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Offline ennis_lover

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« Reply #420 on: Jul 09, 2006, 11:20 PM »
ennis:You ever get the feelin'... I don't know, er... when you're in town and someone looks at you all suspicious, like he knows? And then you go out on the pavement and everyone looks like they know too?
Jack Twist: [Casually] Well... maybe you oughta get out of there, you know? Find yourself someplace different. Maybe Texas.
Ennis Del Mar: [Sarcastically] Texas? Sure, maybe you can convince Alma to let you and Lureen to adopt the girls. And we can just live together herding sheep. And it'll rain money from LD Newsome and whiskey'll flow in the streams - Jack, that's real smart.
Jack Twist: Go to h***, Ennis. If you wanna live your miserable f**kin' life, then go right ahead.
Ennis Del Mar: Fine.
Jack Twist: I was just thinkin' out loud.
Ennis Del Mar: Yep, you're a real thinker there. Goddamn. Jack f**kin' Twist; got it all figured out, ain't ya

i loved this fight between them lol and i loved this well it really isnt a sentence but i loved the hole thing
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« Reply #421 on: Jul 10, 2006, 12:49 AM »
Quote from: ennis_lover on Jul 09, 2006, 11:20 PM
ennis:You ever get the feelin'... I don't know, er... when you're in town and someone looks at you all suspicious, like he knows? And then you go out on the pavement and everyone looks like they know too?
Jack Twist: [Casually] Well... maybe you oughta get out of there, you know? Find yourself someplace different. Maybe Texas.
Ennis Del Mar: [Sarcastically] Texas? Sure, maybe you can convince Alma to let you and Lureen to adopt the girls. And we can just live together herding sheep. And it'll rain money from LD Newsome and whiskey'll flow in the streams - Jack, that's real smart.
Jack Twist: Go to h***, Ennis. If you wanna live your miserable f**kin' life, then go right ahead.
Ennis Del Mar: Fine.
Jack Twist: I was just thinkin' out loud.
Ennis Del Mar: Yep, you're a real thinker there. Goddamn. Jack f**kin' Twist; got it all figured out, ain't ya

i loved this fight between them lol and i loved this well it really isnt a sentence but i loved the hole thing


The one thing Ennis can never consider, until it's too late, being with Jack. :\'(
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There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

Ennis, riding against the wind back to the sheep in the treacherous, drunken darken light, thought he'd never had such a good time, felt he could paw the white out of the moon.

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« Reply #422 on: Jul 10, 2006, 06:07 AM »
Re: the passage above
I think it's very interesting that in the post-divorce scene, when Ennis looks at the passing truck and his sentence trails off, Jack obviously reads the writing on the wall. "Yeah, ok. I'll see you next month then." But in this scene, he completely misreads (wishful thinking probably) Ennis's meaning. He takes it as Ennis being uneasy in his present surroundings and suggests a change of location. When we can clearly see that what it really means is Ennis is uncomfortable with himself and unfortunately no amount of relocating can get you away from yourself.  :(
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« Reply #423 on: Jul 13, 2006, 04:05 PM »
FlwrChild u r right
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« Reply #424 on: Jul 14, 2006, 07:37 PM »
Yeah well put.  It's like Jack is still in his dream life and he won't let him into his real life.
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Re: Quotes
« Reply #425 on: Jul 15, 2006, 12:47 AM »
Oh God this lines touching my soul... anybody else feel the same when Ennis say:
"Well, why don't you? Why don't you just let me be? It's because of you that I'm like this! I ain't got nothing... I ain't nowhere...(he's crying, Jack try to hug him) Get the f*** off me! (they fall on the ground) I can't stand being like this no more, Jack.  :\'(
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« Reply #426 on: Jul 15, 2006, 01:23 AM »
Quote from: jeffjoe on Jul 15, 2006, 12:47 AM
Oh God this lines touching my soul... anybody else feel the same when Ennis say:
"Well, why don't you? Why don't you just let me be? It's because of you that I'm like this! I ain't got nothing... I ain't nowhere...(he's crying, Jack try to hug him) Get the f*** off me! (they fall on the ground) I can't stand being like this no more, Jack.  :\'(


Omne way of saying I love you, in my opinion :)
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Re: Quotes
« Reply #427 on: Jul 15, 2006, 01:51 AM »
Quote from: jeffjoe on Jul 15, 2006, 12:47 AM
Oh God this lines touching my soul... anybody else feel the same when Ennis say:
"Well, why don't you? Why don't you just let me be? It's because of you that I'm like this! I ain't got nothing... I ain't nowhere...(he's crying, Jack try to hug him) Get the f*** off me! (they fall on the ground) I can't stand being like this no more, Jack.  :\'(

Most heart wrenching scene I have ever seen or could have even imagined.
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« Reply #428 on: Jul 17, 2006, 04:57 PM »
Quote from: gimmejack on Jul 15, 2006, 01:51 AM
Quote from: jeffjoe on Jul 15, 2006, 12:47 AM
Oh God this lines touching my soul... anybody else feel the same when Ennis say:
"Well, why don't you? Why don't you just let me be? It's because of you that I'm like this! I ain't got nothing... I ain't nowhere...(he's crying, Jack try to hug him) Get the f*** off me! (they fall on the ground) I can't stand being like this no more, Jack.  :\'(

Most heart wrenching scene I have ever seen or could have even imagined.

Just as you said, gimmejack.  Utter brilliance -- writers, director, actors.  This whole scene.  Tragic, heartbreaking from the first moment when Ennis says he can't make it in August, to the end, Ennis collapsed in Jack's arms, and then the dozy embrace.  Every single word of this confrontation/fight, is just so stunning, all the problems we all have, compounded by the particular challenges Ennis and Jack have faced all these years.

Okay, and a line I always really like is toward the beginning, when they're standing separated by space, Jack off on that little rise and Ennis still by the trucks, and Jack is ranting and raving (I don't have access right now to print or screen versions to quote this Jack dialogue specifically)...and Ennis says "Go easy on me, Jack."  Somehow, to me, just his saying that, asking Jack to not be so harsh because he (Ennis) has his problems, is...I don't know the words for what it is, but it touches me and moves me and makes me cry for Ennis.  And that's only near the beginning of the scene.

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« Reply #429 on: Jul 17, 2006, 05:41 PM »
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Just as you said, gimmejack.  Utter brilliance -- writers, director, actors.  This whole scene.  Tragic, heartbreaking from the first moment when Ennis says he can't make it in August, to the end, Ennis collapsed in Jack's arms, and then the dozy embrace.  Every single word of this confrontation/fight, is just so stunning, all the problems we all have, compounded by the particular challenges Ennis and Jack have faced all these years.

Okay, and a line I always really like is toward the beginning, when they're standing separated by space, Jack off on that little rise and Ennis still by the trucks, and Jack is ranting and raving (I don't have access right now to print or screen versions to quote this Jack dialogue specifically)...and Ennis says "Go easy on me, Jack."  Somehow, to me, just his saying that, asking Jack to not be so harsh because he (Ennis) has his problems, is...I don't know the words for what it is, but it touches me and moves me and makes me cry for Ennis.  And that's only near the beginning of the scene.

kathy

Yes, Ennis did not want the little time they had together ruined with such news and it must have been wieghing so heavily on him that he had to come out with it knowing how Jack would respond.  Perfectly acted by Heath and OMG I feel for both of them in this scene.  How Jack, in the midst of his own pain and rejection fights Ennis just to be able to console him... :\'(
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« Reply #430 on: Jul 17, 2006, 05:43 PM »
I also love the simplicity, yet many meanings of "Ennis...SONOFABITCH!!!"
Like saying I've missed you, cried for you, searched for you, dreamed of this moment for so long! 
So many emotions in this expression!
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Re: Quotes
« Reply #431 on: Jul 17, 2006, 05:48 PM »
Quote from: gimmejack on Jul 17, 2006, 05:43 PM
I also love the simplicity, yet many meanings of "Ennis...SONOFABITCH!!!"
Like saying I've missed you, cried for you, searched for you, dreamed of this moment for so long! 
So many emotions in this expression!

It's the brilliance of Annie Proulx's writing translated by McMurtry and Ossana and then interpreted by two incredibly gifted actors. I do not think there is one wasted word in the whole movie.
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There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

Ennis, riding against the wind back to the sheep in the treacherous, drunken darken light, thought he'd never had such a good time, felt he could paw the white out of the moon.

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« Reply #432 on: Jul 17, 2006, 05:55 PM »
I so agree...not a wasted word.  Even the simple line when Jack tells Ennis "we dont want the fish and game catchin us with no elk"!  It is like they are being naughty together, bonding  Ennis taking care of Jacks needs and Jack praising him for his efforts..."Wooooowwwweeeee"!!!  Nothing wasted at all.
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« Reply #433 on: Jul 17, 2006, 09:19 PM »
Love all these recent posts...but my new favorite line is Jack's "Mmmmm...." after Ennis says he ain't yet had the opportunity."  Just delicious, the way he says that, and his smile.  Not a thoughtful kind of "hmmm," but like, "oh boy, yummy, one opportunity coming right up, Ennis."

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« Reply #434 on: Jul 18, 2006, 04:31 AM »
Quote from: ksxks on Jul 17, 2006, 09:19 PM
Love all these recent posts...but my new favorite line is Jack's "Mmmmm...." after Ennis says he ain't yet had the opportunity."  Just delicious, the way he says that, and his smile.  Not a thoughtful kind of "hmmm," but like, "oh boy, yummy, one opportunity coming right up, Ennis."

kathy

Mmmmmmm, yes yummy and delicious!!! Love that line.
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« Reply #435 on: Jul 18, 2006, 10:25 PM »
Quote from: ksxks on Jul 17, 2006, 09:19 PM
Love all these recent posts...but my new favorite line is Jack's "Mmmmm...." after Ennis says he ain't yet had the opportunity."  Just delicious, the way he says that, and his smile.  Not a thoughtful kind of "hmmm," but like, "oh boy, yummy, one opportunity coming right up, Ennis."

kathy


Oh yes I love that mmmmmm sounds he makes.
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« Reply #436 on: Jul 18, 2006, 11:50 PM »
And the little half-heard thank-yous from Ennis - when he borrows the lighter in the bar, when Jack pases him a drink - you can tell he's not really used to hearing the sound of his own voice and doesn't want to say much. The noises in the movie are as telling as the owrds sometimes.
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« Reply #437 on: Jul 19, 2006, 02:54 AM »
The noises, grunts, words...I love how BBBOY put it..."Not a wasted word in the movie."
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« Reply #438 on: Sep 06, 2006, 06:53 AM »
Quote from: BBBOY on Jul 17, 2006, 05:48 PM
Quote from: gimmejack on Jul 17, 2006, 05:43 PM
I also love the simplicity, yet many meanings of "Ennis...SONOFABITCH!!!"
Like saying I've missed you, cried for you, searched for you, dreamed of this moment for so long! 
So many emotions in this expression!

It's the brilliance of Annie Proulx's writing translated by McMurtry and Ossana and then interpreted by two incredibly gifted actors. I do not think there is one wasted word in the whole movie.

Absolutely right.
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The most difficult scene was the paragraph where, on the mountain, Ennis holds Jack and rocks back and forth, humming, the moment mixed with childhood loss and his refusal to admit he was holding a man.

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From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood, Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking.

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« Reply #439 on: Sep 06, 2006, 10:47 PM »
One word . . . "Huh"
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« Reply #440 on: Sep 06, 2006, 11:09 PM »
Quote from: jeffjoe on Jul 15, 2006, 12:47 AM
Oh God this lines touching my soul... anybody else feel the same when Ennis say:
"Well, why don't you? Why don't you just let me be? It's because of you that I'm like this! I ain't got nothing... I ain't nowhere...(he's crying, Jack try to hug him) Get the f*** off me! (they fall on the ground) I can't stand being like this no more, Jack.  :\'(


i think this is the most painful quote in the movie and one of my favorite parts even though it is so gut wrenching.   the pain in ennis's voice and the tears that come, he wants to blame it all on Jack but he knows he can't.  he's hurt in more ways than one.   this scene makes me cry the most.    :\'(
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« Reply #441 on: Sep 07, 2006, 12:08 AM »
It's pretty much a summary of a wasted life and affects us because there are times when we all feel like that.
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« Reply #442 on: Sep 07, 2006, 12:23 AM »
Quote from: welshwitch on Sep 07, 2006, 12:08 AM
It's pretty much a summary of a wasted life and affects us because there are times when we all feel like that.

Very true  :\'(
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« Reply #443 on: Sep 07, 2006, 02:45 AM »
Quote from: welshwitch on Sep 07, 2006, 12:08 AM
It's pretty much a summary of a wasted life and affects us because there are times when we all feel like that.


Yes. I certainly know about a wasted life.    :(


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« Reply #444 on: Sep 07, 2006, 06:08 AM »
Dear Patriot  :^^) May it be different for you in future...

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« Reply #445 on: Sep 07, 2006, 09:55 AM »
Quote from: monicita on Sep 07, 2006, 06:08 AM
Dear Patriot  :^^) May it be different for you in future...

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Awww. Thank you sweetheart.    :^^)


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« Reply #446 on: Sep 07, 2006, 05:47 PM »
Quote from: Patriot1 on Sep 07, 2006, 09:55 AM
Quote from: monicita on Sep 07, 2006, 06:08 AM
Dear Patriot  :^^) May it be different for you in future...

monicita

Awww. Thank you sweetheart.    :^^)


Oh yes, the "wasted" time -- P1, you're making me cry, too.

May it be different for us all...

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« Reply #447 on: Sep 08, 2006, 02:14 AM »
John Twist: Jack used to say, "Ennis Del Mar," he used to say; "I'm gonna bring him up here one of these days, and we'll lick this damn ranch into shape. Had some half-baked notion the two of you was gonna move up here. Build a cabin, help run the place.

[pause]

John Twist: Then this spring, he got another fella gonna come up here with him. Build a place, help run the ranch. Some ranch neighbor o' his down in Texas. Was gonna split up with his wife and come back here. But like most of Jack's ideas... never did come to pass.

 :\'(  :\'(  :\'(
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« Reply #448 on: Sep 09, 2006, 04:00 PM »
Dreams that were thwarted or abandoned unfulfilled - Jack had very little chance of realising them, given what he was up against. Yet it's Ennis who claims he has and is nothing, and he knows he had dreams only when it's to late even to acknowledge them to the only person who meant anything to him. Perhpas we ought to give Jack more credit for ay least pursuing his dreams, right to the end.
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« Reply #449 on: Sep 09, 2006, 06:48 PM »
Quote from: welshwitch on Sep 09, 2006, 04:00 PM
Dreams that were thwarted or abandoned unfulfilled - Jack had very little chance of realizing them, given what he was up against. Yet it's Ennis who claims he has and is nothing, and he knows he had dreams only when it's to late even to acknowledge them to the only person who meant anything to him. Perhaps we ought to give Jack more credit for ay least pursuing his dreams, right to the end.

I think it is safe to say, the more one analyzes this quote the more one sees what a strong man Jack has been through the years and what a coward Ennis has been. But this is nothing new, nothing resolved, nothing changed.
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There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

Ennis, riding against the wind back to the sheep in the treacherous, drunken darken light, thought he'd never had such a good time, felt he could paw the white out of the moon.
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