply #644 on: Feb 14, 2009, 07:31 PM »
My favorite scene is when Aguirre is watching them. You see Ennis flip Jack's hat off his head while he is taking a leak.
Then they chase each other around. They are having such a great time in that scene. I always rewind that scene two or tree times. It always makes me laugh. What makes me cry the most is the scene where Jack is sleeping standing up. And a close second is the shirts scene. 

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« Reply #645 on: Feb 15, 2009, 02:59 AM »
My favorite scene is when Aguirre is watching them. You see Ennis flip Jack's hat off his head while he is taking a leak.
Then they chase each other around. They are having such a great time in that scene. I always rewind that scene two or tree times. It always makes me laugh. What makes me cry the most is the scene where Jack is sleeping standing up. And a close second is the shirts scene. 

As much as I like the scene too, the Aguirre's disgusted face and the whole atmosphere after it is a cruel reminder of the approaching end...  :(
 

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Re: Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
« Reply #646 on: Feb 16, 2009, 11:21 AM »
I'd love this scene,as long as it wasn't brutally interupted by Aguirre's watching them.As Loreen says,it's like a reminder that they belong to an environment that forbides their love and that their BBM paradise is arriving to an end.
Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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« Reply #647 on: Feb 16, 2009, 12:04 PM »
I'd love this scene,as long as it wasn't brutally interupted by Aguirre's watching them.As Loreen says,it's like a reminder that they belong to an environment that forbides their love and that their BBM paradise is arriving to an end.

During the movie, there's always an interruption of their love scenes... This one too! And I so love after a short wrestling when Jack laid on the floor and Ennis kissed him behind the hat! <^( <^( <^(

Unfortunately also interrupted. :(

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Re: Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
« Reply #648 on: Feb 16, 2009, 12:27 PM »
During the movie, there's always an interruption of their love scenes... This one too! And I so love after a short wrestling when Jack laid on the floor and Ennis kissed him behind the hat! <^( <^( <^(

Unfortunately also interrupted. :(
Yes,but the other love scenes are cut for some of the reasons we have talked about in the respective threads(not showing too much in order everyone can make one's favorite way of develop it,not becoming a X movie,changing movies lesson,etc...).But all of us can imagine they're happy then and that there will be much more love scenes in their little BBM paradise.In exchange,in this one-no matter we know they feel happy-society rules and homophobia incarnated in Aguirre,appears soon to show us that this is only a break in their lives that won't never be the same,even if they will come back to the mountain some years after.
Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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« Reply #649 on: Feb 16, 2009, 12:58 PM »
Yes,but the other love scenes are cut for some of the reasons we have talked about in the respective threads(not showing too much in order everyone can make one's favorite way of develop it,not becoming a X movie,changing movies lesson,etc...).But all of us can imagine they're happy then and that there will be much more love scenes in their little BBM paradise.In exchange,in this one-no matter we know they feel happy-society rules and homophobia incarnated in Aguirre,appears soon to show us that this is only a break in their lives that won't never be the same,even if they will come back to the mountain some years after.

The painful, but also logical thing for me is that they never go back to Brokeback! (Just now when I wrote this sentence, my tears started to fall down as crazy.... :\'( ) Cos they never had their sweet life again. All their meetings were more like a surrogate for those "distant summer up there on Brokeback". Brokeback - is their paradise, the only place they loved in their "separated and difficult lives"  :\'( :\'( :\'(




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Re: Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
« Reply #650 on: Feb 17, 2009, 09:03 AM »
My favorite scene is when Aguirre is watching them. You see Ennis flip Jack's hat off his head while he is taking a leak.
Then they chase each other around. They are having such a great time in that scene. I always rewind that scene two or tree times. It always makes me laugh. What makes me cry the most is the scene where Jack is sleeping standing up. And a close second is the shirts scene. 

The former scene is so Whitmanesque.  It was wonderful to see -- up until you realize that you view the two of them through Aguirre's eyes!

And yes, the Dozy Embrace is as moving as it is beautiful.


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« Reply #651 on: Feb 18, 2009, 11:37 AM »
For me,DE is a kind of explanation of why they firstly became good friends,and after,fell in love with each other; they had found someone not only to share their daily tasks with,but also a part of their respective lives.They gave each other all the affection,company and understanding they hadn't could find at their own homes-with the exception of their mothers-;it was as if they were kids once more,as if they had recovered the lost time to develop these feelings.And,for this same reason,in this scene Ennis gives Jack a bit of this lost affection he found in his mother when a child;by behaving with him as his mother did,he became the lover now instead of the loved he was then.I don't know if this makes sense...
Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
« Reply #652 on: Feb 18, 2009, 01:44 PM »
For me,DE is a kind of explanation of why they firstly became good friends,and after,fell in love with each other; they had found someone not only to share their daily tasks with,but also a part of their respective lives.They gave each other all the affection,company and understanding they hadn't could find at their own homes-with the exception of their mothers-;it was as if they were kids once more,as if they had recovered the lost time to develop these feelings.And,for this same reason,in this scene Ennis gives Jack a bit of this lost affection he found in his mother when a child;by behaving with him as his mother did,he became the lover now instead of the loved he was then.I don't know if this makes sense...

You put into words what I feel about the DE.
Your posts are always wonderful to read and make perfect sense to me.   :)

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« Reply #653 on: Feb 18, 2009, 05:16 PM »
You put into words what I feel about the DE.
Your posts are always wonderful to read and make perfect sense to me.   :)

Oh,thank you so much,Min ¡  ^f^ I don't know if they're wonderful-poor me,with my English¡-,but I can say that they're deeply felt.Perhaps this is Brokie language... :)
Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
« Reply #654 on: Feb 19, 2009, 08:49 AM »
I must admit that some of my favorite scenes are not even significant ones.  An example would be at the starting scenes up on BBM.  It is evening, and we see the light of the setting sun painting the clouds and we see Jack riding his horse, on his way to spend the night with the sheep...

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« Reply #655 on: Feb 19, 2009, 11:16 AM »
I must admit that some of my favorite scenes are not even significant ones.  An example would be at the starting scenes up on BBM.  It is evening, and we see the light of the setting sun painting the clouds and we see Jack riding his horse, on his way to spend the night with the sheep...

I was just watching BBM last night (midnight-2AM!!!) Like the scene you mentioned.

And my "sobbing" scene when Jack introduces himself to Ennis in front of Aguirre's office was OK last night (I was sleepy, and had no power to cry), but for me that scene is very beautiful and introduce us to their characters. Jack was so lovely there as well as Ennis. But for a very long time I couldn't watch it at all  - too painful! :(

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« Reply #656 on: Feb 20, 2009, 09:41 AM »
I was just watching BBM last night (midnight-2AM!!!) Like the scene you mentioned.

And my "sobbing" scene when Jack introduces himself to Ennis in front of Aguirre's office was OK last night (I was sleepy, and had no power to cry), but for me that scene is very beautiful and introduce us to their characters. Jack was so lovely there as well as Ennis. But for a very long time I couldn't watch it at all  - too painful! :(

Not exactly a scene, but I did mention before that my deceased friend Robert used to shed tears at the openning 2 notes of the BBM theme in the beginning of the movie...


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« Reply #657 on: Feb 20, 2009, 04:28 PM »
Not exactly a scene, but I did mention before that my deceased friend Robert used to shed tears at the openning 2 notes of the BBM theme in the beginning of the movie...

This is like a returning to the place we were hurt at. Your friend needed only the beginning of the music ( and I can admit that I can relate to that), and I was really sobbing each time when Jack went out of Aguirre's office and with such a warm smile and encouraging voice introduced himself to Ennis, nodding and provoking Ennis to say his family name too. During that scene I had all his sad life, all his longings and wishes, love and pain in front of me, and I was dead... just like now e.g. :\'( :\'( :\'(


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Re: Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
« Reply #658 on: Feb 21, 2009, 10:25 PM »
Not exactly a scene, but I did mention before that my deceased friend Robert used to shed tears at the openning 2 notes of the BBM theme in the beginning of the movie...


I'm not the only one who has said this, but our tears can easily start with the Focus Features intro, before BBM even starts! 

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Re: Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
« Reply #659 on: Feb 21, 2009, 10:28 PM »
This is like a returning to the place we were hurt at. Your friend needed only the beginning of the music ( and I can admit that I can relate to that), and I was really sobbing each time when Jack went out of Aguirre's office and with such a warm smile and encouraging voice introduced himself to Ennis, nodding and provoking Ennis to say his family name too. During that scene I had all his sad life, all his longings and wishes, love and pain in front of me, and I was dead... just like now e.g. :\'( :\'( :\'(


Oh, I know.  That scene is like the epitome of the two of them, such a poetic expression of where they've come from and where they are going.  Jack is an angel -- a colorful, lively, loving angel -- come to bring some joy...and pain...to poor lonesome Ennis.   <^(   :\'(

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