Topic: First Night In Tent

[ms.bluesky]

i think he did it cause he was cold also he was trying to make a move cause everyone knows that jack like ennis so it was his chance

[gimmejack]

Now who has balls the size of camels?

Uh, I think it was balls the size of apples....if that coyote had balls the size of camels then I think Ennis would have run a mile

Getting this slightly back on topic, I really believe that Jack knew Ennis wouldn't hit him. Don't think he knew exactly what Ennis would do, but I'm sure he wouldn't have doen anything if he thought it would end with Ennis beating him up or, worse, running off. I think there had been enough signs that Ennis was feeling something for Jack to take a chance.

I was waiting for that...it was too late and i was too lazy to change it!!!  heehee

[aintfoolin]

Ennis is the valedictorian of pulling down pants at BB school of higher learning.I need a stop watch.

[CherryCake]

Well, I would go south in a heart beat if the satellite campus was in Texas.   

[smilesalot]

Yah that pants grab was a mighty masterful for one "who ain't never had the opportunity." Came natural, I suppose. Although I sure as heck have a thing or two to say to the cameraman (Ang Lee?) about cutting away from the ass reveal so damned fast. Geez. Um..for the sake of Ennis, I mean. Couldn't Ennis have a few minutes there to just take in the scenery before it got covered up with something else? Well, come to think of it....well...maybe not. Hell bent for leather and ready to ride..YEE-HAW.

[aintfoolin]

Maybe Ennis says : Here's my oppotunity, I'm takin it before he changes his mind?.........NAW, JACK WAS'NT GOIN NO WHERE.

[Patriot1]

is this the naughty little brokies thread???!!!

You can't even begin to imagine gimmejack. A most beautiful first coupling has been redused to the best porn scene ever filmed.

[gimmejack]

is this the naughty little brokies thread???!!!

You can't even begin to imagine gimmejack. A most beautiful first coupling has been redused to the best porn scene ever filmed.

Hahaha indeed!

[*Froggy*]

It's not 100% off topic, but I would rather have you all go back to the actual scene...thankx

[hpv]

I will have to read the previous pages!  I just dying to turn on the DVD after reading the posts just from today!!

My instinct exactly, I reread,some pages only, on this thread ,wow, and it was just like  I was watching the scene again..lol




 BTW,has anyone notice the little devillike tail, that is behind Ennis on the tent...?   

[jacks_key]

 BTW,has anyone notice the little devillike tail, that is behind Ennis on the tent...?   

OMG, I never noticed that!  LOL   

[smilesalot]

OMG. That's hilarious!

[manhattangirl]

So now is this Ennis new excuse, "The devil "made him to it?

[City Slickin' Cowboy]

  You learn something new all the time.

[CrimsonSky]

 BTW,has anyone notice the little devillike tail, that is behind Ennis on the tent...?   

ROFL Brilliant spot, hpv! Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "the devil's in the detail"

[Holden Worther]

but you could also look at it in a bad way too. Like what they were about to do was an act of the devil and it is sinful. I myself, do not believe any such thing, but other people could interpurt that way. Makes you think

[one_of_one]

if you look at a less cropped picture there is also at least one "horn" as well - you can just about make it out at the top of that picture.

[aintfoolin]

 Tails and horns on Ennis? Nawwwwww! Pitchfork? ...Maybe.

[sportstalk23]

I must say that Im glad I found this thread because this scene totally surprised me at first i thought what Jack was doing was trying to warm Ennis but after seeing the movie again I saw it completely different I think Ennis didnt want to go in the tent because he was beginning to feel something towards jack attraction most likely it made no sense for him to want to freeze to death than just go in the tent, meanwhile Jack was hoping he would and after the next couple viewings I noticed Jack glance back as Ennis laid down next to him and he smiled? it was subtle but I saw it when Jack took Ennis had and squirmed I said hot damn he's making a move and then I felt a drunk Ennis finally figured out what was up and I thought oh no he's gonna punch him in the face especially when he shoved Jack away  but then all this clutching and grabbing not once is Ennis trying to hit Jack he's struggling with I want this but shouldnt want this and not with him the hands on Jacks face the eyes close very hot (:)and I'm glad Jack didnt back down at that time all this very sexy scene Jack seemed symbolically holding a mirror to Ennis trying to get him to finally face the writing on on the wall as my favorite marvin gaye song "After the dance" " I want you and you want me" which was pretty obvious i think Ennis said that I aint queer one shot deal as a way of running a way from his true feelings for Jack by disguising it as some well it sort of just happened no way pal they way he just shoved Jack to the floor of that tent  and Jack pounding his fist on the floor (:)AWESOME I didnt have a problem with this scene its one of my favs because of its intensity and it was aggressive and thats always hot  and the unbuckling of belts it wouldnt have been realistic if the SNIT happened first because this scene set up all of E&J's issues

[tpe]

I must say that Im glad I found this thread because this scene totally surprised me at first i thought what Jack was doing was trying to warm Ennis but after seeing the movie again I saw it completely different I think Ennis didnt want to go in the tent because he was beginning to feel something towards jack attraction most likely it made no sense for him to want to freeze to death than just go in the tent, meanwhile Jack was hoping he would and after the next couple viewings I noticed Jack glance back as Ennis laid down next to him and he smiled? it was subtle but I saw it when Jack took Ennis had and squirmed I said hot damn he's making a move and then I felt a drunk Ennis finally figured out what was up and I thought oh no he's gonna punch him in the face especially when he shoved Jack away  but then all this clutching and grabbing not once is Ennis trying to hit Jack he's struggling with I want this but shouldnt want this and not with him the hands on Jacks face the eyes close very hot (:)and I'm glad Jack didnt back down at that time all this very sexy scene Jack seemed symbolically holding a mirror to Ennis trying to get him to finally face the writing on on the wall as my favorite marvin gaye song "After the dance" " I want you and you want me" which was pretty obvious i think Ennis said that I aint queer one shot deal as a way of running a way from his true feelings for Jack by disguising it as some well it sort of just happened no way pal they way he just shoved Jack to the floor of that tent  and Jack pounding his fist on the floor (:)AWESOME I didnt have a problem with this scene its one of my favs because of its intensity and it was aggressive and thats always hot  and the unbuckling of belts it wouldnt have been realistic if the SNIT happened first because this scene set up all of E&J's issues

Thanks for the comments, sportstalk23.  I did feel that in this scene, we see Ennis struggling with himself more than anything else.  It was also very beautifully acted out by both of them -- there is an eagerness in Jack's face ("I want you, no matter what") and Ennis is all repressed desire, IMO. 

Again, would yopu find it strange that in some of the early comments about this scene in the forum, some members were taken aback by the "roughness" or abruptness of the entire thing.  It was certainly meant to be so, in contrast to the SNIT.

[sportstalk23]

Thanks for the comments, sportstalk23.  I did feel that in this scene, we see Ennis struggling with himself more than anything else.  It was also very beautifully acted out by both of them -- there is an eagerness in Jack's face ("I want you, no matter what") and Ennis is all repressed desire, IMO. 

Again, would yopu find it strange that in some of the early comments about this scene in the forum, some members were taken aback by the "roughness" or abruptness of the entire thing.  It was certainly meant to be so, in contrast to the SNIT.

I could understant how some may have thought the FNIT was too rough not me to me it was very realitistic some people dont have sex the first time with flowers candles and soft music  or much discussion you kinda just go for it and Jack sure did I'm still curious about what happened when they finished im sure that was hot too cuz Jack sure was sleeping peacefully wasnt he

[tpe]

I could understant how some may have thought the FNIT was too rough not me to me it was very realitistic some people dont have sex the first time with flowers candles and soft music  or much discussion you kinda just go for it and Jack sure did I'm still curious about what happened when they finished im sure that was hot too cuz Jack sure was sleeping peacefully wasnt he

Yes, I do think it was all very deliberately acted -- almost like a dance.  So mauch dancing in this movie -- lieral and figurative,  It was so wonderfully acted out as to look very natural, as lovers try to clumsily take stock of themselves and each other for the very first time.

 

[aintfoolin]

I must say that Im glad I found this thread because this scene totally surprised me at first i thought what Jack was doing was trying to warm Ennis but after seeing the movie again I saw it completely different I think Ennis didnt want to go in the tent because he was beginning to feel something towards jack attraction most likely it made no sense for him to want to freeze to death than just go in the tent, meanwhile Jack was hoping he would and after the next couple viewings I noticed Jack glance back as Ennis laid down next to him and he smiled? it was subtle but I saw it when Jack took Ennis had and squirmed I said hot damn he's making a move and then I felt a drunk Ennis finally figured out what was up and I thought oh no he's gonna punch him in the face especially when he shoved Jack away  but then all this clutching and grabbing not once is Ennis trying to hit Jack he's struggling with I want this but shouldnt want this and not with him the hands on Jacks face the eyes close very hot (:)and I'm glad Jack didnt back down at that time all this very sexy scene Jack seemed symbolically holding a mirror to Ennis trying to get him to finally face the writing on on the wall as my favorite marvin gaye song "After the dance" " I want you and you want me" which was pretty obvious i think Ennis said that I aint queer one shot deal as a way of running a way from his true feelings for Jack by disguising it as some well it sort of just happened no way pal they way he just shoved Jack to the floor of that tent  and Jack pounding his fist on the floor (:)AWESOME I didnt have a problem with this scene its one of my favs because of its intensity and it was aggressive and thats always hot  and the unbuckling of belts it wouldnt have been realistic if the SNIT happened first because this scene set up all of E&J's issues

 Excellent post Sportstalk. I stated earlier in another thread that the reason Ennis stayed outside the tent was because he sensed something might happen. Prolonging the inevitable.  I always referred to it as a *mock struggle* because if Ennis really wanted to get away from Jack, he would've. We've seen Ennis disgusted and violent. There was none of that here. He was holding onto Jack as if he wanted something , but could'nt accept having it. He did'nt let go and niether did Jack. I've also pointed out that during the *struggle* Jack placed Ennis's hand back on himself , and this time Ennis DID'NT remove it. Jack then proceeds to take off his coat. I feel at that moment Jack knew he was gonna get Ennis to do what he wanted  whatever that was , and it was gonna involve sex, cuz he sensed  Ennis wanted to too. He was right.

I think that song , (speaking of songs) "Where Will You Go" ,from the "Babyface CD ( Face)  describes Jack and Ennis's story to a T.  Whenever I play it now I think of them. I think there's a  place within the forum somewhere for this type of thing where we can quote song lyrics that we feel describe or fit Jack and Ennis's story is'nt there? Just askin. I can think of so many.

I once heard a co-worker describe FNIT as a "Rape". Needless to say I just had to straighten them out.  Obviously this person was'nt watching the scene as it was intended. Unbeleivable!

[sportstalk23]

Excellent post Sportstalk. I stated earlier in another thread that the reason Ennis stayed outside the tent was because he sensed something might happen. Prolonging the inevitable.  I always referred to it as a *mock struggle* because if Ennis really wanted to get away from Jack, he would've. We've seen Ennis disgusted and violent. There was none of that here. He was holding onto Jack as if he wanted something , but could'nt accept having it. He did'nt let go and niether did Jack. I've also pointed out that during the *struggle* Jack placed Ennis's hand back on himself , and this time Ennis DID'NT remove it. Jack then proceeds to take off his coat. I feel at that moment Jack knew he was gonna get Ennis to do what he wanted  whatever that was , and it was gonna involve sex, cuz he sensed  Ennis wanted to too. He was right.

I think that song , (speaking of songs) "Where Will You Go" ,from the "Babyface CD ( Face)  describes Jack and Ennis's story to a T.  Whenever I play it now I think of them. I think there's a  place within the forum somewhere for this type of thing where we can quote song lyrics that we feel describe or fit Jack and Ennis's story is'nt there? Just askin. I can think of so many.

I once heard a co-worker describe FNIT as a "Rape". Needless to say I just had to straighten them out.  Obviously this person was'nt watching the scene as it was intended. Unbeleivable!

OMG I love Babyface that man could sing about ketchup and I would buy it  :8but you and tpe make goods points about it being a dance and aint foolin(love the name by the way) I believe it was your post that I said yep somebody else knows Ennis is draggin out going in the tent because of what could happen there and yeah bravo to you about the co-worker  :cr)ive had to put some folks in their place too about it being a "rape scene" maybe it shocked Jack at how intense Ennis got but trust me the morning after Jack was not a man who was violated far from it he was wantin Ennis for quite a while and that night Jack was not going just say oops my bad didnt mean to put my hand there I will sleep outside nope that was like a showdown in a way in which they both won

[myprivatejack]

Excellent points,Sportstalk,Thomas and AF¡    For me,FNIT is an explosion of feelings and sensations that have been lightning up these fireworks at the end.Both of them knew for sure than sooner or later it occurred,perhaps in another way,but it was going to occur...I've always thought that Jack was looking for some kind of lighter approachment,maybe caresses let's say,and a quieter lovemaking,more "by its own steps".But circumstances made it as rough as it can be in these cases,as it was logical it happenned;but never,of course,becoming a rape(OMG¡).It was only the reaction of two boys needing love and sex who shared their loneliness and who wished each other as only one can do when one is 19.

[manhattangirl]

I always wondered the shock of FNIT, and the aggressiveness of it could be in part that they were men letting loose that male sexual aggressiveness, (I might be wrong). No hearts no flowers, just raw passion.  I don't see Jack as victim that night he was just as aggressive as Ennis that night,  that tinkle of the belt buckle definitely set Ennis off.   And Jack knew how to yank Ennis's chain,  backing further into him, he grab his arm and pull him foward at that crtical moment he knew what to do and how to it.  It made Ennis nuts.

Naw, this definitely not rape, and to think of it as that is crazy.  JMO. 

 

[tpe]

Excellent points,Sportstalk,Thomas and AF¡    For me,FNIT is an explosion of feelings and sensations that have been lightning up these fireworks at the end.Both of them knew for sure than sooner or later it occurred,perhaps in another way,but it was going to occur...I've always thought that Jack was looking for some kind of lighter approachment,maybe caresses let's say,and a quieter lovemaking,more "by its own steps".But circumstances made it as rough as it can be in these cases,as it was logical it happenned;but never,of course,becoming a rape(OMG¡).It was only the reaction of two boys needing love and sex who shared their loneliness and who wished each other as only one can do when one is 19.

Thanks MPJ.  I think part of it is that Jack wasn't so sure as to how Ennis would react, and this largely accounts for the "roughness" of it all.  I really think that in the beginning, they were trying to grapple with whether to kiss the other or not -- instead, we just see them holding each other's heads, unsure of how to proceed.

[tpe]

I always wondered the shock of FNIT, and the aggressiveness of it could be in part that they were men letting loose that male sexual aggressiveness, (I might be wrong). No hearts no flowers, just raw passion.  I don't see Jack as victim that night he was just as aggressive as Ennis that night,  that tinkle of the belt buckle definitely set Ennis off.   And Jack knew how to yank Ennis's chain,  backing further into him, he grab his arm and pull him foward at that crtical moment he knew what to do and how to it.  It made Ennis nuts.

Naw, this definitely not rape, and to think of it as that is crazy.  JMO. 

Well, Jack certainly knew what he wanted.  Ennis may have been a bit confused in the very beginning, but his sudden decisiveness also reveals that he also implicitly knew what he wanted, in spite of his fears and prejudices.

[sportstalk23]

Thanks MPJ.  I think part of it is that Jack wasn't so sure as to how Ennis would react, and this largely accounts for the "roughness" of it all.  I really think that in the beginning, they were trying to grapple with whether to kiss the other or not -- instead, we just see them holding each other's heads, unsure of how to proceed.

how hot would that have been these 2 making out like that because it seems to me that with all that tussling that kissing could have been a possibility I really felt that Jack was maybe aiming for a kiss when their both just clutching each others faces    and dammit that whole forehead touching thing that only Ennis and Jack can do  we saw that in the reunion as well it's like their way of communicating without words but we know exactly what their trying to say I agree manhattan men do let loose their aggression just like the "punch" and that was also alot of pent up sexual tension between those two its like a dam broke in that tent and there was no stopping what was going to happen

[tpe]

how hot would that have been these 2 making out like that because it seems to me that with all that tussling that kissing could have been a possibility I really felt that Jack was maybe aiming for a kiss when their both just clutching each others faces    and dammit that whole forehead touching thing that only Ennis and Jack can do  we saw that in the reunion as well it's like their way of communicating without words but we know exactly what their trying to say I agree manhattan men do let loose their aggression just like the "punch" and that was also alot of pent up sexual tension between those two its like a dam broke in that tent and there was no stopping what was going to happen

There was certainly a lot of aggression implicit in FNIT.  In fact, I would say that there was a lot of circling about during the first part -- if you know what I mean.