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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Re: What did Ennis or Jack say in the first tent scene? (Spoiler)
« Last post by ennie on Apr 23, 2025, 09:32 AM »others said they might of hear something like f*** me or smth
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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Re: Motel Scene In Book—horseriding?
« Last post by pilot on Feb 13, 2025, 08:11 AM »As a horse rider myself, I can just say that there's a lot of thrusting going on when you're on a horse, as well as you build ridiculous muscles and core strenght. What I think Jack is referring to when he says that is that Ennis can really f*** him silly, because he knows goddamn well how to thrust just right, he can do it hard, fast and for a loooong time. He's got that core strenght, he's got the pelvis control and he for sure has the stamina to not wear out easily.
People who has never been on a horse don't seem to understand how physically challenging it is to ride, and considering that Ennis rides western, which is both hard and fast in comparison to english riding, he probably built up even more of that strenght and stamina.
Tldr; Jack is complimenting Ennis for how good he is at !@#$.
People who has never been on a horse don't seem to understand how physically challenging it is to ride, and considering that Ennis rides western, which is both hard and fast in comparison to english riding, he probably built up even more of that strenght and stamina.
Tldr; Jack is complimenting Ennis for how good he is at !@#$.
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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Re: Do you think they ever made love face to face?
« Last post by pilot on Feb 13, 2025, 07:25 AM »Here we go, I just joined this forum and here's my fist post!!
I think they for sure have sex in other positions than the good ol' doggy, and I have several pieces of evidence to support my claim.
In the movie, the second time they have sex - the first time Ennis comes to Jack - Jack holds him to his chest, then rolls on top of him as they make out. My idea is that Ennis sort of want Jack to lead, and while I don't think that Ennis ever was on the receiving end, I do think that he enjoyed letting up his "control" to Jack sometimes.
My absolute number one favourite line from the shortstory supports this theory, as well -
"You do this with other guys, Jack?"
"Shit no," said Jack, who had been riding more than just bulls [...].
This doesn't just imply, but straight out tells us that Jack rides c*ck, which means he'd be on top. [But he is a cowboy after all, 'course he'd love that position ] Sure, this doesn't prove that Jack rides Ennis' c*ck, but in combination with aforementioned scene from the movie, I would say it's not too unthinkable.
That's where my third evidence comes in, as they're in the Motel Siesta, it says they're jouncing a bed, and the dictionary definition of jouncing is to jolt; to shake, especially by rough riding or by driving over obstructions, which suuuure, it could mean Ennis is just going rough, but in combination with the description of him "laying spread-eagled, spent and wet, breathing hard, still half tumescent," definitely sounds to me that it indicates that Jack had been riding him.
Though, as I am both the prosecutor and the attourney I will admit that Jack's following words does not, however, support that claim, for he says "Christ, it got to be all that time a yours a-horseback makes it so goddam good," which could first of all be read as Ennis was riding Jack, but I highly do doubt that Ennis ever did anything but give, so the other alternatives which are more likely would be that Jack is referring to Ennis' stamina and/or his pelvis work.
But, coming to my own defence again, this could still mean that they face each other. I present more proof to support this claim, which might also be the strongest piece of evidence in my eyes. It's from their last trip, and [scaling it down to only what we are looking for here] it describes their sex like this.
Ennis put his arm around Jack, pulled him close [...] Jack slid his cold hand between Ennis’ legs [...] said Ennis, undoing buttons [...] Without getting up he [Jack] threw deadwood on the fire [...] and they rolled down into the dirt.
This, to me, seems like they are either 1. sitting next to each other, 2. facing each other while sitting down, 3. Ennis pulls Jack on top of himself. It doesn't say whos buttons Ennis is undoing, but playing with the thought it's Jack, they have to be facing each other. Then they roll down in the dirt, and that to me confirms that they are indeed facing each other, most likely entwined in each others arms and they "couple" like that.
And my thought on Ennis taking Alma from behind I think it's because he can imagine it's Jack he's !@#$, not necessarily because that was how they always did it, but because he doesn't have to see Alma's face and body. I wonder if he ever had to stop himself from moaning Jack's name. He does confess that he jerks off to memories of Jack "a hunderd times".
Last piece of evidence I have is the fact that they kiss. Had it been specifically stated that they never kissed I would've found it more plausible that they also never had sex face-to-face because then it would be more obvious that Ennis did not want to see or feel that it was a man he was doing it with, but considering that they kiss I never got the feeling that he doesn't want to acknowledge the fact that he is with another man.
But there's also a pretty big difference between book-Ennis and movie-Ennis, because in the books Ennis is way more verbal and does actually talk about his feelings, his fears and his love for Jack, whereas in the movie he's more closed off to expressing himself. I'm thinking specifically about their reunion there are quite a lot of quotes from Ennis where he talks about his feelings.
"Four years. I about give up on you."
"I like doin it with women, but Jesus H., ain't nothing like this."
"When we split up after we got paid out I had gut cramps so bad I pulled over and tried to puke, [...] Took me about a year to figure out it was that I shouldn’t a let you out a my sights."
"There’s no reins on this one. It scares the piss out a me."
"We can’t. I’m stuck with what I got, caught in my own loop. Can’t get out of it."
“I goddam hate it that you’re goin a drive away in the mornin and I’m goin back to work. But if you can’t fix it you got a stand it.”
Whereas in the movie, I think the closest think we get to a confession of love we get is the movie-only line "It's because of you I'm like this, Jack. I'm nothing, I'm nowhere. [...] I just can't stand this anymore, Jack." and of course "If you can't fix it, you just got a stand it." though that's also a bit ambigous in general.
Either way! By now I'm just rambling nonsense, I've made my point. I think they for sure had sex face-to-face, because they loved each other.
I think they for sure have sex in other positions than the good ol' doggy, and I have several pieces of evidence to support my claim.
In the movie, the second time they have sex - the first time Ennis comes to Jack - Jack holds him to his chest, then rolls on top of him as they make out. My idea is that Ennis sort of want Jack to lead, and while I don't think that Ennis ever was on the receiving end, I do think that he enjoyed letting up his "control" to Jack sometimes.
My absolute number one favourite line from the shortstory supports this theory, as well -
"You do this with other guys, Jack?"
"Shit no," said Jack, who had been riding more than just bulls [...].
This doesn't just imply, but straight out tells us that Jack rides c*ck, which means he'd be on top. [But he is a cowboy after all, 'course he'd love that position
] Sure, this doesn't prove that Jack rides Ennis' c*ck, but in combination with aforementioned scene from the movie, I would say it's not too unthinkable. That's where my third evidence comes in, as they're in the Motel Siesta, it says they're jouncing a bed, and the dictionary definition of jouncing is to jolt; to shake, especially by rough riding or by driving over obstructions, which suuuure, it could mean Ennis is just going rough, but in combination with the description of him "laying spread-eagled, spent and wet, breathing hard, still half tumescent," definitely sounds to me that it indicates that Jack had been riding him.
Though, as I am both the prosecutor and the attourney I will admit that Jack's following words does not, however, support that claim, for he says "Christ, it got to be all that time a yours a-horseback makes it so goddam good," which could first of all be read as Ennis was riding Jack, but I highly do doubt that Ennis ever did anything but give, so the other alternatives which are more likely would be that Jack is referring to Ennis' stamina and/or his pelvis work.
But, coming to my own defence again, this could still mean that they face each other. I present more proof to support this claim, which might also be the strongest piece of evidence in my eyes. It's from their last trip, and [scaling it down to only what we are looking for here] it describes their sex like this.
Ennis put his arm around Jack, pulled him close [...] Jack slid his cold hand between Ennis’ legs [...] said Ennis, undoing buttons [...] Without getting up he [Jack] threw deadwood on the fire [...] and they rolled down into the dirt.
This, to me, seems like they are either 1. sitting next to each other, 2. facing each other while sitting down, 3. Ennis pulls Jack on top of himself. It doesn't say whos buttons Ennis is undoing, but playing with the thought it's Jack, they have to be facing each other. Then they roll down in the dirt, and that to me confirms that they are indeed facing each other, most likely entwined in each others arms and they "couple" like that.
And my thought on Ennis taking Alma from behind I think it's because he can imagine it's Jack he's !@#$, not necessarily because that was how they always did it, but because he doesn't have to see Alma's face and body. I wonder if he ever had to stop himself from moaning Jack's name. He does confess that he jerks off to memories of Jack "a hunderd times".
Last piece of evidence I have is the fact that they kiss. Had it been specifically stated that they never kissed I would've found it more plausible that they also never had sex face-to-face because then it would be more obvious that Ennis did not want to see or feel that it was a man he was doing it with, but considering that they kiss I never got the feeling that he doesn't want to acknowledge the fact that he is with another man.
But there's also a pretty big difference between book-Ennis and movie-Ennis, because in the books Ennis is way more verbal and does actually talk about his feelings, his fears and his love for Jack, whereas in the movie he's more closed off to expressing himself. I'm thinking specifically about their reunion there are quite a lot of quotes from Ennis where he talks about his feelings.
"Four years. I about give up on you."
"I like doin it with women, but Jesus H., ain't nothing like this."
"When we split up after we got paid out I had gut cramps so bad I pulled over and tried to puke, [...] Took me about a year to figure out it was that I shouldn’t a let you out a my sights."
"There’s no reins on this one. It scares the piss out a me."
"We can’t. I’m stuck with what I got, caught in my own loop. Can’t get out of it."
“I goddam hate it that you’re goin a drive away in the mornin and I’m goin back to work. But if you can’t fix it you got a stand it.”
Whereas in the movie, I think the closest think we get to a confession of love we get is the movie-only line "It's because of you I'm like this, Jack. I'm nothing, I'm nowhere. [...] I just can't stand this anymore, Jack." and of course "If you can't fix it, you just got a stand it." though that's also a bit ambigous in general.
Either way! By now I'm just rambling nonsense, I've made my point. I think they for sure had sex face-to-face, because they loved each other.
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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Some small symbolism
« Last post by JustJesse on Nov 04, 2024, 03:22 AM »Hey guys, anyone around in 2024 😅? This is my first post, and apologies if there is already another post dedicated to this topic – I tried my best to scan through the hundreds of posts, but I probably missed something.
Anyway, I was rereading the BBM short story the other day and noticed one passage that seemed really symbolic:
I feel like this really sums up the way the two characters view each other.
The first section of the quote is symbolic of how Ennis views Jack. Firstly, the "great gulf" could be interpreted as being all the issues and challenges that prevent Ennis acting on his romantic feels towards Jack. It also alludes to the fact that Ennis feels that he is far from Jack, that Jack is something unreachable, and that it would dangerous to even try to get to him. When Jack is compared to the way that "an insect moves a cross a tablecloth" it evokes the image of a clean tablecloth with a single imperfect speck - the insect. In this way, Ennis views the heteronormative masculine lifestyle that he is trapped in as the clean tablecloth, something to be desired, something practical; while Jack is viewed as the insect, an imperfection, a nuisance.
The second part of the quote demonstrates how Jack sees Ennis. Naturally, fire is symbolic of raw passion and emotion, as well as its obvious quality of spreading warmth. It is something wild and untamable, that can hurt you if you get too close, but, at the right distance, will warm you. Although Ennis is by no means a "warm" person (whether by nature or by societal standard, I'm not sure), this serves to represent how Jack feels both the risk of being with Ennis - that Ennis will lash out - as well as the comfort that it could bring. The addition of the description "a red spark on the huge black mass of mountain" serves to show the fire as something interesting against a bland background - how Jack sees Ennis as something with life and light in an otherwise boring world.
That concludes my massive spiel, and hopefully all of that makes some sort of sense. Also, I'm not sure if I posted this in the right place - if I haven't, please let me know. Anyways, I'm really curious to hear how you guys interpreted this scene.
Anyway, I was rereading the BBM short story the other day and noticed one passage that seemed really symbolic:
"During the day Ennis looked across a great gulf and saw Jack, a small dot moving across a high meadow as an insect moves across a tablecloth; Jack, in his dark camp, saw Ennis as night fire, a red spark on the huge black mass of mountain."
I feel like this really sums up the way the two characters view each other.
The first section of the quote is symbolic of how Ennis views Jack. Firstly, the "great gulf" could be interpreted as being all the issues and challenges that prevent Ennis acting on his romantic feels towards Jack. It also alludes to the fact that Ennis feels that he is far from Jack, that Jack is something unreachable, and that it would dangerous to even try to get to him. When Jack is compared to the way that "an insect moves a cross a tablecloth" it evokes the image of a clean tablecloth with a single imperfect speck - the insect. In this way, Ennis views the heteronormative masculine lifestyle that he is trapped in as the clean tablecloth, something to be desired, something practical; while Jack is viewed as the insect, an imperfection, a nuisance.
The second part of the quote demonstrates how Jack sees Ennis. Naturally, fire is symbolic of raw passion and emotion, as well as its obvious quality of spreading warmth. It is something wild and untamable, that can hurt you if you get too close, but, at the right distance, will warm you. Although Ennis is by no means a "warm" person (whether by nature or by societal standard, I'm not sure), this serves to represent how Jack feels both the risk of being with Ennis - that Ennis will lash out - as well as the comfort that it could bring. The addition of the description "a red spark on the huge black mass of mountain" serves to show the fire as something interesting against a bland background - how Jack sees Ennis as something with life and light in an otherwise boring world.
That concludes my massive spiel, and hopefully all of that makes some sort of sense. Also, I'm not sure if I posted this in the right place - if I haven't, please let me know. Anyways, I'm really curious to hear how you guys interpreted this scene.
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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Re: Do you think Ennis found Jack pretty? In which scenes it is shown?
« Last post by FlwrChild on Oct 29, 2024, 10:33 PM »Well said, rampantlion. 
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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Re: Jack and Ennis description in the story
« Last post by FlwrChild on Oct 29, 2024, 10:29 PM »Yes. Many people were considered for both roles but I think they landed on the exact right people to bring those characters to life onscreen. Both deserved the Oscar, imo though I don't begrudge the winners as they also turned in stellar performances. I think Ledger and Gyllenhaal tapped perfectly into the heart of what Annie Proulx was trying to relay.
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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Re: Brokeback What would happen if Ennis died instead of Jack?
« Last post by FlwrChild on Oct 29, 2024, 10:25 PM »Yes, I think no matter which one went first, the other was always going to live out the rest of their days in a kind of instinctive pattern of waking and breathing but not really living, the main spark in their hearts having been extinguished.
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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Re: Ennis breaking down in alleyway after leaving Jack
« Last post by rampantlion on Oct 27, 2024, 11:51 PM »Ennis outburst of emotions: crying, screaming, punching, stomach ... could represent 5 things going on all at once: 1) Jack: unresolved physical fight, unresolved relationship, not seeing him anymore, not even a good bye kiss and hug...2) Alma: he cheated on her and still he would marry her with the secret inside who is he and who is in love 3) not getting paid for a month when money is tight and a wedding to pay 4) he is frustrated to himself, doubts who he is, doubts about marriage 5) Society: death if they found he is gay which is the MDQ of the story and that hunt Ennis since 9 years old...So it is so appropriate Ennis breaking down to release all these emotios like exploding volcano ...
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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Re: Making BBM Themed Island on Animal Crossing
« Last post by rampantlion on Oct 26, 2024, 06:20 PM »For sure, you can create a camp with tents and similar camping utensils. You might include some bean cans, a couple of sheep, a donkey, and a horse. Don't forget some cowboy hats! Don't forget the big sign, "Welcome to Brokeback Mountain!"
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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Re: If you could step in some scene with a BAD character, what would you say them?
« Last post by rampantlion on Oct 26, 2024, 06:13 PM »
As Jack said,"It's nobody's business but ours."