Author Topic: Randall (Read 236293 times)

tpe · « **Reply #420 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 08:24 AM »

Quote from: BBM Fan on Jan 16, 2007, 09:38 PM

Randall just looked c*cky (ok, I didn't put that asterisk in there) to me. But at least he was willing & Jack wanted that. With Randall, Jack wouldn't have to always make the first move (I know, Ennis did make some first moves), which I imagine can be frustrating. And yes, he was a contrast to Ennis, which was good.

To make peace with you, CSC, and others who like Randall, I'm going to try not to make negative comments about him anymore. At least he gave Jack what he wanted, so that is something positive. Suffice it to say, I prefer Ennis with Jack.

I suspect we all prefer Ennis with Jack. I suspect that Jack preferred Ennis to Randall.

Randall was indeed a contrast to Ennis. Perhaps this was something that Jack appreciated to a certain extent.

Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree · « **Reply #421 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 01:42 PM »

Quote from: City Slickin' Cowboy on Jan 16, 2007, 04:04 PM

I haven't read the short story yet (yeah, yeah..just slap me! ). Is Randall's physical apprearance discussed?

CSC,

I have sent you a mesaage to your Hotmail address which will help answer this.

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #422 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 05:50 PM »

Quote from: Jack F. Twist (JFT) on Jan 17, 2007, 01:42 PM

CSC,

I have sent you a mesaage to your Hotmail address which will help answer this.

Thank you JFT. I think JT provided an answer also.

lamusica · « **Reply #423 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 07:38 PM »

I keep changing my mind about Randall. Hated him the first time I saw the movie -- I think it was the shock of Jack actually ever being interested in someone other than Ennis. Then, as I saw the movie more and could think more rationally, I realized Randall actually has nothing at all to do with Ennis. He's just a man with needs that aren't being met by little miss chatterbox, sees someone who may be of a like mind, and goes for it. He's not to be censored, IMO, since we don't know him well enough to judge him fairly.

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #424 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 08:33 PM »

It would have been interesting if Ms. Proulx had extended this story a little longer. Randall's part in Jack's life could have been explored a little more in depth. Of course the inclusion could have added 30 more minutes to the film. That in itself could have impacted the public's reception of the film. So many what if's.

lamusica · « **Reply #425 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 08:50 PM »

Right, CSC. No use in second-guessing Ms Proulx at this date.
I just don't think we have enough evidence to think of Randall as a real horndog, as some people seem to suggest. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt. I think he just was attracted to Jack ( Who wouldn't be?

), and put out feelers to see if Jack might be receptive. Nothing wrong with that.

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #426 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 09:00 PM »

Quote from: lamusica on Jan 17, 2007, 08:50 PM

Right, CSC. No use in second-guessing Ms Proulx at this date.
I just don't think we have enough evidence to think of Randall as a real horndog, as some people seem to suggest. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt. I think he just was attracted to Jack ( Who wouldn't be?), and put out feelers to see if Jack might be receptive. Nothing wrong with that.

Interesting you chose the phrase horndog.

When I look at the scene where Randall and Jack met I see Randall as someone whose instincts told him that Jack was a possibility. He probably detected that Jack was not that into Lureen, which isn't unusual in couples. In addition he probably noticed that Jack probably was not paying any noticeable attention to the other females in the vicinity also. Easy math perhaps for Randall.

lamusica · « **Reply #427 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 09:54 PM »

By "horndog" I just meant someone who was interested in only one thing --- ya know? Some forum members have come down real hard on Randall, suggesting that he was hitting on Jack and there was something wrong with that. I don't see it that way. He may have been hitting on Jack, but, as you said, he may have been picking up vibes from Jack, or may have noticed Jack's boredom with Lureen. That may be why Jack so quickly asked Randall's wife to dance.

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #428 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 10:04 PM »

I think Randall could have wanted something that extended beyond 'ya know.' A special buddy perhaps? After all, he invited Jack to a quiet cabin and lake where they could have done a few other activities in addition to..ya know.

BBM Fan · « **Reply #429 on:** Jan 18, 2007, 12:47 AM »

Quote from: City Slickin' Cowboy on Jan 17, 2007, 10:04 PM

I think Randall could have wanted something that extended beyond 'ya know.' A special buddy perhaps? After all, he invited Jack to a quiet cabin and lake where they could have done a few other activities in addition to..ya know.

ya think?

tpe · « **Reply #430 on:** Jan 18, 2007, 08:58 AM »

Quote from: lamusica on Jan 17, 2007, 07:38 PM

I keep changing my mind about Randall. Hated him the first time I saw the movie -- I think it was the shock of Jack actually ever being interested in someone other than Ennis. Then, as I saw the movie more and could think more rationally, I realized Randall actually has nothing at all to do with Ennis. He's just a man with needs that aren't being met by little miss chatterbox, sees someone who may be of a like mind, and goes for it. He's not to be censored, IMO, since we don't know him well enough to judge him fairly.

Yes, we should at least be sympathetic for the sort of life he leads with LaShawn. I know it would drive me insane...

Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree · « **Reply #431 on:** Jan 18, 2007, 02:53 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Jan 18, 2007, 08:58 AM

Yes, we should at least be sympathetic for the sort of life he leads with LaShawn. I know it would drive me insane...

..... Why you guys 'r so rude aboyt me! It aynt as if I done anythyn te de-surve iyt! Sure I like talkin' - but there aynt no harm in thayt now is there? If you only knew what I have to put up wyth wyth that husband 'o myne! Sometymes ay thynk hes a mayns mayn 'n thays a fact - the way he liyke spending ayges en ayges away in thayt darn cabyn in the woods with one friend or another! OK, so I'm off topyk here, but do ay care? The way ay sse it, some times a girl just got to staynd up for herself, cause thays beter than standyn by your mayn whyle he cahts up tractor sylsmen on the porch whyl your pwderin yr nose to go home ....

tpe · « **Reply #432 on:** Jan 18, 2007, 07:21 PM »

Quote from: Jack F. Twist (JFT) on Jan 18, 2007, 02:53 PM

..... Why you guys 'r so rude aboyt me! It aynt as if I done anythyn te de-surve iyt! Sure I like talkin' - but there aynt no harm in thayt now is there? If you only knew what I have to put up wyth wyth that husband 'o myne! Sometymes ay thynk hes a mayns mayn 'n thays a fact - the way he liyke spending ayges en ayges away in thayt darn cabyn in the woods with one friend or another! OK, so I'm off topyk here, but do ay care? The way ay sse it, some times a girl just got to staynd up for herself, cause thays beter than standyn by your mayn whyle he cahts up tractor sylsmen on the porch whyl your pwderin yr nose to go home ....

Like I said. THis would drive me insane -- or at least push me to suicide. Randall must have been a very patient man, or he had "learned" to be deaf.

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #433 on:** Jan 18, 2007, 07:39 PM »

Too funny JFT! In fact it's almost scary!

tpe, it was obvious the way Randall was portrayed that he was INDEED a patient man. He seemed to be real accepting to the fact that his spouse could "talk a blue streak."

LuvJackNasty · « **Reply #434 on:** Jan 18, 2007, 09:31 PM »

JFT

lamusica · « **Reply #435 on:** Jan 18, 2007, 10:03 PM »

Quote from: Jack F. Twist (JFT) on Jan 18, 2007, 02:53 PM

..... Why you guys 'r so rude aboyt me! It aynt as if I done anythyn te de-surve iyt! Sure I like talkin' - but there aynt no harm in thayt now is there? If you only knew what I have to put up wyth wyth that husband 'o myne! Sometymes ay thynk hes a mayns mayn 'n thays a fact - the way he liyke spending ayges en ayges away in thayt darn cabyn in the woods with one friend or another! OK, so I'm off topyk here, but do ay care? The way ay sse it, some times a girl just got to staynd up for herself, cause thays beter than standyn by your mayn whyle he cahts up tractor sylsmen on the porch whyl your pwderin yr nose to go home ....

Hilarious! She'd have my ears bleeding in five minutes! What a man, that Rnadall!

tpe · « **Reply #436 on:** Jan 19, 2007, 08:55 AM »

I had wondered if like Jack with Lureen, Randall was initially attracted to LaShawn. Perhaps her looks? But the moment she opens her mouth, things go straight downhill...

I had wondered if Randall had not married LaShawn like many gay men: for subterfuge, or to keep appearances so that they could lead a double life.

Was Randall younger than Jack? How many years was it since Randall had left University?

welshwitch · « **Reply #437 on:** Jan 19, 2007, 10:44 AM »

Im'sure she was stupid or desperate enough to marry him and be camouflage.

As for the age thing, they way she talks about their having met and his coming to Childress for a job, it sounds as if he didn;t graduate so long before - maybe he's younger than Jack? That would go with his being more ready to take a chance on someone he'd just met, and not a rodeo clown but someone with a position in the community. I think of him as coming from a different, more liberal background and having the ideas of a younger generation.

tpe · « **Reply #438 on:** Jan 19, 2007, 02:26 PM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Jan 19, 2007, 10:44 AM

Im'sure she was stupid or desperate enough to marry him and be camouflage.

As for the age thing, they way she talks about their having met and his coming to Childress for a job, it sounds as if he didn;t graduate so long before - maybe he's younger than Jack? That would go with his being more ready to take a chance on someone he'd just met, and not a rodeo clown but someone with a position in the community. I think of him as coming from a different, more liberal background and having the ideas of a younger generation.

This might be a mean thing to say about LaShawn, but I think she probably isn't smart enough to know what Randall was about... Ever...

And yes, I had the same impression: that Randall was fresh out of school (grad school, perhaps). So the thought did occur to me that he was much younger than Jack. Else, he finished his last dgree (Animal Husbandry) late.

Randall's world in many ways must have been quiter different from Jack's. LaShawn certainly didn't expect that they'd end up in Childress...

Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree · « **Reply #439 on:** Jan 21, 2007, 05:09 PM »

LeShawn 2

..... Yood never think that about Jack to look at him would you Lureen? You keep quite 'bout thinks just lyke I do! Ye no, since were having this little chat about out husbands, dyshin the dirt, and ay know yoo wont go tellin half the town 'bout it. In bed I have to wear the trousers if yoo no what I meyn. He calls me Shawn - I have to call him Yvonne. Fact is - Randall's a traynvestayt. Don't look so syoked Lureen - its true! Sure he'all Stetson en boots on the surface, but underneat he wears payntees en suspeynderbylst. He only wers Guchi. Shaves his legs en all. Fayct is, he looks beter in Langerie than ay do if you dont mind the beard.....

BBM Fan · « **Reply #440 on:** Jan 21, 2007, 05:32 PM »

Quote from: Jack F. Twist (JFT) on Jan 21, 2007, 05:09 PM

LeShawn 2

..... Yood never think that about Jack to look at him would you Lureen? You keep quite 'bout thinks just lyke I do! Ye no, since were having this little chat about out husbands, dyshin the dirt, and ay know yoo wont go tellin half the town 'bout it. In bed I have to wear the trousers if yoo no what I meyn. He calls me Shawn - I have to call him Yvonne. Fact is - Randall's a traynvestayt. Don't look so syoked Lureen - its true! Sure he'all Stetson en boots on the surface, but underneat he wears payntees en suspeynderbylst. He only wers Guchi. Shaves his legs en all. Fayct is, he looks beter in Langerie than ay do if you dont mind the beard.....

Thanks, JFT. I love this!

Because I don't like Randall (Sorry CSC!)

Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree · « **Reply #441 on:** Jan 21, 2007, 06:27 PM »

Quote from: BBM Fan on Jan 21, 2007, 05:32 PM

Thanks, JFT. I love this! Because I don't like Randall (Sorry CSC!)

It helps to laugh about it! A few months ago I was too upset by BBM to do this.

tpe · « **Reply #442 on:** Jan 22, 2007, 09:50 AM »

I wonder what Randall's and LaShawn's sex life is like...

welshwitch · « **Reply #443 on:** Jan 22, 2007, 11:34 AM »

Now you've said that, I feel quite sorry for the guy - imagine her yakking on and on and on....would she ever shut up long enough?

tpe · « **Reply #444 on:** Jan 22, 2007, 05:54 PM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Jan 22, 2007, 11:34 AM

Now you've said that, I feel quite sorry for the guy - imagine her yakking on and on and on....would she ever shut up long enough?

Exactly. I don't think she stopped talking even in bed...

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #445 on:** Jan 22, 2007, 09:47 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Jan 22, 2007, 05:54 PM

Exactly. I don't think she stopped talking even in bed...

I think she would probably remind Randall that he didn't have a smidgen of rhythm there too!

tpe · « **Reply #446 on:** Jan 23, 2007, 08:47 AM »

Quote from: City Slickin' Cowboy on Jan 22, 2007, 09:47 PM

I think she would probably remind Randall that he didn't have a smidgen of rhythm there too!

The dynamic between Randall and LaShawn is quite a strange one. But I am sure it must have worked. In the area of their sex life, I am sure Randall was like Jack, in that he did what was necessary to keep her happy. But I do suspect that Randall was not very good at this...

welshwitch · « **Reply #447 on:** Jan 23, 2007, 11:56 AM »

Poor man - he appears only briefly and yet we have him all sussed out.

And let's face it, it would take a lot to keep LaShawn happily occupied and quiet - if he manages that he's not doing too badly.

tpe · « **Reply #448 on:** Jan 23, 2007, 02:32 PM »

It's because we know very little about him that we are fascinated -- considering that he does plays an important role in Jack's final years (albeit not explicit in the story or film)...

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #449 on:** Jan 24, 2007, 08:53 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Jan 23, 2007, 02:32 PM

It's because we know very little about him that we are fascinated -- considering that he does plays an important role in Jack's final years (albeit not explicit in the story or film)...

Fascinated is right. Just seeing Randall and LaShawn prompted me to think "wow...here's a story in itself."