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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2100 on: Feb 17, 2008, 10:40 AM »
Thank you for sharing that Keren.  ^f^
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2101 on: Feb 17, 2008, 10:59 AM »
Well, actually... yes, he did.

Funny how I never thought about it until now, but Heath sent a message to all of us.

After the movie Candy was released, Heath's friend Theresa (who ran Heath Ledger Central and was also a member here) opened a website called "addicted to the movie Candy", and did a lot to promote the movie and it's distribution because it was a low-budget movie with limited release. Anyway, some members here were active on her site, and apparently, one day when Heath was visiting Theresa, she told him about people's involvement and he took the time to write personal thanks to some of the people here. Theresa had also introduced him to ennisjack.

I saw the post that he sent to one of my friends. I can't share his full message here since it wasn't sent to me personally, it's up to the members whom he addressed if they wanna share it. But this part, I believe, is for all of us:

I also wanted to tell you how nice it is to see a Brokeback Mountain site like ennisjack. T took me there earlier today and I was really pleasantly surprised to see something so different from the rest. It's a very cool place and you should be very proud of it.

He signed his message with -

Be well and happy

Peace
Heath


Keren, thank you for sharing this. I have had the same thought, if Heath or anyone else from Brokeback Mountain have been visiting the site, and following our discussions. I am glad Heath visited here at least once. His message is so well considered...cool...proud...be well and happy...peace.

This is like finding the two shirts for me. I wish I joined early enough to have received a personal message from Heath.  :-\\ It is just like him, when making Candy, he asked to finish shooting a difficult scene late into the night, making everyone stayed later than usual. Afterwards, he went around quietly to thank each person, personally.

Thank you, Keren, for this.  :ghug: %)
Heath, you are loved, like this, always.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2102 on: Feb 17, 2008, 11:09 AM »
Well, actually... yes, he did.

Funny how I never thought about it until now, but Heath sent a message to all of us.

After the movie Candy was released, Heath's friend Theresa (who ran Heath Ledger Central and was also a member here) opened a website called "addicted to the movie Candy", and did a lot to promote the movie and it's distribution because it was a low-budget movie with limited release. Anyway, some members here were active on her site, and apparently, one day when Heath was visiting Theresa, she told him about people's involvement and he took the time to write personal thanks to some of the people here. Theresa had also introduced him to ennisjack.

I saw the post that he sent to one of my friends. I can't share his full message here since it wasn't sent to me personally, it's up to the members whom he addressed if they wanna share it. But this part, I believe, is for all of us:

I also wanted to tell you how nice it is to see a Brokeback Mountain site like ennisjack. T took me there earlier today and I was really pleasantly surprised to see something so different from the rest. It's a very cool place and you should be very proud of it.

He signed his message with -

Be well and happy

Peace
Heath


I can't even begin to explain to you how that makes me feel. I can't tell you how much I admire him for giving that message. Taking the time to talk to his fans. I did know of it, although I wasn't involved in it at all. But that just screams out to me how Heath felt about his fans, about us. To contact them like that. To say that about us. It just makes me cry so much to think what a wonderful man has gone from us.  :\'( 
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2103 on: Feb 17, 2008, 11:14 AM »
Well, actually... yes, he did.

Funny how I never thought about it until now, but Heath sent a message to all of us.

introduced him to ennisjack.



I also wanted to tell you how nice it is to see a Brokeback Mountain site like ennisjack. T took me there earlier today and I was really pleasantly surprised to see something so different from the rest. It's a very cool place and you should be very proud of it.

He signed his message with -

Be well and happy

Peace
Heath


Thank you Keren to share it with us  ^f^

So Heath knowed our forum and he replied  O0

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2104 on: Feb 17, 2008, 11:20 AM »
Well, I don't know how much he'd seen of it... I remember when I first saw this post (once I regained my self control) I thought "Oh God, I hope he didn't visit the "oh baby" thread and saw the way I was drooling at his pics" ;D. But whether he actually took time to read some posts here, or just listened to what Theresa had told him about this place, he was obviously touched by the love and the respect we show here for the story and for the people who gave it to us. It brings me a little comfort, to think that he caught a little glimpse of the love and the appreciation we have for him.
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2105 on: Feb 17, 2008, 11:27 AM »
Well, I don't know how much he'd seen of it... I remember when I first saw this post (once I regained my self control) I thought "Oh God, I hope he didn't visit the "oh baby" thread and saw the way I was drooling at his pics" ;D. But whether he actually took time to read some posts here, or just listened to what Theresa had told him about this place, he was obviously touched by the love and the respect we show here for the story and for the people who gave it to us. It brings me a little comfort, to think that he caught a little glimpse of the love and the appreciation we have for him.

I am happy you have regained your self control dear keren  O0.  Yes, certainly he has noticed that we are here full of respect in this forum and how much we appreciate him  ^f^
It could be like this, always like this....
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2106 on: Feb 17, 2008, 11:53 AM »
thank you keren for bringing this gift to us  <^(
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2107 on: Feb 17, 2008, 12:21 PM »
     Keren's post, about personal messages from Heath, made me as happy as the others but also a little sad.  A week ago, I felt more than
a little threatened by my own continuing instability over this tragedy, so I felt it was OK to hit back with whatever it took to get back to normal
(whatever that is).  So, I made up a list of 10 things I didn't like about Heath Ledger.  Please don't criticize me for this---I had always seen
him as a human being who would also have faults.  But I needed to balance off the grief, and so, that was what I did.  On the list was---didn't
appreciate his fans.  Too aloof.  I knew it wasn't true, but I just wanted more solid ground, with everything seeming to turn to quicksand.
Keren's post was a joy, but, cross off one on the list.  Can't use that crutch.
  Have pretty much gotten past the worst of the sadness, but there still remains a certain unreality to everything since 1/22.  Couldn't have
happened. Not possible.  And then sometimes,  I just shake my head, and go: "Heath."

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2108 on: Feb 17, 2008, 12:38 PM »
Well, actually... yes, he did.
Funny how I never thought about it until now, but Heath sent a message to all of us.
I also wanted to tell you how nice it is to see a Brokeback Mountain site like ennisjack. T took me there earlier today and I was really pleasantly surprised to see something so different from the rest. It's a very cool place and you should be very proud of it.
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Be well and happy
Peace
Heath

:t)
Keren , I'm so grateful for the quote of Heaths' respond about our forum...  :^^)   <^(
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2109 on: Feb 17, 2008, 12:39 PM »
Tony :ghug:
"What Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close,the silent embrace satisfying some shared and sexless hunger."
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2110 on: Feb 17, 2008, 12:48 PM »
speaking of the pic jakelandia posted, here is a little something very near and dear to my heart:




love this i saw it a few days ago and loved what it said:-)

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2111 on: Feb 17, 2008, 12:54 PM »
I keep having this thought, and it won't let go.

After I've seen Brokeback, a part of why I was so devastated was because I identified so much with Ennis and I felt this fear, to end up my life like him. I have a lot of things I regret in my life. I feel like I've missed out on a lot, and it was like Ennis was sending me a message, "don't live your life like this", only I was still too scared to do something about it. Maybe I just don't know how to change things, and I feel chained to the life I have.

And now, when I think of Heath... especially since I've read Barb's post, about how Heath has lived his life, and realised that he taught me the same lesson Ennis did, only from the opposite direction: This is how you should live your life. You have to enjoy it, otherwise there's no point. You have to love, passionately, and you have to do the things that make you happy - don't compromise, even if it involves hard choices. I feel like he's forcing me to take a look at my life - again - and I think, "you idiot, he's trying to make you see something. He's trying to deliver you this message in every way possible and you're just too coward to do anything about it".

What a beautiful, heartfelt post, Keren  :ghug:

In one of my discussions someone said to me that part of grief is to transform our sorrow to strength. And I think that is so, so true. Heath was one of many who gave us this precious, priceless gift and I know a small part of my sadness is because we never met him or had access to him we never got the chance to really thank him for that. But even though the fact that I/we never got to thank him in person was denied us, we have the awareness of what was handed to us. We can draw strength from that. Maybe the message is to live and be happy and appreciate each other like we never have before- life really is too short and you never know what it will throw at you or when. I'm sure he was smiling down on his family- not wanting them to be mired in such sadness and I don't believe he'd want the same for us. His life wasn't sad- it was good and happy and that is what we will all come to focus on one day when we start to put the sadness of his death behind us.
“What Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some shared and sexless hunger."

You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one ~ Imagine- J. Lennon

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2112 on: Feb 17, 2008, 12:57 PM »
I'm so happy to know that Heath knew about this place. Thanks keren_b for sharing the message from him.
And  :ghug: to everyone who need them
Nuke the EFF on!!

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2113 on: Feb 17, 2008, 01:00 PM »
Tony, I liked your post about Heath being a brokie. And yes he is very much a part of our small tribe.  :ghug:

guyinjax, I just saw your post.  :ghug: to you as well. I liked what you said here:

"In the end, I think regret is a sensitive, thoughtful, loving teacher.  He helps us remember things with a gentle nudge, a distant pain.  To deny regret in one's life is to give in to the notion that life happens twenty four hours at a time.  It doesn't.  Regret is my constant companion, my guide."

It allows us to put a positive spin on it because, after all, as long as we're still here, we always have a chance to learn from our regrets and make things better.


GuyinJax awesome post and I just wanted to ditto what FC said too.  :ghug:


Regard to guyinjax, your post was amazing and so true. Ennis was something else and everytime I see the movie or read the Short story, I always am sad that he never got what he really wanted, to be with the man he loved. And that always hurts me the most. Sometimes I watch it and pray that the ending is different, that somehow Jack is just away, like how James Whitcomb Riley said in his poem that I found through this forum:

I cannot say, and I will not say
That he is dead. He is just away.
With a cheery smile, and a wave of the hand,
He has wandered into an unknown land


 

Great post LD!  :ghug:
“What Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some shared and sexless hunger."

You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one ~ Imagine- J. Lennon

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2114 on: Feb 17, 2008, 01:09 PM »

Guyinjax, I understand what you feel, and I have also watched Brokeback Mountain again, feeling the same pain in the last few scenes. The pain was not just for Ennis, and myself, but now, also for Heath. For I see not only Ennis on the screeen, as I used to do before that tragic day. I now see also Heath on the screen with Ennis, and the tears are for him, too...for his not being around to play another role, to show his skills as director, to sing another lullaby to Matilda, to ...  :\'( BUT I also feel the same peace, when Heath/Ennis touch the two shirts, and brush his thumb along the postcard of Brokeback Mountain, and say to Jack, I swear. Because, now it is not only Ennis saying it to Jack, but also I, saying it to Heath. The road may be long and lonely ahead, but there is bittersweet remembrance, and hope for the future, and MOST OF ALL, there is friendship, and family, not only in this forum, but also in real life.  Each and every regret is a gentle nudge, a distant pain, that reminds me to seize the day, and not let another opportunity goes to waste, to say and express how I feel, to not be afraid.

I never cared much for formality, so the Academy Awards were interesting to watch, but not that life-shatteringly important. The fact that they did not give Heath the Best Actor Award that year, said more about them, than him. His work speaks for itself. Their action will always be questioned by future generations. How they attempt to correct this, will be interesting to watch as well. For me, it is but a minor footnote in Heath's life. His awards are more than just the tangible ones.

To everyone who contributed to this amazing thread...In Loving Memory, you are ALL amazing.

 :ghug: :clap: :ghug: :clap: :ghug: :clap:

And most of all,

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Beautifully said, Andrew.  :ghug: I agree so much about the Oscars being a footnote. It made me tear up when you said you were saying it to Heath as well.
And I just wanted to echo the last line of your post, this thread has brought more tears than I could possibly say but it has also brought a lot of comfort as well.  :ghug: :ghug: :ghug: to everyone.
“What Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some shared and sexless hunger."

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2115 on: Feb 17, 2008, 01:19 PM »
     Keren's post, about personal messages from Heath, made me as happy as the others but also a little sad.  A week ago, I felt more than
a little threatened by my own continuing instability over this tragedy, so I felt it was OK to hit back with whatever it took to get back to normal
(whatever that is).  So, I made up a list of 10 things I didn't like about Heath Ledger.  Please don't criticize me for this---I had always seen
him as a human being who would also have faults.  But I needed to balance off the grief, and so, that was what I did.  On the list was---didn't
appreciate his fans.  Too aloof.  I knew it wasn't true, but I just wanted more solid ground, with everything seeming to turn to quicksand.
Keren's post was a joy, but, cross off one on the list.  Can't use that crutch.
  Have pretty much gotten past the worst of the sadness, but there still remains a certain unreality to everything since 1/22.  Couldn't have
happened. Not possible.  And then sometimes,  I just shake my head, and go: "Heath."

 :ghug: Tony  :\'( :ghug:

You are not alone. I have went through my anger stage as well. But I am not as organized as you. Never made a list. 10 things I hate about you. Even in your anger your paid tribute to Heath.  :ghug:

I hope you are on more solid ground nowadays. We are all human, and it is why it's okay to lean on one another, and not rely on crutches. Thanks for being there for me, when I needed your shoulder to lean on.  I am glad Heath knew about us, and appreciated us. He knows he is loved, always.

 :ghug: :^^) :c)
Heath, you are loved, like this, always.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2116 on: Feb 17, 2008, 01:21 PM »

I saw the post that he sent to one of my friends. I can't share his full message here since it wasn't sent to me personally, it's up to the members whom he addressed if they wanna share it. But this part, I believe, is for all of us:

I also wanted to tell you how nice it is to see a Brokeback Mountain site like ennisjack. T took me there earlier today and I was really pleasantly surprised to see something so different from the rest. It's a very cool place and you should be very proud of it.

He signed his message with -

Be well and happy

Peace
Heath


I remember that! Thanks for sharing that here.  :^^)
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2117 on: Feb 17, 2008, 01:27 PM »
     Keren's post, about personal messages from Heath, made me as happy as the others but also a little sad.  A week ago, I felt more than
a little threatened by my own continuing instability over this tragedy, so I felt it was OK to hit back with whatever it took to get back to normal
(whatever that is).  So, I made up a list of 10 things I didn't like about Heath Ledger.  Please don't criticize me for this---I had always seen
him as a human being who would also have faults.  But I needed to balance off the grief, and so, that was what I did.  On the list was---didn't
appreciate his fans.  Too aloof.  I knew it wasn't true, but I just wanted more solid ground, with everything seeming to turn to quicksand.
Keren's post was a joy, but, cross off one on the list.  Can't use that crutch.
  Have pretty much gotten past the worst of the sadness, but there still remains a certain unreality to everything since 1/22.  Couldn't have
happened. Not possible.  And then sometimes,  I just shake my head, and go: "Heath."

Tony there is nothing wrong with that. Anger is part of the process. The other night I got mad at the banner- I felt bad afterwards and then did my little "penance" to the banner, but it is normal and natural. Of course he had faults, who amongst us doesn't? No one is perfect nor can one person be everything to everybody. We all do the best we can everyday. And I understand completely the part I bolded.  :ghug: :ghug: to you.
“What Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some shared and sexless hunger."

You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one ~ Imagine- J. Lennon

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2118 on: Feb 17, 2008, 01:42 PM »
[...]
What I always wondered and we might never know but it could've happen...did he ever visit our site?  :s)
[...]  like how James Whitcomb Riley said in his poem that I found through this forum:

I cannot say, and I will not say
That he is dead. He is just away.
With a cheery smile, and a wave of the hand,
He has wandered into an unknown land


[...]


Thank you LD, for asking the question that led Keren_b to share that most wonderful of gifts with us, Heath's message to the forum.

And thank you, too, to recall the poem. I looked up the entire poem, and it is very fitting indeed.

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I cannot say, and I will not say
That he is dead. He is just away.
With a cheery smile, and a wave of the hand,
He has wandered into an unknown land.
And left us dreaming how very fair
It needs must be since he lingers there.

And you-O you, who the wildest yearn
For the old-time step and the glad return-
Think of him faring on, as dear
In the love of there as the love of here;
Think of him still as the same, I say;
He is not dead-he is just away!

Now I understand, why Michelle told Matilda that her daddy has gone away. Perhaps truly, Heath is needed elsewhere, in the unknown land. We yearn for his return, but he has already given his gifts to us. He has gone away, to give to others his talents and his gifts.

Heath, you are loved, like this, always.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2119 on: Feb 17, 2008, 01:59 PM »
I know most of you have no idea who I am, but I've been on this site for some time.  Rarely do I post, except a few poems, but I wanted to say something and this seemed the thread to do it on.  I came here because this little place, and it has the small warm feel to it no matter the size, which i don't even truly know, because it felt safe.  Please forgive my rambling, posting is not an easy thing for me.  You were touched by Jack and Ennis and the love could be felt.   I felt something special here, something true.  I wanted you guys to know that.  I'm not easily touched, nor give freely my trust, but I surely love what I love.  I've said for a long time, Heath Ledger was, is and will be a legend, a good man, part of my heart and always in my world.  

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2120 on: Feb 17, 2008, 02:04 PM »
Jessi, I have been touched by your poems since you first started posting, and you are as much a part of this family as anyone. Those are beautiful thoughts. Thank you for sharing them. :ghug:


lc, this was gorgeous too:

"Now I understand, why Michelle told Matilda that her daddy has gone away. Perhaps truly, Heath is needed elsewhere, in the unknown land. We yearn for his return, but he has already given his gifts to us. He has gone away, to give to others his talents and his gifts."
 :\'(  <^(
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2121 on: Feb 17, 2008, 02:12 PM »
I know most of you have no idea who I am, but I've been on this site for some time.  Rarely do I post, except a few poems, but I wanted to say something and this seemed the thread to do it on.  I came here because this little place, and it has the small warm feel to it no matter the size, which i don't even truly know, because it felt safe.  Please forgive my rambling, posting is not an easy thing for me.  You were touched by Jack and Ennis and the love could be felt.   I felt something special here, something true.  I wanted you guys to know that.  I'm not easily touched, nor give freely my trust, but I surely love what I love.  I've said for a long time, Heath Ledger was, is and will be a legend, a good man, part of my heart and always in my world. 

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Thank you dear jessi for your warm words!!   :ghug:  :^^)   you're right of course about Heath!!  he will become  someone to remember, and he will be a part of me, you, us... <^(
"What Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close,the silent embrace satisfying some shared and sexless hunger."
"I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2122 on: Feb 17, 2008, 02:22 PM »
    Lance, You know we disagree, at times, but stay friends.  Here, am not disagreeing, so much as reminding everyone of other ways of thinking
that could be true.  You say, perhaps Heath is off somewhere, in some unknown land, where his gifts are needed. Maybe. I notice that others
would have him floating in the clouds, or out in the stars of the night.  Gone.  Away.  But am sure you know, Lance, of the latest science, so
difficult to accept--string theory-which says there are 4-5 or more dimensions to our reality or existence (actually, to matter).  Let's not get into
that, but, if even the scientists say there's more than what we see, then the poem in this thread about death being nothing at all (H.S.Holland)
is also a valid way of seeing where the lost loved one is----
      "Why should I be out of mind, because I am out of sight?
       I am waiting for you for an interval, somewhere very near,
       just around the corner."
 I don't think, looking at how we are made, that we float away into some vague cloud.  To be blunt, I think we are dead as a door nail (harsh as
that may seem) or.....we're still there, still real, somewhat more aware of what life can really mean, and ever near to those we loved and those
who have loved us.
  I love that poem, and saw it for the first time in this thread. And it exactly fits my belief that we are not so made, that we transform into
some vagueness, nor even some other journey.  We were given a home.  I don't think it's temporary.  Nor are we roamers drifting through
some mindless, cloudy, metaphysical ocean.  We were made real, with distinctive ways. And so I think it's possible, what that poet said:
  "Death is nothing at all,
   I have only slipped away into the next room
......whatever we were to each other, that we still are."

No quarrel with anyone else's beliefs or wonderings....I'd just remind those who might want to be reminded---don't say good-bye.  The loved
one leaves off the daily ways of life, but stays....nearby.  Because their loves were their homes.  At any rate, that poem is, for me, everything.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2123 on: Feb 17, 2008, 02:36 PM »
I know most of you have no idea who I am, but I've been on this site for some time.  Rarely do I post, except a few poems, but I wanted to say something and this seemed the thread to do it on.  I came here because this little place, and it has the small warm feel to it no matter the size, which i don't even truly know, because it felt safe.  Please forgive my rambling, posting is not an easy thing for me.  You were touched by Jack and Ennis and the love could be felt.   I felt something special here, something true.  I wanted you guys to know that.  I'm not easily touched, nor give freely my trust, but I surely love what I love.  I've said for a long time, Heath Ledger was, is and will be a legend, a good man, part of my heart and always in my world. 

jessi

jessi, your poems almost touch my heart, and I am always moved. No need to apologize for expressing how you feel, and you make perfect sense. Even in your prose, your poetry shines through. Thank you, always, for being a part of us, for allowing me the privilege of seeing the world, seeing Brokeback Mountain through your eyes.

 :ghug: %) Always.
Heath, you are loved, like this, always.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2124 on: Feb 17, 2008, 02:57 PM »
    Lance, You know we disagree, at times, but stay friends.  Here, am not disagreeing, so much as reminding everyone of other ways of thinking
that could be true.  You say, perhaps Heath is off somewhere, in some unknown land, where his gifts are needed. Maybe. I notice that others
would have him floating in the clouds, or out in the stars of the night.  Gone.  Away.  But am sure you know, Lance, of the latest science, so
difficult to accept--string theory-which says there are 4-5 or more dimensions to our reality or existence (actually, to matter).  Let's not get into
that, but, if even the scientists say there's more than what we see, then the poem in this thread about death being nothing at all (H.S.Holland)
is also a valid way of seeing where the lost loved one is----
      "Why should I be out of mind, because I am out of sight?
       I am waiting for you for an interval, somewhere very near,
       just around the corner."
 I don't think, looking at how we are made, that we float away into some vague cloud.  To be blunt, I think we are dead as a door nail (harsh as
that may seem) or.....we're still there, still real, somewhat more aware of what life can really mean, and ever near to those we loved and those who have loved us.
  I love that poem, and saw it for the first time in this thread. And it exactly fits my belief that we are not so made, that we transform into
some vagueness, nor even some other journey.  We were given a home. I don't think it's temporary.  Nor are we roamers drifting through
some mindless, cloudy, metaphysical ocean.  We were made real, with distinctive ways. And so I think it's possible, what that poet said:
  "Death is nothing at all,
   I have only slipped away into the next room
......whatever we were to each other, that we still are."

No quarrel with anyone else's beliefs or wonderings....I'd just remind those who might want to be reminded---don't say good-bye.  The loved one leaves off the daily ways of life, but stays....nearby.  Because their loves were their homes.  At any rate, that poem is, for me, everything.

Tony, I am glad we are always friends, even when we disagree. I believe it is Scott Peck who said, in his book "Waiting for a World to be Born" that a community is where people have learned to disagree gracefully. And I always learn from you when we disagree, so I welcome the opportunity whenever it comes.

Your reminder of the physics of extra-demensions made me even more firm in my conviction that Heath is somewhere, in the unknownland, or as you said, "somewhere very near, just around the corner." It is what the little bird is for LD, and the electronic glitches for carby. We know so little about the universe, that I would not be surprised, if the extra-dimensions are merely infinitesimally small variances away, just around the corner.

And I can agree 100% what I bolded above, that in death, what was real is still there, made a home in the love that we shared, as LALITO_19 once posted, in death we are surrounded by the love and loving memories of our life, when we were alive. But your words are more poignant and inspiring...Because their loves were their homes. And coincidentally, while looking up James Riley's poem, I came across something from Norman Cousin, On Travelling:

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The soul is no traveller: the wise man stays at home with the soul, and when his necessities, his duties, on any occasion call him from his house or into foreign lands, he is at home still and is not gadding abroad from himself, and shall make men sensible by the expression of his countenance that he goes, the missionary of wisdom and virtue, and visits cities and men like a sovereign and not like an interloper or a valet.

So I see death as the soul travelling to an unknownland, the extra-dimension, just around the corner, just over the horizon, but the soul is still at home, carrying with it, the wisdom and virtue, the love and loving memories, that made men like Heath, a sovereign, a prince.

I do NOT see us disagreeing, Tony, just describing from two different perspectives, the same phenomenon that is larger than life, larger than us both. And I am always grateful to learn from you.
Heath, you are loved, like this, always.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2125 on: Feb 17, 2008, 03:06 PM »
  Lance---great reply.  You are talented at healing and bringing people together.  I just....love that poem.  It's like Heath talking to us.  Or
anyone else we have lost.  Besides, different angles of vision....capture more of what is really there. So, no disagreement, just a larger focus
on what could be.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2126 on: Feb 17, 2008, 03:26 PM »
  Lance---great reply.  You are talented at healing and bringing people together.  I just....love that poem.  It's like Heath talking to us.  Or anyone else we have lost.  Besides, different angles of vision....capture more of what is really there. So, no disagreement, just a larger focus
on what could be.

Thanks, Tony, but it takes a village. And as you said, and I bolded above, I am merely restating what many have already said. You are the catalyst. I am merely the water to bring the pieces together.

But, thanks for the complement, all the same.  :)  :^^)
Heath, you are loved, like this, always.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2127 on: Feb 17, 2008, 04:02 PM »
I don't remember if I have put this poem already here but ...I don't remember.. :)

Je respire profondément l'odeur de ta peau, mes yeux caressent ta bouche et déjà, au loin, j'entends le galop des chevaux... Chaque instant qui passe m'appartient un peu plus, chaque instant passé et tu m'appartiens plus. Tu dors encore et je vole ces instants de pleine extase où ton visage pâle et beau n'est plus qu'à moi. J'attends,
j'attends que tu ouvres enfin tes yeux azur comme une pluie d'étoiles dans la peine ombre du jour naissant; à ce moment là ton sourire me parlera et me dira à nouveau combien tu m'aimes encore, et je respirerai profondément.....

I smelt deeply the smell of your skin, I look at your mouth lovingly and now, far away, I can hear the galloping horses...Each passing time is mine a little more, each passed time you are mine more again. You still sleeping and I stole moments of full ecstasy while your pale and handsome face don’t belong to me any more. I’m waiting, I’m waiting, you open your blue eyes at last, like a rainy stars in the shadow of the new day; and then your smile will talk to me and whispering how much you still loving me, and I ‘ll smelt deeply...
As the moon lingers a moment over the bitterroots, before its descent into the invisible, my mind is filled with song. I find I am humming softly, not to the music, but something else, some place else, a place remembered; a field of grass where no one seemed to have been except a deer, and the memory is strengthened by the feeling of you, dancing in my awkward arms.............

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2128 on: Feb 17, 2008, 04:09 PM »
Au loin, la ligne d'horizon apparaît doucement sous les brumes du matin.
Alors que j'aperçois par la petite lucarne de la chambre, le vent agiter les silhouettes d'arbres chétifs,
j'entends ton souffle se mêler à celui du vent...
Ce vent qui t'a mené jusqu'à moi
et qui un jour peut-être t'éloignera à nouveau.
Aujourd'hui je vis pour toi mais je ne vis que par toi

Far, the line of the horizon appears softly under the morning mist.
Then I notice the small skylight of the bedroom, le wind ruffles the silhouettes of the stunted trees.
I hear your breath mix with the wind, this wind that has brought you to me
and which will take you away one day
today I live for you, and I only live for you.
As the moon lingers a moment over the bitterroots, before its descent into the invisible, my mind is filled with song. I find I am humming softly, not to the music, but something else, some place else, a place remembered; a field of grass where no one seemed to have been except a deer, and the memory is strengthened by the feeling of you, dancing in my awkward arms.............

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2129 on: Feb 17, 2008, 04:10 PM »
I don't remember if I have put this poem already here but ...I don't remember.. :)

Je respire profondément l'odeur de ta peau, mes yeux caressent ta bouche et déjà, au loin, j'entends le galop des chevaux... Chaque instant qui passe m'appartient un peu plus, chaque instant passé et tu m'appartiens plus. Tu dors encore et je vole ces instants de pleine extase où ton visage pâle et beau n'est plus qu'à moi. J'attends,
j'attends que tu ouvres enfin tes yeux azur comme une pluie d'étoiles dans la peine ombre du jour naissant; à ce moment là ton sourire me parlera et me dira à nouveau combien tu m'aimes encore, et je respirerai profondément.....

I smelt deeply the smell of your skin, I look at your mouth lovingly and now, far away, I can hear the galloping horses...Each passing time is mine a little more, each passed time you are mine more again. You still sleeping and I stole moments of full ecstasy while your pale and handsome face don’t belong to me any more. I’m waiting, I’m waiting, you open your blue eyes at last, like a rainy stars in the shadow of the new day; and then your smile will talk to me and whispering how much you still loving me, and I ‘ll smelt deeply...

That's so beautiful :\'(
Nuke the EFF on!!